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Title: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Silver_Dolphins on Feb 18th, 2003, 5:28pm Michelen Tires BF Goodrich tiers Bic lighters Motel 6 Loreal shampoo Red roof Inns Culligan water Vivendi Entertainment US Filter Group(owned by Vivendi) Hotel Sofitel Hotel Novitel Any others? |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 18th, 2003, 5:43pm I don't think boycotting french products will do too much good in this situation. Just my opinion. Sherry |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by cathy on Feb 18th, 2003, 5:46pm Thought you might like to know that the woman that owns L'Oreal also owns Nestle now known as Nestle Purina....well the same family anyhow... :) |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by cbolony on Feb 18th, 2003, 5:49pm Rename french fries to American Fries |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 18th, 2003, 5:51pm French fries were never french to begin with.....neither was pizza italian! Just FYI ;D sherry |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 18th, 2003, 5:54pm on 02/18/03 at 17:49:28, cbolony wrote:
If they are covered with extra sharp chedda cheese im in ;D ................................jonny Cheese Honk!!!! |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Not4Hire on Feb 18th, 2003, 6:00pm ok then: -French toast -French kisses -Calaveras County California (home of the Frog Jumping Contest) -the Concorde -the French Quarter--New Orleans -Mardi Gras -Roquefort cheese -the Tour de France -Paris, Kentucky, Alabama, Missouri, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and of course, France ..hell, I could go on all day......... ;D |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 18th, 2003, 6:44pm on 02/18/03 at 18:00:14, Not4Hire wrote:
So be it, just give me those freedom fries!!!!! ................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by tanner on Feb 18th, 2003, 7:30pm sorry man, i just put all season michilin rubber all the way around my f350 1 ton dually and they cost me a mint so i can't give em back but i will encourage the nieghborhood dogs to piss on em...... :o tim |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ueli on Feb 18th, 2003, 8:00pm on 02/18/03 at 17:28:09, Silver_Dolphins wrote:
I propose we boycott all those fucking conceited jackasses who think they must plant their belief on the rest of the world, just because they are so superior that any opinion different from theirs must be bottomless bad. I suggest you start a list of Italien products to boycott, after all, last weekend there were alone in Rome 2 million Italiens protesting against the American warmongering. Or is this the difference?
BTW, it's spelt Michelin, don't boycott the wrong people. BTW2, what does this thread have to do with CH? Did you err from http://AmercansAreBetterThanTheRestOfTheWorld? Pissed off at the warmongers, Ueli |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by tanner on Feb 18th, 2003, 8:18pm geez ueli lgihten up... i guess we both spelled it wrong but i only said i would help the french rubber get pissed on and having taken an up close and personal part in the war we lost thanks to the pacifists and the press and there inability to tell victories from defeats ( tet 68) and having sent a son ( who volunteered because he was proud of his old man ) off to bosnia where he sustained the injury that lead to his medical discharge, i hereby reserve the right to lead an entire army of neighborhood dogs to piss all over anything made by the pompous, holier than thou, sweaty smellin, ungratful chickenshit bastard french faggots any friggin time i want. btw i have a hard time with spelling in the midst of an attack... tim |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 18th, 2003, 8:52pm Yowza! Zut Alor! LOL Sorry, My maiden name is Hebert. Until my ancestors moved into the US, it was pronounced A Bear Since then, I guess due to the neighbors inexperience with french pronunciation it has been pronounced He Bert Which, much to my fathers chagrin and idignation and (these days since he is now 80 years old) refusal to acknowledge such, has been pronounced 1- her bert 2- hue bert 3- ho bart as well as others. Therefore being a smidge french and loving the language, I must say................ I like my fries with chili and cheese!!! YUM YUM! Please tell me I don't have to boycott Jack-in-the-box! LOL Ueli is right you know, we are arrogant, immature, know-it-alls that have it good.......and have the audacity to want to try to save the world.......whether it needs saving or even should be saved at all. Someone on one of these threads captured the essence of the American....we are teenagers compared to most of the rest of the world. However, I must point out, that although we are young, arrogant and very flawed and backward in some ways, we are also almost the only country that tries to and has helped other countries in times of need. Unfortunately, whether it be due to our insufferability, or the country in questions embarrassment at having to ask for or receive help from us....our help has almost always been ridiculed and denounced...especially by the countries we have helped. Yes, we can be ugly, we have predudice, hate, violence. We are backward in regards to sex. We tend think probably too much of ourselves and wrongly think that our way (our culture, our morals, our language) is the best way and should be the only way. BUT!!!!!! We will rush to the rescue in most cases, if we can. We probably give more as individual citizens to funds (at least proposing that they are legit--did I forget to say that we are a bit gullible? LOL) that benefit people in other countries. We are not perfect or superior, but yes some of us think we are, we have not been around as long, but yes we sometimes act like we were put in charge of the world. But really, are we THAT bad? I think that our intentions are good. And there are a lot of us that aren't predudiced and arrogant and complete a s s h o l e s. I don't know what I feel about all this...but I don't think we deserve as bad a rap (or rep) as we have been given. Damn, didn't mean to get into all this, but if we Americans were not here....the world would be a very different place and I am not sure that it would be a better place. Sorry for the rant. Sherry |
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Title: a death machine to boycott Post by rumplestiltskin on Feb 18th, 2003, 9:48pm Loud and clear Euli! We dress our angel of death up in a Jesus Christ disguise and expect everybody to buy that. Bush is a puppet...a grossly black comical distraction from the true evil. Well meaning people should know better and recognize the darkness for what it is. You stand till the death for peace and Love or.........you join the other side. Freedom is free. Might don't make right.... no matter how generous and self righteous the killing machine appears. Not trying to convince anybody of anything. I just stand on this side of the line. Go on without me. I'm in good company. Love den |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Not4Hire on Feb 18th, 2003, 10:02pm ......submitted w/out comment....... http://www.democracymeansyou.com/images/iraq-explained.gif |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by cootie on Feb 18th, 2003, 10:15pm I hate politics....I think there all liers......gonna go have me sum American vanilla ice cream....am I politically incorrect......Pam-hee-haw-honker |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by firebrix on Feb 18th, 2003, 10:29pm Way to go Not4Hire!! Crackin up here! Humour will save the day! I'd just like to add that there have been Kiwi servicemen slaughtered at every stoush since the Boer War.WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Our SAS were in the gulf war, Bosnia and Afghanistan. Since 'Nam - all volunteers. All fighting for King and Country, 13,000 miles away. Are we stupid or brave? Mopar |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 18th, 2003, 11:00pm Ueli, you're a good man. I agree with you on this whole "War Makes Dubya Cum" thought. But I'm getting a little tired of your (or is that "you're", GailFrank?) subtle/not-so-subtle anti-Americaisms. I know this one doesn't point it out as well as what I've read, or at least interpreted what I read from you lately. But you sure have an anti-American tone to you lately. Not an anti-American-policy-that-Dubya-tries-for tone. That I'd high-five you for. So, some food for thought, since I know you have a good and open mind. The anti-war demonstrations were billed as millions protesting against the war. Where did most of those millons come from? The Goddamned good ol' USofA (Yeah, I used hick terms to spell out USA on purpose). You want to speak out against our policies, please do. I do. You want to speak out against a war that'll kill thousands of innocent civilians before we utilize the peace process to its fullest? Please do. But don't go with that bullshit anti-American attitude that permeates and infects Europe so disgustingly. Because that is just joining the crowd and doing to us just what you witness our gov't and some followers doing to Iraq. And that is not giving a shit about the people. Just lumping them all into what the gov't policy claims. That all said, NO-FUCKING-WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That said, God Bless The USA. That said, NO-FUCKING-WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO FUCKING WAR!!!!!!!!!! NO-fUCKING WAR!!!!!!!!! NO-FUCKING-WAR!!!!!!!!!!! Might as well get it going here because the pro-war folks have been preaching it on this board long enough. You're against it, claim it here and now. If you worry about how you will be viewed by your friends for being against this war and that frightens you, think of how much scarier it is for a child to worry if a bomb is going to fall in his town and wipe him and his family out. DJ. I'm sorry. I know that it's not cool to do something like this on your site since you're in the service. And I wouldn't if it wasn't so important. