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(Message started by: fubar on Apr 25th, 2003, 10:30pm)

Title: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 25th, 2003, 10:30pm
Well,

Jonny promised to send me a video about clusters.  I got *something* in the mail, but I couldn't find a video in it anywhere.  There was this big cassette-like thing that was full of tape (with no adhesive even, and black too, like anybody has a use for that?)  I ripped the cassette apart looking for a dvd video, but of course it wasn't in there.  Now what?  I suppose you want me to wind-up thing 3 foot pile of useless black tape again and stuff it back into the cassette thingy?

WTF?  It even had a label on it proclaiming it to be the cluster headache video "The Beast Attacks".  Whatever.

;D

-Fu


Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by cootie on Apr 25th, 2003, 10:34pm
sounds like you got a cluster video alright.....big cluster of tape........ok.....I know....if I don't know what I'm talkin bout shud dup Pam

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Jill on Apr 25th, 2003, 10:44pm
Sorry to hear that Fubar....

I do have a question though, why was the video sent to you? I thought that they, if anyone else was doing one -which if they are than great, were being sent to Sommelier?

I have a tape that I am sending Sommelier but now I am confused?

Or was this about something else completely and I am just a nut case today?  ??? :-/

Confused Jill

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 25th, 2003, 10:56pm
Jill,

Sorry for the confusion, this tape is the Aki Perterson & WETM-TV video on cluster headaches.  It was quite cool actually.  I even shared it with my children, giving them their first real glance into the beast that has invaded their lives as well as mine.  My twelve year old son prabably learned more than my 10 year old daughter.  She is just more in tune wuith things like this than he is, which isn't surprising at all given male/female stereotypes... (btw, she even told me she had searched on the web for information on cluster headaches.  Wow... times have changed.  I guess having a computer in 5 different rooms makes that happen)

My daughter gave me a great hug afterwards, and I reassured them that this cannot kill me.  I hope it was fair to share this with them at such an early age, but they feel the effects either way, so giving them information can't be bad, right?

-Fu

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 25th, 2003, 11:19pm
You are soooo lucky you posted that second post, reading the first one I was ready to rip big time.

Glad you you got some good use out of it, Bro......now send it to Sean ;D

.......................................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 25th, 2003, 11:58pm
jonny

Is there any way that a copy of the tape can be purchased?  I understand that it is probably copyrighted, but I would be willing to buy a copy, as it sounds very good.  Coming to Canada may be a problem, but there are a bunch of us clusterheads up here too and I would like to share it on this side of the 49th as it would save multiple hassles crossing the border.
Thanks
arby

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:09am
Ah shit, Arby.......your gonna make me do some digging in the archives.

How bout I put you on the list, Sean is going to get it next and he works a stones throw from me. I will make sure you get it next and you can do what you will with it...all I ask is that you pass it on....Cool?

...............................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:26am
jonny

Sounds great!! Maybe we can move it around a bit up here before it goes back your way.  If anyone up here (Canada) would like to see it they can e-mail me.  

Thanks jonny - check your e-mail

arby

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:37am
Jonny,

Are we restricted in reproducing it?  I could burn it to CD and send to any number of people.  Is there a way to get permission or even compensate the copyright holder if people just want fast easy copies of it?  I could even make an mpg of it and host to be downloaded by people with a username/password.  Just let me know.

Oh yeah, and this ain't no joke.  The tape stopped twice during playback, acting like it was binding up in the VCR, so there might be issues with tape life here.  I was able to get it started again, but my VCR will stop playing a tape if it senses that it is about to get eaten.

-Fu   8)

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by netniet on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:18am

Is it possible to send the video too the netherlands ???....

Net-

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by don on Apr 26th, 2003, 8:22am
copyright

It is right to copy.

Burn it Fubar. Burn it!

People burn store bought CDs all day long, haven't come across a single one of them doing fedreal time for it.

