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(Message started by: CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:15am)
Title: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:15am
 If you are in excruciating pain all of the time, and nothing you are taking is helping, and you are in and out of the ER while your family suffers along with you, and you have heard a number of people successfully end their pain by dosing in small quantities with mushrooms, and you do not have a history of psychosis, yet you choose not to employ this therapy because it is "illegal", then, so be it.

There is no moral ambiguity about it. The only thing reprehensible about shroom therapy for prophylaxis of CH is someone who would rather see you suffer unspeakable pain than see you do something illegal.  
Withholding this therapy from someone who is getting no relief from conventional therapies does not make sense to me. Refusing this therapy is your right, but a decision I cannot comprehend. This is not the opinion of some off the wall extremist, this is the result of examining a topic with logic and reason.

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Ride_the_Lightning on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:21am
;D ;D :D ;D ;D
good post
excellent
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Elaine on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:42am
I been called worst....would reather hurt then spend any time in jail!!! ILLEGAL thats the key word for me!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by jminmilwaukee on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:43am
Wow! A little harsh wouldn't you say?

If someone is not comfortable with this "unconventional" treatment, we must respect that. After all, some people have the nerves removed from thier face and find relief. Although this is legal and has a good chance of offering relief, I would never go to such extreems. To some, breaking the law is just as extreem.

Having said that, there are countries you can visit that have shrooms served in various forms and can be consumed while standing in front of the local police.

If the law is really the problem, go somewhere where it is not. If this treatment just plain scares you, then by no means should you do it.

Really now, dumb and ass are not very nice. If it works for you, more power to yoou (worked for me). No reason to slam people.

Thank you and have a nice day  8)

jmin
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Ride_the_Lightning on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:53am
curtis i understand your post and am behind what you say...illegal? im sure everyone is practising somehitng illegal without even knowing it....health above all people...above ALL...my personal health is more important than any law set down by some person i have never met , who knows nothing about what is better for me or not...so i think in this situation, where ones life is almost totaly ruined by unbearbvle pain in the face and head, doing something illegal is in order...NO ONE ASKED YOUR OPINION WHEN THEY DECIDED TO MAKEMUSHROOMS ILLEGAL, THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND DECIDED THAT MUSHROOMS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL, EVEN THOUGH THEY GROW WILD, PUT ON THIS EARTH BY GOD, I DONT THINK ANYT GOVERNMENT OR LAW INSTITUTION CAN STOP YOU FROM rELIEVING YOURSELF OF WHAT PEOPLE CALL THE WORST PAIN ANYONE CAN GO THROUGH....curtis...GRRRREAT POST
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:58am
The doctors and insurance companies have been so abysmally irresponsible in this case that some of us have little choice but to take charge of our own conditions and resort to our own means.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by cathy on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:04am

on 07/03/03 at 07:15:17, CJohnson wrote:
 This is not the opinion of some off the wall extremist, this is the result of examining a topic with logic and reason.


Hi Curtis, interesting post... ::)  now, if you wouldn't mind just letting me know which topic you are referring to then that'd be great, cos i'd really like to take a peek myself , and then, i'll be able to make a logical and reasonable decision as to whether or not I agree with you... :-/  if you wouldn't mind being a poppet and doing that.....thanks that'd be great. :)

Well hell a girl wouldn't wannabe accused of being an extremist now would she... ;D

Cathy
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Ride_the_Lightning on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:06am
I thik he means the whole shroom topic in general
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by cathy on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:17am

:o...what the whole thing... :-/ okay im off to read it, i'll be back with my decision hopefully before the last person... ;D

Cathy
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:21am
Illegal:
1. Mailing imitrex to a fellow sufferer.
2. Jaywalking. Would you jaywalk to save someone from getting hit by a car?
3. Speeding.

I personally have never employed the shroom therapy, but, that said, I would if I had exhausted conventional means and continued to suffer screaming pain. Its one thing to use illegal substances for recreational purposes, or to commit a crime for personal gain, its another thing altogether to take a sub-recreational dose or two of shrooms for a chance of a sustained pain-free period.
I agree that someone who isn't psycologically stable should not try the shrooms, but to say that you won't try it because you aren't "comfortable" or because its illegal seems illogical. Should someone who is uncomfortable with needles not have their child vaccinated? To me its a matter of weighing the positive against the negative.
Please understand that I'm not saying everyone with CH should immediately start employing shroom therapy, but if nothing is working, why wouldn't you? Extreme pain every day is about the worst thing humans can experience. How can shroom therapy be worse than that!?
Who gains from your suffering? What purpose does it serve?

