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(Message started by: john_o on Nov 24^th, 2002, 11:08am)

Title: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by john_o on Nov 24^th, 2002, 11:08am

Well Im about to start a new cycle, and am heading to Amsterdam to try the shrooms. I whatched the message board deuring my last cycle about 6 months ago and decided then that this time, I was gonna try the shrooms no matter what. Well I leave on Friday, straight after work.

My only problem is I dont know exactly how to go about finding shrooms in Amsterdam. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they sell the mushrooms in coffee shops ? Where can I find these shops or just the shrooms. What should I ask for ?

Please any help in this matter would be greatly apretiated and held in the strictest confidence if you so wish. If you dont want to post the information here you can e-mail me at john@londom.net .

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by captdshea on Nov 24^th, 2002, 11:18am

John- caution you will not find mushrooms in coffee
houses in Amsterdam. Not the coffee houses I have been in and that is about eighty percent of them. And you will go to prison if you are caught with them.

David

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by marty on Nov 24^th, 2002, 2:06pm

Dude..

Why go to Amsterdam.. I'm sure that you can find it a lot easier in the U.S. And while you are at it.. why not do the heroin and the rock-cocaine to :-X :-X :-X

Do yourself a favor - find a good Dr / Neuro. Read and try out what these good people have posted on this board - it works for them and it might work for you to.

China.. now that's a good idea - they have the opium houses!

Marty

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by netniet on Nov 24^th, 2002, 2:41pm

I'm not sure your doing the right thing;
first of all you can't buy mushrooms in the coffeeshops (I now cause Im dutch) .
Second; it's dangerous to take mushrooms with no one near you, it's very possible you have a bad trip, and god now's what happends to you then.

It's like Marty say why go to Amsterdam, if you really want do it, do it in the US. I think it's a lot saver for you!!
You don't even now what mushrooms to buy, we have shops you can buy mushrooms, and yes you get advise but I think you shoudn't risk it.

I'm not against drugs (I'm still dutch ;D) but I don't think this is the way to do it.

net-
please be carefull :-[

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by 2late on Nov 24^th, 2002, 3:38pm

before you go, what's yer story?, what meds have you tried? episodic or chronic? your thinkin' about hashbars in amsterdam, wich is great(wish we had 'em here) not shrooms. .........2late

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by netniet on Nov 24^th, 2002, 3:52pm

we call hashbars, coffeeshops, but again you won't find there any mushrooms.

net-

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Not4Hire on Nov 24^th, 2002, 4:16pm

to quote Arlo: "You can get anything you want--at Alice's Restaurant/(insert establishment of choice)"....ANYWHERE you go, you can get anything you NEED...... but WATCH yer back...... there are alternatives and MUCH safer ways to go....if ya haven't seen "Midnight Express" lately--it IS a reality check.........we hear almost NO whining from incarcerated people 'bout their headaches (or other afflictions/insertions/aberations).....hmmmmm ;D

...check the ABUNDANT info re shrooms before buying tickets to Amsterdam/Lima/BFEgypt.....do yer homework *here* before ya make a MajorMove.... ya just might find yer *key*

Good Luck!

click this:
http://home.attbi.com/~rwold350/

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by john_o on Nov 24^th, 2002, 5:25pm

Well to answer some of youre questions, I am an episodic sufferer. I have had clusters for about 12 years now. At first it was once a year every year in august like clock work. The last 4 years it has become for frequent and bouts last longer. At the moment i figure its 1 bout every 6 months or so and it lasts about 3 months.

I have followed this site for about 3 years actually and have tried alot of the advice given. This site put me onto Imatrix (thank you) and that has been a God send for the last 2 years.

I have never mannaged to stop a bout, but the Imatrix and CO2 have been good at aborting attacks for me. I live in Israel and the CO2 is difficult to get here (beurocracy and health care in a semi socialist society :() and the Imatrix is expensive. The injections are just way to expensive and Nasal spray is also quite pricey, so I use it only when I really need to cope with life in a hurry. So mostly I use Imetrix pils. The pil with a strong cup of coffee gives me relief after about 20 min thugh and the 20 minute wait is excrutiatingly painful. Also an attack last between 30 min to 2 hours. That is why I want to try and nip this bout in the bud.

I read alot about the shrooms on the site and have done some research of my owne. I am not particularly worried about side affects as I did quite a bit of acid in my young and wilder days (i am in my late 30's).