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 8:47am
Fubar,

The dude that made it is named Aki, you will be able to find him under "Members"...you can either ask him or just burn the sucker as Don said. makes no diff to me.;D

...........................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Marc on Apr 26th, 2003, 10:22am
Fu -

Aki is a Clusterhead and he put a lot of time and effort ($$) into that project. He specifically asked that his copyright be honered around here.

Contact him to see if something can be worked out.

Marc

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 10:28am
Marc....you goodie 2shoes.....LOL ;D

.............................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Marc on Apr 26th, 2003, 10:38am
Hey, we are not going to discuss my music collection, and where some of IT came from  ;D

I suspect that many of us have "bent" some rules with music and software copies, but this is Aki, a fellow Clusterhead and this CH.com..........

OK, he doesn't post anymore, but in my book - he's still one of us.

Marc  ;D

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 10:45am
I hear ya Bro, thats why im combing the archives right now looking for his address and info.

Man, being good is so much work....LOL ;D

........................................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 26th, 2003, 11:01am
Hey guys
Thanks for all the work you're putting into finding out about this tape.  Maybe it could turn into a small fundraising project for OUCH.  Most of us clusterheads who can afford it would be willing to pay a small amount for it for both Aki and OUCH to get a little out of it.  The idea of burning it makes sense both for the life of the recording and for getting it out to people.  Let me know how you make out.
Thanks
Ross

P.S.  I also know that clusterheads are innovative and would find a way for those who can't come up with the money right now to see it anyway.  ;) ;)

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Roxy on Apr 26th, 2003, 11:51am
We don't have a price set for the OUCH Cookbook yet, but I would think if people are going to be willing to pay $15 to $20 for a cookbook, they would sure be glad to pay for a copy of that video. I know I would.

Good idea guys.  :)

Tracey

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:09pm
I can't speak for Aki (I hope we find out how to contact him) but sometimes honoring a copyright means nothing more than giving credit where credit is due, and keeping the copyright plainly visible on the product.  Of course, it's up to Aki.

-Fu

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:11pm
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messages2/133479.html

Heres the link thanks to Frank, I get in those archives and I just start reading old posts. I could be in there for months lost with no food or beer and just keep reading. ;D

Thanks Frank!!!

................................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by BobG on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:53pm
Aki made the video for his employer, WETM-TV. The rights to the video probably belong to the TV station.

Aki made the video available here at CH.com at a very low price but very few were ordered.

Most people said "You buy one, copy it and send it to me free".  Cheapskates!

If you can afford a computer and web service to tune into CH.com then you can afford $17.50 for your own (legal) copy.

I have a copy and

NO!

I WILL NOT copy it. I WILL NOT lend it or send it.

Buy your own.

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:11pm
The copy I have going through the mail was paid for by DickR (if anyone remembers him) and he mailed it to me, I in turn mailed it to another clusterhead and so on and so on.

I told Aki I would not copy it but lending it out is a different story.

Sue me ;D

.....................................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Sean_C on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:22pm
Fu,

Please don't forget about me. Its a must see. Let me know if you need my address again, or some $$. Also if and when I do get it Arby, if jonny's cool with it, its yours next. Just let me know where its goin'

Sean

Also how you doin' on that book Cat :D

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Frank on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:23pm

Quote:
Heres the link thanks to Frank, I get in those archives and I just start reading old posts. I could be in there for months lost with no food or beer and just keep reading.

You don't have to go without food. Just get out the Easy-Bake oven, clean out your moms ashes, put in a new lightbulb, and you're all set. ;D

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:41pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:22:02, Sean_C wrote:
if jonny's cool with it


Damn right im cool with it, Arby (Ross) should get it next when your done with it Sean....put your money away Sean, its up to the clusterhead that gets it to pay for the next shipping.....I have Arby's address, Sean

Frank,
I miss that E-Z bake oven....LMMFAO ;D

..........................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:15pm
Housten, we have a problem.

The tape will not play anymore, for me.  My VCR will protect itself from eating tapes, and it is sensing that the tape is binding or something.  If someone tells me how to get a new one, I'll gladly pay and send to the next on the list, but this thing is one foot in the grave.