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Elaine on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:42am
I don't believe in it, I don't believe it works and I am not going to try it ! Don't try to force it down my throat.

I believe in God but I don't post your going to hell if you don't.

Its like proventive meds for cluster headaches. There is NO such thing!! A preventive med should stop you from having clusters. I have not found one med that has stoped them. I do believe in abortive, I can stop one when it comes on.

If it works for you fine but why call people names if they don't want to do it.

Complain if you have to live with me and put up with it, but don't complain if you don't and you don't !!!

Have a wonderful day!
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:46am
 Cathy, Ride is correct. I wasn't pointing to a specific post, but to the subject of employing shrooms for the prophylaxis of otherwise untreatable CH.
There are a number of extreme measures that can be taken for prophylaxis of CH, however, shroom therapy is among the least extreme. There is no cutting of nerves, or surgery of any kind. There is no potential heart failure or massive expense. It is nothing more than a substance whose molecules bind to certain neurotransmitter recepters to "stabalize/alter/enhance" the transmission of certain molecules in your brain. Somehow, in many cases, these puts the circadean modulation of neurotransmitters into a state which does not cause the trigeminal nerve to be aggravated in a way that results in sustained daily screaming pain.
The thought of myself or others suffering sustained daily screaming pain frightens me more than doing something illegal or being uncomfortable. If you would rather suffer  sustained daily screaming pain than try shroom therapy, then so be it. If you would prefer that I suffer sustained daily screaming pain than allow me to try shroom therapy then we will be very much at odds.

PFDANs
-Curtis

I will have a nice day because I am not suffering from sustained daily screaming pain.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Bob P on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:51am

Quote:
Refusing this therapy makes you a D-U-M-B-A-S-S.


Kind of judgemental, don't ya think.  To each his own.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Ride_the_Lightning on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:58am

, any human that choses suffering extreme pain over a possiblke( and proven in lots of cases) remedy, then well...curtis is right
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by TomM on Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:01am

on 07/03/03 at 08:46:36, CJohnson wrote:
The thought of myself or others suffering sustained daily screaming pain frightens me more than doing something illegal or being uncomfortable. If you would rather suffer  sustained daily screaming pain than try shroom therapy, then you are a D-U-M-B-A-S-S. If you would prefer that I suffer sustained daily screaming pain than allow me to try shroom therapy then you are an A-S-S-H-O-L-E.
Curtis--I enjoy your posts and insight on many topics, but telling some one they are an not a very nice person or Dumbass because they choose not to do something is a tad extreme.
My Humble Opinion.
TomM
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:11am
I have removed the filth and flarn from my posts. I re-read them and you are correct, Bob, it was judgemental. I was only trying to present an idea with vehemence, not judge anyone. A question of ethics really. Similar to the following:

Would you kill someone who was trying to kill someone you love, and killing them was the only way to prevent it?

Would you kill baby -some serial killer- to prevent the atrocities?

I am in no position to pass judgement of any kind on anyone. Each person has their own code of ethics which they must follow. It can be said that persons who follow their code of ethics despite the harshest set-backs and suffering (a'la Job) are the greatest among us. I just have a hard time understanding what is gained by not employing shroom therapy for a chance to end sustained daily screaming pain.

Apologies to those I've offended. Thanks Bob for helping me put my rant in perspective.

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:13am
A lot of religious people in this country think the non-religious ones ARE going to hell.   These are many of the people that our politicians have to coddle in order to get elected.  They really don't care if we suffer.  I'm getting smacked in the head as I try to write this....pause
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Ride_the_Lightning on Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:27am
i hope you mean a religious person is giving you slaps to the head rather than you having a cluster attack....
if its the latter hang in their...if its the first thing then just try and dodge to avoid the slaps, nothing ismore irritating when you type
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by jminmilwaukee on Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:53am
Hello....am i invisable here!?!

If your GOD tells you "Thou shalt not consume shrooms as thou may become sillyith!" Than do not do it!

