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(Message started by: jonny on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:30pm)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by jonny on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:30pm

:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

.........................jonny >:(

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Margi on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:36pm

You TOOK his meds???????

I'm with Jonny on this one.
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-/

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Jackie on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:49pm

I think you need to ask a higher power for forgiveness on that one.

Jackie

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by SommelierCH on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:52pm

Foregiveness? Not here! You’re lucky you’re not dead.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by DougL on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:58pm

All I have to say is...

HOW DARE YOU! >:(

If you were my partner.
You would eather be single or in the dog house untill sping or summer! Most likely single! >:(
DougL >:(

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ted on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:04pm

:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ::)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by oringkid on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:06pm

That is kinda like unplugging the heart/lung machine in ICU.

That is pretty low and makes me think, you really don't know what having this is like, or that you think it is all bullshit.

I don't know you (I've been away for a while) and maybe I'm putting my foot in it, but, I'm with Jackie on this. I don't think you will find much forgiveness here.

Sherry

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Margi on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:12pm

cool post, Sherry.

Why anyone would even admit to this kind of cruelty is beyond me.
::)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by DougL on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:14pm

Cathy,
Check your email!
The more I think of this. The more I have to say >:(
DougL

Title: ithRe: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Edna on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:16pm

Well cathy, I have to agree with that we here can grant you no forgiveness........I'm intelligent enough to understand that you are the supporter.......yet find it hard to believe that you would do something so cruel.

My family would NEVER intentionally take my meds from within my reach during one of my cycles.

If Wes has already forgiven you, you are ONE lucky woman....and my suggestion would be the ask for forgiveness yet again but this time to someone further up the ladder than us ch sufferers.

I would also suggest you please visit the supporters corner here and try and meet other supporters that could give you tips in the right direction.

Please convey my pf wishes to wes, and hope that you find it in your heart somewhere to learn what a good supporter should do.....and for beginners...NEVER do that again.

EDNA

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by ave on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:33pm

Shee-it girl, there's fighting and fighting.
When you fight, you fight true, open visor, both have the same opportunity.

Still and all, you 'fessed up. I hope you now realize what you did, and won't do it again. I hope, I hope, I hope.

Go on, love him, even if he is a bother of a man...

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Elaine on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:56pm

Cathy I had my meds taken away from me one time by someone. It was and still is very hard for me to trust that person to this day. I think its a very mean thing to do. One of the meanest. I am sure we can be hard to get along with when we are in pain, but doing that is not right.

I forgave the person that took my meds but I never trusted that person again.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by eyes_afire on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:58pm

Wow, I'm speechless. I'm not sure why you would admit to this cruelty here.
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by StanTheMan on Dec 10^th, 2002, 5:04pm

Cathy,

I'm not going to throw stones at you, IF you are truly repentant AND fully understand the gravity of your offense.

You physically abused (or tortured) a human being. Plain and simple. Do you fully understand this?

How much sympathy would a guy find if he confessed to a bunch of ladies that he beat up his wife? Said he felt really bad -- but hey, it sure is a great way to abort an argument! Just threaten to beat her up.

So, we're not the people you need to ask for forgiveness. You need to ask Wes for forgiveness. (Not just say "I'm sorry".)

Then ask God to forgive you -- if you believe in Him.

God is always willing to forgive those you truly repent.

Furthermore, if you EVER get tempted to "fight" in this manner again, I strongly suggest you get professional help.
Another incident like this and Wes would have just cause to get a retraining order put on you.

Praying for you both.

Stan

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ann on Dec 10^th, 2002, 6:56pm

I am flabbergasted!!! I can't believe you did that! You must have been really pissed off? But still >:( You must have really really hated him at that moment? But still >:( I'm telling you, if someone ever did that to me, they would be out the door so damn fast. How can you say you love Wes and do something like this? It blows my mind. I'm just..just flabbergasted!!!

