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(Message started by: Georgia on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:09pm)

Title: All Ch'ers Please Reply
Post by Georgia on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:09pm

For the sake of research:

Three simple questions:

1) Is your ring finger longer than your index finger?

2) Is your 2nd toe longer than your big toe?

3) Chronic or episodic?

(For me: yes to 1 + 2, chronic)

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Post by BruceD on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:15pm

Yes, Yes, Episodic

BruceD

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Post by Donna on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:17pm

yes, yes and was episodic.

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Post by Drk^Angel on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:19pm

Yes and no (Right hand is yes, and left hand is no), no (same length), Episodic.

PFDAN........................................ Drk^Angel

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Post by Mark C on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:20pm

Yes

No

ECH

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Post by stevegeebe on Jun 24^th, 2003, 6:46pm

Yes
Yes
ECH

Steve G

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Post by Georgia on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:06pm

Oh - and if your screen name isnt clear...please tell me your gender as well.

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Post by Not4Hire on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:07pm

1--...ok ....define ring finger...

left dorsal arm or ventral appendage?

2--... 2nd toe on which *rank* of motile ambulatory digits?

22nd 0r 23rd?
(this is IMPORTANT to specify, due to the circularity of heterogenous hyperboles....no?)

2--...sidereal or hyper-phasic? re: chronic or episodic..doh!

given this specificity....I *may* respond.... or not....

;)

(can *Sonny's* respond to this survey?)

double ;) ;)

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Post by jonny on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:16pm

Once I know which toe is the captain of the toes I will be able to answer, com'on, theres ten toes....one has to be the captain.

...................................jonny

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Post by 9erfan on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:20pm

OK, this is a weird survey.... :o

yes, yes, chronic.....

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Post by suzy617 on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:22pm

1. No
2. No
3. ECH

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Post by Big_Dan on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:25pm

... yes, yes, and episodic...

... recent research shows that those with longer ring fingers than pointer fingers have higher testosterone levels... i.e., the longer the ring finger, the higher level of testosterone...

-Big Dan

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Post by Donna on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:31pm

Luv it Luv it Luv it...............

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Post by Roxy on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:45pm

1. yes

2. no

3. chronic

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Post by kissmyglass on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:51pm

yes
yes
chronic

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Post by FrankF on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:51pm

No, no, episodic.

Had to take my shoes and socks off to answer this one.

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Post by ijunG4 on Jun 24^th, 2003, 8:14pm

Yes
Yes
Episodic

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Post by catlind on Jun 24^th, 2003, 8:14pm

Yes
Same length
Episodic

Cat

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Post by Margi on Jun 24^th, 2003, 8:41pm

I just checked.
Mike is:
yes
yes
episodic.

I think this is the most definitive survey I've ever seen here. SO exciting!! I think Mrs. Stiltskin may have stumbled onto something here.

you buncha mutants. :)

p.s. I'm gonna add one more into the mix here... kinda gross, but... ingrown toenails anyone? (I think that's going to be heavily yes from the few I've asked this question of in the past.)

p.p.s. oh, and Mike's a boy. I checked that, too.

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Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jun 24^th, 2003, 8:42pm

Yes
No
Chronic

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Post by don on Jun 24^th, 2003, 8:57pm

1. WTF ?
2. WTF ?
3. episodic

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Post by Live4Fun on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:36pm

Yes, No, Episodic... :)

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Post by ShariRae on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:37pm

no
yes
episodic

Shari

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Post by JDH on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:40pm

1. yes
2. yes
3. episodic

Jim

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Post by Georgia on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:44pm

on 06/24/03 at 21:15:11, don wrote:

A simple yes or no will do it.

Ditto.

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Post by don on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:46pm

LMAO

Nailed me there!

yes
no

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Post by andy on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:58pm

1) yes 2) same size 3) episodic ...............andy

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Post by paul_b on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:23pm

Much too personal: epis!

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Post by Mastifflvr28 on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:27pm

yes
no...piggies are short and fat...like me
episodic
FEMALE,
Mast

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Post by BlackDog on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:28pm

1 Yes

2 No

3 Episodic

Darren :)

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Post by Callico_Kid on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:31pm

Yes, Yes, Chronic, Male.