If you are unemployable, Chronic, watching your family fall apart or just plain miserable and a law abiding citizen the POOL your EFFEN Med Money and fly, walk, run or swim to Amsterdam or the British Virgin Islands and get yourself some relief!!!!!!

If you "don't believe" it works and have never tried it then keep straining your heart, family and friends. Soke up that sympathy knowing that what other are finding as the most PROMISING possible CURE with the least amount of DANGER and only minor / temp side affects just plain ain't gonna help you.

MY GOAL is not to FORCE FEED anyone, just to educate and REITERATE that it can be done WITHOUT BREAKING LAWS for most likely LESS THAN YOU SPEND now on your endless supply of crutch meds.

I know as I was on serious crutches for many years until I found my cure.

With any luck at all and no offence to anyone, I hope this board becomes a very LONELY place as the pioneers of shroom treament (actually second gen as pink has gone before us all) get this thing down to a science.

Do not fret naysayers and those who have not tried and do not believe, we will never forget your pain and will still drop by from time to time to feel bad for and comfort you.

Peace Out! 8)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Bob P on Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:53am
CJ,
No prob.  I too think everyone should consider giving it a try.  I tried it.  4 doses.  Didn't even slow my attacks but I tried it and I'd consider trying it again next go round.  Been looking at my 1 1/2 year old spore print and wondering if it would germinate now.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:10am
Jmin, salient points, all. How many ER visits equals a plane ticket to such a place. As a matter of fact, how can you put a price on a chance to be pain-free? That solves the problem of illegality, which, if I was suffering from sustained daily screaming pain, would be irrelavent, leaving only the issue of personal ethics.  I would like to know what reason, besides illegality, someone would someone have for not trying it? Fear? Fear of what? The unknown?

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Mark C on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:28am
Hmmmm.....seems to me it's a personal decision. There are man's laws....and there are God's laws. I believe one trumps the other.  I would do shrooms in jail to find relief. I have been in jail and I have had CH...CH is worse. At least we are thinking about these things...good topic.

PFDAN's
Mark
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Elaine on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:31am
There is a lot to fear!
http://www.freevibe.com/headsup/hallucinogens.shtml#whatis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:36am
That information was intended for teenagers not adults with brain diseases and it is meant to SCARE, not educate.

nobody here is recommending them for recreational use.

"Brought to you by the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign"

And this group does not give one hoot if we are in pain.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:37am
Agree with you there, it is a personal decision. The question is, what is the reasoning behind a personal decision not to, if legality is not a factor? What is driving the decision? What is gained, or maintained, or not lost?

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by NotH20 on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:10am
Kudo's to Curtis - I appreciate someone who posts and comes back to say they're sorry for possibly hurting a fellow ch'ers feeling......you get one CH MERIT from me  ;)

As I sit with my Imitrex, Maxalt, O2 and Zomig ready to fight off the Beast - I know that these treatments presently work for me.  I'm extremely lucky to have that "knowing" feeling.  Having said that - I presently have no need to try shrooms and don't have a good feeling about that type treatment personally - I guess I'm just a big ole chicken <BAWK> <BAWK>.....

If the situation were different and I didn't have abortives that worked for me - my thought process may be a bit different.  Hopefully I'll never have to cross that bridge.

Just my 2 cents worth,
Mia
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:14am
Curtis is a stellar CHer.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:19am

on 07/03/03 at 11:10:31, NotH20 wrote:
you get one CH MERIT from me  ;)


How many merits do I need to get another OUCH mug? :)


on 07/03/03 at 11:10:31, NotH20 wrote:
I presently have no need to try shrooms and don't have a good feeling about that type treatment personally - I guess I'm just a big ole chicken <BAWK> <BAWK>.....


Fair enough. What is it that gives you the bad feeling? What are you afraid of? Losing your sanity? Going to jail? Waking up in Tijuana with no pants?

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by cathy on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:32am

on 07/03/03 at 08:46:36, CJohnson wrote:
 Cathy, Ride is correct. I wasn't pointing to a specific post, but to the subject of employing shrooms for the prophylaxis of otherwise untreatable CH.

If you would prefer that I suffer sustained daily screaming pain than allow me to try shroom therapy then we will be very much at odds.