Ann

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by ShariRae on Dec 10^th, 2002, 6:57pm

Cathy,
That was just plain wrong on so many levels..Wes must be a helluva guy to forgive ya for that whopper. I have to admit..that if my hubby did that to me..he would be out on his med stealin ass..and not be let back in..ever. You broke a trust..a special trust that a sufferer & supporter share..and it may take a while to rebuild..if ever.
Shari

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ted on Dec 10^th, 2002, 7:21pm

When my brother Jason was dying from cancer we had a blazing row while I was taking him in to get his chemo ( I mean of the fiery kind....get it blazing, fiery........oh well, no matter) and I commit the ulitimate crime, and I mean ULTIMATE cancerville sin.. :-/
(hell, we all make mistakes.. ) >:(
I, yes me, after slamming out of the car (I'd probably have been shoved out anyway....) snuck into his doctor's office and found the chemo they were going to hook him up with and changed it for just a saline solution....... :-/ I did however, before I left, shout back at him ....not to shout at me cause it might make the lung cancer kill him.......but to smoke a cigarette may help... ;D.. did he listen NO...do they ever ??

So meds switched on him, in a temper I left.

Later that night............(on arriving home a few hours later....)

"Hi Jason, are you ok??" Well lets just say he didn't greet me with a LOL ;D ;D

He'd had quite (and I use the term lightly) a BAD night, in fact, he looked like a bag of shit!! ::)

I now feel really bad and want to repent my sin.... :'(

For his remaining days if he thought a blazing row is on the cards I get flowers, chocs and cigarettes....Therefore I have made a startling discovery which I feel I should share.....Meds may not cure cancer but f**k they're good for aborting arguments......LOL ;D ;D ;D

Sorry.....LOLLOL (no, really Im sorry)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cathy, I just changed a few words so you can see this little prank that you even were snickering and laughing about in this post was a pretty cruel one.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by suzy617 on Dec 10^th, 2002, 7:26pm

Cathy,
Next time you fight just walk out the door, curse him, throw things, but dont take the meds. :(

suzy

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by OneEyeBlind on Dec 10^th, 2002, 7:33pm

Sorry, gotta go out on a limb here .... been there done that, yadadada. I've seen it all in my day. And if Cathy could get her hubby to stop, look, and listen, save the relationship between them.... Well, one night without meds will not kill a clusterhead. Might kill a cancer patient, might kill any other human dying from another dreaded disease, but remember folks ... we are clusterheads ... WE DON'T DIE FROM THIS SHIT ... WE LIVE IN AGONY !!!! It'll make him mighty unconfortable, but never kill him. A month without a true supporter just might. Just my humble opinion. Please send any violent responses to my personal email address. I have put on my flame retardent suit. Love you all, but I do have my own opinion !!!!

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Elaine on Dec 10^th, 2002, 7:53pm

Damn how shity sorry just my opinion ! ;)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 10^th, 2002, 7:58pm

I'd jus leave the meds where there at if "that" pissed off 'n jus 'shoot' at him 'an miss.........shame shame......live 'n learn tho I always say.............

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ted on Dec 10^th, 2002, 8:00pm

I don't think anyone said it would kill him, Nancy. There are cruel things that happen that don't include murder though.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by eyes_afire on Dec 10^th, 2002, 9:23pm

Nancy, it's not just the fact that the action was cruel... it's kinda like: Why would someone even mention that here? ??? ??? ??? ???. That's kinda like killing the baby elephant in front of it's mother. Confessions are why god was made. Exactly what purpose will that serve here??? Plus, the post was 'too cute'. If there are personal problems, take care of them, but don't kill the baby elephant in front of it's mother. Sheesh. If that happened to me, we would probably be throwin down right then and there. I can't even believe that someone would post that here ??? ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by OneEyeBlind on Dec 10^th, 2002, 9:48pm