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by tanner on Feb 18th, 2003, 11:30pm note to self... be careful what you say, think twice to see if you are hurting someone that doesn't deserve to be hurt, don't make blanket accusations on any geo-political topics and never post a less than serious comment while the ice pick is present!!! note to every one else... after having read back through this thread (and significant needling from my wife) it has dawned on me that i may not have considered the insensitive nature of my previous post. i know for sure that i may have (did) use derogatory words that would hurt people i did not mean to offend.... i apologize!!! particularly to sherry... that was not my intent !!! den.. not sure i understand your post, feel free to e-mail me. mopar, i list you guy's among" the have always been there crowd"... thanks everyone else... i am not a warmonger, i detest the thought of the necessity! I stand by my feelings for political entities that SHOULD be our friends. btw. i'm a democrat ps: this post has taken me damn near an hour because i keep going back to my WEBSTERS to check my spelling. am i the only one that becomes borderline dyslexic while being hammered? geez... i just had to look up hammered...sux heres hoping i havn't pissed off everyone.......... tim |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by tanner on Feb 18th, 2003, 11:36pm ted, my friggen post took me so long to do that yours slipped in between. may i just say "HEAR HEAR" and amen, there has got to be a better way !!!!!!!!!!!!! tim |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 19th, 2003, 1:12am The apparent glee with which some of us approach this coming bloodbath, is as stupid as it gets. Want to avoid war? Simple: Keep the inspectors in Baghdad. Saddam won’t unleash whatever he has while they’re there, and if we’re lucky, neither will the idiot in the White House whom we almost elected. This is the most secretive administration in history and it scares the shit out me. They have yet to convince me that the coming mess has anything to do with common sense. Bush & Co. are worst bunch I’ve seen in 56 years, and I’m not just talking about Iraq. Daddy was a cake walk comparatively, and Nixon was more fun. History shows that we can be a real pain in the ass now and then. Anyone who thinks we haven’t been in the empire business since 1898, knows nothing of history. We’re just one of many. Once, Britain controlled 1/4 of the world. They were good at this stuff. For the self-proclaimed isolationists we put in charge, to embark on something similar, would be beyond stupid, but rightly or wrongly, this is what much of the world thinks we’re up to. So far, I don't think even that idiot Bush plans to stick a Viceroy in Baghdad, no matter how much damage he inflicts. Most of the time I like us but in the last two years, it’s not been easy. No matter what you hear from cable news, America is not the “freest nation on earth.” We’re having a good run and so far, we’ve been lucky. The world could do worse I suppose, but at the moment, we’re a better tourist trap than a world player. Mean old Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by suzy617 on Feb 19th, 2003, 2:53am on 02/18/03 at 20:52:12, oringkid wrote:
Damn! They still have them by you? Used to be my favorite place back in the 70's before they closed up. Ok, thats all I have to say on this subject.. suzy |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by BobG on Feb 19th, 2003, 3:55pm Nestle Purina? Hmmmm.....chocolate dog food? About 30 years ago Jack I The Box was owned by Purina. They had to sell, out of embarressment, when it was discovered that the hamburgers advertised by J-in-the-B wasn't really hamburger. The "war" with Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism as George W wants everyone to think. If he wants to go after terrorist he should be looking at Saudi Arabia and North Korea. Georgieboy wants Iraq under American control so he can kick out the European Oil Barons and install Texas Oil Barrons. To quote a rich guy "It's nothing personal. It's just business". Good post not4hire. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by brain_cramps on Feb 19th, 2003, 4:16pm on 02/18/03 at 23:30:52, tanner wrote:
Nope, me too! No, wait a minute. I become borderline dyslexic while being hummered! 8) |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by domm on Feb 19th, 2003, 7:46pm Ted (and all)- I am against war. I thank the wonderful folks who serve selflessly in the US military every day to protect my family and our country. I also believe they are the first to say NO to war if it can be avoided. Wars are never started by the military, but rather by egomaniacal morons who manage to get themselves into positions of power. While I am no lover of the French, here's what Chirac had to say recently. http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/2/17/235010 His/Their simple statement is "But we think this goal (eliminating Saddam) can be reached without starting a war." Why not avoid bloodshed? Too often old men are willing to send young men to their deaths. I'd rather like to see Bush and Saddam duke it out mano-a-mano. domm |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 19th, 2003, 8:05pm on 02/19/03 at 19:46:27, domm wrote:
Of course france and Germany take that position, they dont want us to find out they have been supplying Iraq with wepons because then they become our enemy, and THEY DONT WANT THAT!!!!! .............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ueli on Feb 19th, 2003, 9:22pm on 02/19/03 at 20:05:40, jonny wrote:
That really an interesting piece of information, jonny. Could you please disclose the source of this intelligence? ..........Ueli |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 19th, 2003, 9:32pm on 02/19/03 at 21:22:54, Ueli wrote:
France and Germany do not support US efforts for regime change in Iraq. Need I say more? BTW: Do the French speak German?...No?...Their welcome!!! ........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 19th, 2003, 9:51pm on 02/19/03 at 21:22:54, Ueli wrote:
"Why are France and Germany pro-Saddam? Follow the money. BY KHIDHIR HAMZA Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST My 20 years of work in Iraq's nuclear-weapons program and military industry were partly a training course in methods of deception and camouflage to keep the program secret. Given what I know about Saddam Hussein's commitment to developing and using weapons of mass destruction, the following two points are abundantly clear to me: First, the U.N. weapons inspectors will not find anything Saddam does not want them to find. Second, France, Germany, and to a degree, Russia, are opposed to U.S. military action in Iraq mainly because they maintain lucrative trade deals with Baghdad, many of which are arms-related. " |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 19th, 2003, 10:46pm Germany and France are not pro-Saddam. They do not supply arms to Iraq. Germany and France DO support a regime change in Iraq and would state it in stronger terms if George Bush hadn't shot himself in the foot with his stupid rhetoric and threats to go it alone. The rest of the world understands that we will do this but there was no need to bring it up and act like a spoiled child. Bush sees it all in black and white. France is fairly self-sufficient. It's one of the few European countries that can truly say that. They don't need us, aside from the Atlantic alliances. It makes for a different attitude. It allows them some breathing room and to be the cantankerous bunch they are. The moron speech writer who came up with "Axis of Evil," and the other wild west crap, is on my fecal register too. God, I'm tired of it. He’s also part of the reason Bush and Blair are losing so much support. Sad that stupidity is held in such high esteem in Washington. I wonder if Bob is right too? Would we be this concerned and gung ho if Iraq grew only dates? Oh, and some of the links about Iraq are from very iffy sources, some conspiracy nuts, and of course anything from CBN “news” is instantly questionable. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 20th, 2003, 12:46am on 02/19/03 at 21:32:37, jonny wrote:
Yup. You do. You made the accusation. Yes you do need to say more, if you want it to be considered a reason to slaughter people. So, can we have the intelligence on this bit of information? "Of course france and Germany take that position, they dont want us to find out they have been supplying Iraq with wepons because then they become our enemy, and THEY DONT WANT THAT!!!!! " |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 20th, 2003, 12:59am Charlie, as much as I agree with the ideas France and Germany are espousing about this, let's not be too blind about THEIR motives. Their is the new EU being formed and forming. They give about as much shit about a war as Liberia does. What they want is to be heavy in power in the EU and standing up to us was supposed to go a long way. That was the point of Rumsfeld saying "old Europe." It was to signal to the newly forming EU that these guys are out in our book and if they want the power the wish for, they better back down. So, while France and Germany may be seeking a peaceful resolution, it's to gain control of the EU. Nothing more. They are just as much of opportunistic pricks as anyone else. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 20th, 2003, 1:15am on 02/19/03 at 22:46:57, Charlie wrote:
Energy France is endowed with few natural energy resources. Coal was the primary fuel of the Industrial Revolution, and the modest coalfields of northern France provided much of the energy for France’s early industrial expansion. With the rapid spread of the internal-combustion engine in the 20th century, petroleum surpassed coal as a primary energy source. With very little of its own petroleum reserves, France had to import the vast majority of its petroleum supplies. By the early 1970s France was importing about three-quarters of its energy, much of it petroleum. Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. With all due respect Charlie I must point out that in this context any link reporting a financial motive showing France, Germany or any other Country doing business with Iraq would be considered "suspect" It's not like Al-Jazzera would report anything like this. I also assumed with your well known left of center position anything from CBN would be suspect. I am able to post dozens of links like the earlier ones but.... Given that, I would ask that you please do more research into the actual economics in this "war", or lack of. France and Germany have damn good reasons for going against America and most of Europe in this situation. Don't be fooled into thinking it's a "moral" issue. Many people in this Country believe Bush 43 wants to put young American Men and Women in harms way for money....oil, agreed? What makes you think the European's are so much morally superior that money would not be figured into their policy towards Iraq and this war? Trust me, they are not superior. I personally believe there are good and bad in everyone.....except Muslims. Where are all of the peace loving Muslims speaking out in defense of not just America but ALL Nations under the attack of terroists?! I really do enjoy these debates with you too.......very stimulating. I also believe due to this forum not many of these complicated issues can be hashed out in just a few paragraphs......but it is fun to try! PFDAN's Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 20th, 2003, 1:29am Ted, You really do make some interesting points about the EU as a whole in this that I had not figured in.....very interesting.....(scratching his chin thoughtfully) Thank you, Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 20th, 2003, 1:48am No problem Mark. And it didn't take some propogandizing CBN to figure that one out. That really is a bad source. You have to admit that much. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 20th, 2003, 1:59am http://www.click-smilies.de/schnellauswahl/ernaehrung004.gif ;D |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 20th, 2003, 2:47am Wow. Right on, right on, right on. I just read Sherry's message (ORINGKID) for the first time right now and I think we need to all read it. The America haters. The America lovers. The America in-betweeners. She hit it so perfectly and it just sits there, probably missed by most just because we all posted after her and didn't bother to scroll up to see what we missed. That's my excuse at least. That was a GREAT post, Sherry. That is the most balanced view I have ever seen about us. That was so good I needed a cigarette after reading it. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by suzy617 on Feb 20th, 2003, 2:57am on 02/19/03 at 15:55:44, BobG wrote:
