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Title: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by PatMan on May 15th, 2003, 6:26pm Hi,Ive been daily weed smoker for 15+ years.Been dealing with CH for about 4 years.It seems every time I smoke weed I get a CH 1-2 hours later(sometimes immediately).I had thought it was beer(which I also do daily) but quit weed for 30 days and got NO headaches(well maybe a couple but not CH).I am having a difficult time accepting fact that weed could be "my" main trigger.Everything I read seems to point to marijuana "helps" headaches.I really dont want to quit smoking FOREVER! |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by jonny on May 15th, 2003, 6:38pm Take a hammer and slam it on your foot, hurt? Now dont hit your foot with a hammer, hurt? Your call. ......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 15th, 2003, 6:39pm Quote:
You just answered your own question. I have never heard of a single person here who has said refer helps a headache. Not a CH any way. |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by phrodus on May 15th, 2003, 6:55pm I've noticed that it helps me a tiny amount when I am *having* a headache, but it also seems to be a trigger for me, so I tend to smoke less. I am sure that smoking in gerneral... weed or not is a trigger for me ;D |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by 9erfan on May 15th, 2003, 7:23pm I think it only helps people with migraines. Tried it several times, never got any relief from my clusters and a couple of times it even caused a headache. I thnk you've already gotten your answer. ;) |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 15th, 2003, 7:44pm I used to drive nails into my elbow every morning. Had arm pain daily. I stopped driving nails into my elbow every morning for 30 days and my arm didn't hurt for 30 days. Is driving nails into my elbow beneficial for treating arm pain? |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by jonny on May 15th, 2003, 8:13pm I started smoking at an early age. http://tinyurl.com/bvzc I continued to smile, I quit that shit. http://www.pahlow.net/ch/ch_images/jonny4.JPG I dont know about you and your weed addicition but im drug free and chicks cant get enough of the mountain.......LMMFAO!!!! ;D ....................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by PatMan on May 15th, 2003, 8:19pm I know,I know.... Im an idiot. Seriously though,Im feeling depressed about not being able to smoke my weed that has been part of my life for so long.Ive been on a lifestyle change mission for about 1.5 months now.I drink 6 pack/day,smoke 1 small joint/day,2 packs ultra light cigs/day for over 15 years now.Serious anxiety problems and CH started about 4 years ago.In my month of total abstinance I felt much better(so good I started drinking few beers and tried smoking weed again).Drinking beer alone had no h/a effect but right after smoking half joint I started getting one which I prevented by taking 2 excedrins and huffing some oxygen(havent had to use O2 in 3 weeks prior to my smoking).I am gonna get back to my very low alcohol intake/no weed kick as of right now.It just sucks but the headaches are what I cannot have anymore.BTW jonny, my foot DID hurt after slammin a hammer on it and DID NOT hurt when I didnt! :P |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 15th, 2003, 8:27pm I fyou dont mind posting it. Where in New England are you? |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by PatMan on May 15th, 2003, 8:28pm CT,don. |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by jonny on May 15th, 2003, 8:28pm Dont want Ha's dude? Quit your shit that causes your HA;s....Easy?...No, but what do you like the most? the high or the HA? Duh!!!!....im done ............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by PatMan on May 15th, 2003, 8:31pm Duh??? What the fuck,jonny? I dont want no fuckin compassion but dont make me feel like an not a very nice person for posting "me"! |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by jonny on May 15th, 2003, 8:36pm Im not trying to make you feel like an ass-hole dude....come up to my shop and im sure I can hook you up with somethiong that can help.....but it wont be weed. .........................................jonny Fuck this I have to get up at 3 am....so much for helping Nite peeps |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by Mikey on May 15th, 2003, 8:50pm Jonny's right dude, Weed WILL trigger, or deffinitely won't help a CH. On the other hand, i've experimented with weed for my Meegraines, and it seemed to help them and tension type headaches, but never a CH. So for that reason i don't smoke weed for FEAR of it setting off a CH! Mikey, ;D |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by magpie on May 15th, 2003, 8:52pm Geez you guys are nuts!! ( I Love IT) Weed has always helped me after an attack. To calm down and mellow out , after all my eye is bleeding my nose is runnen and Ive just been hit with a hammer.(not in the foot, in the eye) So Ill keep usen it for after relief. Its the best thing Ive found. Magpie |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 15th, 2003, 8:57pm We have a few Chers in Conn. you should try and hook up. I'm up in Boston. You anywhere near Foxwoods? |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by kissmyglass on May 15th, 2003, 9:30pm Hey, I'm an hour from Foxwoods....Who wants to meet at Foxwoods???? I'm game....Jonny is the only Clusterhead i've me so far.... Kev |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by kissmyglass on May 15th, 2003, 9:33pm ooops don't know how that ??? got in my post.... Any other Clusterheads in CT? |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 15th, 2003, 9:34pm I'll be there at about 2 PM saturday |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by Charlie on May 15th, 2003, 9:46pm Welcome Pat Man. We're a pretty good group Pat Man. Tell us more and stick around. Jonny has helped us all and he'll help you too. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by JDH on May 15th, 2003, 10:22pm on 05/15/03 at 20:52:01, magpie wrote:
I agree Maggie. If I've been doing battle all night my head is usually so sore the next morning I can't touch it but after a couple of hits, it ain't so bad...herb has always been a part of my post h/a arsenal 8) As for your original post PatMan, I have never considered weed to be a trigger for me. If I did though, it would be a no brainer just like I have to quit alcohol when the beast comes around. pfdan's Jim |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by fubar on May 16th, 2003, 12:18am PatMan, Some people have specific triggers, for sure. And I suppose pot, any pot, could be a trigger for you. That can't be ruled out. But it's unlikely. It's kind of like asking 'do blue colored pills make my pain go away'. Their are literally endless varieties of cannabis (indica, sativa and hybrids) all with potentially wild differences in pharmacology. I'm only telling you this because if you are continually smoking something that gives you a headache, of course that means you might want to stop. But there may be alternatives that won't be a trigger for you. -Fu |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by cbolony on May 16th, 2003, 3:40am Quote:
PatMan my trigger is alcohol in cycle or out of cycle Ibeen drinking all my life then 1996 it happen every drink i have will get these fucking headaches.It took 5 years for me to find out the i had CH.All the doctors were treating me for sinus headaches.Five years of hell.I stopped drinking but sneak a drink once in a while and i have to pay the price and then i have to waste a imitrex injection to stop the CH.PatMan i know it's hard to stop but as you know the pain is a real mother fucker. There are a lot of great people on this board that will help you don't get mad if they tell you something that you do not want to hear.PatMan stay PF Charles from new york |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by PatMan on May 16th, 2003, 5:27am Thanks to the board! even Tommy Lee,I mean jonny ;D I too have been going around in circles trying to find thhe cause of these clusters for about 5 years.Unfortunately for me it happens to be something that I really enjoy.I have tried many types of weed(good,bad,very good,homegrown without chemicals) and occasionaly find one that does not trigger but the stuff changes frequently in my area.No tokin for me as of now. Foxwoods Rules!! Pat Man from Waterbury |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by CJohnson on May 16th, 2003, 6:38am on 05/16/03 at 05:27:43, PatMan wrote:
The MJ is not the cause of your CH. Smoking it simply triggers a response from your physiology which initiates a chain of events which ultimately leads to a CH attack. I'm afraid that the conditions already exist and will continue to exist whether you smoke or not. You are fortunate if you only get attacked when you smoke. For many people REM sleep triggers the CH. There are many triggers, different for everyone. MJ is only a trigger, you were probably born with the cause. Also, MJ is a vasodilator, and while the role of vasdilation in CH remains unclear, it is certain that there is the presence of abnormally dilated blood vessels during an attack. Good luck, -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by kim on May 16th, 2003, 7:14am Every time I ever smoked pot during clusters, it made it worse. So I stopped. I never went back to the weed, but following a cycle I've been known to hit the beer (which also exaccerbates clusters for me). Go figur. Best luck! These annoying idiotic people are the best in the World. ;D I don't know what I would have done without ALL of them! PS: Beatles Rule. Well wishes**** |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by cootie on May 16th, 2003, 1:49pm PatMan......almost typed packman...ha-ha-ha......jus jokein and nice ta meet ya. Brad can't drink when in cycle 'at all' even tho he found that out the hard way after about 10 tries...hard ta give up what relaxes ya and makes ya feel better esp after a hard days work.....but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Got a friend that smokes weed regular cuz he has glucoma....says he gets nasty ha's behind his eyes if he don't. Ya jus mite have ta give it up 'while in cycle' or if it's cause'n attacks.....same with the beer. Sad but true. Pot can trigger busts too Pam |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by cathy on May 16th, 2003, 1:55pm Hi PatMan....High and welcome to the board!! sorry you've gotta give up the smoke...never mind I'll have one for you..... :) on 05/16/03 at 13:49:30, cootie wrote:
ROFLMAO...!! ;D...thought for a minute I'd found an alternative to implants....but then I got the joke... :) |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by brain_cramps on May 16th, 2003, 2:02pm PatMan: While in cycle, I have to quit smoking completely. Its just another reason why these suck. While out of cycle, its almost a daily habit. I don't think the two are related at all. grant 8) |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by BobG on May 16th, 2003, 2:18pm Why is everyone, except don and jonny, being so PC with this thread. The man is a druggie and a drunk. He knows it and admitted it. When he hits rock bottom and can no longer function in society he'll get help for his dope and booze addictions, I hope. Until then he will continue causing himself pain and try to justify it by claiming to be the victim. Sorry Patman, but somebody had to say it. |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by JDH on May 16th, 2003, 3:00pm on 05/16/03 at 14:18:43, BobG wrote:
Geez Bob you make it sound like he's some sort of skid row junkie or something and I'm betting that's hardly the case. Believe it or not it is possible to drink and smoke in moderation and still be able to function as a normal productive human being. Sorry Bob but somebody had to say it. Jim |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by cootie on May 16th, 2003, 3:11pm PatMan.....ha-ha-ha.....Tommy Lee.........cool.......then I'm Pamela Anderson......even more cool !!!! ;) ;) ;) Wishin I was........wishin wishin wishin Pam ;D |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by kim on May 16th, 2003, 3:11pm Pssssst! (kim politely kicks BobG under the table, leans over and whispers: WTF does PC mean?)??? :D Blonde wannabe :D OOps, sorry, was I joking again. I'll stop. Promise. |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by jonny on May 16th, 2003, 3:14pm on 05/16/03 at 15:00:54, JDH wrote:
Moderation? Fuck that!!...open the flood gates, I function just fine...LMMFAO ;D Wanna buy my house?, only cost you over a 1/4 million....LOL ;D ........................................:D You are my "Pamela" Cutie :o |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by TomM on May 16th, 2003, 3:25pm on 05/16/03 at 15:00:54, JDH wrote:
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by BobG on May 16th, 2003, 3:38pm Jim you said it is possible to drink and smoke in moderation and still be able to function as a normal productive human being. Very true, but, the key word is moderation. He says beer(which I also do daily) Also? I take that to mean he’s smoking pot daily> He says I am having a difficult time accepting fact that weed could be "my" main trigger. But, when he stops the weed for 30 days and the Ch stops he still doesn’t want to “accept” there is a connection. He says I really dont want to quit smoking FOREVER! He’s denying he has an addiction. He says Im feeling depressed about not being able to smoke my weed that has been part of my life for so long. Habits and or addictions can be hard to break. He says I drink 6 pack/day,smoke 1 small joint/day,2 packs ultra light cigs/day for over 15 years now. Sorry to say this but that amount of drinking and smoking is an addiction. He says my month of total abstinance I felt much better(so good I started drinking few beers and tried smoking weed again). What he is saying is “Drying out felt good but being a victim feels better.” He says I too have been going around in circles trying to find thhe cause of these clusters for about 5 years.Unfortunately for me it happens to be something that I really enjoy. Yes it is unfortunate but he still continues to indulge. His tag line says I'm gonna throw the piggy off the hill !!! I say good for Patman. It won’t be easy but if he makes up his mind and admits to himself that he has a problem he can beat it. Been there…..Done that. I was also a drunk for many years. I know the excuses to remain a drunk.........I used them all. |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by JDH on May 16th, 2003, 7:28pm Bob, being herb friendly I guess I took your "druggie" reference kind of personal. :o I just don't agree that smoking weed, even on a daily basis can be considered an addiction. Mentally maybe for some but hell if you can deal with mental part of CH you should be able to JUST SAY NO smoking. I agree that smoking dope and a 6 pack daily is not exactly moderation...hell it's a freakin' party! And if it comes down to giving up something you enjoy vs CH then to me that's a no brainer. I'm not a heavy drinker but I do like a beer or three on the weekend and I have no problem giving it up when CH season rolls around. Luckily weed has never had that trigger effect on me so I can still use it when in cycle. pfdan's Jim |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 16th, 2003, 7:59pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by fubar on May 16th, 2003, 8:40pm Bob has a point. If a sixer a day, 2 packs of cigs, and a joint (essentially as much pot as quite a few bong hits) is your daily 'base' intake, then you have a problem with addiction. The expressions of depression at the thought of giving it up shows a real emotional attachment, and that's the only kind of pot addiction I've ever heard of. In other words, I've never heard of physical addiction to pot. In any case, PatMan, if it is the case, then I'm sure our words mean nothing. I've been dealing with addicts for far too long to believe that one would change his life because of a forum posting. But, we can tell you the truth. Your mileage may vary. -Fu |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by Not4Hire on May 16th, 2003, 9:04pm last post by PatMan: Today at 4:55am......(14 posts since....) ..howz about lettin' HIM get a word-in-edgewise....? and: Quote:
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by PatMan on May 17th, 2003, 6:40am Hi again :o There is no argument from me about my addictions.First off,I am NOT a skid row bum or anything like that.I work full time,own my home,married with 3 kids,and only indulge in my addictions when daily responsibilities are finished.I am glad someone brought this up though.I get h/a's AFTER smoking weed,I have dealt with much unneeded pain because I feel I need to get high.There is no denial here,I AM mentally addicted to weed and alcohol.Physically no,not yet anyway,but as for quitting drinking I am not ready.I am trying to change my lifestyle by cutting down drinking and quitting weed.If my little moderation plan does not work then I will have to abstain completely.Dont want to,but if I must,I will.My head pain is what prompted me to even consider stopping smoking,not crises.This thread is gonna help me out somehow,not sure how,but it has me thinking.Sorry to get off-topic on this board,but it did start cluster-related. ;) |
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Title: Re: Can marijuana trigger CH? Post by don on May 17th, 2003, 6:56am You are not off topic. CH is a quality of life issue. Ever heard the term "functional alcoholic/addict"? Quote:
First step in challenging and treating addictions is awareness/acceptance. Quote:
1/2 measures ussually dont work but change is difficult. Quote:
Everyone has a differant definition and intensity of "crisis" that has propmpted them to treat. For some it is total life collapse, for others it may be losing your parking spot at the country club. Either way it is some type of trauma that forces you to take a hard look at the causes. |
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