Curtis...when or where did I state that I would prefer you to suffer sustained daily screaming pain....absolutely nowhere....so if that is what you thought I meant then I apologise reluctantly...I have read the various posts and I personally feel that YES if Wes needed pain relief I would encourage him to try it....illegal or not....it is itself a crime that anyone has to suffer the way you guys do!!

Hoping we now will NOT be very much at odds.

Cathy  :)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:43am
Doh! I should be more careful. You never said anything like that. I didn't mean to direct that second part  toward you. I meant that any person who would rather I suffer that kind of pain than take shrooms would be at odds with me. I did not mean that you specifically wished it. It is I who should apologize. My poor phrasing is to blame. I think we feel about the same on the topic. It is a worse crime IMHO to suffer CH than to take shrooms. We are not at odds.

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by cathy on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:47am
;D...TY

Cathy
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Jackie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 12:01pm

on 07/03/03 at 10:36:01, vig wrote:
That information was intended for teenagers not adults with brain diseases and it is meant to SCARE, not educate.

.


So these side effects don't happen to adults with brain diesases ..... only teenagers ???

For the record....I don't care who does or does not choose shroom therapy.  It's up to the individual.  I would dose Blake with ground up dog turds if it would help...... ;D

Jacks 8)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 12:16pm
I don't believe they listed any side effects for mushrooms specifically, did they?  They lumped them all together for convenience including calling mushrooms poison.  I believe that's a value judgment and not a statement of fact.

They also say,

"People on acid or mushrooms start to believe they can fly, or drive 1000 miles an hour, or whatever."

Do they really now.?... or is this undocumented anecdotal evidence meant to scare children away from drugs.

Our debate on medicine has nothing to do with children and recreational drugs.  And if we're looking to debate the high moral ground, then let's hear the alcoholics chime in.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Live4Fun on Jul 3rd, 2003, 12:32pm
Chime!  ;D
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Jackie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 12:39pm

on 07/03/03 at 12:16:37, vig wrote:
"People on acid or mushrooms start to believe they can fly, or drive 1000 miles an hour, or whatever."

Do they really now.?... or is this undocumented anecdotal evidence meant to scare children away from drugs


Yep, Vig....you're probably right.  I'm sure no reaction, response or secondary effect like they describe has every happened. ::) They just made all that up to scare kids...not an ounce of truth in any of it ::)...kinda like if you lie your nose will grow... or if you jerk off to much you'll go blind.... ;D

Jacks 8)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:03pm
find one real case and we'll discuss it.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by jminmilwaukee on Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:09pm
Reefer madness!!!!

I knew a Clusterhead who took his own life and he was completely drug free. Go figure.

Again, if it freaks you out or you just think it's wrong than we RESPECT that. To each their own.

Gotta go now, having a flashback----whoa...the colors  :P
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by NotH20 on Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:36pm
Jacks - I laughed my @$$ off at your dog turd comment - thank you for adding a little humor to the last couple hours of my work week   ;D

Curtis, I believe you need at least another dozen merits to get a mug - keep on truckin'.....

Why am I a chicken - I guess it's for the actual "trip" - I've never been one to use recreational drugs or drink massive amounts of alcohol - I don't like something else being in control of my body or me being that much out of control.  Just a personal feeling - I like feeling my feet grounded.   ;)

Mia
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Jackie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:43pm
For the record.....I do NOT have any moral issues either for or against shroom therapy.  It's an individual choice.  I don't think we should/would/do judge anyone who tries for relief with shooms.   However... hard core addictive dope is another issue.  The fact remains that it is illegal but so are lots of  things that people do everyday. ::)....again, their choice.

I don't see the correlation between shroom therapy and alcoholism... ::)

Jacks 8)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:55pm
It's not a choice in this country.  Most attempts to even legitamately research this for medical purposes have been shut down.

I don't think Hard Core Addictive Dope ever came up in the conversation.  I'm not for it either,and again we are slipping into the 'recreational' arena.  Nobody here is advocating recreational drugs.

Alcohol is known to be harmful and addictive and kills way more people and yet it's legal and we allow research into it to see if red wine may limit heart disease, for example.

