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Title: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by DaveHar on Apr 1st, 2003, 9:03pm Well Michael I have confermed all my appointments and will be there Saturday Morning. I will meet you by 9AM in front of the ER entrance. I should have been cleared for discharge by then. See ya there |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by catlind on Apr 1st, 2003, 9:11pm Why does that sound ominous? No one is going to need the ER are they? LOL Cat |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 1st, 2003, 9:57pm That's a big complex there - is there a seperate ER for the VA or do you mean the Vanderbilt ER? michael |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by cootie on Apr 1st, 2003, 10:28pm Are you guys callin each other out......jus wonderin if we should be takein bets Pam |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 1st, 2003, 10:36pm Quote:
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by cootie on Apr 1st, 2003, 11:24pm Yeah.....lets all go where there meetin and throw ourselves down in the streets and carry signs and chant.....just any old protest sign will do cuz were not sure what were protestin.......we can all yell 'hell no we won't go'......maybe we can get creative with duct tape so no one can break it up. I'll bring the beer and the rocks Pam |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 2nd, 2003, 12:12am I'll be the one protesting protestors... PFDAN................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 2nd, 2003, 2:00am Im gonna show up in my underwear so he knows i'm not armed. :o you may think im joking |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Ted on Apr 2nd, 2003, 2:48am Michael, I shall be on my shitter on Saturday at precisely 8:53 AM. I am scheduled for discharge at 9:01. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 2nd, 2003, 3:38am Don't worry Ted ...... no "discharge" necessary (although i'm glad you've got my back) I'm going to bring a white flag and my camera and post a peaceful truce pic onto this thread of Dave and I shaking hands. He felt like I was one of the people who were like the vietnam era-protestors who had been disrespectful to and ignorant of the personal sacrifices of the returning soldiers. here's a sample "your kind has caused more violance on our home land then any other. You are the ones who start the riots when you talk of peace. You are the ones who made our troops unwanted and hated on their home land when they were only doing what their goverment asked them to do! You are the ones who hurt our service memebers and make them feel unwanted in their home land." So I guess I'm going to go there and explain that I'm not like that and dont know anyone who is. If I DID know someone who was going to spit on soldiers or something, I would take them aside and 1st figure out WHY they are behaving that way and 2nd explain that these soldiers have sacrificed their own freedom and safety to protect ours, They take orders from a chain of command and should be judged on an individual basis, which is taken care of by military courts. I feel that dave is doing to me what the protestors did to him and his friends. Blaming him for their anger with the administration and using the returning vets as scapegoats. Same with this on a tiny scale ... dave is pissed at someone, yelling at me, but I have started no riots or dissed the servicemen. As i said I attended the protests BEFORE the war started and they were peaceful & respectful. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2003, 9:56am don't wear underwear on your head or you'll be a target ! Try a pink sparkly thong and bottle of Ripple wine....that'd be a nice peace truce look esp for pics Pam |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by echo on Apr 2nd, 2003, 11:29am on 04/02/03 at 02:48:10, Ted wrote:
Thanks alot Ted! Didn't see that one coming. Nothing compares to the feeling of coffee spewing out of my nose. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by CathiP on Apr 2nd, 2003, 3:39pm Echo, Are you tring to impress the women with your talents again? |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by echo on Apr 2nd, 2003, 3:55pm Did it work? Hey ladies -- A Fat, bald, male, 48 yrs, tatted, lesbo trapped in a mans body, capable of caffenated nostril discharge and married to a crazy homonally challeged female is here and ready for multiple cyber affairs. Whaca think Puddin? |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by CathiP on Apr 2nd, 2003, 4:05pm I'm thinkin' I have a headache........... :o :o :o :-* |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by CathiP on Apr 2nd, 2003, 4:25pm Okay, Okay, headaches all gone---- Little did I know you were one & the same with the cueballistic stud-muffin I know & love........ so, I'll meetcha at the 7-11- y'know, the one where the red car is parked? I'll be there at PRECISELY 121 minutes past the hour.........oh, and wear that chartreuse thingamajig, wouldja? Yreverlovin Puddin' |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by echo on Apr 