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(Message started by: fubar on May 25th, 2003, 12:36am)

Title: Prednisone
Post by fubar on May 25th, 2003, 12:36am
I am on day 3 of my first Prednisone taper.  The schedule for taking this is agressive, 10 days going from 60mg/day down to 5 (60,60,60,60,50,40,30,15,10,5,0).

I have to say, I'm amazed.  I only had one painful shadow (hardly a real attack) today, and last night I slept a whole night.  Oh my GOD I'm feeling the light at the end of the tunnel feeling, but I know it's likely they will come back as soon as I stop taper off.  In any case, the sanity index is on the uptick.

If you haven't tried it and you can't get a break, this may be the trick.  Seems to work for me so far.

-Fu

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by brain_cramps on May 25th, 2003, 3:09am
glad you're getting some relief Fu.   you sure need it.

good luck,
grant         8)

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by cbolony on May 25th, 2003, 5:16am
fubar glad to hear you are getting a break from the beast i hope it last forever :) :)

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Donna on May 25th, 2003, 6:23am
furbar...so glad you found something that helps.  That's the good news we all love to hear.  Hopefully you have found what works for you.

My son has also found relief with Pred.  Although it is a nasty drug, sometimes it is the only relief one can find.

Your dosage and duration looks about the same as his, and his cycle does end with that one treatment, thank God.  He does not take it until he is into his cycle.  He has 3 faulty heart valves and the doc is strict with what he takes.

He wasn't on any med until I found this site.  He was once prescribed Inderal, but that didn't do anything.

Good Luck!!!

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Roxy on May 25th, 2003, 7:11am
fu.....glad you are catching a break and that the sanity index is up.  A full nights sleep always makes the world a little more tolerable.

Hope this knocks it out for a long time,
Tracey

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by don on May 25th, 2003, 7:45am
I always use a pred. taper while in cycle. Sometimes 2 or 3 per cycle.

Get ll the rest you can and sleep sleep sleep.

Are you on a preventative? PLot a stategy now, the cycle tends to start up again at the low end of the taper.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by jonny on May 25th, 2003, 7:51am
Watch the hip joints Bro, that shit ate away at my hips to the point I couldnt walk.

Becareful

...........................................jonny

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Bob_Johnson on May 25th, 2003, 7:58am
Let me echo  Don--hope you have a plan with you doc for the next preventive med to use when this run of pred is complete.

Given your hard struggle, I'd highly recommend that you buy:

"MANAGEMENT OF HEADACHE AND HEADACHE MEDICATIONS, 2nd ed. Lawrence D. Robbins, M.D.; pub. by Springer. $49 at Amazon.Com. This volume is better organized and easier to read for nonprofessionals compared to Saper's book. It covers all types of headache and is primarily focused on medications. While the two chapters on CH total 42-pages, the actual relevant material is longer because of multiple references to material in chapters on migraine, reflecting the overlap in drugs used to treat. I'd suggest reading the chapters on migraine for three reasons: he makes references to CH & medications which are not in the index; there are "clinical pearls" about how to approach the treatment of headache; and, you gain better perspective on the nature of headache, in general, and the complexities of treatment (which need to be considered when we create expectations about what is possible). Finally, women will appreciate & benefit from his running information on hormones/menstrual cycles as they affect headache. Chapter on headache following head trauma, also. Obviously, I'm impressed with Robbins' work (even if the book needs the touch of a good editor!) (Somewhat longer review/content statement at 3/22/00, "Good book....")."

This is the best single book covering the complexity of treatment which I 've found.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by oringkid on May 25th, 2003, 12:56pm
I'm sooo glad the pred is working for you!

Sherry

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by paul_b on May 25th, 2003, 2:17pm
Glad you are getting a breather. Hope the turn around stays around.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by ZAIRA on May 25th, 2003, 2:36pm

:) ... Hey Fu, I am happy to hear that Pred works for you, and... I hope the beast will leave you definitely...

All the best for you,

Zaira  8)  :-*

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by AlienSpaceBabe on May 25th, 2003, 3:18pm
Glad the pred is working for you!

and Don's right... the headaches do come back as you taper down.

side effects differ between people:
Jonny's hip problems sound horrible!
I actually lost weight on the first 14 days of my taper... then gained it all back the last 7 days...
Some have mood swings... crave rare meat... others have few problems.

Good luck!
Lizzie aka ASB

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by don on May 25th, 2003, 4:16pm
I crave live meat. Well I guess thats with or without the pred. anyway.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Mark C on May 25th, 2003, 4:56pm
;D

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by brain_cramps on May 25th, 2003, 5:40pm

on 05/25/03 at 16:16:01, don wrote:
I crave live meat...

Funny Don, I usually prefer to kill my deer, moose, elk, bunny-rabbits  ;) and gophers  :P before I eat them.  

just me,
grant     8)

P.S.   forgot geese, ducks, and even ducklings  ;)

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Miklos on May 25th, 2003, 7:30pm
Fu, please see my -editorial- in the Blissful Sleep topic.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Mikey on May 25th, 2003, 8:16pm
FU,
Glad to see ya gettin some relief dude!  Hope that the beast never comes back!!!!!!!!!

PFDAN to ya

Mikey,  ;D

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by catlind on May 26th, 2003, 7:32pm

on 05/25/03 at 17:40:28, brain_cramps wrote:
Funny Don, I usually prefer to kill my bunny-rabbits  ;)  before I eat them.  

just me,
grant     8)


Kiss a bunny between the ears?

Did I really just say that?  :o

Cat

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by OneEyeBlind on May 26th, 2003, 8:35pm
Glad to hear you are getting some relief FU !!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by kim on May 26th, 2003, 8:43pm
Good luck with the prednisone taper.  I have read lots of success stories regarding a REPRIEVE...............

