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(Message started by: snuffster on Apr 13^th, 2003, 10:46pm)

Title: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by snuffster on Apr 13^th, 2003, 10:46pm

I'm male, so I'll start this by saying I mean no disrespect at all, but I was wondering, for those of you out there who have given birth that get clusters, how does the pain rate?

I know that giving birth has to be more painful, but just wondering how far below a Kip 10 is.

I think I'm just tired of people saying to me so what does your HA feel like?

I normally say It fell like a hot drill 18V Dewalt Drill is going in above my eye, but since most people haven't had that happen, they just laugh at me.

Depending how much prednisone, or what ever other steroid is in my system at the time, I either laugh back or throw something at them.

I was just trying to think of something more painful then a CH for a comparison, because I know when I'm in a K10 I'd rather be hit by a car then deal with it for another second.

Also, this is only my second or third post, I just want to thank you all for be so great!

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by catlind on Apr 13^th, 2003, 11:15pm

Sorry snuffster, but I have to disagree. Birth was not more painful than CH. It's an entirely different pain, but it is not unbearable. Hurts like a mother fucker no question, and I went natural, but it doesn't compare to a CH.

A CH will drop you flat in a matter of seconds. Labo(u)r pains start slow and build, so you adjust to them. If labo(u)r started out at the 9cm stage, then it would compare ... but it would be equal, not worse, in my experience.

I think CH is worse probably because labo(u)r pains are caused by muscle contractions, not nerve pain.

Cat

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Mastifflvr28 on Apr 13^th, 2003, 11:18pm

hey snuffster,
Birth is a 4 compared to ch's. :)

try birthing a watermelon out yer eye socket...tell them that.
Mast

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by don on Apr 13^th, 2003, 11:20pm

Quote:

I know when I'm in a K10 I'd rather be hit by a car then deal with it for another second.

Hit by a car numerous times while being beaten with thorn bushes, bled dry by leeches, and kicked in the groin by circus midgets.

Well maybe not in the groin.

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Mark C on Apr 14^th, 2003, 12:13am

Cluster headache (CH) is a strictly unilateral headache that occurs in association with cranial autonomic features and, in most patients, has a striking circannual and circadian periodicity. It is an excruciating syndrome and is probably one of the most painful conditions known to mankind, with one female patient describing each attack as being worse than childbirth. (http://www.clusterheadaches.org/library/general/management_of_ch.htm)

From the OUCH (http://www.clusterheadaches.org/) library.

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Karla on Apr 14^th, 2003, 6:27am

I gave birth to twins naturally with complications they were born 1 1/2 hours apart. I was in hard labor for 12 hours before the first one was born and hard labor the whole time between births. Maybe a kip8

My third child I didn't even know I was in labor and almost missed getting to the hospital on time. What pain I ask? Maybe a kip3

CH is the worst pain I know of.

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by TomM on Apr 14^th, 2003, 6:48am

on 04/13/03 at 22:46:23, snuffster wrote:

Depending how much prednisone, or what ever other steroid is in my system at the time, I either laugh back or throw something at them.

I don't know nuffin' bout birfin' no babies but...I've been known to run a few dowm w/ my Expediton. ;)

TomM

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Mikey on Apr 14^th, 2003, 7:27am

Guys,and Gals, what do you think about kidney stones?
Where do you think they fit in as far as a comparison?

I've past a total now of 26 stones, some very large (5-6mm) to ones i could'nt pass and had to have surgery like a 10mm stone. Then you have stones that are anywhere from 1-4mm.

In my opinion any stone that can be past with no surgery involved, dosen't touch the pain of a Kip10.

in comparison 1-4mm feels like a kip4, 5-6mm feels like a kip7, by the way, the biggest stone you can usually pass is a 6mm,anything above that is surgery.

So my opinion is that a kidney stone pain could only reach a kip7 in comparison to CH's.

Anyone else have kidney stones, that can give a comparison to CH pain?

Mikey, ;D

BTW: Docs that don't know anything about CH, will tell you that kidney stones are among the worst pain known to man. So maybe you can use this analogy right along with the birth anology. to help them understand the pain scale, especially if you have a medical history of either the stones or birth. ;D

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Mark C on Apr 14^th, 2003, 7:52am

on 04/14/03 at 06:48:42, TomM wrote:

I don't know nuffin' bout birfin' no babies but...I've been known to run a few dowm w/ my Expediton. ;)

TomM

LMAO!

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Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by NotH20 on Apr 14^th, 2003, 10:23am

Hey snuff - I would have to agree with Cat on this one - ch's are a heck of a lot worse than giving birth. YES even after 25 hours of labor with my second daughter.