2nd, 2003, 4:45pm I've been robbed. I had a real niffy comeback to the headache and now it's gone! Most of my network connections crapped out about the same time but that should not matter. This is the CH MB! Cathi -- must remember I am a male, or at least so I think by the equipment attached to this frame. But I digest, (burp!), I only understand blue, red, orange, black, brown, green, yellow and their cousins light and dark. sooooo what color is chartreuse? Is it a common color on a trout? Is it a residual color after being hit by a hockey puck? But I'll be there. Save me a glazed energy biscuit. Thanks |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Leesa on Apr 2nd, 2003, 8:13pm Hey Michael, VA emergency room And one last thing....there is no confusion about prosters to the WAR. If you protest you are hurting our service men and women. It is that plain and simple. See ya Sat Dave |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by jonny on Apr 2nd, 2003, 8:18pm LMMFAO!!!!!;D Your going to meet Dave, Mike? LOL!!!! Good luck! ...........................................jonny |
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Title: following orders Post by rumplestiltskin on Apr 3rd, 2003, 2:35am My Lai Dachau Wounded Knee Golgotha Sabra and Shatila New York City 600 (and climbing) Iraqi civilians From Eden to Baghdad etc...etc...etc "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." Ghandi Freedom never came from a sword. Till they learn the art of making amends and forgiveness, people will never hear the bell of freedom ring in their hearts. Two things men never forget: Holding a child and holding a child in their crosshairs. Peace den |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by cathy on Apr 3rd, 2003, 6:50am on 04/02/03 at 16:05:22, CathiP wrote:
echo...hunny I don't ever get headaches... ;) Cathy |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by RetUSN on Apr 3rd, 2003, 6:53am I am a Nam vet and a Gulf War vet. I been spit at and red paint dumped on me by so called peace protesters. I was angry and hurt and being 19 not sure why people would want to do that to me since I joined the military to retain our freedom. I look at the protesters now and it brings back bad memories of what I went through. Only difference is now I'm older and my perspective is different than before. If it wasn't for us (vets) the protesters wouldn't have the freedom to protest. Are they cowards, probably not. Are they scared probably so. War is hell as the old saying goes. Some one has to do it and I chose to do it as many of us have. Is it worth another fight to prove a point between a protestor and a vet. No it really isn't. When our service men come home they will know that we are and will always be behind them. By opinion on protestors are if it wasn't for me and my fellow vets you wouldn't be on the streets with that right of protest. Let it rest. The welcome home I got from the Gulf War has helped to cope with coming home from the Nam. Let them protest, we will be there to show our support for the troops. Dave, what I guess I'm trying to say is smile and let Michael know we gave him the right. Ralph (Freedom Giver) PS Jill gets the talking from me. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 3rd, 2003, 7:23am Me thinks Michael is about to enter the REAL world |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by tommyD on Apr 3rd, 2003, 7:39am Good thoughts, Ralph. I opposed, and protested agaisnt, the Nam war, but I never understood why someone would put the blame on the soldiers. Have to say that I met very few protestors who thought that way, and when I did, we would get into it... the debate on the board here recently looked like Sunday school compared to what I would tell those not a very nice persons. Our service people risk and give their lives to defend our freedoms. Without them, we wouldn't have the right to talk about this. But it's not enough. Freedom is not automatic. It won't suddenly spring up because our fighting forces have secured our borders. The rest is up to us civilians. WE have to make sure to protect freedom from those within this country who would take it away... that means we have to stay engaged with public affairs, stay informed, let our elected officials know what we think, keep an eye out for attempts to take rights and freedoms away. And vote. And discuss issues ...like we have been doing here...though we also need to keep it civil, of course. Most immediately, there are some things we can do, more directly reated to freeddm. Specifically: oppose the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003," also known as "Patriot Act II," that John Ashcroft wants to push through Congress. More specifically and locally -- we need to get good citizenship education back in the schools. In many areas it has been pushed out of the curriculum. Do you old-timers remember civics class? "Problems of Democracy" or P.O.D. they called it at my old high school. Many high schools no longer teach this, or have reduced the course lengths and requirements. Jefferson felt the main purpose of public schools was to educate citizens so they could take part in the democratic process. Now this is being forgotten. This mundane and boring issue is critical to maintaining freedom over the long term. My hope is the troops will come home soon. All of them. What they come back to is up to us. Let's not let them down. -tommyD |