Just make sure you follow the docs instructions and don't suddenly stop taking it.  I did that and ended up literally not able to use my arms and legs.  Scary.  Plus my face blew up like a friggin ballon and I was very testy. :D


Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by DaveHar on May 26th, 2003, 10:15pm

Quote:
Funny Don, I usually prefer to kill my deer, moose, elk, bunny-rabbits   and gophers   before I eat them.  

just me,
grant  



Quote:
Kiss a bunny between the ears?

Did I really just say that?  

Cat


A Leesa likes to say.....Here comes Peter Cottin Tail hopping down the bunny trail.  LMMFAO

FU...I am very glad to hear that your getting PFDANs. Good luck and keep your head high.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by JDH on May 26th, 2003, 10:23pm
Fu,
glad to hear your getting relief with the Pred.
Enjoy your pf time but like the others have said, be careful.
pfdan's

Jim

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Callico_Kid on May 26th, 2003, 10:31pm
Great news! ;D  It's always good to hear someone is getting relief!!!

jc

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by stuey on May 27th, 2003, 9:34am
Thankful it's helping you.  ANything that does it is good.  It worked for me three years ago but not this go round I even went up to 90 from 60 and tapered.  Don't know why.  I just hope it's over for you and you go into remission.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by SommelierCH on May 28th, 2003, 5:34am
Fu,

Way cool, whatever works, you know. Just a small PF break during my cycles, away from that constant Kip 1-3 shadow (doesn’t happen often), made even the sky a marvelous thing. And, you got a whole nights sleep, what’s the value of that, on the Master Card scale of priceless?

You sound like a different person, you have your love of life back, and it sounds like you have hope. I still can’t say that you’re sane, because I just read on another post that ……..jonny is now our benchmark for sanity. Personally, I have no frigging idea if that makes it easier or harder for me to be considered sane.


Fight the good fight, bro,

David J.

P.S. Send me your dang address, so I can send your OUCH Healing Doll!!!!

P.P.S.   jonny—just wondering about the bad hip thing you all are talking about; is there a vitamin/mineral supplement regime that could help to curb that, like calcium, iron or osso buco?

Title: Progress report
Post by fubar on May 28th, 2003, 9:29am
OK...

So I'm on day 6 of a 10 day Prednosone taper.  I've gone from having 2-3 Kip8-10's a day to mere shadows every now and then (maybe a nice stabbing pain for 1 minute, but nothing serious).  I'm not sure about the side effects of the Prednisone yet, but my joints and back feel 'looser', and not in a great way.  I had some abnormal hip pain, and my knees have been hurting a little bit.

All in all, I deem this to be a fair trade for the moment.  This is the first real break I've had in (going on) 19 months.  I'll be off the Prednisone by Sunday, and in all probability, right back in my cycle.

Somebody explain HOW this is working and WHY they can't make it work PERMENENTLY.  For a chronic, a break in the action can be a real life saver, but it can also be a reminder of what 'normal' days were like.  A depressing reminder of how bad things have gotten.  I see my neuro again on Friday and will ask him the same questions.

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Major_Headcase on May 28th, 2003, 11:45am
fubar,

I got good results with Prednisone, ie more than a short time out, by stretching out the tapering period quite a bit ... well, a lot.  I stayed at each level for about 4 days, and upped my Verapamil to 720mg/day at the same time. I had to beg like a hungry wet dog to get my GP doc to extend my Prednisone script to allow for the extended tapering off time, but my doc's a good guy who's willing to work with me [I show him a fistful of printouts from this site everytime I visit him, bless his heart he's not afraid/ashamed to admit when he's not "all-knowing" about a medical condition]. He did this in part because my CH came back when I got down to 40mg/day. I will say that Pred made me "pretty grouchy" (translated: short-fused and hyper-irritable) and an insomniac. Even so, the tradeoff was worth it. Good luck with your Pred treatment ... are you taking Verapamil (or other prophylactic med) too, if so, at what dosage? -John

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by fubar on May 28th, 2003, 12:20pm
Well, I'm on the Verapamil, 720/day and supposed to be on Depakote 750 ER, but I decided I don't like the Depakote.  My doctor will work woith me.

I just want to know WHY it works.  When I can't take it anymore, I'm going to be pretty bummed.

-Fu

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by Woobie on May 28th, 2003, 1:03pm
all i know is that prednisone is a steriod, and is used for severe inflammation.   it worked for me with my arthritis, and for asthma attacks.   i dont know why it would work for clusters, unless inflammation has something to do with it.    Ueli should know... where's Ueli?

there are some people with arthritis that take a low dose of it every day for years and years.. (which i cant see how that can be good for ya.... but they do it)  

fu.. i'm glad you're getting some relief!!    Hope you get the answers to your questions.

tina   :-*

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by jonny on May 28th, 2003, 3:01pm

on 05/28/03 at 05:34:06, SommelierCH wrote:
P.P.S.   jonny—just wondering about the bad hip thing you all are talking about; is there a vitamin/mineral supplement regime that could help to curb that, like calcium, iron or osso buco?


Dont know David, I was on it ten years ago. As soon as the pain was so bad in my hips that I could not walk I got off it.

.........................jonny

Title: Re: Prednisone
Post by TomM on May 28th, 2003, 3:12pm

on 05/28/03 at 13:03:50, Woobie wrote:
all i know is that prednisone is a steriod....there are some people with arthritis that take a low dose of it every day for years and years.. (which i cant see how that can be good for ya.... but they do it)
Yes, Prednisone is a steroid and will cause osteoporosis if taken for long periods of time. I took it for a year straight and thinned my bones to the brink of osteoporosis. Calcium supplements can help. Moon face is one side effect and one other is the jitters. I have an Rx of valium to help with the jitters.
TomM



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