I'll send this one too, but I the next VCR might not be so kind (or maybe it'll just work, who knows)

-Fu

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:18pm
FUCK IT!!!

Burn the damn thing if you can, Fubar!!!

...............................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Sean_C on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:28pm
Oh no. Why am I always gettin fucked.
No ashes please. ;D, I'll do the burnin ;D I've been lookin forward to this thing for a fuckin' month now.
FU e-mail me and lets figure something out.

Sean

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Sean_C on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:33pm

on 04/26/03 at 15:18:16, jonny wrote:
FUCK IT!!!

Burn the damn thing if you can, Fubar!!!

...............................jonny


I'm a fuckin' idiot. Burn a copy right? FU are you there? He meant burn a copy..........do I smell smoke jonny LOL

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:42pm

on 04/26/03 at 15:33:11, Sean_C wrote:
Burn a copy right?  


Right ;D

............................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:44pm
Sean,

No worries... I'll send you the tape as-is.... it just doesn't work in my VCR.  I'd much rather find a way to fix it or make a copy.  I suspect this tape has been viewed, stopped, rewound, viewed, stopped, ad nauseum until it has become unstable.  In any case, I will send it to you.  It's sad that it's starting to fall apart.

Sean, I'm leaving on a business trip so I might not be able to send until next weekend.  Sorry about that.

-Fu

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:51pm
Fall apart?

That tape has been run maybe 8 times before you got it.

Theres no falling apart on that tape dude.

Could be your machine ate it?

.........................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Sean_C on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:51pm
No problem bro, my wifes nephew works for WLVI...............he's the coffee boy LOL, he said he can have a tech check it out for us. We might get lucky, if not I'll check out that Web Site and see if I can get another one for us. :)

Thanks FU

Sean

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by fubar on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:28pm
Jonny,

Spose it could be my VCR.  Maybe it'll be fine in a different one.  I don't use it all that much.  Hell, I'll send it to ya if you want (the VCR).

-Fu

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:34pm
Nah dude, just mail it to Sean......sounds like he got peeps that can fix it up.

.........................jonny

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 26th, 2003, 5:16pm
I had a VCR pack it in once - the sensor that detects the end of the tape would shut it off at any old time regardless of the condition of the tape.  Maybe that's the problem fubar?  I have e-mailed Aki at the address given here.  I would be only too happy to buy a copy.  As far as copyright, unless I'm mistaken, it can be lent as long as it is not for monetary gain.  That is always the rule I have followed anyway - my story and stickin to it ;D ;D
Ross

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by don on Apr 26th, 2003, 10:02pm

Quote:
As far as copyright, unless I'm mistaken, it can be lent as long as it is not for monetary gain.  


Does that mean it can be reproduced if the reproductions are not for monetary gain?

If thats the case then burn a dozen or so and ship them out to other Chers who can in turn burn another dozen and send them out.

In a copyright attorney can tell me in writing that this would be legal then the OUCH store could stock them and mail out on request with the S/H paid by who ever orders one.

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 26th, 2003, 11:57pm
don

Don't know on that one - I aint no lawyer and don't want to be one.  Great idea though - maybe there is a CHer that knows about these things.  We do have a border involved here too - maybe that can work for us? ;) ;)

Ross

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Frank on Apr 27th, 2003, 12:24am
You can loan your legally owned tape to anybody. What is illegal, is if another person copys it... for profit, or not.
(Except in the case where one person has offered to "save" the original tape. If he saves it, and destroys the original, that would probably be legally acceptable).

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 27th, 2003, 1:52am
It used to be legal for someone who purchases a legal copy of a copyrighted item to make one (and no more than one at a time) personal backup copy of said item,  But recently, the copyright law has been twisted and bend to the point that even that could be considered copyright infringement.  

Also, it should be legal for the person who purchased the item to lend, sell, or give the item away to whomever they wish as long as they destroy any copies they may have made.  But it is not legal for anyone to distribute any copies of the item, even if the original item has been permanently lost or destroyed, without permission of the copyright owner.