In fact, we have many drinkers here that do way more harm to their bodies by drinking heavily than a mushroom could ever do and it's all recreational.  (I'm not against that either, for the record)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Jackie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:56pm

on 07/03/03 at 13:36:20, NotH20 wrote:
Jacks - I laughed my @$$ off at your dog turd comment - thank you for adding a little humor to the last couple hours of my work week   ;D


My pleasure Mia.... ;)

Actually, dog turds might be worth a try.  If mushrooms that grow in cow shit work why wouldn't dog turds.  ::) I think I'll have Blake smoke one......wonder if they're hard to light.... ;D

Jacks 8)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by vig on Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:01pm
Mr. Hankey...Time to come out and play.

enough seriousness, time to start the holiday.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by jonny on Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:07pm

on 07/03/03 at 13:55:32, vig wrote:
Alcohol is known to be harmful and addictive and kills way more people and yet it's legal and we allow research into it to see if red wine may limit heart disease


WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

They never told me that shit at the bar OR the liquor store.

Fuck it....beer tender!, crack me another one ;D


"BURP!!!"

..............................jonny :D
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by TomM on Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:29pm
Am I afraid of Shrooms? You bet! I did them once in college and freaked out. Did not like the high. Also, I work in a pretty stuffy environment in Wash. DC and fear, yes fear, what would happen if HR found out I was doing shrooms for my CH's. Let's face it, it's not like having a beer after work, which I know the HR department does not care about.
But if I'm in cycle, I will need to take them during the day, right? AM I missing something?
I did talk to my boss last cycle about doing shrooms for my CH's and she understands but was very hesitant. During my last cycle I was desparate for relief and almost did it but decided against after my talk to my boss. She understands my CH's (she's a migrainer) but considereing the white collar stiff shirts in my office, thought it be best if I found another method.
My biggest fear is fear of the unknown when doing them.
What am I missing?
TomM
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:55pm
1. Fear of unknown vs. fear of sustained daily screaming pain.
2. What they don't know can't hurt them - or you.
3. 3 hour bad trip vs. sustained daily screaming pain
4. If you get relief from standard "accepted" methods, then there is no need for shroom therapy. However...
5. If you work in D.C. and occasional sub-recreational shroom therapy for prophylaxis of CH is your biggest vice, then you are a saint. :)

PFDANs
-Curtis
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by catlind on Jul 3rd, 2003, 3:29pm
Fear.  Plain and simple.  

I would love to try the shroom therapy, as imitrex has caused me some serious heart issues and is a NO option for me.

Why I don't:

I am a Canadian citizen that has moved to the US and is in the process of gaining my US citizenship.  I have 2 children that were born in Canada and living in the US awaiting citizenship along with me.  I have a 3rd child that was born in the US and does not have Canadian citizenship yet.  I have a husband who is in service with the US military.

Okay, worst case scenario, I decide to farm and try shroom therapy.  I get busted, I don't just go to jail, I get deported, along with only TWO of my children, while my 3rd child stays in the US and my husband gets busted at work because if I was farming shrooms he had to have knowledge of it and ends up getting kicked out of the service on a dishonorable discharge.  

So now I'm in jail, 2 of my children are living apart from the rest of their family, and my husband has no job.  

That's a pretty good dose of fear to stop me hehe.

None of the above means that I do not condone it's use.  In fact I will be the first in line for clinical trials and research trials WHEN it gets that far.  

Just wanted to point out that there are some very good reasons why, even if nothing else worked, shroom therapy could be a bad idea.

Cat
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by BuddyH on Jul 3rd, 2003, 3:59pm
I just had to jump in on this. Johnnie (Elaine) was defending her right to choose, just as you all are defending your right to choose. I don’t think I have ever read a post that Johnnie tried to talk someone out of taking mushrooms in.

For the record, Johnnie was given some and for months she had them in the freezer. Johnnie debated and read up on it and talked to her Doctor about it. Johnnie watched all the threads about it. She talked to people who tried it. We talked about it a lot. Her decision was NOT to do it, as her supporter I felt she made the right decision FOR HER! I would have backed her either way she went. As a supporter, I want to see Johnnie with no pain, but I would never force her to do anything she felt was not right for her. I like Jackie would give her anything I thought would help, but only if she agrees with it. I know and have watched her, she does everything in her power to keep her pain from affecting us, and she does not let it stop her from living. When the time comes that she gives up and stops helping herself then and only then would I interfere.