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Title: Re: following orders Post by Slammy on Apr 3rd, 2003, 11:23am on 04/03/03 at 02:35:10, rumplestiltskin wrote:
Oh, you mean that dead guy from India? Didn't he die by violence?! :o Hell, you might as well just quote the Bible! Christ died by violence too! and he's more quottable! ;D Quote:
No, but freedom never won out over tyranny and dictatorship WITHOUT the sword either! Hmmm how the fuck did we get Freedom here in the "NEW WORLD" ? Oh yeah, I remmber, we negotiated with the French and the Indians.... ::) Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 3rd, 2003, 11:41am Got a good deal to. Yelled at the French and they ran away. CLams and beads to the indians. (feel a little bad about that one) |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by TomM on Apr 3rd, 2003, 1:30pm on 04/02/03 at 16:25:37, CathiP wrote:
I got $5.00 if you want a room. ;D TomM 8) |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by catlind on Apr 3rd, 2003, 1:59pm UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was forwarded on to all here and we were told by the commanding officer to stay away from all peace protests. I can't even go where I want because of the danger to my person for the mere act of being married to a military man. Geez. Cat DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY WASHINGTON RESIDENT AGENCY, 3D MILITARY POLICE GROUP (CID) UNITED STATES ARMY CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION COMMAND FORT MYER, VIRGINIA 22211-1101 CRIME PREVENTION FLYER 0078-03-CID041 1. The CID mission includes not only investigating crime, but assisting the command/community in identifying crime-conducive areas or conditions which affect the safety and security of personnel and equipment within this command. This flyer is a crime prevention service to the command. Below is a situation we feel worthy of dissemination. 2. SUMMARY OF INFORMATION: On 27 Mar 03, this office received information indicating DoD personnel whose privately owned vehicles are identified with a Department of Defense (DoD) registration decal should make all attempts to avoid any Anti-war protest. The information disclosed that a DoD family member while driving her vehicle and stuck in traffic was identified as having a DoD sticker. At the time there was an anti-war protest under way. When her vehicle was observed by the demonstrators, a member of the group yelled out "war bitch" and her vehicle was immediately surrounded. While some of the members pounded on her vehicle with their fists, others "keyed" it and wrote the word "peace" on the paint finish. 3. It is recommended DoD personnel should avoid these protest at all cost. Even though the protesters proclaim on National TV that they support the military members involved in the war in Iraq, there are numerous members of the various Anti-war groups who do not share this view and will assault DOD members once they are identified. 4. Crime prevention is everyone's business. This information is provided to assist you in the enhancement of the crime prevention program in our community. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by RetUSN on Apr 3rd, 2003, 2:17pm Cat, I got the same message. It's a shame that our freedom is being taken away because of a few idiots. Isn't that what terrorism does? :'( Ralph |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by catlind on Apr 3rd, 2003, 2:23pm You said it Ralph. Terrorism is exactly what it is. What a sad state of affairs. Cat |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by TomM on Apr 3rd, 2003, 2:25pm on 04/03/03 at 13:59:15, catlind wrote:
MichaelC--get it now? TomM |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Frank on Apr 3rd, 2003, 2:31pm All the employees where I work got an email this week from security saying that anti-war protestors have decided to begin targeting defense contractors. They may block entrances, yell obscenities, and throw urine rocks and bottles at me. Tells us how to enter and leave the facility including alternate entrances if they block the usual ones, not wear employee badges off the premises, and not tell anyone where I work. So basically, I'm a target because I build weapons for a living ??? |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 3rd, 2003, 4:02pm Sure tom, I "get it", a very small and stupid faction of extremists is starting violence at protests - but don't you "get" that having people like myself at the protests keeps things in balance. If I saw or heard of any of the protestors I know being involved in violence of any sort - I would pull them aside and figure out what their REAL problem is and fix it. The people that cause these problems are no more representative my views than the "ultra-patriots"(who beat up the Protestors who actually are