Perhaps my response is generated from the fact that my husband is not doing well. His chemo treatments have not been working so far. Even if they were working, we would face another 36 weeks of the hell we have already been through. Perhaps, that makes me more compasionate to the mistakes people make in their lives. Perhaps, it makes me read the posts and take a good look at what the person was really trying to say. Perhaps I am just full of shit. The one thing I do know for sure, and said before is, cluster headaches will never kill us. With or without meds. Done both am I am still here.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Charlie on Dec 10^th, 2002, 10:00pm

:o :( >:( :-X

Charlie :o

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 10^th, 2002, 11:16pm

Hmmm. Guess, I'm coming to this thread kinda late in the game here, but let me get this straight....

You and your man had a fight. You left , (good for you)
but you took his only sanity with you?

Lets say he was totally wrong in this fight you had.
You are innocent.
Take away nookie for a year.
refuse to cook, clean and wash his car, but
you did a bad thing Cathi. really you did. And now that you know it, I hope everyone gets off your back.

CATHI IS NEVER/EVER GONNA DO THAT AGAIN HUH???????

Linda

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by paul_b on Dec 11^th, 2002, 12:57am

Taking the meds was an act of retribution. Now you pay the penalty for that behavior, condemnation.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by jonny on Dec 11^th, 2002, 1:55am

CH wont kill you is true, someone taking your meds while theres a gun in the house just might!!!.

.......................jonny

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cathy on Dec 11^th, 2002, 2:52am

Okay I appreciate all of your honest opinions and yes I am truely sorry but I wanted the world to know BECAUSE it WAS such a shitty thing to do .....Wes is a truely wonderful person and did not deserve such a thing to be done to him.........Thanks at least for your honest replies and I do not regret posting this as whether or not Im forgiven I have understood the gravity of my actions.....I do!!!!

To you all, who I hope will not hold this against me forever, but will understand if you do....I wish you all PFDAN ..............but I have to add I do not believe that you are ALL whiter than white and have NEVER done anything that you truely regret..
Well hey I have and now you all know and I will have to live with it forever but with or without you lot Wes and I will go on loving and TRUSTING each other cos thats what love and marriage are all about.

Truely ashamed.
Cathy :'(

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 11^th, 2002, 3:15am

Nope! No way, are any of us whiter than white Cathy.

And I have done a lot of things I regret. But not in my wildest dreams would I have ever done this. Even to my ex.... (he doesn't have clusters)

I can see that you are really sorry hon, but, I still am asking myself......why would you post this????????????

Linda

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by pimmony on Dec 11^th, 2002, 3:50am

I think the title says it all, giving the reason why ye posted here.

(I need forgiveness)

I do not believe any one of us who has suffered a cluster attack would not read your post with growing confusion and alarm - or end up not feeling really quite angry and condemnatory.

You appreciated our honesty and then got defensive regarding your great relationship, there was no need. From what you say Wes and you have reached some balance on this issue and I hoped it was not an uneven power balance. You take the medications away and you hold a substantial part of the power.

I cannot help think the argument must have been so appalling that you must have felt degraded or abused to have had to find the only way you knew how to grab the power and diminish him to a position where he would be less and maleable?

If global forgiveness is required (and I think only Wes forgiveness really is ) then we would all have to understand fully. You confessed something really large for here, you cannot get defensive when people ask for more information. I suspect to give more would be too personal and trusting us to get past all the rungs to get to forgiveness without the whole truth is really a lot to ask.

I think you know you crossed a boundary, even if your act seems less inconceivable to you than it does to us. Like a partner who cheats, how do you know you will not do it again? There truly is an element of trust lost.

I have the most wonderful supportive partner, but your post made me think what it would be like if she did something so bad to me. My main fear, and it was like a physical pain to me to even think it, was that she would do this because it would render me even more powerless and grovelling than an attack does. What a truly horrible thought.