Johnnie is the one in Pain; she is the one that had to deal with it. I hurt watching her, but Johnnie has taken her health issues in her own hands and she was determined not to let it take over her life. There was a time that she was treated with painkillers that almost destroyed her.  Seeing her unable to help herself with all those drugs in her was more than I could stand. When she finally said enough and ended the painkillers I rejoiced. Yes her pain was still there, but so was her mind.

Johnnie answered the post by Curtis and so has Tom. Vig and Curtis have the same respect for them they have for you. Why don’t you guys give them a break? You don’t see Tom or her beating you guys up because you do believe in shrooms. Ask a question let people answer don’t beat them up for their answers.





Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Mark C on Jul 3rd, 2003, 4:22pm
;D

Buddy...I like you!
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Charlie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 4:46pm
If nothing else works, and you don't have some other malady that would be affected, (I do...easy for me) it makes sense to me. If it does work, maybe it’s worth finding a place not populated by legislators who pretend to care about our well being by making anything but alcohol illegal.

It would be hard for me not to give it a shot, but no one is forcing you or is an idiot for not doing so. In any case,  Don't get caught.

Everyone play nice

Charlie
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by iJun G4 on Jul 4th, 2003, 3:39am
Cat,

I'm in a similar position as you.  I'm a U.S. Permanent Resident--wife and kids who are American.  If I get a felony, I could possibly lose my Permanent Resident status and be deported.  

I think it's ludicrous that shrooms are illegal.  But as long as they are, there is no way in hell I will risk having a life apart from my wife and kids, even if it means that I have to live with CH and fight this damn beast using other methods.

It's not about whether shrooms work/don't work or are right/wrong for me; I just can't afford to take the risk of the legal consequences, because my family means more to me than my CH.  

Jun
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Tim_w on Jul 4th, 2003, 8:29pm
I drive truck so I have a Commercial Drivers License,
so I have radom drug testing, ( any time, any Place)
So if I come up hot they pull my licences on the spot!!
So no License no job no money!!
Now is it stupid for me not to do shrooms?
I think not!!!
                                                 Tim_w
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jul 5th, 2003, 1:28pm

Quote:
I been called worst....would reather hurt then spend any time in jail!!! ILLEGAL thats the key word for me!!!


Seems Elaine does not want to try them because she is frightened, it's because they are illegal. I took CJ's post as anyone who does not want to try some relief just because it is illegal, is a dumbass. That's not judgmental. That's an opinion stated by CJ and if the shoe fits, wear it.
 Reading through this thread, I can tell some have no clue about shrooms and some fear the side affects. Why don't some of you compare the side effects of shrooms with the side effects of the meds you are currently taking. Don't get me wrong, I don't care if anyone takes shrooms or not, but it isn't right to scare people away from something that may bring relief, just because they are "illegal" or because of frightfull bedtime stories of jumping from bulidings and little green men. That's the point of this I assume. Also, I have no idea what Gods "laws" have to do with any of this.
 I would not even know where to get shrooms if I wanted them. Last time I took shrooms was about ten years ago in California. If I remember correctly, I did not think I could fly. ::)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by jonny on Jul 5th, 2003, 1:43pm

on 07/05/03 at 13:28:13, Locomotive_Skull wrote:
I took CJ's post as anyone who does not want to try some relief just because it is illegal, is a dumbass. That's not judgmental. That's an opinion stated by CJ and if the shoe fits, wear it.


I stand on me head naked wearing a leather ball mask to rid my CH, if you dont try this cause you dont want to then your a fucking dickhead.....its an opinion, if the shoe fits wear it.

...................................jonny ;D
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jul 5th, 2003, 1:54pm
Shoe don't fit this foot brother.  ::)
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by FrankF on Jul 5th, 2003, 1:55pm

on 07/04/03 at 20:29:28, Tim_w wrote:
I drive truck so I have a Commercial Drivers License,
so I have radom drug testing, ( any time, any Place)
So if I come up hot they pull my licences on the spot!!
So no License no job no money!!
Now is it stupid for me not to do shrooms?
I think not!!!
                                                 Tim_w

Same here. Get caught doing anything illegal (more than a misdemeanor) = no government security clearance and no job.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by BobG on Jul 5th, 2003, 2:14pm
First, I do not care one way or the other if someone uses mushrooms. I don’t care about their reason for using it and I do not care about their reason for not using it.