You mean I grew up eating dog food, Bob? :o Think I'm gonna go barf now........ suzy :-/ |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 20th, 2003, 3:09am You mean my dog grew up eating Jack-In-The-Box Hamburgers? :o Good morning, Suzy. Hope you're not up because of your head. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 20th, 2003, 5:33am Yup. A lot of us are pretty right on this thing. It shows that we’re not lackeys of our corporate masters. (Being a left-leaning, tool of creeping socialism, I’m required to say that) Anyway there is good stuff in these posts. France isn’t helpless on one front. It has built an extensive nuclear generating capacity. If I remember, they’ve been criticized for their use of it. To be sure, they import a lot but compared to other nations, they’re in pretty good shape. I didn’t think about EU politics, Ted. You’re pretty right about that. I also think that the EU has been looking inward a bit. Their side of the Atlantic isn’t so scary since the cold war ended. This self-confidence has brought back some rivalries. Britain, France and Germany have room for some fun now. I’ll admit I’m pretty harsh on us. I guess we are entitled to be but I’m somewhat blinded by my disgust for Bush. He and his crowd have used 9-11 to do some real damage to my country. I don’t hate America and on the whole, we’ve done the world some good. Like Britain, when we depart, we usually leave behind something good. This thing is complex however and full of pitfalls. I don’t like to see all the wrong people get hurt. We better be damn lucky. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by suzy617 on Feb 20th, 2003, 5:35am Good Morning Ted. Thankfully my cycle comes every year in Sept and Oct. only. I am just a working horse. Get up at 3am during the week to do medical billing on my pc before I go to my real job. ::) Have a good one, suzy |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Hound_Dogg on Feb 20th, 2003, 7:49am I am a War Veteran, who is strongly opposed to any Military action in Iraq, with the information we have now. "He tried to kill my Daddy" is not a good reason to initiate an offensive strike. The Cheney/Rumsfeld regime is trying to do what it could not accomplish 12 years ago, and has a great puppet in GW to set things in motion. The real tragedy is how they have turned 9/11 into there own self-serving propoganda for war in Iraq. Living in an area where most of the 9/11 victims came from, I'm appalled. I also wanted to add to what Ted had said about speaking out if you're against this war...don't just speak out on this forum, write your Senator and let then know how you feel. They also feel it has become un-patriotic to speak against GW on this issue. Let then know it isn't. The silence could be deadly. Oh well, off my soapbox. Jim |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 20th, 2003, 10:32am I admittedly don't know much about politics, basically because I find it highly distasteful, and mostly immoral. That and most of the time all the political posturing just pisses me off to no end! Here is a question...Where does France and Germany get it's oil? My friend in France has been complaining in the past of horrendous gas prices (for cars) Perhaps they don't want to rock the boat for fear of spilling their share of oil over the side? Just an uneducated guess. and Thanks Ted! Sherry |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Kirk on Feb 20th, 2003, 3:54pm Since our dependance on oil from the middle east has shrunk to less than 17% in the last few years, and looking at some charts of the region. I would suggest control of the water supply as a reason for controling resources in the region. Then again I don't believe Dubya is that smart. Cheney is though. Just my shot in the dark. I'll go put my Asbestos suit on now. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by SteveY on Feb 20th, 2003, 4:56pm OK, my two pence worth (or two cents) No one really wants war, but if the British government had acted as it should have back in 1936, how many lives would have been saved? Tyrants like Saddam with their outrageous record on Human rights MUST be erradicated. With regard to the French, well, they have openly welcomed the world's second biggest abuser of Human rights into their country, namely Muggabe, what more can I say? I recently spoke with an Iraqi couple, their view? kill Saddam, whilst they understand there will be innocent lives lost in Iraq, they talk of persecution and torture of their families, and are 100% behind the removal of Saddam by whatever means. No I don't want war, but sometimes it is necessary, the French and Germans should understand this more than most others. Back to my original point, if we do not stop Saddam and his brutal dictatorship, if we bow down to left wing countries, what next? North Korea attaacking the west? Gaddaffi raising his ugly head again? I hope and pray it does not come to war, but if that is what is necessary to defend democracy, then so be it. If this post offends some of you, I don't give a shit. PFDAN Steve |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 20th, 2003, 5:14pm on 02/20/03 at 16:56:27, SteveY wrote:
Your my kinda dude, Steve :D If we didnt stop Sadamn in Kuwait where would he be now and how many people would be dead? Anyone remember Hitler? The quote above goes for me too ;D ................................jonny Nuclear Honk!!!! |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 20th, 2003, 5:25pm Ok, maybe I am naive, but couldn't we get rid of Saddam without war? I mean lets get real here folks, it's not like we don't have a group of people who were trained for that...it's not like we haven't done it before either. Someone (forgive me but I have been through a lot of posts lately and can't remember who) mentioned a bit about this new patriot act which proposes (among other horrifying things) reinstating some of the more nefarious and highly abusable actions that some of our "secret" government organizations used to employ...I would assume that one of these would be government sanctioned assassinations. Although, I don't believe in killing at all.....I am smart enough to realize that in the absence of some miraculous "change" that would stop all greed, power hunger, evil etc., there are people whose potential for destruction or endangerment or whatever almost obligates us to remove them...by what ever means necessary. So, why kill thousands of innocents, who would probably like to be out from under tyrannical rule, if all we had to do was take out one person. I guess then, you would have to ask, who is standing in the wings waiting to take over? Or, alternatively, you would have to ask who would WE put in his place? It is a dilemma...... I just HATE the thought of sending our young men and women into war. And I hate the thought of the killing of innocents who had no real choice. Sherry |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Melissa on Feb 20th, 2003, 7:06pm First, in response to Sherry's question: If it were only as simple as assassination... You need to remember the people under Saddam, who pledge their lives for this man to carry out his legacy. I don't even want to think of what would happen if Saddam's son Uday came into power after the death of his father. I shudder at the thought! No one really wants war, but some believe that it is only the best way for the circumstances. Secondly, I believe in following through on your obligations to others, and if you do not follow through, you suffer the consequences that are written in the event you do not comply. Here's a little something I wrote earlier in the day. I wasn't going to post it then, but I just wanted to contribute to this important world issue: ********************************************* Before I begin, let me state that I respect everyones opinion on the subject... Sept. 11th, 2001 changed my life. It also changed my priorites and my narrow minded view of the world beyond the US borders. It is damn scary! I think of the political reps and presidents, of both sides, of the past, and I wonder to myself... how would they have handled Sept. 11th, and the threat of terrorists worldwide? Al Queda is not the only terrorist group that wants us freedom loving people dead, there are hundreds of groups that despise the USA (plus other democratic countries), and what we stand for. Yes, it is true we have never made a pre-emptive attack before in our history, and I can understand why people are scared to think we might become a "Hitler" type of regime, but then again, we have never had a Sept. 11th in our history either. Until someone can come up with a new effective law of dealing with the new enemy, I am afraid we need to resort to what we know, and that's the old ways of war. We do not have the luxury of time on our side at the moment for lengthy debates. The attacks happened to us already, what makes everyone think they will not happen again in the very near future? For those who want anything but the use of force, PLEASE please tell me what your solution would be to the problem? Please do not use broad terms in your answer, but give specifics. The world has forever changed, and until enough time goes by, and more experience has taken place dealing with the new enemy, there will be no right or wrong spewed by anyones mouth. Only the past can determine what has worked, and unfortunately, we don't have the past to look to... Just my