I have not mannaged to find the shrooms in srael and must admit I am very reluctant to do anything ilegal as I am a family man with responsabilitys. I know you CAN buy shrooms in Amsterdam and that certain shops have a license to sell them. I am looking for constructive help here plz, so if ya want to help, plz do, otherwise let me deal with my CH. My eyes are open and I know what I am gettin myself into.

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by captdshea on Nov 24^th, 2002, 5:53pm

John-O, I am being very honest with you, And my only
attention is to try to help you. I have been in many
coffee houses In Amsterdam in the last 2yrs. I last was
in one in October, Oct. 12,13, and 14..

Your question was how can I find mushrooms in Amsterdam and to correct you if you are wrong. Sorry
John, You are wrong. you will not find mushrooms in
the Coffee houses of Amsterdam.

David

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Ueli on Nov 24^th, 2002, 6:37pm

john_o,

There are places in the Nederlands where you can buy shrooms.
Henk had much success with bought shrooms. So send him an e-mail and ask about it.
His addy: henk@henkg.demon.nl

PFNADs
Ueli

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Murazza on Nov 25^th, 2002, 7:31am

Dear John,

according to your post you should be in Amsterdam now. I don't know what relief you are trying to find with mushrooms, but it only takes you on a strong trip for about 4 to five hours and let me warn you that they are EXTREMELY POWERFUL!!! I can't see how they will help you with your CH, as it only causes you to hallucinate, which can be a pretty scary experience if you don't know what to expect. So, if you read this, please be careful!!

NOTE: they are not available at Coffeeshops. And, in contrary to what David posted before: unless you carry large quantities you will not get arrested, stiil watch out what and WHERE you do...

Take care...

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by ave on Nov 25^th, 2002, 8:07am

Murazza (?), you ask to be corrected if you are wrong - you are, in a measure.

This site has published a great many stories by people who were better after trying magic mushrooms. Not everybody, let me add, but a much greater percentage than might be expected from just any non-medical palliative or preventive measure.

The working of the active ingredient is totally different from heroin, cocaine, opium...

Since I live in the Netherlands myself I have tried them and they have certainly stopped one whole episode before it could really start up and have seemingly rearranged my cluster programme. So do read up about this subject before you tell people not to try them.
They are moreover not addictive.
Don't think I am pushing drug-using; I found the whole experience uncomfortable to say the least, but in need I would do it again.

John, what you need are SMART SHOPS; they sell lots of herbal and other stuff, also figurines of elfs.... You can not be arrested for carrying an ordinary amount in this country but you are not allowed to preserve them, or take them abroad.

For cluster purposes , try a small trip, about 1/4 or 1/3 of a recreational dose. You will probabaly get the cuban which is also called mexican around here. Some shops supply a leaflet with information. The shop where I go already knows about shrooms being good for cluster headaches.
Good luck with it, Annemarie

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by john_o on Nov 25^th, 2002, 8:25am

Annemarie please could you give me the name and address of the shop where they know about shrooms and CH. I would much prefer to go to THAT shop.

I have recieved several E-Mails and the response has been great. Thanx to all for the advice an info. For those who posted here and said that shrooms have no effect on clusters, please do some homework. You will find that there IS a connection. LSD was first created and investigated as a drug to combat migraines and LSD is a synthetic copy of Psilocybe mushrooms (shrooms). Many many ppl on this site have had fantastic results from using shrooms. I find it sad that youre western tabboos have so slanted your viewpoint that the idea that somthing that is not made by a western pharmasutical company is of no worth and not to be looked at. Grow up ppl. 25% of all medication produced today is based on herbal and natural ingredients. The fact that these are proccessed and packaged as a pill shouldnt fool you!

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Murazza on Nov 25^th, 2002, 8:33am

john,

if it works for you, than off course you should do it! But have you tried it earlier? I just wanted to inform you that it is very powerful. Hope you find your relief!

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by john_o on Nov 25^th, 2002, 10:25am

Well no, I have not tried it before. I did take a mushroom or 2 im wilder days about 15 or more years ago, but I dont know excactly what kinda mushrooms they were, and in those days I was pain free and quite the druggie. I have done acid many time also many years ago, and have smoked alot of grass. Of course I dont do these things anymore, as I am older and much much more mature. But the idea of the trip does not really worry me. I just hope that this "remedy" will work in my case as I am really not looking forward to my bout with the beast and I can feel its about to start. Actualy had a kip 4 last night. I hate to say it but I am a afraid. I am just plain scared of the pain and will do ANYTHING to make it not start.