Also chronically male.

jc

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Post by fubar on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:45pm

Yes, no, chronic.

-Fu Powers (all male baby, yeah)

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Post by klp on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:50pm

yes
yes
ech
female

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Post by dellp on Jun 25^th, 2003, 12:20am

No
Yes
Episodic

Can't wait to hear the final results on this one.

You will publish, won't you? :D

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Post by Ted on Jun 25^th, 2003, 12:24am

No
Yes
Chronic

You're all a bunch of freaks. Help me Godzilla!

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Post by Marc on Jun 25^th, 2003, 12:28am

Yes
Yes
Chronic

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Post by nancyc on Jun 25^th, 2003, 12:35am

Yes, No, Chronic

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Post by Linda_Howell on Jun 25^th, 2003, 12:39am

Yes
No
Chronic.

I must be a mutant, huh? BTW where are you going with this and don't you have something better to do on your honeymoon? I can think of at least one thing, hon. LMAO

LindaH

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Post by jminmilwaukee on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:53am

No
Yes
Ep

I also have a beebee size lump on the back side of my right ear. Been there as long as my clusters (also right side).

My guess is alien implant that uploads data to the heavens every time my cycle kicks in.

Alien implant survey anyone?

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Post by OneEyeBlind on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:22am

NO
NO
Episodic

Wow, if that thing about testosterone is true ...... there is A LOT of it floating around on this board !!!!!!!!!!! In the words of a wise man ................ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... that might splain a few things !!! lol

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Post by judyw on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:53am

For the sake of research...Georgia and only cause I know the Mr will have brainwaves about this info...
yes
no
chronic

and, Margi, I am so glad for the information on your research of Mike...he is a boy...lucky you.... ;D

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Post by judyw on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:54am

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Post by BILL_L on Jun 25^th, 2003, 5:02am

yes
yes
eposodic

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Post by Kenzie60 on Jun 25^th, 2003, 5:57am

No
No
Episodic

Roseanne

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Post by ZAIRA on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:44am

1. YES
2. NO
3. EPISODIC CH

Zaira :P

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Post by SommelierCH on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:59am

#1. Ring finger longer

#2. Big toe longer

#3. Eposidic

David J. Still producing testosterone, still male (but, willing to let Margi check) ;D

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Post by catlind on Jun 25^th, 2003, 7:05am

Absolutely fascinating!

Just checked my kids too, my son's fingers are the same length, and my daughters ring finger is longer than index. I sincerely hope they aren't finished growing! I would hate to think there is a true correlation here and my kids could end up with this!

Cat
(Margi, ingrown toenails are dead easy to fix so no one here has them :) )

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Post by ave on Jun 25^th, 2003, 7:49am

Index slightly longer than ring finger (not even a millimetre difference).

Second toe both sides is a hammer toe. If it would straigthen out it might prove longer than the big toe.

I don't know whether I am chronic or episodic. The attacks don't hurt any more but I feel them almost every day. So?

Sorry, plain yes or no won't work here.

BTW is THIS what marriage does to one?

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Post by NotH20 on Jun 25^th, 2003, 7:52am

1 - yes
2 - no
3 - episodic

Mia

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Post by aprilbee on Jun 25^th, 2003, 7:53am

1. yes
2. yes
3. eposodic

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Post by CJohnson on Jun 25^th, 2003, 8:14am

Yes
Yes (The 'coup de toe!')
Episodic

PFDANs
-Curtis

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Post by oringkid on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:29pm

Left hand yes, right hand no
no
episodic
female

Sherry

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Post by Brian_Y on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:59pm

I lost my fingers in a bizarre accident involving ether and some sandpaper while I was at the circus. It's a long story for another time...

Episodic.

Toes, I am not sure....My shoes are on at the moment....

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Post by ozzman on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:04pm

YES

YES

Episodic

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Post by hdbngr on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:04pm

Yes, Yes, Chronic.

V

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Post by Hound_Dogg on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:25pm

1) Yes

2) No

3) Episodic...

Didn't see the add-on questions but...here goes

4) ALPHA MALE

5) No in-grown nails, here.

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Post by Charlie on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:36pm

You bet

Ditto

Formerly Episodic

Buttons are on the right

And I thought I was the only one with this kink. I need the url so I can join the chat group. Did you even them up or just cut your nails like I did?