You have the power. You already have it - you are a loved and trusted supporter. No matter what is said and how it seems to belittle you, there is no higher earthly power than a cluster supporter - to me.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by SommelierCH on Dec 11^th, 2002, 4:02am

Good post pimmony,

That's what this site is all about. Aren't you glad you stuck around and then jumped in? I am.

David J.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Charlie on Dec 11^th, 2002, 5:02am

Oh my secular entity. ::)

I agree pretty much with the general idea of two posts in a row. :o

It will take time, lots of time........ :-/

Charlie

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ree on Dec 11^th, 2002, 5:35am

I ALMOST PUMMELLED A PHARMACIST FOR NOT CALLING MY DOCTOR WHEN I WENT TO PICK UP A MED FOR MY MIGRAINE... me little me... the docs office closed and i had to OD on over the counter stuff til the next day...

Ok people lets go easy on Cathy... everyone makes mistakes... IM gonna show this one to Dave... It might make a good threat in our next BIG FIGHT...(only kidding dont kill me) Cathy you are a sicko... but rightly forgiven. We all go crazy sometimes... Not suicidally crazy like you were... HOW LONG WERE YOU GONE???/ Don't do it again... I still love you Ree

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cathy on Dec 11^th, 2002, 7:11am

From Wes
In response to the post which my wife posted may I please set the record straight...........YES what Cathy did was inexcusable, why she confessed I don't know, maybe to show all side of all of us, good, bad and evil, we are all at the end of the day only human or inhumane in her case!!!
However all said and done I need you all to know that without her I would never have got through this hell, the row (which I will not go into) came at the end of a long CH cycle, she always gets up in the night with me and we were both exhausted......Im sure you've all been there.
She is at present studying for a degree, bringing up 4 kids, supporting me and working full time....the studying is for a better job in the hope that I can leave work next year as the CH is so bad.
Her persistance (and temper) got me after 3 years a diagnosis and the meds I needed, she still fights relentlessly for as medication here is not readily available, she is also fighting for us ALL making more people aware....

I forgave her and hope you can find it in yourselves not to judge her actions too harshly by what you've read in one post.

At the time had a gun been in the house, yeah I'd have probably shot her would that have been a reasonable action for nicking my meds????
Thinking about it, yeah probably...

She is loving, caring and in this instance acted completely OUT of character...........thank god!

Wishing you all PFDAN..........Wes

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Mark C on Dec 11^th, 2002, 7:13am

:'(

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by echo on Dec 11^th, 2002, 8:05am

Cathy -- :-X :-X :-X
After reading Wes's response you are truly a fortunate women. Wes definately recognizes all you bring to him and your family, the pressures you deal with, and the love and support you share and thereby can see though the latest event to forgive and move on. I hope if put in the same position I could do the same thing.

FYI - the thread event is one reason I hide some of my abortives.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by brain_cramps on Dec 11^th, 2002, 8:23am

I had health-care take away my meds 4 cycles ago and the doctor is still walking, the hospital is still standing, and I'm not quite sure why. Lucky my cycles are short (1 month every 18months).

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Jimi on Dec 11^th, 2002, 8:29am

If Wes forgives you and you truly realize the many ramifications that taking all his meds really meant and feel sick about it than I can live with it and not hold it over your head in any future posts here. I will assume that it was in the heat of the battle and you were not thinking at all. So anyway, now you know how us clusterheads feel about something like that. In that, we don't play....

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 11^th, 2002, 8:51am

Cathi must type 20 Hail Mary's and Wes's in a row............................. ;)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Margi on Dec 11^th, 2002, 9:03am

Cathy, you know I've thought about this all night. I literally pushed myself away from my keyboard when I read your words yesterday. I haven't been that angry in a long time. I'm still not sure why you felt the need to post something like this but...whatever.... ::)

I've calmed down now and feel a little more confident that I can put my feelings into words a little more sanely today.