Peaceful) represent yours. I'm mean, that's what were fighting for right ..... Everybody's right to Think exactly the SAME way? But Seriously .... I am here to keep things grounded ... we have enough conflict already, there is room in this country(and board) for ALL viewpoints. I have a letter written last week from a USA military serviceman, Involved in this conflict - who says he is "GLAD & PROUD to fight for your RIGHT to PROTEST, and see no reason for servicemen or vets to be offended by excercise of Free-speech" So neither side is 100% homogenous, some soldiers are taking a very tolerant and broad-minded viewpoint on this and some protestors are taking a very Narrow-minded and Stupid approach to making their point. what else is new? |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Charlie on Apr 3rd, 2003, 4:41pm http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/WKOSIT sign.png I duuno. As soon as someone in a demonstration even threatens to do something like that--and after some of you beat them to a bloody pulp, call the police and tell them you'll shut down this protest for the day, try help the victims, and make damn sure it won't happen again. You're right, it's a minuscule portion but this isn't what it's all about. Clean out these mental defectives and try again when you're sure there gone. This is beyond sad. It's criminal. Charlie |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by catlind on Apr 3rd, 2003, 4:59pm Michael, I am not trying to imply that you personally are involved in protests of the nature mentioned above. I am just pointing out that this is occuring. It sux bad. Both sides have their idiots, but that kind of stuff is, as Charlie said, criminal. My girlfriends mother was driving off a base, her son in law is in Iraq, and some 8 year old kid with his father, protesting at the gates of the installation, took his 'toy' gun and pretended to shoot her. Is that any way to raise a kid?? I'm sorry but anything of that nature is absolute bullshit. I feel sorry for the first SOB that finds me and my DoD sticker. I can honestly say if that had been me and my DoD sticker, I'd be in jail for vehicular manslaughter. I'd have run the fuckers over. And not because they were protesting, just because they threaten my way of life. I disagree with protests after the fact. The time for it is before, not after the conflict has started. And that's all I'm going to say about that. :-X Cat |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by TomM on Apr 3rd, 2003, 5:14pm on 04/03/03 at 16:41:41, Charlie wrote:
Charlie--thanx for keeping us grounded. Quote:
Cat--Yup. I agree. Your rights end when they infringe on my rights. Quote:
If your excuse is "keep the balance" go right ahead. My excuse will be "shit happens". ;D TomM 8) |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by jonny on Apr 3rd, 2003, 5:25pm on 04/03/03 at 16:02:59, michaelc wrote:
I got a $100 that says if you greeted the soldiers as they got off the plane and told each one of them that you protested 9 out of 10 of them would not only punch you in your face, they would boot you in the head and laugh. .................................jonny |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 3rd, 2003, 6:48pm jonny, then they need to turn around and get back on the plane to Iraq or somewhere it's OK for military to assault citizens. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by jonny on Apr 3rd, 2003, 6:58pm on 04/03/03 at 18:48:33, michaelc wrote:
If I watched my brothers fall dead next to me and came back to your shit assed face telling me you protested I would kill you!!!! I would do my time knowing I did right by the brothers that fell dead by my side fighting for you to die by my right to kill you and pay the price. ................................jonny |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by cootie on Apr 3rd, 2003, 7:22pm From the way it sounds here to me.....protesters have NO FUCKING RESPECT !!! Arghhhhhhhhhhh gettin pissed here Pam |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by jonny on Apr 3rd, 2003, 8:07pm Hey Cutie........Check the pic. OPIE!!!! .........................................jonny :D |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Mark C on Apr 3rd, 2003, 9:24pm |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by brain_cramps on Apr 3rd, 2003, 9:34pm ROTF LMMFAO Mark C ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D grant |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:23pm Quote:
If you had ever made that coment to my face I would have beat you to within one inch of your life, dragged your pitiful lump behind a dumpster, made you my girlfriend, then dumped you on the front steps of the local American Legion hall. You better pray if we ever meet its also in front of an emergency room. My apologies to the board for taking this here. GOD BLESS AMERICA FUCK YOU PEACE PROTESTER |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by cootie on Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:50pm Psssssssssst........Opie........dude........yer gettin a cell ! Pssssssssssty-Pam |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Jarvis on Apr 3rd, 2003, 11:01pm Don ya havin a bad day. Your startin to sound a lot like that guy we are fighting against. Names Saddam. doesnt believe in free speech either |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 3rd, 2003, 11:07pm Bad day? That little prick just spit on three generations of my family. ALL MILITARY. You got a problem with that you can take a run at it to. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by ken_b on Apr 4th, 2003, 1:42am Very well put don!!!! i agree with you %100. ken |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by TomM on Apr 4th, 2003, 8:12am on 04/03/03 at 23:07:46, don wrote:
I'm with you Don; I won't stand behind you because I'll be right next to you! Me and my 2 sister all have military connections; I'm a vet, my sis is a Coast Guard O-6; and my eleds sis is married to a navy vet. This guy has no respect and yet has the balls to DEMAND it from us. What I posted lst time: "Shit Happens".... TomM 8) |
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Title: If I sawRe: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Wendy the Brit on Apr 4th, 2003, 8:28am Michael You said "If I saw or heard of any of the protestors I know being involved in violence of any sort - I would pull them aside and figure out what their REAL problem is and fix it" You've heard my voice here before , but you really worry me. The above sounds awfully messianic again. Are you quite well? Have you had these feelings of being able to solve everything for long? Have you talked to someone about it? By the way, my little boy who is three saw your new picture and decided you looked very frightening. He seems to think you are Action Man's arch enemy, Doctor X. I have to say, I kind of agree with him, you do look very sinister. No offence meant, it's just something to do with the stare and the red patch. Wendy |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 4th, 2003, 10:13am HMMMM? Offends adults and scares children. Your batting 1000 pal. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Leesa on Apr 4th, 2003, 8:09pm MichaelC, I havent said too much up this point, but ya know if it were not for our founding fathers of this country fighting to have the freedom of speech, press, to keep and bare arms etc. we here in the Good ole U.S.A would still be under the rule of the Brits!!!! (no offense to our ladies and gents across the pond) I for one LOVE my country and the rights I have to say what I want to say when I want to say it! I have rights that those over in Iraq dont and never will as long as Saddam is in power. They cant say what they want for fear they and their family will be KILLED! The people of Iraq have no idea what freedom is. They will continue to die if nothing is done! Did you protest when we were over seas during Desert Storm, Somalia, and Bosnia?? Somehow I dont think you did then again I am more then likely wrong. I come from a long line of military memebers. My father, brother, cousins, uncles, aunts, 2 ex sperm donors, and loads of friends whom are over there now! I must say to you in the words of my father to my sister during Nam "if ya don't like it fucking leave it!" If you can't or won't stand behind our troops and our Commander and Chief then do us all a favor, STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE AND THE PILL JUST WILL NOT REACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR keep your mouth shut to the rest of us who do support our troops!!!!!! I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS 110% |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Charlie on Apr 4th, 2003, 9:31pm Don’t turn Michael into something he isn’t. He is not an America-hating, unpatriotic, Saddam-loving, nitwit. He at least pays attention. With the long history of our bloodthirsty species, I believe that there are necessary wars. I don’t think this one is, but we’re there and getting rid of this monster is one thing that might make it less painful than it already is, (if you think running around and dying in Iraq makes any sense at all). This thing in Iraq is a different animal. It’s a war of our choosing, which is rare for us. It’s war in which George Bush and friends seem to delight. Isn't it great that Bush is planning on giving Iraq universal health care and rebuilding its schools? Here, billionaires get a tax cut and things like Medicare and education get less funding. Gotta really love the CIC. Charlie |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 4th, 2003, 10:42pm Quote:
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Ree on Apr 4th, 2003, 11:55pm Someone over heard Tims (Seans buddy) 6 year old neice singing about how she was proud of her Daddy and her Uncles in the service... approached her and started screaming at her that her Daddy is a murderer... thanks to bystanders they grabbed the guy and sent him on his merry way... OHYA that was truly peaceful, screaming at a 6 year old~~~ Another coward that can't face the realism that is occuring every minute that our kids are over there. Peace Ree |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 5th, 2003, 4:10am the way i see it, i'm exercising my right of free speech and you folk are advocating violence and the stifling of free speech and the deportation of people who don't like this administration or agree with the war! fuck that - it's not very american. and wendy, i'm not messianic, but i think talking to someone and trying to understand why they hate soldiers or whatever, and then explaining why you dont hate them will go a lot farther than assaulting them , punching them or threatening them with deportation or the other tactics advocated on this board for dealing with folks of differing orientations. and screw this - i'm not getting up early on saturday morning, standing in the rain & being late for work so some dude can yell at me because he had a bad experience with some hippies or something. Based on the way this board is - i have no clue what to expect except at the least an earful and at the most a facefull. Fuck getting assaulted by a pissed off vet, I DONT FIGHT unless there is a DAMNED GOOD REASON. I really don't think this is one ......... If dave will promise to talk, I will promise to listen. If dave has other intentions - i'm not interested. If we can reach this kind of pre-agreement then I'll be at the VA next time you go to get your O2 refill or whatever. Sorry the pic scared someones kid! It's supposed to be unsettling, that's the "in Cycle" pic w/ the Ch pain in orange, i will post a Happy one when i'm sure this cycle is over |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by michaelc on Apr 5th, 2003, 4:31am Here is the full text my friend recieved from her Brother, a soldier who's in Iraq right now. Not all servicemen only see ONE point of view, and many are comfortable with free speech and freedom of expression ....... even (gasp) Protests! This guy is working hard, do you think he really wants to come back to the 'homeland' and find that "patriots" kicked his younger brother's ass for using the freedoms he was supposedly over there fighting to preserve? http://www.planetaryhealer.net/chart/hey.jpg http://www.planetaryhealer.net/chart/patriotic1.jpg sorry Jonny, i know ya hate long posts. But at least it's a soldier letter and not a rant from me. "I don't believe that you are unpatriotic or un American, your position exercises all the freedoms that America is lucky to have. Being able to voice your opposition to our governments policy is what proves we have a free nation, and shows the great contrast between America and many other countries. Not going with the majority takes a lot of courage sometimes and standing for your principals when derided by many is very hard. Many people on both sides of the line are simply doing what is either popular or easier and don't develop their own real view of right or wrong. I'm sure plenty of people I went to college with are protesting just because its the thing to do and getting arrested makes a great story when they are trying to convince others of what a repressed nation we live in. I picture them feeling wonderful and benevolent about themselves for sitting in traffic and beating a drum while spouting off every cliche' for peace they can think of but don't understand. I also see the ignorant flag wavers who feel its easier to go with the crowd than develop their own opinion. They all want to turn Iraq into a parking lot and do their best to spread the legend of American arrogance globally. I have no use for either type of person so luckily I have a sister with a brain and the wisdom to use it to decide for herself. I take the time to decide these things for myself also and don't jump to conclusions, I have no illusions that the U.S. can do no wrong. And I take responsibility for my actions rather than use my oath as a shield. I take my job seriously and will live up to every lawful order but the space between my ears is still my own and I only fill it with what I decide goes in there. I know that the critics of the war are not against the troops. Nobody I know is afraid of a Vietnam backlash against the soldiers. I'm sure that someone out there is against us but that is not a popular opinion so they will not get noticed. Many say its time to put differences aside and back the president, we are committed and need the support. It is nice to see the "pro" rallys on TV. They aren't violent, they don't close bridges, nobody is gassed. Maybe its just our Nazi paramilitary police force taking their angst out on the altruistic peace loving anti-war protesters I see on TV, but somebody picks up a rock. Weird because everyone loved the police and firefighters after 9-11 now they take more shit because they use force. Its a hard job and they put up with shit 24-7, I know some abuse the power, I know plenty of not a very nice persons. But its never just "the police are bullies" or "the protesters were violent." See it from both sides. Anyway you aren't an Anarchist satan Nazi, or whatever you hear. I don't feel betrayed by you. I think you got the emotions and I got the sarcasm in the family." Matt |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by tommyD on