Second, I have never used mushrooms.

Third, if I ever do use mushrooms I WILL NOT tell anyone, including this board. It is NO ONE ELSE’S business. All the information necessary to try the mushroom treatment is right here on this web site. Do what you want with it.


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I have no idea what Gods "laws" have to do with any of this.  

The word morality comes to mind.

The sufferers and supporters of the board are all highly intelligent and not Dumbass’ for making a personal choice not to be forced into something they do not want nor need.

I don’t think any are “scared” to use mushrooms.

What ARE they scared of?
Losing their job.
Breakup of their family.
Being deported.
Going to jail.
Scared there is a narc here trying to bait someone into an illegal act.

The list could go on and on.

And lastly, Thanks Buddy for your post.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jul 5th, 2003, 6:58pm


Quote:
The word morality comes to mind.


'Fraid I still have no idea what that has to do with shrooms.


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The sufferers and supporters of the board are all highly intelligent and not Dumbass’ for making a personal choice not to be forced into something they do not want nor need.


I read through this entire thread, and never once noticed anyone being forced into anything.


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I don’t think any are “scared” to use mushrooms.


Err....=
Quote:
Posted by: Elaine Posted on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:31am
There is a lot to fear!
http://www.freevibe.com/headsup/hallucinogens.shtml#whatis



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Posted by: NotH20 Posted on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 1:36pm
Why am I a chicken - I guess it's for the actual "trip" - I've never been one to use recreational drugs or drink massive amounts of alcohol - I don't like something else being in control of my body or me being that much out of control.  Just a personal feeling - I like feeling my feet grounded.



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Posted by: TomM Posted on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:29pm
Am I afraid of Shrooms? You bet! I did them once in college and freaked out. Did not like the high




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Scared there is a narc here trying to bait someone into an illegal act.
=
Baahahaha! Guess mailing someone Imitrex is O.K., but some fed with way to much time on his hands is going to arrest someone for taking shrooms.

I realize some of you may be paranoid, and some of you are willing to go to any extreme known to mankind to find relief. Just because some of you "moral" souls don't believe in this or that, because of whatever reason, does not rule out said treatment for another. That's all I am saying. I have not called anyone a dumbass, and do not intend to. Elaine called herself a dumbass by a "it must be me he is talking about" reply to his post. Hence my "if the shoe fits, wear it" comment.

 I don't take drugs, and really don't care if YOU do. If YOU suffer from the same affliction I have, than I feel for you. I support anyone who is suffering from an addiction to narcotics because of this pain as well. I will not discriminate agianst someone who drinks heavily, takes drugs or puts their faith in the "pie in the sky" for some relief. I believe there are extremes, and to a certian point with anything, too much will harm you and you may be in need of some outside assistance regarding your addictions. Sorry for sounding mean or anything. That is not my intention. :-/
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by kim on Jul 5th, 2003, 10:59pm
Huh?  I don't get it
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 5th, 2003, 11:49pm
What the fuck is wrong with this thread??  If someone chooses not to use shrooms, no matter what the reason may be, who are you to say it's the wrong decision?  Just because you have decided that shrooms are good, and there's nothing to fear?  That is bullshit... I did a shit load of researching on shrooms last year.  Read all the info I could find here, and must've visited a dozen or more shrooms sites promoting their use from recreational to medicinal.  I discussed the pros and cons with my wife, and we both determined it may not be a good idea.  She had her reasons for not liking the idea, but I had my own.  

You want to know my reason?  It wasn't a moral issue for me... It wasn't a legal issue for me... It was simply this... Most every site I visited warned about one very specific problem with shroom use in even the smallest of doses... The possibility of aggrivating or enhancing an existing mental disorder, or surfacing an undiagnosed/unknown existing disorder.  How many CH'ers suffer from depression?  How many know for sure it's just a reaction to CH?  How many know 100% that they do not have an existing undiagnosed mental illness?  I did not like the thought of possibly aggrivating something that has been nearly as destructive as CH in my life... So guess what... I chose no.

Why are you so damn determined to force the issue here?  What's in it for you to try to make people feel dumb or guilty for not trying it.  We all have our reasons for the choices we make, and I find your methods of trying to change their choices to be rather ignorant and disrespectful.  Why don't you put your energies into providing constructive information on shroom use, rather than irresponsible attacks against those who choose to say no?  If saying no to shrooms makes me a dumbass then so be it... I don't give a damn what you think of me, if you want to generalize things in such a distructive way.

