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Title: *** EPISODICS ONLY *** Post by brain_cramps on Jun 21st, 2003, 5:18pm While MOST episodics CANNOT drink while in cycle, MOST chronics seem to say that alcohol has no effect. How many episodics feel that alcohol DOES have an effect while in cycle (ie. trigger)? |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by brain_cramps on Jun 21st, 2003, 5:20pm I'm episodic AND alcohol is DEFINTELY a trigger for me. grant |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by GlendaB on Jun 21st, 2003, 5:24pm Episodic and when in cycle or close to my cycle I can't touch alcohol. And that means anything with alcohol in it. G :-[ |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by suzy617 on Jun 21st, 2003, 5:41pm Just beer is a definite trigger for me but I can drink vodka and doesnt bother the CH at all. suzy |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by BlackDog on Jun 21st, 2003, 5:45pm Episodic and I cannot even look at my bottle of Jack while in cycle. Beer too. Haven't tried any other alcohol in cycle, too scared. :o Darren |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by jonny on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:05pm GEE, Im chronic and I can suck suds all day long......Must suck to be you.....LOL ;D .................................jonny |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Live4Fun on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:10pm Alcohol is a gamble for me... 80% trigger, 20% no effect during a cycle. But some of my worst hits have been after alcohol so not a great gamble. Hope this helps... P.S. Jonny, sucks to be ALL of us... :P ;D Bryan |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by brain_cramps on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:18pm jonny either a) you are chronic and episodic or b) you can't read grant |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by cathy on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:20pm Grant....either you are stupid...or on a death wish... ;D |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by ShariRae on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:27pm lol Cathy...very true :) |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by andy on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:28pm Beer,Booze=CH ...............andy |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by jonny on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:40pm on 06/21/03 at 18:20:47, cathy wrote:
Hmmmmmm LMMFAO ...................................jonny |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by stevegeebe on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:51pm No alcohol while in cycle. Crazy thought. Steve G |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by cbolony on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:53pm I'm episodic and alcohol in and out of cycle is a trigger |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by don on Jun 21st, 2003, 6:56pm Ab-so-tively ! And stay outta my thread chronic boy! |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by jonny on Jun 21st, 2003, 7:09pm Man, the chickens are no where to be found......LOL ..........................jonny ;D |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Kenzie60 on Jun 21st, 2003, 7:46pm Alcohol is definitely a trigger for me. Roseanne |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by BruceD on Jun 21st, 2003, 8:03pm DEFINITE trigger. So much so I haven't touched any for about 10 years. BruceD |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Mark C on Jun 21st, 2003, 8:04pm :-[ |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Tucker31 on Jun 21st, 2003, 8:30pm Tigger! Don't drink at all because of it. Boy the good old days were fun! Wish they would come back. ;D |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by brain_cramps on Jun 21st, 2003, 8:39pm on 06/21/03 at 18:20:47, cathy wrote:
Wrong on both accounts! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm asking 2 simple questions in 2 threads for a reason. Apparently YOUR 'king' is too illiterate to understand what statistical analysis means. grant P.S. jonny don't bother threatening me by IM anymore. I'm not AT ALL scared. |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by arby on Jun 21st, 2003, 9:24pm Interesting idea Grant As above: Alcohol (in any form) is a trigger. Boy, jonny gets one little thing up on us episodics and he can't leave it alone. LOL Ross |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Big_Dan on Jun 21st, 2003, 11:09pm ... yeah, I feel it has an effect... ... an effect like I just blew my brains out.... -Big Dan |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by JDH on Jun 21st, 2003, 11:48pm I'm episodic and I usually only drink beer but NONE for me while I'm in a cycle. I can fire up a h/a before finishing the first one...and yeah Jonny, when those times roll around, it does suck to be me. :( Jim |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Mastifflvr28 on Jun 22nd, 2003, 1:57am I only drink maybe twice a year...2 years ago I found out that alcohol was a trigger...one marguarita near spring triggered that years cycle. Mast |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Lapsi_Harmaahapsi on Jun 22nd, 2003, 5:12am I haven't had a drink for 9 years because I'm a religious nut. I'm kind of curious though, maybe I need to make it a scientific experiment.. ;) edit: Actually, my clusters started a year after I stopped drinking. |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by gene on Jun 22nd, 2003, 5:53am not a drop or a guaranteed 10 in cycle |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by oringkid on Jun 22nd, 2003, 9:31am Yep, trigger for me. Sherry |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by cher on Jun 22nd, 2003, 3:13pm one sip of the old amber nectar and it sets the ch off. can of beer in one hand and the mimtrex in the other, i got it all worked out lol cher x |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Live4Fun on Jun 22nd, 2003, 3:50pm Hrm... since I don't get one EVERY TIME I drink, does that mean I may be moving towards being a chronic?? <sigh> ??? Ummm... of course I am pretty much an alcoholic out of cycle, so maybe I have some sort of tolerance built up... ;D PFDANs Bryan |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Ueli on Jun 22nd, 2003, 7:54pm I was episodic for 5.5 years and I am now chronic for 4.5. For me alcohol was never a trigger (in fact, I learned about triggers only on CH.com). However, if I eat (the good Swiss) cheese together with any alcoholic beverage, I get a 3 hour whacker. Could be from a histamine shock, I've read that alcohol accelerates histamine uptake in the gut a 100 fold. PFNADs Ueli |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Drk^Angel on Jun 22nd, 2003, 11:37pm I've only noted one attack that occured after drinkin' (Damn margaritas LOL) Otherwise, I've alway been able to drink 'til I'm even dumber than I look... In or out of cycle. PFDAN............................ Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by ZAIRA on Jun 23rd, 2003, 6:41am on 06/21/03 at 17:18:50, brain_cramps wrote:
Absolutely YES! When I’m in cluster NO alcohol. Ciao, Zaira ;D |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Kasey4 on Jun 23rd, 2003, 7:02am In cycle - no alcohol. It triggered one about 18 years ago - that was enough for me to never try it again. Out of cycle - nothing is a trigger. |
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Title: if its a problem...its a problem Post by rumplestiltskin on Jun 23rd, 2003, 7:21am episodic...alchoholic Booze was not a trigger for CH for me. I have never positivly identified any "trigger"....except for possibly relaxation. Walk in the sunshine den |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by miCHel on Jun 23rd, 2003, 9:38am Booze is a total trigger for me. I can't drink at all when I am in cycle. As for the rest of the year, I do a lot of work for Molson... so I can catch up quite nicely. ;D ;D ;D miCHel |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Joanie on Jun 23rd, 2003, 9:42am Grant... Alcohol will definitely trigger an immediate 10 when in cycle. Out of cycle.....I can drink what I want :D Joanie |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by CJohnson on Jun 23rd, 2003, 1:42pm When I drink during a cycle, I don't get a headache right away, but I will always get one within an hour, give or take about 15 minutes. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Brian_Y on Jun 23rd, 2003, 1:58pm Booze willl definitely do it for me in a cycle. Out of one, no prob. Unless of course I am one of those Jack Kerouac inspired binges that would make Caligula blush. If I wake up in a gutter, I can bring one on from a week or so of hard poet-esque drinking.... |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by CJohnson on Jun 23rd, 2003, 2:28pm on 06/23/03 at 13:58:47, Brian_Y wrote:
The Smiths? PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Brian_Y on Jun 23rd, 2003, 2:43pm Curtis, Now that you mention it, you are right. My credit to Morrisey. Plagiarism was not intended..... I can't remember the song, tho... |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by paul_b on Jun 23rd, 2003, 2:44pm Abso F"in" lootly a trigger for me!!! |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by CJohnson on Jun 23rd, 2003, 3:05pm Brian, your Morrissey reference was too perfect. "I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour, but Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now." That made my day. I think I will be enjoying The Smiths on the way home. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by Brian_Y on Jun 23rd, 2003, 7:50pm Ah, memories, Curtis!!! "It's tiiime the tale were tooold....of how you took a boy and you made him ooold" The Queen is Dead is an AWESOME record.... |
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Title: Re: EPISODICS ONLY... Post by brain_cramps on Jun 23rd, 2003, 8:00pm As I had stated earlier, I had a reason for starting these two threads. While most newbies asking if alcohol is a trigger are episodic (as are most clusterheads, in general), it may be misleading for them to be answered by a chronic saying that alcohol isn’t a trigger without the chronic stating that they are, in fact, chronic. Additionally, it might be beneficial to determine if the newbie asking the question is episodic or chronic. As I stated in my original post, “While MOST episodics CANNOT drink while in cycle, MOST chronics seem to say that alcohol has no effect.” Note that all of these numbers are approximate, due to the fact that some answers were open to interpretation. Also, in a few cases there were people that were at one time episodic and now are chronic, or vice versa. The results from the EPISODICS weren’t surprising. 27 stated that alcohol was “Definitely a trigger”. 2 stated that alcohol was “In No Way a Trigger”. 4 found alcohol to be a “Conditional Trigger or N/A (ie. don’t drink)”. Meanwhile, I found the results from the CHRONICS to be surprising. I was (mistakenly) under the impression that most chronics could drink without getting hit. 7 stated that alcohol was “In No Way a Trigger”. 5 stated that alcohol was “Definitely a Trigger”. 8 found alcohol to be a “Conditional Trigger or N/A (ie. don’t drink)”. These are simply my observations as this is in no way a “scientific study”. |
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Title: , one beerRe: *** EPISODICS ONLY *** Post by FrankF on Jun 23rd, 2003, 8:30pm One beer or hard liquor drink will usually trigger a CH attack within an hour if I am in cycle. When I am not in cycle, I can drink anybody under the table (even Jonny) and suffer no ill effects. |
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Title: Re: *** EPISODICS ONLY *** Post by Not4Hire on Jun 23rd, 2003, 9:06pm aww grant... i was drinkin' and forgot to answer..... but then I don't drink normally.... (i mean NORMALLY) ...i mean... ;) ...no discernable difference.... i drink water...no booze.....CH.... i drink booze....CH... I breathe o2....CH gone in 10-15 minutes.... unless 8+ or above.... Imitrex...... gone..... i don't like to fuck with success..... it's SO rare..... 8) |
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Title: Re: *** EPISODICS ONLY *** Post by ijunG4 on Jun 24th, 2003, 4:44pm This was a great idea. Very interesting study. I bet no one in academia has thought to do this yet. BTW, I'm episodic and alcoholic beverages do trigger an attack. I can drink w/o problems only during off-cycle. It does seem interesting that there are a couple of people I ran across lately here who say vodka is the only thing that's OK. Looking at the way more chronics can tolerate alcohol, makes you wonder if there might be a compassionate God after all. More to the point, I think the difference in the effect of alcohol between episodic and chronic is a key to help unlock one of the mysteries in the mechanism of CH. I also think the theory postulated by JoeKen in "Red Red Wine" is considering--perhaps it's the impurities and/or additives in most drinks (common to most brewing/distilling), not the ethyl alcohol itself, that might be triggering CH. That would be the only reasonable explanation why some people can tolerate certain types of (but not all) wines and vodka, without fear of CH. This whole alcohol issue has got to be important, because unlike with migraine, alcohol seems to be the ONLY common external trigger to CH... |
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Title: Re: , one beerRe: *** EPISODICS ONLY *** Post by jonny on Jun 24th, 2003, 4:52pm on 06/23/03 at 20:30:36, FrankF wrote:
Thats a great thing to brag about, tell me, how does a chick get the name Frank? Hmmmmmmm ::) ..........................................jonny |
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