PFDAN.................................... Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Mikey on Apr 27th, 2003, 7:06am
Damn, ya'll figure something out, i want to see the thing.
Who do i need to e-mail, is it you jonny? or i'll just buy a copy if anyone knows how i can intouch with Aki.
I'll call an attorney and ask some questions about copying the tape, if we can, i'll make a dozen, shit.

Mikey,  ;D

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by catlind on Apr 27th, 2003, 7:12am
Okay now I'm pissed.  I was supposed to be next on the list after Sean.   >:(

Sheesh, what's a girl to do.  It's okay though, I'll forfeit my turn ;)

I'll just keep reading the book  :-*

When you figure out if you can copy it, someone please put me on a list of mail to's :)

Cat

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by achinghead on Apr 27th, 2003, 8:12am
Here Here... someone figure something out.. Id hate to be the one that gets stuck diggin the tape out of my vcr... Jonny... PLEASE ADD ME to the list... I wanna see it too.. whatever happend to the tape that was made a few weeks ago that was gonna be used for the Montel show? I ditto the thing about buying a copy.. if theyre for sale send me a copy and bill me...lol .. oh and by the way.. how do I know if Im on the list.. is jonny in charge of this project.... hope your keepin track if you are

Title: fuck the lawyers
Post by rumplestiltskin on Apr 27th, 2003, 8:19am
...its about respect. Some Clusterbud busts his ass to create something valuable. Simple dignity and appreciation for his efforts should count fer something.

Whan Roxy gets done with her cookbook or Jill her book.....I'll make copies for everyone on the old xerox. No need to send OUCH any money right?

good grief
den

My modification 4-27-03, 10:24 Central time : I am not inferring that OUCH receives $ for the video. My "Roxy" comment was for smart-ass example purposes only. Thought that might put it into perspective.

PS: When I first heard of the video last year my first response was a greedy...."somebody make me a copy". It was DJ or Bob P back then that posted a fine moral stance against cheating Aki out of his just rewards.

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by don on Apr 27th, 2003, 10:19am
Thats it in a nut shell Den.

thanks

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 27th, 2003, 10:23am

on 04/27/03 at 08:12:31, achinghead wrote:
is jonny in charge of this project.... hope your keepin track if you are


Nope!!!!  jonny is in charge of nothing, where ever the tape goes it goes I have nothing to do with it. Below is a link to a post typed by the guy who made the tape you can find his e-mail addy and write to him for a copy.


jonny has resigned from the tape thingy ;D



http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/messag
es2/133479.html

Just so you know, Den....Not a dime from the tape sales goes to OUCH. Just thought i'd mention that ;D

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Roxy on Apr 27th, 2003, 10:34am
Just in case anyone missed the link, here is a copy of Aki's post.


Posted by Aki Peterson (206.191.176.83) on February 05, 2002 at 04:39:38:
Quote:


Hello my friends! Did you think I forgot about you? Did you think I blew off the most important video project? Well, I’m sorry it has taken so long, but due to the events of September 11th, my timeline for finishing the project was delayed….
But the video is done! – And on the air I might add. We (WETM-TV, Elmira) are running the program in four parts this week during “sweeps.” Not only that, but the program is being promoted on one of the local radio stations as well. Lets just say it’s getting a lot of attention. Although a date has not been set, it will also run in it's entirety in the following weeks here on the station.
The video came out to 25 minutes – perfect for The Discovery Channel, The Learning Channel, etc. to run with commercials. Naturally it is available for sale – I’m sorry but I have to pay for tape stock, duplication and shipping so I can’t send it out for free, I hope you can understand. I did the work on my own time – to help keep the cost down, so there are no production charges tacked on. If you are interested, the price came out to $17.50 (this includes S&H). If you are interested or have any questions, feel free to e-mail me at ancp@yahoo.com – I’ll let you know where to send a check….I’d be happy to e-mail you a copy of the script, but I can’t mail out copies for preview.
Keep in mind that this video is intended mainly for people who have never heard of Clusters – as the information will probably not be new for you, however it’s an excellent overview of the disease to let people know what we go through and how we deal with it. It’ll great for family members, friends, YOUR doctors…etc. if you wish to order a copy or two…
Spread the word that it’s done, I want to get copies out to as many people as possible – I will continue to work towards getting it on other networks, etc. I hope this letter finds you pain free !