To me, it's abuse - plain and simple. I intimately understand the challenges being a cluster supporter brings and the frustration levels get pretty high at times. Coupled with cumulative sleep deprivation, tempers do run short on both sides. I doubt there are many clusterheads who actually would forgive their supporters for something like this - consider yourself extremely fortunate that yours has.

I will admit it did take courage for you to admit this, and I'm hoping your goal in posting this was as an example of what lines not to cross as a supporter.

And, Nancy - you're right - going med free is possible for a clusterhead. My husband has done it repeatedly. But Cathy took that choice away from her husband. That's where it was so morally wrong. And, at the peak of a cycle, ESPECIALLY after an argument with a loved one - who's to say that an act like this wouldn't be the catalyst to push a clusterhead towards the "S" word? Yes, we do all make mistakes as supporters AND sufferers. But there have to be some taboos clearly defined here in Clusteropolis. Denying meds is sure top of MY list. ::)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Stampertje on Dec 11^th, 2002, 9:09am

Cathi,

you should be glad you're not my partner. I have 3 big and 4 small cilinders of O2 standing in my CH-room. If my girl would pull that stunt that you did, she would have huge hernia!!! ;D

Anyway, praise yourself lucky with Wes. Many of us wouldn't be so forgiven. And beside this "mistake", Wes is lucky to have you (reading his story).

Keep on supporting him and never forget this!!!

Rik

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by DougL on Dec 11^th, 2002, 9:50am

I emailed Cathy yesterday.
This responce realy pulled my chain.

Hey get a life.....
Wes nicked my fags once that was bad.
----- Original Message -----
From: dohfq
To: wesley.boorman@ntlworld.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Med stealing!

I usally dont like posting email but this is unforgivable!
DOUGL

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Cathi on Dec 11^th, 2002, 10:00am

There's a LITTLE part of this that Cathy has forgotten to include here- this did NOT happen yesterday- it was something that occurred quite awhile ago- this from a pm she sent to me.
It seems to me, if it happened ssooo long ago, and Cathy is still "fessing up to it", she is abundantly aware of the heinous crime she committed.....and she's had time to prove herself trustworthy to Wes.
Cathy, did you post this so that, once and for all, it could be over? Had you/would you/could you EVEN consider ever doing something like this again? I KNOW the answer.....of course not!!
It'll never happen again, I know-you and Wes just take care of each other!
Cathi

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Margi on Dec 11^th, 2002, 10:02am

unbelievable. Taking someone's smokes is grounds to take their meds in return?

Normally, I'm against posting private emails in a forum like this, but I'm glad you shed a little more light on this one for us, Doug.

And, Cathi (not Cathy, the 'supporter')? No use trying to spread your sunshine on this one. This community will not forgive this one. Ever.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Gani on Dec 11^th, 2002, 10:13am

gettiing silly
::) ::)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by fubar on Dec 11^th, 2002, 11:37am

I'm just at a loss for words to explain all the thoughts going through my head right now...

Cathy, it's easy for a lot of people here to say "bad bad cathy... you would never survive pulling that shit on me..." but your relationship with Wes is obviously above that kind of nonsense.

However

If I was in a cluster, and I knew my supporter had denied me access to the meds just to spite me for some other offense, I would fucking lose it, big time. Who knows if I would ever forgive, but you didn't do this to me, so who cares?

What puzzles me the most is this... why the hell post something like that here? I mean, if you need forgiveness, get it from the only people who can give it to you... namely Wes, youself, and your (insert diety here). There is nothing (NOTHING) to be gained by posting that here, except to stir up the shit (quite a bit, I might add). Nobody here is going to understand how Wes could forgive you, and it sounds like he did already, so again, why post here? It makes me wonder.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by oringkid on Dec 11^th, 2002, 12:28pm

No, CH won't kill you, and I have gone without meds for many years. However, one of the things that bothers me the most about this is what first came to my mind when reading this.