Holy cow......... :o

Chaz

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Post by Jim R on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:54pm

Yes
No
episodic (so far)

Jim R

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Post by scotg. on Jun 25^th, 2003, 3:04pm

yes, yes, episodic ::)

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Post by SFChris on Jun 25^th, 2003, 3:07pm

Georgia (congrats to you and Den),

1) Yes
2) No
3) Episodic

Regards,

Chris

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Post by misserin on Jun 25^th, 2003, 3:45pm

Yes
No
Episodic so far but I'm starting to wonder... :-/

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Post by Kwill on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:13pm

Yes
Yes
ECH

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Post by Georgia on Jun 25^th, 2003, 11:15pm

Thanks everyone. I know these were bizarre questions...but we shall see what statistics say about the results. What I need now is something to compare it to. So...I am going to start a new thread asking non-ch'ers the same thing. If anyone hasn't replied to this one yet...please do it ASAP!

Thank you!

Mrs O'Connor

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Post by totka on Jun 26^th, 2003, 4:33am

yes/yes/episodic

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Post by Margi on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:39am

OK, I had to do it - I had to tally these results. This is exciting!

Total respondents (who actually did answer the question): 55
Male Chronics: 7
Female Chronics: 7
Male Episodics: 20
Female Episodics: 21

6/7 male chronics have longer ring fingers - 86%
5/7 male chronics have longer 2nd toes - 71%

7/7 female chronics have longer ring fingers - 100%!!!
3/7 female chronics have longer 2nd toes - 43% ??

18/20 male episodics have longer ring fingers - 90%
12/20 male episodics have longer 2nd toes - 60%

16/20 female episodics have longer ring fingers - 80%
10/21 female episodics have longer 2nd toes - 48%

All male chronics answered yes to at least one of the questions.
All female chronics answered yes to at least one of the questions.
One male episodic answered no to both questions.
Three female episodics answered no to both questions.

I'm thinking you folks who answered no to both just MIGHT want to get a second opinion on your diagnosis - this is an OVERWHELMINGLY positive survey. In my years here, I've NEVER seen anything swayed so much to one side here.

So, therefore..... are misproportionate (is that a word?) digits indicative of an enlarged hypothalmus as well as an overabundance of testosterone? Too cool. OUCH should be forwarding these findings to Dr. Goadsby!!

p.s. just can't stop analyzing this:
89% of clusterheads (combined) have longer ring fingers!
55.5% of clusterheads (combined) have longer second toes!

I think that should be the new Cluster Salute - the extended ring finger. (Sorta like Spock with his funky Vulcan V thing he does for a salute.)

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Post by OneEyeBlind on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:37am

Margi, I am going for a new diagnosis now !!!!!!!!!! LOL. For real though, I have one had one cycle which lasted 4 months. I truly, truly, believe that this was brought about by being put on Paxil and going off of it a month later ............ I think my serotonin got screwed up and brought on the clusters. I am NOT a fake ...... I had clusters and know how painful they are. Never want to go in to cycle again. But am I hoping the Paxil caused the cycle ..........do I want to prove I am a clusterhead by going in to cycle again ???????? NO FUCKING WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!

This might help with your survey results. Now, if my fingers starts to change shapes ........................... OH SHIT .......... I'll be in touch !!!!!!!!!! LOL ............. and hoping for NEVER AGAIN ANOTHER CLUSTER !!!!!!!!!! I got the fingers for it !!!!!!!!

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Post by KenB on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:39am

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Episodic (hopefully!)

Male

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Post by Margi on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:43am

I'm not saying anyone's a fake, Nancy - that really was just an off the wall way of me emphasizing how amazing these results are. We've NEVER had a survey here be so completely one-sided.
If we can find an accurate cluster diagnostic tool that is as simple as this, we're miles ahead in research towards a cure, right? The thermal imaging studies for diagnosis are exciting, but how long do you have to wait to get tested and how much does it cost? Most people carry their fingers and toes around with them for free.

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Post by catlind on Jun 26^th, 2003, 11:08am

Margi, I agree, this is very exciting news.

Perhaps we can tally this up as a prelim and have the OUCH UK folks ask Prof. Goadsby about it.

