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Title: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by marty on May 4th, 2003, 8:10am Hi Ya'll Last week was busy! Last Saturday, I revieved a phone call while conducting a line-up with the guys (and gal) assigned to my watch. I was told about what had happened to Jill's dad and it was my job to go home and tell Jill. Since I work the third watch, there was nobody to tell about this except for a sgt on the 2nd watch as he was getting off work. This sgt agreed to work overtime and cover my shift. I also sent an e-mail to the Admin. sgt and left a voice-mail with the Assistant Chief requesting a 5-day emergency leave. Four (4) hours after I recieved the phone call about Jill's dad, Jill and I was on a plane for MD. I could not let Jill fly alone - medication and emotional state of mind. I arrived at the Ferrante home and it was a great experience meeting Barbara, Jill's Grandmother and family friends like Cindy and Linda. MD is a beautiful place and I felt very much "at home". I did have problems with my cell phone since it was almost impossible to call out. I did manage to talk to my partner at work and he told me that the Assistant Chief was taking care of my emergency leave request and that made me feel good. The following day, I spoke to my partner again and he told me that the Chief would not accept my request since it did not have my signature on it and it was not written on a special form that is usually used - therefore, the request was officially never recieved and I was considered to have abandonded my job. As you most likely wonder, is there more to this..? Yes, of course; The Chief started working for our Department a year ago, after being "forced" out as the Chief of Police in Cook County Illinois. Since he started he has implemented the policy: "If you are not 100% agreeing with me - you are against me". Well, the Assistant Chief, two Sgt's and myself, have questioned some of his " policy changes" and have been placed on his "against me" list. Right or wrong, when I arrived in San Diego yesterday, my partner picked Jill and I up at the airport and I was told by my partner that I would most likely be demoted or fired. I have been with this Department for 12 years, I have built the evidence Department, written software that is used by the Department, been decorated and commended for dangerous arrests, given life safer awards and only once been written up for Internal Affairs (for missing a supervisor meeting), etc, etc.. But I will NOT lick somebody's butt, I will NOT abandon my principles regarding officer safety and I will NOT continue to work in a hostile environment. I talked to my union rep this morning and of course we can fight this - but I wont. I will put in for my resignation and at the same time send a letter explaining this resignation to the City Board of Supervisors. My plan of action may change depending on another meetin with the union rep later today. I may let him fire me instead and then file a claim against the Dept. We'll see. Sorry for posting this here since it really does not have anything to do with clusters, but I got to let it out somewhere.. :D Jill is not out of the woods yet and Barbara need help with the farm. Jill also need to be with her mom so within a week or so, depending on Jill's MRA and when we can have it done, we will load the truck and drive to MD. I did check into State Corrections in MD and there is a chance that I will be hired on by them. There is always a reason why things happen in our life. I see it as a new beginning with exiting possibilities. Marty |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by cootie on May 4th, 2003, 8:16am You deserve the best Marty.....am hopein it all works out for you and be better then before.....yeah I agree things do happen fer a reason !! Lookin fer reasons Pam |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by OneEyeBlind on May 4th, 2003, 8:54am Hoping and a praying things work out for you Marty. And, yes, things do happen for a reason ...... glad you get that, cause you can take this and make something POSITIVE of it !!!!!! Good luck and keep us posted. Are ya stopping in OR, NY or PA on the way home (your new home) ??????????????? |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Hound_Dogg on May 4th, 2003, 8:56am Marty...Think about this. Why let this ignorant @#%@ win. Let the chief do what he's gonna do and see him in court. At the very least, you will get your message across a lot louder then through a letter. I'm real sorry for the hell you, Jill, and her family have been going through. But just remember we're all behind you, whatever you decide to do. Good Luck Jim |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by don on May 4th, 2003, 9:09am Hey Marty, You've invested enough with out loosing your job to. Fight it! |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Roxy on May 4th, 2003, 10:40am Marty, I'm really sorry for the situation you find yourself in, especially since this was none of your doing. I do agree with the other's above; things usually happen for a reason, whether we like what's happening to us at the time or not. Things usually do work out for the better. Stand by your principles and fight this. This may be happening just so his ass can get booted out by you. If you fight this, it sounds like you would be instrumental in helping everyone on the force. Good luck, and keep us posted, Tracey |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by jonny on May 4th, 2003, 10:52am on 05/04/03 at 08:10:04, marty wrote:
Marty, Do me a favor and never type that sentence again, Cluster talk or not we are a family first!! I agree with Don (Did I just say that?) fight the bastards, you got 12 years in.....dont throw that away because of some asswipe. Good luck to you in whatever you do, Bro ............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Linda_Howell on May 4th, 2003, 1:51pm UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE !!!!! Marty, I'm speech-less, but I'm also with everyone here. Fight this... LindaH |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by fubar on May 4th, 2003, 2:03pm Marty, You are a smart man, and I'm sure you'll do what's right. Cops have better ability than most to step back and absorb a set of circumstances, helping them make the wise decision. (well, some of them do ;) ). I hope you apply this same ability to your personal situation. Sometimes, it's silly to fight to stay in a situation where you know the cards are stacked against you, but other times it might be worth waiting around until someone shuffles the deck for you. -Fu |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by kim on May 4th, 2003, 2:09pm Marty, what happened BITES >:( ...........and I bet I know how it felt (or feels) to deal with that kind of human stupidity......it's all around us.... --------however,........when I read your post, I got such a feeling of optimism and arms got all tingly. Every thing does happen for a reason. Sometimes an ugly thing happens........only to serve as a catylist for something wonderful beyond our wildest dreams.........it is in that vein that I not judge what has passed, but rather urge you on to happier times in life -- for Marty -- I KNOW something really GOOD awaits you. I said it b4 and I'll say it again - I feel it in my BONES! --jonny and don -- sometimes we must choose - to fight (maybe we'll win, maybe we'll lose.....) or to LET GO! It's up to us as individuals to make that choice. Weigh it all out. Discover for yourself what is actually the victory :) Thanks Marty. :) You shine. |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Frank on May 4th, 2003, 2:51pm on 05/04/03 at 14:03:57, fubar wrote:
And then there are police chiefs. Couldn't step back and absorb a set of circumstances, helping them to make a wise decision... so they got promoted to the top. ;D |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Wendy the Brit on May 4th, 2003, 4:53pm Marty So sorry we don't know each other, and so sorry this has happened. Please don't make a rushed decision on this, this a way of life and career you are proposing to leave. I am sure you will make the right decision when the dust settles. I have no idea (sorry folks here- none of you do!) what is the right thing to do, only you know that, but for what it's worth- there is life after Policework. I was a Police Officer, I thought as a career for life. It wasn't and the shit got too much. I left and never regretted it for a moment. I had a very happy second career in HR. I also will never regret for a moment having been a Policewoman either, I hated it but learned a huge amount about myself and other people. I hope this all works out for you and Jill, but I also hope you don't 'burn your boats' in anger. Good luck W the B the ex Police Officer. |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by SommelierCH on May 4th, 2003, 4:55pm Marty, I am absolutely flabbergasted!!! …………..You’re a Cop?? Uhhh…..First, I’d like to say that all the all the references I have made about smoking a bong, were concerning the traditional “Hooookahhh” used for tobacco!! And…. “The Man in Blue is a Friend to You”!!! ……And, by the way, the address I gave you is wrong, I have recently moved to Guam. Dudester, There is no shame in playing the game, the way they force you to play. You are fighting for more than just yourself, now. Fuckem. All’s fair in love and war. If you have not kept a journal, with times and dates, of their fuckups, try to recreate one now, it goes a long way to supporting your case. The journal, is not, of course, hard evidence by any means (so, you can approximate) , but it shows their state of mind, and their repetitive actions. Copy all your evidence to CD, before the ax falls and access is denied. IMHO, don’t resign (if possible). Make them be the instigators. “Rope-a-Dope” baby, “Rope-a-Dope”. From Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” to Mohammed Ali, it is a proven passive/aggressive technique, that works. Use the Union’s resources to their full extent! That’s what we have been paying for, all these years. Document, document, document!! David J. |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Frank on May 4th, 2003, 6:10pm Marty, I may join the unemployment line with you tomorrow. Two weeks ago at work, I clicked one of the the mapped drives in "My Computer"... and found a goldmine! Which included lists of all 3,000 employees where I work, salary, performance review ratings... lists of employees on medical leave (and why)... medical and dental insurance