"WHY? What were the thoughts going through her mind when she did this? What did she think she was going to accomplish? What exactly, does she think of CH? Does she think that those meds are just a crutch? Does she actually believe that CH is just a made up condition?"

If I took meds, and someone took them from me, being without them would not bother me half as much as contemplating the obvious and intentional cruelty of the act. I think that is probably what we all object to the most here. We have all gone through CH attacks without meds. Been there, done that and probably will again. But the idea of someone whom we thought loved us, and whom we trusted, doing something like that, must make us step back and reevaluate this person.

Sorry Cathy, but I, like many of the others here, also cannot understand, not only why you would do it, but why tell us? I know that it is impossible for those who do not suffer from CH to truly comprehend the severity of the attacks. But by telling us this, you are underlining one of our greatest frustrations...the fact that few people can or will take us and this affiction seriously.

Your husband has forgiven you, and he is the only one who can. I can't believe that you thought that we would be understanding and laugh about it with you. That shows more than anything else how little you understand this disease.

Ok, I'm done. Just had to get that out, cuz I, like Margi, have been contemplating this, trying to get a grip on it.

Sherry

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 11^th, 2002, 12:49pm

Wouldn't this sorta thing fall under the act of 'gettin in the last word' type deal....literally....I mean bein so despret ta get yer point across you'd go for the low blow.....make the other person suffer wether they got your point or not......wether right or wrong.....guess what...an " I " won self satisfaction feelin by doin that ?? People do strange scarey things when in a rage.....not that any of it is good..........

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by brain_cramps on Dec 11^th, 2002, 12:53pm

ok... 50 replies...i think this horse is dead... lets move on

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Drk^Angel on Dec 11^th, 2002, 1:31pm

Why would anyone in their right mind ever steal the meds of a person with a chronic illness?? That is just plain cruel, sadistic, and inhumane. Next time why don't you just kick him in the balls, and throw him out a window. That'd be a Hell of a lot less cruel if you ask me. Being a supporter is more than living with a clusterhead, and joining a message board. It requires understanding and trust. And you are definitely no supporter.

Wes... You are a much more forgiving person than I could ever be. You deserve more than you have settled for. Good luck in the future. PFDAN.

Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Edna on Dec 11^th, 2002, 1:47pm

Well, was that response truly from wes????? OR.....from cathi posing as wes....hmmmm??????

See, how do we know to lay trust with you or not after a post as such......

......yes "wes" we all have evil, but to me this is beyond evil if cathi is a true supporter......still unimaginable to me.

So you guys have a lot going on in your lives right now you explain.......don't we all......all the more reason NOT to have done such a thing to ADD to the stress.....and did EVERYONE miss this......

"At the time had a gun been in the house, yeah I'd have probably shot her would that have been a reasonable action for nicking my meds?
Thinking about it, yeah probably... "

OK, or would the dreaded "S" thoughts we all can relate to have overtaken wes,

Forgiveness for cathi need not come from ANY of us here.....just regrets that you have a supporter that would play such immature tricks on you....thus leaving me to believe that the word supporter comes lightly to her.

Sorry, and my only hope is that the two of you resolve this........more concern for you wes than cathi any way, thoughts are with YOU cluster sufferer........wishing you as many pf moments possible so that other events in your life may become less stressful

Deeply troubled by this,
EDNA

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Charlie on Dec 11^th, 2002, 10:33pm

Got pretty quiet here.

No one go away.

Most of us have calmed down

Charlie

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 11^th, 2002, 11:02pm

I understand the stolen meds with disapearing wife happen'd MANY years ago...I kinda think that needs ta be brought to attention....back when it wasn't understood what was goin on..............NOT that is was right......but things weren't bein understood at that time back then......that part wasn't explained..............live 'n learn I 'spose............Pam........

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Svenn on Dec 12^th, 2002, 8:42am

If my wife had done that to me,im pretty sure that i have killed her and left the rest for the crows without thinking a sec about the consequences.