I've been trying to get together a question for him that I have regarding his book and a non traditional treatment, but just don't have the neurobiology background to get it right.

I will see if I can get it set up in a database and we can continue to add to the numbers for both sides of the equation.

This truly is fascinating!!!
Even thought I was really hoping that I was misdiagnosed and wasn't a clusterhead :( Ah well, guess you're all stuck with me :P)
Cat

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Post by suzy617 on Jun 26^th, 2003, 11:22am

I am one of them who answered no to both questions. My ring finger is definitely not as long as the index. My toes are about the same size but the second one doesnt appear to be longer. They can measure them at the convention and see what they think. :D
But trust me after 22 years of CH every year I dont think I need to be rediagosed. :-/
Great job you did on the survey and very interesting too.

Suzy

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Post by oringkid on Jun 26^th, 2003, 11:35am

The thing is, I know a LOT of people who don't get ch that have their 2 toe longer than the big toe!

~~My daughter's ring finger is MUCH longer than her index and she doesn't get ch.~~ I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, wrong wrong. Sorry. I was a$$uming and made an a$$ of me! LOL

Although the results are pretty amazing, without a control group (Georgia, the NON-Ch'er responses would be interesting) we don't know much. I have a funny feeling that you might find that a LOT of people have these anomallies. Or maybe the longer fingers and toes is the norm and the short ones are anomallies!

But it IS fun! LOL! And could lead us to finding something simple like it that indicated definitively whether or not a person has CH or even WILL have CH in the future!

Cool....
Now, where are some more of those song titles!!

Sherry

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Post by Georgia on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:57pm

Margi - you are too funny. I tallied them last night at about 4 am, but was waiting to get the non-ch'er replies first to see if this truly is a characteristic of chs.

As a side note, our chronic male that answered "no" changed his answer to "yes" last night. He was measuring the actual length of his ring finger, not putting his fingers together and seeing how they sit naturally. When sitting naturally, his ring finger is longer than his index. That gives us 100% of the chronic males.

I think we first need to take these results and compare them to the regular population, and then we need to re-ask everyone this question with a definitive way of measuring the length of the fingers. I agree though that these initial stas look amazing to me. Very exciting. I think the toe results are pretty average, though. Although from what I have read on the internet, only 20% of the population has their 2nd toe longer...just don't know how definitive that is. I think the ring finger results are really the key here.

What we really need is for everyone to look at people's fingers today - people that ARE NOT RELATED TO A CH - and post those results in the other thread, before anything is sent to anyone!!

Get finger watching!!

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Post by pablo on Jun 26^th, 2003, 1:52pm

1) Is your ring finger longer than your index finger?

Yes.

2) Is your 2nd toe longer than your big toe?

No.

3) Chronic or episodic?

Episodic

4) Gender

Male

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Post by MarkHW on Jun 26^th, 2003, 3:20pm

Yes, No, Chronic, Male

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Post by Major_Headcase on Jun 26^th, 2003, 4:40pm

Dang, I got here late but what the hey ... this poll is too much fun not to join in on!

1) YES
2) Same length
3) Episodic

-John

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Post by miCHel on Jun 26^th, 2003, 5:32pm

No idea why I am doing this but here I go ;)

No
Same
Episodic

miCHel - And yes, I know it's a funny name for a man ;)

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Post by jonny on Jun 26^th, 2003, 5:44pm

1) Yes

2) Yes

3) Geritol Chronic

Man!, I never thought there would be threats if "I didnt" post to a thread ;D

...................................jonny :D

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Post by brain_cramps on Jun 26^th, 2003, 5:44pm

1. Yes

2. No

3. Episodic

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Post by maggie_may on Jun 26^th, 2003, 5:53pm

1. on my left hand, the RF is much longer than my IF, but they are the same on my right hand.
2. no
3. episodic

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Post by Mark C on Jun 26^th, 2003, 6:24pm

Example..