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Mastifflvr28 on Nov 25^th, 2002, 11:20am

Murazza,
Here are are couple of sites for you to research:

http://home.attbi.com/~rwold350/

http://www.geocities.com/ClusterBusters2002/

John_o, I wish you the best of luck,
Mast

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Murazza on Nov 25^th, 2002, 1:24pm

Mast,

Thank you for the links, I am truly stunned :o

I had no idea!! I have tried them shrooms ones 7 or 8 years ago, and they only made me fly sky high! ::)

John: hope you are doing alright...

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by rick on Nov 26^th, 2002, 2:03am

John,

Whatever you have to do, please be careful and use your best judgement. Ask any questions you might have and we'll do our best to help you. I'm hoping you've read through as much as possible already. It may be difficult to prevent a cycle with only a couple of doses, but I'll be praying for you man. I'm thinking it would be rather difficult to obtain shrooms where you live due to the security measures currently in place?

Peace,

-Rick

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by rick on Nov 26^th, 2002, 2:06am

http://www.mycotopia.net/

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by ave on Nov 26^th, 2002, 3:32am

For all those that think the Netherlands consist only of Amsterdam...

There is The Hague where I live, and where you can still buy shrooms legally, for your own consumption. Taking them abroad or conserving them is illegal.

The shop I use is Euphoria, Kettingstraat 12a, The Hague,
right in the centre, next to the Passage (19th century shopping arcade). phone 070 - 356 2551

If you like to go to lovely ancient Delft, try the Euhoria shop
on Vrouw Juttenland 32. phone 015 213 55 14

I said they know about shrooms (often) helping for clusters, but they may not have the right advice about how much to take. Better check up on the advice given by Flash or Pinkharkmark on this site, and the other sites mentioned higher up in this thread.
Good luck

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by john_o on Nov 26^th, 2002, 4:48am

Ave thanx for those addresses its really apretiated :)

Rick yeah unfortunatly the mail here is heavely monitored for security reasons and they are also dead set against drugs from Amsterdamn esspecially. I know that one would probably need more then one dose for a genuin attempt at remmission, but I dont think I have that option. I may however decide to stay in Amsterdam for another 2 or 3 weeks, if I feel that there was some sort of affect from the first dose. Il just have to see.

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Ted on Nov 26^th, 2002, 5:23am

John, I don't know why you're going to Amsterdam just to do it but maybe you're on vacation and want to treat it as such. Good luck. the odds are with you that it will help kick a cycle by the wayside.
For all you folks who sat there and instantly talked shit about mushrooms and why he's going there to try them:
Are you all here to just shoot the shit and not find anything worthwhile to help your pain? Do you know how many people get relief from shrooms? Do you bother to look into anything for YOUR own good? Is gabbing more important to you than avoiding pain? There is a fucking WEALTH of information here, right at your fingertips. And if you don't research it and look it up you'll sit there in pain and never try the newest treatment that may help you. Read, will you? Or don't. It doesn't affect me at all. But also, if you won't do the slightest of research yourself, please spare us your questions.
Thanks Ave for your replies.

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by firebrix on Nov 27^th, 2002, 1:48am

Good Luck John_o!
It sounds as though you've already decided to give this a try! Read everything first tho' - humour me! ;D You've got the best links.

Really hope it works for you. It has helped a lot of people, especially episodics, who may abort entire cycles if recommended dosing is observed. There's no need to overdose ;)

All the best, and take care.
PFDAN
firebrix

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by SommelierCH on Nov 27^th, 2002, 2:00am

Everything that comes around, goes around.

Hard to believe, after years of Dead shows, and many, many LSD and ‘shroom trips, I find out that it might be good for me now! I’m reminded of Woody Allen in “Sleeper”, when he’s cut out of his tin foil cryogenic bag, in the future. Lying on a lab table the Doctor leans over, smoking and says “Care for a cigarette? We found out that they’re the best things for you.”

Good luck and happy trails,

David J.

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by netniet on Nov 27^th, 2002, 3:59pm

Hi John

Check your e-mail, the man I told you about will send you a e-mail ;D

Net-

Title: Re: Im off to Amsterdam
Post by Tom on Nov 27^th, 2002, 4:32pm

And, David, do you remember the doc's statement."He comes from a civilization and from an age they beleaved that eating PORK was harmful...!"

Thomas