opinion, Mel |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 20th, 2003, 7:13pm IRAQ, Your lucky to be only subjected to the US and friends military. The cheese eating surrender monkeys will deal with this force if they get anymore out of line and it wont be pretty. (see pic) .....C-130 is sitting on the tar mack waiting to load 500 scoots. When we see your cheese battle flag (Waving white sheet) we will ride in and party (The wild bunch) Sue me ;D http://abatenyontario.20m.com/unclesam.jpeg ......................................jonny THE AMERICAN HONKSTER!!!! |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by catlind on Feb 21st, 2003, 7:09am Sherry, in answer to your question, isnt' there a way to get rid of saddam without war? - No, not anymore. There may have been, but the line in the sand was drawn. Let me fill you in on some things: Whether you are for or against this war is of little regard. The order of battle as reported in the Air Force Times, as of Feb 13th was: 159,900 service men and women publicly in theatre, 50 warships, 350 aircraft, and the Theodore Roosevelt BG with Carrier Air Wing 8, 8000 sailors in transit. That's what's public. That kind of buildup doesn't happen for an exercise or for the fun of it. Secondly, 4000 more reservists have been mobility activated, not activated, MOBILITY activated, there's a difference. Thirdly, the CRAF, Civil Reserve Air Fleet has been activated for the 2nd time in it's history since 1952. The first time was in 1990. Many folks on here are active duty or vets, and many of us will be waiting on friends and loved ones coming home, but whether we like it or not, the show's on. Right or Wrong, it's going to happen. The question is only when, and with who's support. Did anyone notice during the attack on Libya that the US asked if we could use French airspace, and the French said no? Collateral damage in those air attacks was the French Embassy. Nice coincidence. (I was wrong on both counts, it was neither kosovo or desert storm) The US has the might, and although they are the teenagers of the world, teenagers are ever rebelling, and once started, generally have to hang themselves before they can stop. Here's hoping this isn't our noose. Cat (no opinion on for or against, just terrified for my friends and family that are there, and their safety, about the fact it will happen) |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:37am The only "pre-emptive" strike the US has made was againt itself during the Civil War. May I offer a list of AMERICANS killed by Middle Eastern terrorist attacks. "Excluding the September 11 attacks, approximately 700 Americans have been killed and 1,600 wounded in terrorist attacks since 1970. This list also includes injured Americans since Oslo 1993." We as a Nation, as a people have been under attack since the beginning of our State. What should we do..nothing? That apparently is not working. America did not start this war, but maybe we can secure our borders against the likes of the "evil-doers" who like nothing better than to see you dead...or at least in a Burka. We may be teenagers but it looks we are growing up fast. If you do not like the way things are going, this is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy. Call your state representive and let them know how you feel, one way or the other... participate! Vote, hell run for office yourself! This is possible because of the countless lives lost to protect our right to BITCH about our Goverment. America is FAR from perfect but it is a damn site better that anything else to come along in the last 3000 years. I'm done, yall have a nice day!! ;D Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Lenny on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:48am "FANTASTIC POST MARK" |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by hub on Feb 21st, 2003, 1:36pm Mark, what a guy! Thank you so much for articulating to ueli some good points in an adult and educated manner. I am not capable of that. I am somewhat immature and too lazy to put such things into a non-threatening post. I would be calling ueli names and saying bad things about his cats. :o Am I naive enough to believe that there aren't political agendas being met in a war with Iraq. No I am not. However, there are many many good reasons to irradicate the likes of saddam and osami. If we do nothing, if we just back off and do nothing, do you think that saddam will stop? Do you think that osami will stop. Will N. Korea? No, they will attack the US. They will. They have and they will. If the US pulled it's forces out of all the places in the world where they are keeping peace, maybe you anti-americans would change your tune. You wouldn't be changing your underwear while in a concentration camp. But I suppose that wouldn't be much of a hygiene problem for some of you europeans, now would it. :o |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 21st, 2003, 6:19pm I just can't let this go....sorry. Why can’t we tell the Iraqis that every place and every time, Saddam refuses access to inspectors, we’ll turn that particular place into rubble? Shit, we have all the right stuff there now. I mean there has to be something going on and just maybe Saddam would get blamed for the “collateral damage.” We can invade too, if necessary but this would give us some time, let Dubya play war, and maybe with something like this, not so many would die. Too bad we can’t wait long enough to have as much politics on our side, as power. I just hope the “evil-doers,” (what a phrase) don’t too quickly realize that we’ll now be fair game and all put Osama (remember him?) on speed-dial. I worry that going it mostly alone is like handing these nutcakes recruiting posters. It would be nice if Bush, who gives tax cuts to his yuppie friends and lobbyists, and won’t pay our military enough to allow them to make a decent career out of it, would do more than visit bases. It’s why they have to call up so many reserves for things like this. The military has shrunk. What a shameful reason too. There are silver linings of course. After all, Dick Cheney’s friends can now sell more crap and services to whomever will have charge of Iraqi oil interests, when they have to rebuild what gets clobbered. They made a fortune the last time. By the way Ted, I hate to admit it but you’re dead right about France and Germany and their relationship to the EU. I’ve been reading about it every time I pick up the paper. I hope I’m wrong about the other stuff I worry about too. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by kim on Feb 21st, 2003, 7:09pm Charlie, I have NO idea what point you are trying to make? LOL!! It SEEMS like you are saying many things without any particular point other than "Republicans Suck".......... :D Oh well, get in line..... ::) :D Guess what? It don't work anymore guy!!!! George is NOT making war. He is bending over BACKWARDS to find resolution diplomatically. When to draw the line is the main issue we ALL are passionate about as IS OUR PRESIDENT!!! Finding resolution should not be a partisan issue!!! It has become a GLOBAL issue that will have a direct affect on us ALL. No easy answers I lament. However, the democratic party is BLINDLY marching to a beat that popped it's string long ago. Democrats cannot and WILL not make a legitamte argument by using OLD ideologies that no longer fit today's times -- when they FINALLY realize this perhaps we have a discussion -- until then it's LAUGHABLE!!!! We are entering a global crossroads. This ain't NAM guys. It's bigger, and will last a very long time and the ultimate cost is not negotiable. It's not even arguable. It's FACT. While cleaning my mother in laws home i found old newspaper articles....one of them was "Chancellor Hitler" speech...made my skin crawl and to read it like that from journalists standpoint at the time was really EEERY! New York-- Journal American--A Newspaper For The American People -- dated Monday, September 26, 1938: I quote: Berlin September 26 "Chancellor Adolph Hitler told the world today he will not yield on the SUDETEN question....addressing a huge throng in Berlin....I must take ACTION........I have let it be done.just that. German patience is not now and that now an end first should come...our political aims are not unlimited..our aims are not dictated by accident or vagueness......... "I must take action now" aserts Hitler 3 powers ready to fight Nazis.... NOW< PAY ATTENTION! (that from Kimmer) "we have no grudge against other nations. we know that other nations are not responsible for these conditions, but a small international gang. Germany demand under all circumstances, equal rights"........... Not once since 9/11 have I witnessed an untruth on the part of GW. It insults my intelligence that you would try and spin it to the tune of a democratic victory in a party-oriented battle. This issue stretches far beyond self-indulgent americans struggling to meet the quota of party power and flat out selfish ambition. Oh, Charlie, I just pooped mesself out. ;) |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 21st, 2003, 8:44pm Hell Charlie don't apolgize, I cant let it go either. The funny thing is I agree with you on one front about this. I am an Air Force Brat, My Father served 27 years. I grew up on an Air- Base and celebrated my eighth birthday while he was on his second tour of Viet-Nam. My Uncle was killed less than 30 minutes after stepping off a plane at Tan Son Nhut (http://www.dposs.com/k9/tansonhut.htm) Air Base. I am no stranger to Military life, and loss. I have a son that will be eight this year....thank God I will be here to see it ( I hope). There is a pretty big part of me that agrees there must be another avenue than an all out War, at least as far as Iraq goes. Being a good Conservative I feel I could be drummed out of the GOP for saying so....but something ain't right. I was watching a video of Adlai Stevenson give his presentation to the UN about the installation of Russian Atomic Weapons in Cuba. There was no doubt as what needed to be done then, or was there? No offense Charlie but you may be old enough to have memories of that and could bring a first person perspective to someone like me, i.e. DOB 11/30/61. I wonder how MY parents felt having a one year old baby and Russia targeting the US from 90 miles away! Time tends to alter history and I wonder if there were anti-war protesters then too. Everyone agrees (almost) that Saddam Hussien is a threat to Global peace. Now...what do we do? Wait another decade to allow more time to prepare some type of Weapon of Mass Destruction to be used on US? Do we half-ass it like we did in Viet-Nam. Do we just sit and wait to be attacked......again and again and again. Do we continue to let the UN inspectors inspect and if so for how long? To be honest I