Everyone collected different data, so your answers would not be the same as these. This is just a sample for one such set of data.
For the first case, x is the ring finger and y is the baby finger:
x y
70 54
81 60
68 55
80 65
74 61
68 55
-----------------
Mean 73.5000 58.3333

The mean values are given by 73.5000 and 58.3333 respectively. Subtracting the mean values gives:

x-x_bar y-y_bar
-3.5000 -4.3333
7.5000 1.6667
-5.5000 -3.3333
6.5000 6.6667
0.5000 2.6667
-5.5000 -3.3333
------------------
0 0

Note that these columns sum to zero.

Now set up a table with squares and products, and sum the columns:

x² x x×y y y²
12.2500 -3.5000 15.1667 -4.3333 18.7778
56.2500 7.5000 12.5000 1.6667 2.7778
30.2500 -5.5000 18.3333 -3.3333 11.1111
42.2500 6.5000 43.3333 6.6667 44.4444
0.2500 0.5000 1.3333 2.6667 7.1111
30.2500 -5.5000 18.3333 -3.3333 11.1111
----------------------------------------------------
171.5000 0 109.0000 -0.0000 95.3333

(The x and y in the column headings should be understood as deviations from the mean.)

From the sums, we can get

the slope b=109.00/171.50=0.6356
and
the correlation coefficient r=109.00/sqrt(171.5×95.33)=0.8525

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The next analysis involves ring finger length as the x and nose length as the y.
x y
70 50
81 57
68 50
80 48
74 46
68 40
-----------------
Mean 73.5000 48.5000

Using the same set-up as in part (a) we have:
x² x x×y y y²
12.2500 -3.5000 -5.2500 1.5000 2.2500
56.2500 7.5000 63.7500 8.5000 72.2500
30.2500 -5.5000 -8.2500 1.5000 2.2500
42.2500 6.5000 -3.2500 -0.5000 0.2500
0.2500 0.5000 -1.2500 -2.5000 6.2500
30.2500 -5.5000 46.7500 -8.5000 72.2500
----------------------------------------------------
171.5000 0 92.5000 0 155.5000

the slope b=92.500/171.50=0.5394
and

the correlation coefficient r=92.50/sqrt(171.5×155.50)=0.5664

If we interchange the role of explanatory and response variable, we
can use the same information as in the previous table, just interchange
the x and the y.

Thus we get

the slope b=92.500/155.50=0.5949
and

the correlation coefficient r=92.50/sqrt(171.5×155.50)=0.5664

We see that the correlation coefficient is the same in the two
cases. The regression coefficients are different, however, and they
are not reciprocals of each other, because the lines are different, depending
on which is the explanatory variable. In fact, the product of the
two regression coefficients is equal to the square of the correlation
coefficient.

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Post by catlind on Jun 26^th, 2003, 6:30pm

Okay smart ass, go figure out a way to put my question to Goadsby into a format that is easy to understand :P

Cat

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Post by jonny on Jun 26^th, 2003, 6:33pm

Bro,

Can ya hang on till I go to fuckin school for a few years to figure that shit out? ;D

ROTFF.....:D

.........................................jonny

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Post by Linda_Howell on Jun 26^th, 2003, 6:39pm

Georgia, you're giving me a headache hon.

Sweetie....can't you think of something else to do on your honey-moon??? E-mail me. I'll give you 3 suggestions and the first 2 don't count.

I know you mean well, so this post will self-destruct in 30 seconds.

LindaH

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Post by eyes_afire on Jun 26^th, 2003, 6:41pm

1. yes
2. no
3. ??? episodic once again, I think?

--- Steve, one of many...

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Post by Ted on Jun 26^th, 2003, 7:13pm

So I'm kind of lost on question 1 still. When I look at my hand my ring finger appears longer since it extends up higher. But that's an illusion of being longer since the pointer finger actually starts at a lower point on the hand. When I place the base of my right ring finger in line with the base of my left pointer finger, the pointer is actually longer. So, when people answered were they just looking at one hand and seeing the ring finger appeared longer or did you actually compare them side by side. If the prior I bet there'd be a lot of revised answers. We probably should set a standard of measuring before we get too excited by the results.

Oh, and Mark, you just write the most beautiful poetry.

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Post by Not4Hire on Jun 26^th, 2003, 7:42pm

on 06/26/03 at 19:13:53, Ted wrote:

..and when I look at my FEET.... i mean, the fact that my KNUCKLES are cruisin' along at the same elevation as my toes.... it makes me wonder...ya know?