One other thing is that there is a "reward" after giving birth - the only reward after a ch is just waiting for the next one to hit ya down. The beast tends to make your patience null and void.

Mikey - sorry, but I can't give my 2 cents on the kidney stones - thank goodness I don't have them! :)

Snuff - use ANY sort of story to try to explain just how painful these ch's are. The Dewalt is a good one and the kidney stones are good as well. I really like Mast's watermelon out your eye socket! ;) DrkAngl could really give you some good things to say - is Drk still around????

Mia

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Roxy on Apr 14^th, 2003, 10:35am

On a scale of 1-10. Childbirth runs around a 5. Ch's a definite 10. There is no comparison. I did the childbirths naturally, and I'd take it over and over again in comparison to clusters.

I've also had 8 major knee surgeries. All involving tendon grafts, ligament grafts, cadaver grafts and holes drilled into the bones....etc. Still doesn't touch a cluster on the pain scale. The walking on crutchs for 9 months afterwards is a pain in the ass though.

Tracey

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by hanisdee on Apr 14^th, 2003, 5:12pm

I have had three babies two of which were 100% natural and one with an epidural. A cluster headache is much worse and nothing to show for it in the end, except for a "hangover"!!!!

Chrissy

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Wendy the Brit on Apr 14^th, 2003, 5:19pm

I'm with all of you on this one, childbirth wasn't exactly fun but I'd rather do it anyday than have a Kip 10.

And you get loads of help and sympathy with childbirth, everyone has seen it on the telly and can half imagine how much it hurts. With CH no-one sees or understands and very few sympathise.

I also believe that a pain in your brain is the most terrifying pain of all. I never lost control and panicked in labour, but I did in my worst CH. Hubby was holding me down then to stop me hurting myself, he only had to hold my hand in labour!

W the B

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by Jarvis on Apr 14^th, 2003, 8:45pm

You women have no idea how difficult it is giving birth... Now some of us guys would compare it to a kip 10... We are usually at it for several days and even weeks before the child actually comes. We get up in the middle of the night go to the hospital half a dozen times for the first kid. (sorta like a 2 week CH cycle.) . We are constantly straining ourselves tring to feel something every time she says did you feel that. Even though we cant feel a bloody thing, we have to lie and say oh yeah. By the time the kid finally comes some of us are bloodied up from the squeezing and tearing of our skin. Not only that we have to either come and watch or pace like we have a CH sometimes for hours on end. While you all are getting coddled and laying back. (Thank god for anesthesia makes me feel better doc allways got pissed when I grabbed the mask) Afterwards we have to start calling a list of people to tell them she/he was so big and so fat, like a fish we just pulled outa the water, and then try and diagnose who excactly do they look like, again we have to lie and say looks excactly like so and so. (even though new babies are pretty ugly. after a few days they look excactly like me) Not only that but after calling 100 people I never heard of and repeating the story so many times, we have to come up with a name for the kid with moms in some kinda wierd frame of mind. I'd just as soon call em all Joe, but its impossible to negotiate this untill after about 3 months. Then while moms resting sometimes heaven forbid we gotta change them damn diapers but thats another story. But the part I hate the worst is when the baby tries sucking on MY breasts. How embarrassing! The exhaustion we men endure is akin to a 3 month CH cycle. So in answer to your questin snuffster I would compare giving birth to a k8 on the cluster scale. But then I have to be fair and say I never had less than a k10 so maybe theres no comparison.

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by suzy617 on Apr 15^th, 2003, 5:06am

Birthing babies, a piece of cake. I was put under both times so I missed out on all the pain.

The only other pain in my life I could compare to a KIP10 would have to be when my fallopian tube ruptured. Unbelievably painful, felt like (im guessing) being shot in the stomach. With that pain I couldnt move at all but with a CH laying still is not an option.

suzy

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by NotH20 on Apr 15^th, 2003, 7:35am

Very clever Jarvis! ;) Enjoyed that post.

Mia

Title: Re: Kip 10 Vs. Giving Birth
Post by achinghead on Apr 15^th, 2003, 8:26pm

i had kidney stones about a month ago. I went from 5 pm til finally passing it around 1145 that night.. I dont think it compares with a CH... not at all.. Even though it was the 2nd worst pain Ive ever had it still doesnt compare.. I read that the comparison is like"amputation without anesthetic" but I wouldnt know that either... just my thought on kidney stones.. incidently.. Passed it while in the midst of my cycle(which still isnt over)