Apr 5th, 2003, 7:12am Part of an article on people's views of the anti-war protests in Wednesdays Christian Science Monitor. Entire article at: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0402/p01s04-woiq.html The troops' view on protests Those who protest insist, for the most part, that they support the troops. But cries of "Bring them home!" are all but drowned out by ubiquitous war coverage. Over in the Gulf, news of protests often does reach those in uniform, who have mixed views about the demonstrations. At an air base in Kuwait, some servicemen agree that demonstrators have the right to oppose the war - and appreciate the support some offer the troops. But others argue that, given the chain of command, there's little distinction between opposing the administration and opposing those in combat. "If they are not backing up those that are in charge of us, then in the long run, they're not backing us up," says Tyler Aholt, a member of a Naval construction force called the Seabees. "I've considered if some of the protesters even understand the whole idea of war: Without war, how can you have peace?" Still, servicemen on this base are more tolerant of protesters than they were before the war, when the antiwar movement was seen as dragging out the diplomatic process - and forcing a delay that kept them in the desert longer. "A lot of people might say [protesting] sends the wrong message to Iraq," says Maj. Tony Figueroa, a C-130 rescue pilot. "But I believe it sends the message that we're a free country." |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by catlind on Apr 5th, 2003, 8:14am Ok, now that is just fucking unacceptable!!!!!!!! Ree, who where when how. I'm DEADLY serious. Get that fuckers name. He's about to find out what happens to someone who fucks with the children in this family. I'm serious, this is no threat, it's a promise. Ree, send me the info. Some mother fucker is about to be sorry he took his first breath. Cat |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by catlind on Apr 5th, 2003, 8:22am on 04/05/03 at 04:31:37, michaelc wrote:
OMG Michael, how dare you post that! Ree just posted about Tim's little 6 year old...and you have the gall to talk about this guys kid brother getting his ass kicked for using his freedoms?? Where the fuck are that 6 year olds freedoms? How in the fuck does anyone ANYONE justify that behaviour to a 6 year old?? You can do and believe whatever you want, that's your right, but stop advocating the protestors and their behaviour. Maybe YOUR group wasn't like that, but I'm under instruction to go nowhere near any location that has a peace rally for my own safety! A 6 year old girl has been assaulted! An 8 year old is pretending to shoot people who are parents of military members!! MY GOD, don't you get it?? This isn't personal against you. YOU have the bad name here that you have because of the rest of the fucked up idiots. If that isn't your stand then QUIT fucking defending those idiots! I'm done. Ree, that fucker will pay. :-X Cat |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by jonny on Apr 5th, 2003, 3:49pm on 04/05/03 at 04:10:46, michaelc wrote:
Buck Buck Buck!!! (Chicken noise) You shouldnt be so scared Opie, Dave is a great guy. He drove from Conn. to my shop in Plymouth, Mass to give me a shit load of Imitrex. Opie = All type no action....LMMFAO!!!!! ;D ..................................jonny PS: Your friends brother has a familiar typing style, Hmmmmmmm!!! |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by don on Apr 5th, 2003, 9:14pm So the big mouth Peace Protester doesn't have the balls to confront someone of opposing views. Unless of course he is in a crowd of ball less Peace Protestors where he can hide behind his rhetoric and his fellow protesters rhetoric. Quote:
Certainly wouldn't want to inconveniance yourself for something so trivial as being a man of conviction. Least not while our troops are up days on end, in cutting sandstorms while being yelled at by those guys trying to blow them to bits,and whose work may make them late for the rest of their lives. Literally. What do you do? Sell slush puppies at the local 7/11. You have proven to be what I expected you were. You are a coward. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by fubar on Apr 6th, 2003, 3:06pm What a fucking coward. I suppose if you organized a rally to meet instead of facing one-on-one, you'd have a little more balls. STFU now. |
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Title: Re: MichaelC-This is for you-We shall meet Post by Sean_C on Apr 6th, 2003, 4:56pm What the fuck is your problem Mike YOUR MOMMA GAVE YOU TO MUCH ATTENTION or something. YOUR daddy should of kicked your fuckin' ass once in awhile you little fuckin' BRAT. Honestly Mike I think you wrote that yourself !!! Thats pathetic.....I guess the best way to express my feelings is FUCK OFF, get off the momma's tit too will ya. I'm sorry guys, this kids got issues, mainly DONT ASK DONT TELL...........got me? Sean P.S. If this kid makes my cycle rebound I'm goin' lookin' |
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