;D

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Post by pathat on Jun 26^th, 2003, 7:44pm

1 yes
2 rt y left same
3 episodic

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Post by Georgia on Jun 27^th, 2003, 12:46am

Mark C wrote:

Quote:

For the first case, x is the ring finger and y is the baby finger:

The baby finger and the nose? Where did that come from? Was that just a really long example for me? I was planning on testing this data with the non-ch'er data to see if it is statistically significant - ie, getting the p value. Maybe this was your way of volunteering? :) Let me know.

Ted wrote:

Quote:

We probably should set a standard of measuring before we get too excited by the results.

Way ahead of ya. But before I ask everyone to do that, I want to make sure it's worth it.
Georgia wrote:

Quote:

we need to re-ask everyone this question with a definitive way of measuring the length of the fingers.

I am psyched that we are still getting replies here. We really need as many replies as we can get both here and in the non-ch'er survey. Without the non-ch'ers to compare it to, this means nothing. Its like saying 90% of ch'ers have two arms. Handy to us, but it doesn't distinguish us in anyway from the norm.

Oh and Linda - personally, I think measuring and examining body parts and their correlation to testosterone is a great way to spend my honeymoon. :)

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Post by Roxy on Jun 27^th, 2003, 3:37am

on 06/27/03 at 00:46:43, Georgia wrote:

personally, I think measuring and examining body parts and their correlation to testosterone is a great way to spend my honeymoon. :)

Glad you're having a great honeymoon Georgia..... :D Sounds like a wonderful way to spend it.

Mark.....sweetie......you are way, way over my head......ROTFLMAO

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Post by Georgia on Jun 27^th, 2003, 4:03am

Roxy...look at what time it is. Go to bed already. Jeesh.

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Post by DaveHar on Jun 27^th, 2003, 6:58am

1) Is your ring finger longer than your index finger?

Yes

2) Is your 2nd toe longer than your big toe?

Yes

3) Chronic or episodic?

episodic

Dave/Male.....well the last time I checked....LOL

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Post by TomM on Jun 27^th, 2003, 10:06am

1) yes.
2) same size.
3) episodic.

MarkC--Your statistical analysis is interesting but your sample is not large enough to make this statistically significant. 500-1500 samples, perhaps?
What is the correlation?

And why is Georgia soooo concerned about size now that she is on her honeymoon? LOL. ;)

TomM

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Post by Georgia on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:01pm

bump

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Post by Tim_w on Jun 27^th, 2003, 4:49pm

NO
NO
CHRONIC
Tim_w

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Post by kim on Jun 27^th, 2003, 9:16pm

What if ya don't file yer toenails and caint tell? ??? Plus, there's polish on em ??? Egads.
I have no idea.
Footy :o

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Post by gene on Jun 28^th, 2003, 1:59am

no, no, episodic

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Post by taraann on Jun 28^th, 2003, 2:09am

1) No

2) yes (yuck thanks for bringing that to my attention LOL)

3) Episodic

Tara Ann
(female)

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Post by Jackie on Jun 28^th, 2003, 5:13am

For Blake.....

NO
NO
Chronic

Jacks 8)

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Post by Donna on Jun 28^th, 2003, 7:52am

Mark.........

I understand when you stated that x is the ring finger and y the baby finger, you probably meant y was the index finger.

In that case, I'm looking at 2 columns of data, one labeled x, one y, and in the first row in each column 70 and 54. Does this mean that in this hypothetical sample you had 70 positive replys to ring fingers larger and 54 negative replys?

After your detailed analysis, what is your conclusion?

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Post by arby on Jun 28^th, 2003, 9:31am

1/ yes
2/ yes
3/ episodic

Is there a hope any of us will even want to understand MarkC 's post ??? ??? ??? :-/

Ross

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Post by Opus on Jun 28^th, 2003, 3:50pm

Yes,
no,
episodic

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Post by wally on Jun 28^th, 2003, 5:55pm

yes, no and episodic

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Post by Shane on Jun 28^th, 2003, 9:16pm

NO
NO
Chronic
Male ;D
Shane

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Post by Lapsi_Harmaahapsi on Jun 29^th, 2003, 9:52am

1. yes
2. no
3. episodic