Drk^Angel
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by tommyD on Jul 6th, 2003, 7:47am
Yes. there sure is something wrong with this thread. People are actually in agreement on most of the issues raised, but they are still arguing past each other.

But Dumbass that I am, I jump in anyway.

Drk Angel  - you're right...the potential for long-term mental problems is the big reason for not doing shrooms. And it is hard to predict. But understand, it is extraordinarily rare to suffer mental problems after a dose or two of indole-ring hallucinogen.  Most folks who get into trouble with this (and my best friend from childhood is one) get tangled up only after several powerful trips. My friend was tripping weekly for months, and he was tripping hard and tripping by himself, before he became convinced the government was using his TV set to spy on him.

But it is the big risk, and everyone has to decide for themselves if they think they can handle it, and if it's worth it.

The risk of arrest is also there. But the reality is, most of us here are middle-class middle-aged white folks, and with care and discretion, arrest for possession of shrooms is highly unlikely. Some folks are subject to drug-testing, and this increases the risk. But not by much. Indole-ring hallucinogens are hard to detect with blood or urine tests, and such tests are expensive. Most routine screenings do not include tests for LSD or shooms. But again, the risk is there, and each must decide based on individual circumstances.

Check the laws in your state/province. In most cases, possession of a small amount is a misdemeanor or less. If you are distributing illegal drugs, that's a whole 'nother story. Don't ask me to send you any shrooms. I will not.  And besides, I don't have any.  :)

Just so no one is confusing "legal" with "moral."

I think everyone here respects each other, CJ has apologized and removed his "dumbass" comments, no one is trying to force decisions on another.

May all be free of pain...

-tommyD
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by BobG on Jul 6th, 2003, 11:26am
Loco Skull

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I read through this entire thread, and never once noticed anyone being forced into anything.

Did you read the title of this string? When a mushroom freak comes here, talks down to everyone as if we are all children and titles us as Dumbass' because we have reason for NOT using his methods I take as 'force'. He is using 'force by saying it MUST BE HIS WAY. NO ONE HAS ANY SAY IN THE MATTER BECAUSE WE ALL ALL SCARED DUMBASS' AND HE IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN SAVE US FROM OURSELVES.
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by oringkid on Jul 6th, 2003, 1:07pm
I am the Dumbass.

I have the ONLY TRULY DUMBASS reason for NOT doing the shrooms...

I am scared shitless of vomiting.

I think we can all agree that that is a really dumbass reason for not trying them.

But, it's MY reason and I will stick to it until someone comes up with a guaranteed way for me to avoid this particular side effect.  And it doesn't matter what any one says.  And noone can make me feel bad or stupid for feeling this way.  They can try, but it won't do any good  ;D.  And I won't hold it against them for trying.  Doesn't bother me a bit.

So, lemme know when they remedy that part of it and I will try it.  And yes, I do know that it doesn't happen to everyone.... but I ain't takin' that chance! ;D

In conclusion.  Everyone is in charge of their own beliefs and bodies.  You can suggest any thing you like to me...but ultimately it is my decision!  I can't be forced by words... I'm surprised anyone else here thinks anyone can be!

I completely respect all of your opinions on this subject.

Love,
The One and Only True Dumbass ;D :-*
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by NotH20 on Jul 7th, 2003, 3:48pm
Jonny - I hear you are holding a "show and tell" of sorts during your next ch!   ;)  

Mia
Title: Re: Dumbass
Post by cootie on Jul 7th, 2003, 4:19pm
I did sum shrooms many years ago....back in the late 70's I believe. Dam.....I think dog shit would taste better.....OMG were they disgusting.......blahhhhh ! I think they are supposidly more along the line of acid type drugs.......they made me feel AWEFUL !! A person mite want ta be careful of how much they eat at first if that's the route they choose ta try. Then hope ya don't get busted and go to jail.....there's pro's and con's in everything I guess. Gettin busted would be a big worry and all that grief.....sumone that sells em gets busted then snithces on you since it would probly be consider'd a more serious offense being ina halucinagenic drug catagory. Pick yer poison Pam


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