records, etc. I mentioned it to my boss who seemed indifferent and suggested I ought to just forget it. Friday, I checked to see if it was still there on the network, and it was. I thought dammit, this isn't right... it is accessible to every employee there (we have 120,000 employees worldwide). So I notified the Director of Human Resources. I thought for a week beforehand that somebody's head is going to roll... since IT and Security are both responsible for network security (and they work for HR)... but the stuff I saw was put there by HR and should not be there. I'm hoping what I saw will simply disappear from the network before I go in to work tomorrow and that will be the end of it. I am also thinking that somebody in IT or HR is going to lose their job, and HR may try to hang the messenger as well. ??? |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Wendy the Brit on May 4th, 2003, 6:15pm Frank Don't you have Protection for Whistle Blowers in the US, we do here |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by cathy on May 4th, 2003, 6:27pm Marty, sorry you have found yourself in this situation. What will be will be...until then fight all the way! Cathy :) |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Not4Hire on May 4th, 2003, 6:40pm Dubya.....sorry about all the cabbage leaves ya have to carry around ..... (obscure reference to *having just fallen off the cabbage truck*).... but we DO have WhistleBlowerLaws.... which mean EXACTLY zero..... if ThePowersThatBe wanna fuck ya... they WILL find a WAY..... DAMHIKIJK.... that said: ......Marty! ......if ya have the first clue (and I'm sure ya do....) fight them arseholes! .....if it's worth it to YOU... if it's NOT, then it's all for the best.... and please pass my condolences to Jill and Barbara..... and then there's YOUR deal, Frank...... been there, done that... it was NOT pretty..... (different details, same theme).... you MAY be OK if ya didn't make too much of a stink... but these HighlyPaidA$$holes do not take kindly to having their *failings/lapses/fuckups* paraded before ANYBODY.... all I can say is : Watch yer back..... messengers almost always get KIA..... Quote:
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Frank on May 4th, 2003, 6:41pm on 05/04/03 at 18:15:15, Wendy the Brit wrote:
We have those laws here too. Unfortunately, my "positon could be eliminated", or I could be terminated because of a bad performance review (making sure the next one is bad), or they could claim that I was "hacking" their network. Hopefully none of those things will happen. But if it does, I have fought clusters for 14 years, I can fight them too. |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by jonny on May 4th, 2003, 6:44pm FUCKENEH, Frank!!! Steel hand rules!!!!! ................................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Frank on May 4th, 2003, 6:45pm on 05/04/03 at 18:40:47, Not4Hire wrote:
Mentioned to my boss (no details)... and the Director of HR (with details)... nobody else. Hopefully they will just fix their fuckup quietly. |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Wendy the Brit on May 4th, 2003, 7:16pm Hope so Frank Good luck to you and to Marty Love W the W |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Callico_Kid on May 4th, 2003, 11:24pm Marty, Glad you shared this with us. This is a cluster matter! Anything that involves a clusterhead involves the family. You have enough on your plate right now without having to deal with a Cook Co. reject. Hope you are able to resolve the situation properly and that it is him that loses the job rather than you. WE DON'T WANT HIM BACK!!! You guys on the sharp end of the stick are more valuable than that. Unfortunatly even in the PD the Peter Principle still applies and ____ floats. >:( Be assured that you are in our prayers along with Jill and Barbara. jc |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Mark C on May 5th, 2003, 2:28am Frank, I have had a similiar situation and I only have one word........... anonymous email. (http://www.thefreesite.com/Anonymous_Freebies/) Well OK, maybe two! ;D PFDAN's Mark |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Charlie on May 5th, 2003, 4:56am Ya never get a break. It sucks and makes about as much sense as wooden watch. (actually, there is one in England....I kid you not. Gotta love them) What gets me about this shit is that with life being so short and a constant battle, why do people waste so much time being such rectal apertures? Dumbth. I suspect the union will help you do the right thing. I agree with with the others and I think you'll do okay if you allow yourself some time so you can make good decisions. Good luck to you both. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by marty on May 5th, 2003, 8:39am Wow.. This sure took off like a rocket.. I was talking to a lot of people yesterday and I came to understand that there is an investigation that has opened up on the Chief.. ;D Appearantly, the SDTE (union) are going to the media (this will be good) and it is supposed to become public this week. This is not regarding my situation but it relates by dealing with other officers having been "rail-roaded" and disciplined for speaking up and questioning new policies. I have been adviced to do the following: 1. Submitt my resignation based on a "hostile work environment" where I see no other way out but to resign. 