don't know and I doubt anyone else does either. Do you think the average Iraqi wants war with us? I doubt it. Like most people under dictators, freedom would be a welcome change. We are not going it alone either. Most of our allies are still allies. Following is a statement made Wednesday by 10 East European countries in support of the presentation by United States Secretary of State Colin Powell to the United Nations Security Council concerning Iraq. It is signed by the foreign ministers of Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77692,00.html) As far as Military readiness I suggest you look to last last resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave for the condition of the Military. Two years in office aint quite enough to decimate to Armed Services the way Wm. J. Clinton did. To be fair I must add the idea of base closures started during Bush 41. The 1995 Base Closure Commission "President Clinton submitted his list of seven commission nominees in March of 1995. Defense Secretary William Perrys recommendations included 146 facilities, with 34 major closures and 26 major realignments. The commission forwarded its closure recommendations to the President on June 30. It contained 132 facilities, including 28 major closures and 21 major realignments. The commissions recommendations differed from those of the Defense Department significantly more than in past years, dropping 13 bases from the Pentagons list, while adding nine new bases. President Clinton approved the list as submitted, but in his transmittal letter to Congress, he expressed his concerns about the potential economic impact of the proposed closures on Texas and California." Bush 43 wants to spend an additional 45 BILLION dollars in 2003 over 2002. (http://www.clw.org/milspend/dodbud03.html) Is this a good expediture or not. As much fun as this is I must go and do some REAL work for a while, suport the effort and all. I do hope you can find time to share memories of an earlier time, as a matter of fact I would love to buy you a cup of coffee sometime and talk a little more! Open minded, Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Not4Hire on Feb 21st, 2003, 9:49pm Quote:
Mark, I grieve the loss of your uncle...as I'm sure many nephews/sons/wives/etc. will -and do- grieve the loss of family members in war or in *peace*. I wonder how the residents of Iraq feel, knowing that a great military force is gathering "from 90 miles away", that *cannot* care if their targets are uncles, wives, sons....etc. or *weapons of mass destruction*. Soldiers are sent to fight and die--for good reasons, and bad--we honor their commitment, their courage, and their sacrifice. I love America and I honor the many who have made the ultimate commitment to preserve our freedoms. I lost many brothers in Viet Nam, and I'm still not sure why. Do not minimize their sacrifice, by saying we "half-assed" it Southeast Asia. This nation was being held captive by an administration THEN, much as it is by Bush...and Clinton...and Bush...and Reagan...and...and... Time does NOT alter history...only our perception and our immediate view. The facts can be *spun*-- and the memories can fade-- but somebody much wiser than I, once said that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. If only 10% of the following *84 Reasons* are true, I believe we must take a very hard look at who we are, where we stand, and what we're doing...... (I admit, some of these *reasons* are OUT THERE.....) http://www.democracymeansyou.com/serious/84reasons.htm ....and Kim......... yer just givin' charlie more ammo... ya know how many of *those* quotes can be found to be paraphrased in most of the recent saber-rattlin' rhetoric...sheesh! Finally, I gotta agree, Mark: "Freedom would be a welcome change......." Best regards and also with an open mind........Steve (N4H) |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 21st, 2003, 9:58pm on 02/21/03 at 21:49:12, Not4Hire wrote:
Poor choice of words on my part. My meaning was more to the point of us NOT being able to the job that needed to be done, not because of our boys, but because of the same reasons you said......Washington DC. I would NEVER minimize any service to this Country......even civil service! ;D Free in America Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:04pm This is such a difficult situation to think about clearly for someone like me....a mother, a taxpayer, an american, a wife, ex-military and a confirmed fence sitter (by that I really mean that I can see both or many sides to things as opposed to just being wishy-washy, although one can lead to the other) But while digesting and ruminating on all these posts I found my self thinking along the same lines as Kim has above. In that, all of this started (from what I can see anyway) with 9/11. At that time, Americans, I would say around 90% or more, wanted blood, and wanted it bad. I was right there with them. Bush HAD to react to the demands of his country. Now, a few days later, after Bush promised we would NOT take this lying down, (and I believe most of us let out a big "Hell yeah" or "Damn Right" at hearing that) I began to think....what can we do? What choices does Bush and our government have right now? If a plan had not been put into action RIGHT AWAY, the American people would have gone into rebellion!! But, what was our government to do? Would catching and arresting Osama and putting him on trial appease the peoples cry for blood? Not at that time. Nothing but his death and the eradication of his followers would do that first month or so after the atrocious attack on us. So, we send troops to avenge this crime and protect the world from further assaults...but... then... we couldn't get him! Months and months are going by. People, by nature move on, healing begins and time is the best healer....This is where I feel things began to take a political turn. In order to keep from having this righteous endeavor be seen as a failure and to try to keep the confidence of the people as well as keeping the spirit of patriotism, and intolerance of terrorism at a fever pitch...the government seemed to say...ok, if we can't get him, we will get another well known and hated terrorist and we should have an easier time getting him and we should all come out as heros! But we gotta do it now while we have the support of the people. Now keep in mind, that this is all just things that have run through my head based on my (self imposed) limited knowledge of the political, economical and (I guess) agricultural dynamics of the situation. But simple logic and taking a "wide angle" overview of some of the things that have happened and keeping in mind that the players are, after all, human beings with all the frailty of egos and desire for praise that we all have, I think that my scenerio may not be too far off. What bothers me the most is that our government (and almost all others, if not all) does not see that now that feelings have cooled SOME, not all by any means, but some, perhaps some rethinking of our strategy should be in order. Perhaps something like what Charlie was talking about (I think it was Charlie?) Perhaps they could think about the "troops" that are being sent over, in terms of our young men and women, our children, our future. Then perhaps they would think twice about "acceptable losses" 5(or more) times as many human beings will be lost in this war as were killed on 9/11...and in some ways, just as senselessly. Someone (I hit preview so now I can't go back and see, sorry) said something to the effect of "Everyone agrees that Sadaam is a threat to global peace." Humans are a threat to global peace. Killing is a threat to global peace no matter what the reason! Why is one type of killing justified and another not? (the end coming, I promise) So you see the quandry I and probably others are in...Bush had no choice to begin with and having set the machinery of war in motion, it is very hard to stop or slow it to reassess the situation. And, after all, I don't want my country terrorized! I don't want to cower and worry and fear for my child life. I don't want my city hit by bombs or feel like I have to cover my house with plastic and wear a gas mask. These things terrify me and I want it stopped! The only question is what is the most prudent and effective way? It seems, however that the time for asking that question has passed. whew! I'm done! And I feel much better! Sherry |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by kim on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:04pm Sadly, was not 'PARAPHRASED'..........was only a "direct Quote"!!! from some sod reporting the news at the time............what i make of that? A LOT. :( The only ammo I see is the ammo of cursing the thing you hold dear. When I was 18 I wrote a paper on the evil of the principles I now believe so fervently. Life is learning and bending and politics is always a wicked cul-de-sac. Don't TELL ME what ammo I've "provided" for it is NAUGHT but enlightenment and learning.!!!!! My home is in NY. Where is yours. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:13pm Well, Mark. Your post on page one was a great argument not to sit idly by and that we should conduct a war on terrorism. It really got my red, white and blue blood pumping and agreeing. All most of us who are against the war have been asking for all this time is some sort of proof, legitimate proof, that their is a connection to Saddam and terrorism. I have yet to see anyone say sit back and do nothing on terrorism. But, besides the promise of the same group who wanted to attack Iraq on 9-11-01 and blame them for the terrorism to justify going to war then (Rumsfield and co.), we need proof of that. But, getting angry about all the Americans killed and wounded and taking it out on Iraq isn't doing something about it. It's playing kick-the-cat bully. As far as cutting the military budget and closing bases? That started under Daddy Bush at the end of the Cold War. It was just continued with Clinton. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:44pm Oooooh, lets not take it out on Iraq....give me a fucking break!!! ...................LOL Sadam needs to be killed and thats what I think. unless you are a Hitler fan you will think like me. What say you, Ted? Should we let Sadam kill like Hitler? Kuwait was the first stop, should we have looked away? This is just an observation of a an not a very nice person. And we all know I am. ............................jonny Revised.....legitimate?........LMMFAO!!!! |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by kim on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:50pm Well thanks ted for the reminder.........but you MUST know in your heart that NO ONE is Eager for War....To think on those terms is fast running out of time. At no point during this "converation" do I recall mentioning in any way positive or negative THE NAME OF A POLITICAL MEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Stop calling the thing you absolutely REFUSE to acknowlege a name...............iT'S DUMB AND DOES NOT WORK. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 21st, 2003, 10:59pm 190,000 troops are in harms way, back them or shut THE FUCK UP!!!! .................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by oringkid on Feb 21st, 2003, 11:11pm I back them all the way Jonny, I just wish they didn't have to be in harms way. Just cuz I might not agree with some things, doesn't mean I don't stand by my country. After all, I did serve my country in the military, and I would do it again. Sherry |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 21st, 2003, 11:22pm I know that , Kid If everyone here backed them maybe we would not stink of 'USA sucks" What are we French? This is your fucking country like it or not. Dont like it?......Leave!!! ..................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 22nd, 2003, 1:07am on 02/21/03 at 22:13:13, Ted wrote:
on 02/21/03 at 20:44:27, Mark C wrote:
on 02/21/03 at 21:49:12, Not4Hire wrote:
Steve, I was thinking about this on my drive home and it and it occured to me if the Iraqi people had un-censored access to the Internet and other news sources.....and knew what was happening, information to make their own choices......Freedom.....this war might not happen at all because the Iraqi people themselves would take care of it. I don't know, just a thought. Could we take care of it? What would happen to you if you started a movement to rid America of Bush43 ? Become Nancy Pelosi! PFDAN's, Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 22nd, 2003, 2:14am OK: I was 16 in 1962, glued to the news and watched Adlai Stevenson duke it out with ambassador Zornin. There was our UN ambassador with black and white aircraft photos of Russian missiles & support equipment willing to “wait until hell freezes over.” (there‘s an idea) Everyone agreed that it was the real thing. There wasn’t much dissent, and that was from the lunatic fringe who wanted to play Dr. Strangelove. It was very very different. JFK didn’t run around talking about evil-doers. There they were and far more dangerous. We haven’t seen anything at all like1962 yet. You have to bear in mind that this stuff isn’t in Cuba. It does make difference. The Russians definitely had weapons of mass destruction. Castro too. 9-11 is not Pearl Harbor. Not even close. That was an act of war by an empire. 9-11 was a horror perpetrated by a very efficient fanatic and some uneducated followers. Our response: Go to Walmart, drive around in your SUVs, and God-forbid we make even a token sacrifice for the cause. That is not what happened in 1941. Finally: remember Osama bin Laden? It’s him we were pissed at that September, not much was said about Saddam. If Bush can clearly show us what the hell this is all about other than: just “trust me,” He’ll have my support. The thing at the UN didn’t convince anyone. It wasn’t at all like 1962. That Bush won’t give us an inkling about why this is immediately necessary, is what all the protest is about. I don’t yet see that it’s better to kill thousands rather than just take him out. Show us something concrete. Until then, I’m afraid the way we’re going about this is just as likely to incur attacks as deter them. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 22nd, 2003, 5:03am on 02/22/03 at 02:14:54, Charlie wrote:
So what you are saying is we should sit back and let them keep killing us and do nothing about it? ..........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 22nd, 2003, 6:46am What I’m saying is this: Right now we’re dealing with a few crazed fruitcakes and/or David Koresh types living in caves and god-forsaken towns in the Middle East. Historically, this stuff is nothing new. Maybe we should think before we act. How difficult is it to consider that it wouldn’t take much to tilt the scale so far that it will take decades to right? It may go like so: The vast majority of the youth living there have little or no education about the outside world. Likely, what they do see comes from entertainment which depicts almost exclusively violence or fanaticism. They learn nothing positive of the west. Because they know nothing else, they’re susceptible to the bin Ladens of the world; they look at life as not all that precious and find crackpot doctrines and violence appealing. The local wacko says: “Here’s a purpose, something to live and die for; sign here.” It gets worse as there are now more than one generation like this. They haven’t learned alternatives. They're ripe for picking and an endless reservoir for bin Laden shit heads. When we attack, doesn’t it follow that some will use it as an excuse to line up more and more suicide bombers, murderers, and Allah-knows-what else. As I posted before, it may be like handing out recruiting posters to bin Laden and his ilk. For now, there are a few thousand lunatics like this but when the “Great Satan,“ attacks, it may create more; maybe tens of thousands more, and perhaps millions more supporters, and fewer reasons for the majority to say no to this behavior. It looks dangerous to me. Don’t get me wrong: In an us or them scenario, I choose us. Nothing here is black and white. I wonder if Bush knows this? Believe me, no one will be happier if I’m proven wrong. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 22nd, 2003, 7:08am on 02/22/03 at 06:46:56, Charlie wrote:
Historically, flying fully fueled planes into our buildings is so brand new. Have you seen the picture of 2 year old with bomb belt strapped to him? They dont need a purpose, they are taught to hate us from birth. Kill or be killed. To have peace you must prepare for war!!!! ...........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 22nd, 2003, 7:13am I agree. Kill the ones who do it. I have no sympathy for them. Why make more though? Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by catlind on Feb 22nd, 2003, 7:21am Jonny, 190,000 US Troops, I don't know how many British, Canadian, Australian, Czech, German (Yes German - specifically bio-chem unit) Russian, Jordanian, etc etc etc, troops that are there as well. That 190,000 is only what is PUBLICLY acknowledged in the region. They all deserve the support of the free world, they are all facing an ultimate price, and we should always keep in mind the innocents already dead throughout Saddam's Regime and Al-Queda's growth, those are not the only 2, but they come to mind the quickest. Everyone has listed legitimate opinions. I tried to give you some facts. The FACT is there is going to be a conflict in Iraq, for or against is neither her nor there, one quote was said that going to war without France was like going duck hunting without your accordian. It's true of all supporting coalition countries I suspect, other than perhaps Britain. But that is my opinion. By all means continue your right to speak and protest but DO NOT forget about the lives on the line on ALL sides. Don't tell me the iraqi people enjoy their life, even though they may not wish to forfeit it. Don't tell me my husband WANTS to walk to war with a bio-chem monster, Ree's sons don't WANT to go deal with this, Aussie doesn't WANT to go play in the sand. The ones who are going are going because they are ordered to go, and they will do their best at what they do, because they swore an oath to uphold their countrie's freedom system. To all Americans I beg of you this: Do not EVER AGAIN treat our service men and women to the atrocities America gave to her Vietnam Vets. Those men and women do NOT CHOOSE to go, they MUST go. For or Against, the least you can do is support them. Cat |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by catlind on Feb 22nd, 2003, 7:35am on 02/22/03 at 06:46:56, Charlie wrote:
Charlie I'm not clear on the majority you refer to. The Iraqi people are actually a very educated people. They have a wealth of positive history prior to becoming Iraq. If they were to get rid of Saddam, and go back to being Messopotamia, they would be able to basque in the glory of THAT history instead of the one that Saddam has given them. on 02/22/03 at 06:46:56, Charlie wrote:
You're right Charlie. When it comes to life and death, there is no black and white, war and peace, politics and religion, etc etc etc. There are no clear cut guidelines for any one interpratation. The population of the world is not secular. Does Bush know this? I think his advisors do if he doesn't. Yes, I would like to see the rest of the intelligence that gives them their proof too, but not at the risk of the lives it endangers to reveal the sources of that intelligence. Cat |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 22nd, 2003, 8:46am Yeah jonny, let's not take it out on Iraq. Am I a Hitler fan? Nope. I lost enough of my family to Hitler. By the way, one of the things he did was slaughter villages of Jews if just one from the village/ghetto rebeled and killed a nazi soldier. In other words, he was taking it out on many. So, are you the Hitler fan, propogating slaughtering many Iraqis because Saudis crashed planes into the Twin Towers? Or because Sadam needs to be taken out? Give ME a fucking break. Should we let any dictator kill and murder? Are you proposing we take out all evil dictators and go to war to do it? Unrevised. Legitimate? Back the troops or shut the fuck up? Show me one post where I haven't backed the troops. I think I've backed them in my posts more than most. And that doesn't include saluting every flagpole put up on this board. And I don't think pushing our troops into a war because it is a "feel good" answer while sitting thousands of miles away from the battles is supporting our troops either. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 22nd, 2003, 12:36pm on 02/22/03 at 08:46:05, Ted wrote:
You damn right I am!!......If theres even a thought that one of these monsters is going to attack us in anyway they should be takin out. I see it like this, someone tells you that a guy wants to kick your ass and later that night that guy starts walking at you in a bar, #1 Do you punch him as soon as he is close enough? #2 Do you let him step to you and take the chance he dont stab you? Me?.....I break a stool over his fucking head before he can even get close to me. But thats just me and my opinion. ...........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Hound_Dogg on Feb 22nd, 2003, 2:19pm Me... I completely support our troops. It's the Government that I don't trust completely. I'll support the action in Iraq "IF" it happens, but right now, I think we need to see what happens. Let the inspectors do their jobs. In the meantime...let's get some more intelligence information on where Al Queda may be. What their next target may be, ETC...What part Iraq and let's not forget Iran may be playing in this. This is why I love this Country so much...Good healthy debates. Jim |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by catlind on Feb 22nd, 2003, 5:00pm Ahhhh you are a smart one Hound Dog. I was waiting for someone to bring in the Iran connection. Like the report of a known Al-Queda camp in Iran.... Wonder if Iraq is a stepping stone? So much to look at in that region and so many different things going on, who knows what they know that we don't know that they are planning. Cat |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by SteveY on Feb 22nd, 2003, 5:41pm Marc If Iraqi people had uncencensored access to the internet and other public domains, that bastard Saddam would have been ousted years ago. Democracy above all and freedom of information good or bad is what seperates us from the others. To upset a few more people, I am a Brit, and proud of it, however, given a choice between alliying with the US or Europe? Stuff Europe, they don't even speak the same language as me. Go get the asbestos suit ready. LONG LIVE FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Silver_Dolphins on Feb 22nd, 2003, 7:58pm Well then. After starting this thread without really saying much at all, I find it to be the most thought provoking thread that I have ever read on this board. Ever. Everyone is so passionate about their beliefs and genreally respectful of others. This is not a gentle subject and it is one that I have wrestled with for some time now. I remember Sept. 11 2001 vividly. I got home from work at 7:30 that morning and had just started to prepare breakfast, watching "Good Morning America" and was reading a message board when the news flashed that a plane had crashed into the WTC. I at first thought it must have been a small aircraft flown by an inexperienced pilot. After all had been discovered, I can honestly say that it is a good thing I am not the president of the United States. The Middle East would still be on fire today if I had the red button nearby. I would have used it. Spare nobody. I thank God that the US leaders had the control that I don't. After much consideration and after having read everyones posts on this thread, and remembering the history of the world, I feel that Saddam Hussein needs to be taken out. ASAP. He is a threat not only to the Iraqi people, but also to the whole world. As was Hitler. Keep in mind that I do not think that Saddam Husseian is responsible for the WTC attack. That is another effort that must be addressed. One fire at a time. Saddam is the bigger fire. With all that said I have to agree with the adage, you are either with us or against us. France, Germany, Russia, and China, what side are you on? My ramble is over. http://URhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TgDfAlwY191Y4YtHxQsk5GWwdpVHlZIvFlw2kZKh6DZvL30mUuvxjkXetPfY7gA892RnKMDc0xWO1cb1fnywvxXrOQd!77ZO!9JvdzQWvd9w9nCOmX0UXg/emerblow.gif?dc=4675410640233837970L |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 22nd, 2003, 8:26pm Cat: I should have been clearer about education. I was thinking mostly of the countless children in Middle Eastern countries that aren’t afforded education or avoid it because from their position, it isn’t a way out. I don’t know the type of education in Iraq, but if it’s anything like the Saudis, it’s even more dangerous. I do support our military. Somewhere along the line, they learn civility and common decency. Not all armies do. I want them all back in one piece. Who knows? Maybe it’s true that the Iraqi regulars are dying to surrender. I still hope one of Saddam’s Republican Guards puts him in a dumpster in about 722 pieces. By the way, on the whole, (and you can find a few glaring examples) A lot of overrun populations were amazed that we didn’t rape and pillage in 1945 . They weren’t ready for armies like ours. We send our best. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 22nd, 2003, 9:57pm on 02/22/03 at 20:26:51, Charlie wrote:
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 23rd, 2003, 9:22am Next stop Iran (and Pakistan for making this all possible). Then N Korea. Then... Inspectors in Iran Examine Machines to Enrich Uranium By MICHAEL R. GORDON ASHINGTON, Feb. 22 — International inspectors visiting Iran this week were shown a network of sophisticated machinery to enrich uranium, spurring concerns that Iran is making headway in its suspected program to develop nuclear weapons, Western officials and international diplomats said today. The site in question is near the city of Natanz and was visited on Friday by Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, who went to Iran to assess the status of its nuclear program. It was the first time that inspectors had visited the installation. During the visit to the Natanz site, inspectors found that it included a small network of centrifuges for enriching uranium. The inspectors also learned that Iran had components to make a significant number of additional centrifuges. American officials believe Natanz is part of a long suspected nuclear weapons program, an Iranian project that American intelligence believes has benefited from Pakistani assistance and that is far more advanced than the effort by Iraq. The officials say Iran's goal is to mine or purchase uranium, process the ore and enrich it to a purity suitable for making weapons — a process that would give Iran a largely indigenous capability to make nuclear weapons. Iran insists that its aim is to make fuel for a civilian nuclear power program, and it maintains that it is opening its plant in Natanz to the atomic energy agency to demonstrate its peaceful intentions. The new information on Iran's program comes at an awkward time for the Bush administration, which is making final military preparations for a potential American-led invasion to topple the government of Saddam Hussein, an action justified partly on grounds that Iraq is seeking to develop nuclear weapons. Noting that North Korea's and Iran's nuclear programs are far ahead of Iraq's, critics of the Bush administration have contended that it has focused too much on a lesser proliferation problem. Administration officials contend that it is important to act before Iraq becomes a nuclear power and say the United States is trying to devise strategies to try to head off North Korea's and Iran's weapons programs. Dr. ElBaradei, who had planned to visit Iranian sites for three days, cut short his visit to Iran and left today. Two senior officials from the atomic energy agency plan to continue their work in Iran for several days. The site near Natanz has long been of concern to American intelligence agencies, which had concluded that Iran was building a large gas centrifuge plant there to enrich uranium. The plant under construction there has thick concrete walls and is being built underground, an apparent precaution against a military attack. After the work on the plant was disclosed by an Iranian opposition group, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, Dr. ElBaradei asked that it be included in his visit to Iran. The agency also pushed for the visit because of Iran's announcement in September that it was proceeding with an ambitious nuclear power program, one that is planned to give it an indigenous ability to make and reprocess its own fuel. One objective of Dr. ElBaradei's visit was to ask Iran to adopt an additional protocol that would provide the agency with significantly greater access to sites in Iran and information about its nuclear program. American and foreign intelligence services believe Iran's program would work as follows: Iran would mine natural uranium at domestic sites or buy it abroad. The uranium would then be taken to a facility at Isfahan, where it would be converted into uranium hexafluoride, a gas. The fuel would then be taken either to the centrifuge facility at Natanz or, perhaps, to some covert centrifuge plant. The progress that Iran has made in centrifuge technology, as documented by the inspectors, reinforces concerns that Iran is moving forward in this major area. Iran says Natanz will be used to produce low-enriched uranium for civilian power plants that it has yet to build. The plant that Russians are building at Bushehr would not need low-enriched uranium from Natanz because Russia is supplying the fuel. Iran also says the Natanz facility will be under international safeguards, which means there will be monitoring equipment and regular inspections to make sure that no enriched uranium is diverted. Cont'd... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/23/international/23IRAN.html?pagewanted=2&th |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by jonny on Feb 23rd, 2003, 4:50pm http://tinyurl.com/6aei |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ueli on Feb 23rd, 2003, 7:22pm Jonny, I thought it was all about defending freedom. Freedom includes freedom of thought and speech. Using 'liberal' as a cussword and calling others that don't agree with your point of view morons is IMHO the beginning of the end of freedom. Is that the way you help defending freedom? hmmmmmm......... Ueli |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Ted on Feb 23rd, 2003, 8:32pm It's nothing to fear, Ueli. There have always been rednecks in this country that never really debate using reason but resort to name calling instead. It's because they have their points of view as a religion. They don't have logic or a rational reason for believing what they believe. All they have is a sort of fanatacism that's not based on reason. Most of them join the skinheads or the Klan here. But not all of them. But that's always been around in all countries. Even the free ones. |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Marc on Feb 23rd, 2003, 8:54pm Ueli, You are correct! It is just like calling people things like: "fucking conceited jackasses" "Fucking Ugly Americans" "Ultra right wing warmonger" I suppose it depends upon a persons perception, but I believe that certain labels DO in fact have (and deserve) negative connotations. That is why I emailed that jpg to Jonny. Some folks in these parts need to learn to take what they dish out. I am anti-war, as are most people. BUT, sometimes a person simply cannot pretend, wish or pray that their problems will simply solve themselves through inaction. Beware of those who label everyone else "extremists" because they don't happen to agree with your views. These are the people who want to limit our freedom! Respectfully, Marc Kurth |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by sailpappy on Feb 23rd, 2003, 9:00pm ;D ;D Ueli and Ted, When I start getting contintious post from the two