WESS YOU HAVE MY DEEPEST SYMPATHY

This is insane

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Margi on Dec 12^th, 2002, 9:56am

Pam! We have a first name finally! Cool!

I'm sorry, Pam, but pain is pain. Whether she understood WHAT clusters were at that point or not is irrelevant. She KNEW he was in pain and that the meds could help him. It was the cruelest thing she could do to him. Jackie's right. She'll need forgiveness from a higher power that an internet message board. ::)

Dark's words speak volumes here:

"Being a supporter is more than living with a clusterhead, and joining a message board. It requires understanding and trust. And you are definitely no supporter"

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 12^th, 2002, 10:24am

Hello.....I didn't realize I never signed my first name....sorry bout that !! Hey I think Cathi is very sorry for what happen'd......I think in some fits of rage people do odd things ta get the control they can't get otherwise.....sort of an outa control control maybe ?? It's short lived in this typea situation......but I think that's what it was all about....it's done....and it's over with......timea ta move on I say !!! Thanks.....Pam ;)

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by don on Dec 12^th, 2002, 10:51am

That was pure fucking evil !

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by woobie on Dec 12^th, 2002, 11:39am

WOW "God'll get ya for that!!"

I just wanna say that Ramon is sometimes very difficult to live with, but I would NEVER even CONSIDER taking his meds away. NEVER! I dont care WHAT he did.

No one deserves that.

Merry Christmas, Ya'll!!

Tina

Title: sick
Post by rumplestiltskin on Dec 13^th, 2002, 6:30am

fucking grandstanding soap opera bullshit...plain and simple.

den

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ree on Dec 13^th, 2002, 9:01am

and I think she gets the message ok Shut UP everyone... what did HE do to her that made her do that did anyone ask??????????????? are we all so perfect in our marriges????????????I wish I could take my X husbands meds away for some of the torture he put me through... just shut up(and thats a bad word for me) shhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhh

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 13^th, 2002, 10:08am

YEAH ree's rite.....who knows what aweful thing this guy coulda done....and she was nice enuff and respectful nuff NOT to even talk bad about him and what he did....two sides ta ever story......not that either side does the rite thing...but best ta know both sides bafore passin judgements. I've heard both sides to lotta conflicts thru the years round here 'n man oh man....one if em's liein...................Pam coots

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by DougL on Dec 13^th, 2002, 12:18pm

Ree!

Would you please re post your message?
I don't think I hear you.

DougL

My oppinion still stands on this one.
What she did was just plain Vishous! >:(

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by echo on Dec 13^th, 2002, 2:35pm

I say we take them both out and beat the crap out of them. >:(

In the Christmas spirit of course!

Just kidding!

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by RevDeFord on Dec 13^th, 2002, 5:30pm

Posting that you stole somone's meds is like signing up for a message board for Cats and talking about the fact that you threw your cat in the blender and made a VanillaCatum Smoothy.

It just aint smart.

No offense Don or Bill.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Ree on Dec 13^th, 2002, 8:50pm

and from what i hear Doug L you tortured her with email too... enough is enough... I heard from Cathy by email and no one will hear from her again. So much for talking to your friends about an issue that bothers you... Let he without sin cast out that first stone... ya well there would be one stoneless party here!!!!
nuff said... sometimes I get sick when I think of the perfection that some of us think we hold... think again ree

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by Margi on Dec 13^th, 2002, 9:02pm

This is why I wish this thread was on the Supporters Forum - because then I could lock it and put an end to this endless posting.

Enough people. We've all had our say ad nauseum on this one.

Title: Re: Confessions (I need forgiveness)
Post by cootie on Dec 13^th, 2002, 11:19pm

I say DROP IT also....Cathi is a nice person.......she only ment this to be an entertaining 'guess what I did when I was young and dumb' syndrone topic.....a stoneing is in order for all who goes beyond this post.....lets drop it and hope to hear from her 'gin......this happend many years ago......deal ???