2. Include the fact that I feel forced to submitt this resignation and thereafter, file a claim - using the up-coming media coverage to show similar cases directly related to the actions of the Chief. There are other things to be included but the above is the main thread. A copy of this resignation will be sent to the Board of Supervisors, H&R and the union with an official reqeust that an internal investigation of the Chief be conducted to avoid further incidents like this one. Thanks for being there for me - I may sound a bit like i am whining, but damn it, I am pissed off. On another subject and just to clear the air; It has come to my attention that some are worried about Jill and refering to her being with me, as an "un-healthy" relation ship.. So, let's recap: When I first offered Jill to come to CA, it was when she was going through a very rough time. Most of you remember what went on and how some of us took action during that period of time before she came out here. Many were worried and it is still my belief that Jill came pretty close to the edge. Except for the initial "internet" contacts (and that includes all of us that became involved on the message board), nothing was done without Jill's parents being involved. Ralph was here and we had a great time - he was a very good man. As to what kind of realtion ship Jill and I have - I can type until my fingers fall off and still not be able to convince some that we do not have an intimate relation ship that sometimes is being refered to. We have a very close relation ship in personal matters but in no way, shape or form, am I taking advantage of Jill. As to the move.. Being from a cold and snowy Country (Sweden), I have for some time considered moving to a part of the US that have the four seasons. There is one message board member that can attest to that since she is a Realtor and I have asked her to look for suitable properties (country with an out-house ;D). Without going into details, I was asked to "pick" MD instead of this "other State". So, why did I write all this here? When I first came to this board last year, I had cycled out. I stayed on the MB since the people here are special in a certain way; we all share a pain that we hide from others - non-clusterheads. Sometimes we fight and argue, sometimes we laugh together after one of us have screwed up in one way or another and sometimes, we care so much that there are no limits as to what we will do for each other. I am not looking for approval, nor am I looking for support for my actions - I am looking for advice like I would from my own family, be it supportive or negative.. I value and treasure each one of you - you are truly a diverse and great bunch of people - you are my family :D Marty |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Kirk on May 5th, 2003, 10:44am Hang in there dude ;D Don't move to MD then you would be to far away to come over and go fishing in OR. Like CA we only have one season, which is rain. Not sure how it should be phrased but tell that chief to go suck a rock. Frank, if the head of IT is that dense your Corp is in trouble. Even I wont do something that silly. An open partition with that info jeeeeez. TTFN Kirk |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by CathiP on May 5th, 2003, 11:18am HEY, KIRK-You're in OR, too? I shoulda looked at your profile, but, ah well! Hiya, neighbor! For those who are still questioning motives or agendas, well, I have several things to say. First of which is this-some people can find trash everywhere they look- because it is in their minds. ;) Martin & Jill are amazing to be with. I had that opportunity in Jan. Prior to Jill's first visit, I called Martin- I knew Jill needed some respite, I read her e-mail to me, indicating that she was headed to the West Coast to be with Marty, as he had invited her, and she was comfortable with that. Marty & I spoke that day for over an hour. I became more at ease with the situation( I also have a sister who lives an hour away, and she promised to pick Jill up and put her on a plane if there were any problems.....didn't know that, didja, Jill, Marty?) I spoke with Jill daily.... and it is a wonderful friendship that has evolved between the 2 of them. Prurient? Inappropriate? Not in the least! When Jill returned to stay with Martin, I went to meet them. I stayed with them, only briefly, but I observed, firsthand, the relationship they have. It is nothing short of amazing. Martin is tender, caring, sometimes quite firm in his instructions to her, but NEVER untoward! He is committed to Jill's well-being.....and Jill has responded to his gentle, quiet, caring ways. "Nuff said. As for Maryland- well, much to MY chagrin, when I first met this man late one night at the airport, I discovered he is ALL cowboy! He has been looking for a way to leave his job-and still eat. All he really wants is some space to hang out, some animals, and enough to get by- that's be food & cigarettes. This is HIS opportunity! I'm gonna miss them both- it's much easier to jet down to San Diego than it is to head to the East Coast, but, now that the're both "under my skin"- a girl's gotta do, what a girl's gotta do......they better have a spare room! If perchance