of you I will know I have said the wrong thing or phrased it in the wrong manner. Until then I feel honored to be writting in the company of you two as well as 99% of the people that use their brains before they open their mouths. Rednecks, ButtHeads, Ignorant, or what ever lable they are given, they are everywhere. But I think they are out numbered! I do not look for support or agreement with my post, only the oppertunity to post them, I know what I speak of from firsthand experience, in 1964 when JFK was shot, I cried, When Martin Luther was Shot I cried, when I sat here and watched the jet liner of innocent people slam into Tower #2 I not only Cried but it threw me back into the depression you suffer when you are close enough to mass death to touch it. Why I have been spared while my friends and commrads in Arms were not is beyond me. However for people that have no clue what the smell of death is, no clue of the lasting impression of having your friends die in your arms, while White Phosperous burns a hole through them because they picked up a 3 year old baby to comfort him only to die with him because he was boobie trapped. Or even the simple things like not being served in a resturant because your hair was too long, to have to physically fight 6 or 7 people by yourself to save your wife and kids from a mob of redneck Clansmen should use their computers to seek information of realistic quality before they spout their mouths off and show their ignorance to the whole world! I am honored to be able to Post with the Likes of you two and Charlie and BobP andCatLind andMargi and on and on and on. My Oldest son is a Career Soldier in the Army, Counter Intellegence is his field and he is at the core of the intelligence gathering group, so I have a bit more insight into things than ------------well -----Let's say Jonny or MarkC. I would like to see Mark or Jonny either on stand face to face with any 17 year old Korean, especially if he is a ROK member! (Regular Army Of Korea) Pappy |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 23rd, 2003, 9:22pm on 02/23/03 at 21:00:27, sailpappy wrote:
What a strange thing to say, not knowing anymore about me than you do. Rest assured I am able to defend myself and family, to the death if necessary! Country Boy can survive pappy........ Now I have had enough of this all war talk.....I'm burned out.......you all talk amoungst yourselves, I am going to find something positive to do, like pray for peace. PFDAN's Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by sailpappy on Feb 23rd, 2003, 9:41pm ;D Mark, What an obsurd thing to say considering the things you have posted not knowing me at all! Pappy http://www.gifs.net/animate/sungulls.gif http://www.gifs.net/animate/sailboat.gif |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Marc on Feb 23rd, 2003, 9:57pm http://webpages.charter.net/mkurth/o.gif I'm done....... |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Elaine on Feb 23rd, 2003, 10:03pm I have a Opinion about the war but I won't share it cause it don't matter. What ever my opinion is won't change a thing. We can all disagree and voice our opinions and fuss and fight about it, the only thing it will chage is this board. It could also hurt friendship. Isn't there enough hate and illness in this world without any of us adding to it. Your all good people with different opinions. You know what I love so many people here from all around the world. I would break bread with any of you. Lets alest have peace here! Lets care care about each other here. God Bless the World and everyone in it!!!! |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Charlie on Feb 23rd, 2003, 10:21pm Some things: Almost all forms of “Love it or leave it” are un-American “My Country, right or wrong” ditto “We saved France’s ass in WWI.” Dumb. We didn’t hurt but we didn’t win it, nor were we the major player. “No other country is as free as America.” Not true. If you are liberal, you are some kind of weak-kneed pacifist. In the 1930s and through Pearl Harbor, Republicans fought FDR tooth and nail. The draft was passed in Congress by one vote. If you protest going to war, you should be exterminated. I’ve read this stupidity here in one or two forms within the last year. It’s un-American, stupid and nuts. It’s okay to be a liberal. It’s okay to be a conservative. It’s not okay to be nuts. I was a Republican until it filled with crazies and people who insist God is a Republican and turn every debate into a blood feud. That is not politics. They wrecked the party by labeling opponents as enemies of God, family, country and decency. To these neo-conservatives, fiscal responsibility means to scrap social programs and pile up debt for and Republican only patronage and defense projects that even military leaders say are useless and won‘t work. Someone once said that the draft wasn’t all bad. He said that it was probably healthy to have a few in the service that hated it. It’s something to ponder, although the servicemen and women I know, are terrific. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Mark C on Feb 23rd, 2003, 10:24pm Pappy, I am not sure to which of my posts you are refering to. I have never disrespected anyone on this board, including you. I may disagree on some philosophical points, but I do not participate personal attacks. If I have attacked you, show me. When I first found this board I was overwhelmed by having someone "on my side" in dealing with CH. I went back and have spent months reading the archives. I was glad to see you come back to the board, albeight a little dramatic. ;) I think we may not be so far apart as you think. But let me be clear, I support our troops....period. I do not agree with everything the Bush Administration is doing but that does not mean I cannot support the men and women of the Armed Services who are in harm's way. I find I agree on quite a few points you, Charlie, and Ted make. I am not stupid or closed minded. I am not a lemming that can be led to slaughter under the guise of patriotism, but I am an American. Right or wrong. I am willing to listen to reason, not rhetoric. I respect your right to your opnion and I apperciate you sharing your experience with us, about life, CH and anything else. I am the parent of two beautiful children ages three and seven. I want the world they grow up in to be better than it is now, as my parents did for me, and I am afraid for my children Pappy. Things have changed. PFDAN's Mark |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by awbootrear on Feb 24th, 2003, 12:18am I got sucked in to this thread. It's interesting to see how immediately following 9/11 people kept talking about how Americans became so unified. And now have such strong and divergent political opinions. I, too, feel strongly about this seemingly increasingly inevitable decision to go to war, because so far, I don't understand the real reason why we have so many troops deployed. Perhaps someone could clarify for me: 1) it doesn't seem like it's in the interest of national security since supposedly war will only increase anti-American sentiment & terrorism. 2) related, if it were about weapons of mass destruction, shouldn't we be more concerned with N. Korea (and others); after all, America has weapons of mass destruction and is explicitly threatening war. 3) maybe it's about regime change, but the Iraqi people support Saddam over a war. 4) it doesnt' seem like it's in the interest of national economy since it will cost billions, increase gas prices, and hurt businesses (coinciding with a recent record recession, unemployment and state deficits). 5) it can't be about saving lives. Don't we have more important domestic issues to attend to (including homeland security)? Why hasn't our government convincingly justified war yet despite incessant media coverage? What will this war really accomplish. PS I love the USA, its land and its determined people; but I'm losing faith in our national and local govenments to preserve these assets that define our freedom and democracy. Alistair |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by sailpappy on Feb 24th, 2003, 9:59am ;D ;D Mark C, Maybe it was meant without disrespect, however given the overall tone of the thread and where you posted, It sure felt like disrespect, sounded like you had joined ranks with the Parrothead and Jonny to further add to the bombardment of someone that Speaks of Up close and very personal experiences. Or maybe your to young to remember the Viet Nam War. I assure you the Koren ROK Army is much better an ally than an enemy, their code of honor and discpline is beyond your comprehention. Quote:
To be at the tip of a country that is similar to Floridas position with the rest of the united states, Only Facing not only the Communist rule of North Korea, but the support of China, South Korea has held an impossible postion Geographically, by shear Might of a determined people. I only voiced my opinion and I fought to insure that you and Jonny and every other person in the Free world could voice theirs, I don't expect some people let alone all people to grasp the message of my post, sometimes the tone of the post over whelms you emotional side canceling out the ability to look at it objectivly and rationally. How Dare you or any None Vet question anythigng I have to offer, when you stand eye to eye with the enemy and face death every second of the day to stand up for others freedoms then we can talk! If you need a clue I suggest you go check out the movie "Platoon" and watch it very closely, imagine being there Day after Day facing the same thing ,over and over night after night. That is the most realistic Viet Nam movie I have ever seen. My Oldest son I a Sargent in the Army right at this very moment, He is at the very top level of the intellegence gathering group and using Technology that you don't even know about yet! I want a free world for Our Children, I have raised 3 and now I am raising 2 Grandkids(1 a Foster child) I want to be able to go take them to Disney World without worrying that they might die in a Gas Cloud or be blown to bits by a fanatical extremest. So Mark, I have read your post too and I respect your opinion as you state it well most of the time, but you might reread the post, maybe after understanding why I feel insulted you can see how that would occur from your post. I am with Elaine, there is no reason to alienate anyone on this board, it's only a fourm to express opinion and offer help, when I can not offer help through personal experience,maybe it's time to leave! Pappy |
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Title: Re: Some French Companies to boycott Post by Slammy on Feb 24th, 2003, 4:16pm Can someone please pass the potatoes? ;D Slammy 8) |
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