Sincerely,
Aki Peterson


I know technology has changed in the last few years, and maybe Aki wouldn't mind if someone with the ability to put the video on DVD did that.  Something, I'm sure, could be worked out with him on the money angle.

Sounds like a really good project for someone with the ability to do this....... ;D






Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by don on Apr 27th, 2003, 10:52am
OUCH will never make a dime on any theraputic support or educatinal item provided by OUCH.

Not on my watch!

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by jonny on Apr 27th, 2003, 10:55am

on 04/27/03 at 10:52:11, don wrote:
Not on my watch!


Why the hell did you ask me what time it was if you have a damn watch?

..........................jonny ;D

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 27th, 2003, 4:19pm
Cat
I wasn't trying to jump the line - didn't even know where it ended.  Just wanted to see the tape and maybe try to get a copy north for others to see.  More than willing to buy if I can.

Don
I understand your position on OUCH making money on such items - BUT - would this work: - OUCH act as distributor for Aki?  Ouch could then sell the tape(or CD or DVD) at cost plus a donation (or cost for those who can't afford it).  You would have to decide how much work it would be to run them through the OUCH store.  I have an e-mail in to Aki but haven't  received a reply yet.

jonny
Who said you could resign from anything.  If you are king the only way out is if you are beheaded.  Note I said BEheaded.  Didn't want you getting excited about the HEAD word. ;D ;D ;D

Ross

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by don on Apr 27th, 2003, 4:28pm
UUHHH Arby?


Quote:
In a copyright attorney can tell me in writing that this would be legal then the OUCH store could stock them and mail out on request with the S/H paid by who ever orders one.

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by arby on Apr 27th, 2003, 4:33pm
Don
Sorry - I have my days - just hope to have one soon!
Ross

Don
Just reread your post you took the quote from - seems you were still talking about lending - I was talking about selling at cost - totally different and totally legal if its done as a distributor for the copyright owner.  Once the owner is paid, the distributor can give it away if he wants unless it is stated otherwise in a distribution agreement.  After all that's where the phrase "lost leader" comes from.

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by catlind on Apr 28th, 2003, 3:48pm
Arby,

I was just having fun about the line up for the tape :)

I've got the book still so I'll have lots of reading to do.  I can wait for the video :)  Although we have emailed Aki to see if we can get more.  Then we'll send them around the circuit as well :)

Cat

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by ancp on Apr 28th, 2003, 4:29pm
I see there is some confusion over copyright laws in the U.S. and abroad.
You violate copyright if you:
Copy the video for ANY reason without specific written consent from the owner.
You show the video and CHARGE money for the viewing
(It’s OK to show it to any amount of people if you DON’T CHARGE money)
It’s OK to make a BACKUP copy, as long as the original is stored and NOT passed around.
It is a violation of copyright laws to show the video on any type of broadcast entity – TV, radio, Internet, etc.
Quoting from the video in press or magazines is also a violation of copyright (without written permission)

I have no problem with you sharing…but when I see you guys talking about “burning off a dozen copies…”  THAT pisses me off…
You do realize that you are WRITING your intent to violate my copyright on a web site…right?
If you REALLY think the FBI doesn’t prosecute copyright infringement, you are naively mistaken.

I hope I have cleared up some of your questions…

Aki Peterson

Title: Re: Cluster video
Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 28th, 2003, 10:18pm
Hello Aki!  I don't think anyone was really serious about trying to violate your copyright of the tape.  I think most here were either just joking, or just very confused as to the copyright law, and what is and is not fair use.  I haven't seen the tape personally, but I would like to thank you for the time, energy, and expense that you put into the project.  Have a good one!

PFDAN................................... Drk^Angel



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