this "Odd Couple" :Pis traveling through YOUR town, I highly reccommend you make time to meet them both. You'll recognize them immediately.....he's the great big guy in the white Stetson, and she's the teeny tiny brunette, leaning on him, and they"ll both be wearing great big smiles! Cathi Cathi |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Kirk on May 5th, 2003, 11:29am The only question CathP is do they preferr Hunting or fishing. Although BBG Oysters in the rain is pretty good too. We enjoy getting the Wash. stae bird down here also, if the tide is low enough ;D Kirk |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by CathiP on May 5th, 2003, 12:17pm Well, Kirk- I think I'd find Jill a great lobster dinner, but Marty can have the oysters- perhaps the Rocky Mountain Oysters? :P :P :P :P Unfortunately, they are headed southeast.......which means(since Marty got lost on his way home from LA- they COULD end up in MEHEECO!!! Arriba-riba! I like picking on Marty ;D ;D ;D Cathi-a safe distance from San Diego |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Kirk on May 5th, 2003, 1:00pm Fresh right out of the water Dungeness Crab w/Garlic Butter BBG Oysters an Elk steak or roast on the BBG with maybe a few fresh mussels for taste. Now we could get fancy with a Chinook or Silver Salmon too, or both. That would be bribery though. Since he is a public employee, I'm not sure of the ethics involved. I think you and K and Jill could come though. Carrie would like to meet some other sufferers anyway. TTFN Kirk |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by OneEyeBlind on May 5th, 2003, 8:58pm Marty, just an FYI ... in case this helps. My sister-in-law is from Norway. She currently lives with my brother right outside NYC. She says the weather in Norway is compatible to the East Coast. I didn't believe her until I went to Norway. She's right !!!!!!!! Ya might just find a home away from home here on the east coast. You and Jill have a great trip cross country and stop wherever you happen upon a city with a cluster head in it. We want to hear of your travels !!!!!! I know I'll meet you soon enough, and Jill, I will get to see you again before summer is over !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by fubar on May 5th, 2003, 10:59pm [just my humble opinion, not looking for a fight] I'm still trying to figure out why it's anybody's business if Marty and Jill have a 'relationship' or not. Who, on a message board, is qualified to pass judgment on a situation where they have no knowledge or context of the true depth or breadth of what is going on. Absurd. And Marty, it sounds like you're well on your way to realizing some of your own important goals, which must be incredibly exciting for you. Right on. -Fu |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by brain_cramps on May 6th, 2003, 1:04am Wow!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o So Quotable!!! We're surrounded by BRILLIANCE!!! on 05/04/03 at 08:10:04, marty wrote:
on 05/04/03 at 14:03:57, fubar wrote:
on 05/04/03 at 16:55:55, SommelierCH wrote:
on 05/05/03 at 04:56:36, Charlie wrote:
on 05/05/03 at 22:59:36, fubar wrote:
and, the best for last... on 05/05/03 at 08:39:17, marty wrote:
You're ALL Amazing!!! |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by fjb on May 6th, 2003, 6:55am For those of you who are a little worried about what Marty is doing I thought I'd tell you about where he is going. Jill already knows-she lived here all her life. We live in a small community- St Marys County- made up of smaller communitys- the base, 4H, the Amish, neighbors, friends. Our unemployment rate is about 2% and we are a fast [sometimes too fast] growing area. We have 5 1/2 acres with a pretty big house and barns and gardens in the country. It isn't perfect but it is home. The great thing about this place is our friends. I don't know what San Diego is like, never been there, but when we go out to the store we usually run into people we know and a quick trip to the store can run into a couple of hours. The pace of life is slower here. Our friends are very protective of Jill, if they didn't like Marty he would have been crab bait in the Chesapeake Bay. They do like him though and he will have alot of people watching out for him here. He already does. And believe me if Ralph didn't like him he NEVER would have left her in San Diego, he would have move out there first. I am waiting for them to come home- they squabble like a pair of children and make me laugh in spite of myself. |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by marty on May 7th, 2003, 7:53am Maybe I'll join the Amish.. Do they have clusters? and do I get my own horse and cart? ;D ;D ;D But, on second thought.. then I could not drink beer, drive a truck, smoke, watch TV or any of the other things-that-are-bad-for-me that I love to do.. forget it! StopmakingmesignoffthiswayPam..Marty |
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Title: Re: Chief of Police - Kick in the butt Post by Jackie on May 7th, 2003, 10:45am Marty, We live in the heart of Indiana's Amish community. Dont' let 'em kid ya.....they do all the stuff you mentioned and more.... ;D Horses on auto are a big help after a Sat. night Amish "sing".... :P Jacks 8) |
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