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Title: I need an honest response to this question. Post by jonny on Nov 9th, 2002, 4:31pm Would you kill yourself before you got through a 10 hour Kip 10 cluster? Thats the question. .........................jonny Let me add my 2 cents.......I would put my glock in my mouth and be done with it...........Theres no such thing as a 10 hour cluster!!!!! "Thought was that I was being punished for something, that my children needed me and God was making me incapable of doing my job as a parent" Someone kill me im laughing so hard LMMFAO |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by kim on Nov 9th, 2002, 4:46pm Dunno. Would most prolly leave a bloody trail behind........... The only time I suffered any where remotely similar to that was in the ER and they kept stickin me. Tried everything ya can imagine and I think the meds just combined to really make a bloody mess outa me. What DID happen (begin to end it lasted about 5 hours....?) was lotsa varying drug treatements both at home and at the er, which ultimately culminated in me being mighty sick. I threw up so bad (and still had the headache pain) that they gave me an enema to stop the vomiting. All in all I was in ER about 4 hours. It was really fucked up, but after that I went to a wedding and actually hung out. I can't explain it to you. when the pain finally did go, was able to carry on, but to this day I have a hard time explaining what horror happened at the ER. So, when people say to me that ONE attack went over the edge, I tend to believe them. It happened to me - albeit few times in my cluster history, but I tell ya the times it did occur I will NEVER forget. It was unbelievably fucked up....What was it? What caused it? I duuno. But I KNOWS it did happen and it was directly related to the cluster headaches. My own opinion is that is was some sort of reaction to pain meds, which i won't go near now. And since I have avoided pain meds, mysteriously, so have those weird episodes lasting forever - seemed to vanish...............But, i ain't no doc and this is only MY PERSONAL observation................ PFDAN ALL. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by marty on Nov 9th, 2002, 4:49pm Wow.. I think that I am fortunate in that my worst hit, the last 5 years, brought me to my knees (literally), tears and all kinds of known and unknown "klingon" cuss-words, etc, hitting things (not with my head) like chairs and kitchen table - lasting for approximately 45 minutes :'( Maybe that was a K-8. You said that you wanted an honest answer - as for me if it got a lot worse than what I described above, well Jonny, I'm sad, but not embarassed, to say that I doubt that I am strong enough to handle a K-8 for a continuos 10 hour bout.. Marty |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by jonny on Nov 9th, 2002, 4:53pm I hear you Marty, 27 yrs chroninc and I know I would eat a bullet after three hours never mind ten, who the fuck can handle that but a Meegrainer? ..........................jonny |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by kim on Nov 9th, 2002, 4:57pm How do you know? |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by David Shea on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:00pm Damm Jonny I had to think about this, What a ****'n question.. You need an honest answer.. Probably NO! my tolerance would substain. You did not say if you could fight with Demarol. If there was such A thing as KIP 10 FOR 10HRS. someone ask you this question?? David |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Bob P on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:01pm No. I'd never kill myself over anything. If I did, I'd go to hell and suffer the eternal Kip 10. My worst attack, ever, hung around for about 3 hours being held to a Kip4 by meds. Then it blossomed into a 2 hour Kip10. Rolling around the bathroom floor, barfing, crying, why me-ing. It let up and I crawled to the bed and flopped spread eagle on my back. 15 minutes later, back it came for another hour. At the end of that one I was totally wasted. Normally I go 1/2 hour to an hour now that I'm ancient. 10 minutes with O2 and trex. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by marty on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:03pm Let's take some of the edge off here, shall we.. 27-years "chronic" - That's is an achievement considering your personal profile ;D ;D ;D Then again.. according to mine, I'm 99 years old :-/ Just happy, I got my second gold star today. Marty |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by jonny on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:09pm I lie alot Marty....LOL Bob, spread eagle we can do without. Question still is could you handle a Kip 10 for 10 hours. Me thinks the toughest SOB on this earth could not. ............................................jonny |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by kim on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:15pm YOU simply cannot answer that kinda question until something happens to bring it home. MY guess? No, ya wouldn't eat the Glock. Yu'd do the same thing I did, go to er and thrash about and get hit with meds and say FUCK a LOT, puke yur fucking (meegrain or WHATEVER! bloody guts out in a FUCKIN FIT and then, when it went away, ya'd CARRY ON! :D Is there a ten hour kip 10? I seriously doubt it. But I don't LMAO at anything I read here, cut after all, WHO THE FUCK DO I THINK I AM????? Queenie ::) |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Not4Hire on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:16pm on 11/09/02 at 16:31:58, jonny wrote:
NO....but I may do myself in if I have to scroll back-n-forth to read the post that spawned this one.......I ain't goin' back THERE (to that post) again no matter WHAT...... c'mon .....MAGNUM......WTF is wit' dat? some kinda sick name ...... (sorry 'bout the multiple posts...i tink I deleted all the extra ones..... :-/) |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by cerebus1968 on Nov 9th, 2002, 5:39pm ok , ok , I gotta respond to this and yes I am only episodic and yes this is relatively new to me. But judging from the amount of pain I've experienced so far, I doubt that one would have the strength to pull the trigger on a glock after ten hours of k-10 type of pain. The trigger on "Winnie" my winchester 1200 is a real easy pull but if having that type of pain during a trap shoot disables me from firing at a level of I estimate k-6 or 7 I dont think I COULD off myself. Besides, I'd Probably miss anyway LOL! And for the rest of you....yes, i do have a name for my shotgun (LOL!) she has served me well over the years. Captain R.D. Brown |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Charlie on Nov 9th, 2002, 6:11pm An interesting question, and I''ll cheat by saying that probably not...But if I were certain there would be lots of others, just like it in the offing, maybe I would. Charlie |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by pjbgravely on Nov 9th, 2002, 6:28pm After 2 hours I had basically lost my mind and wasn't sure what was going on and have little memory except wanting to go to the stream and cool off. Ambulance squad said I was out of control until they put me on O2 and then couldn't believe how much I calmed down. PJB I forgot to answer the question..............NO |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Weldon on Nov 9th, 2002, 7:01pm Hey Jonny in reply to your question, I to thought there's no way anyone could get through a 3 hr. 10. But I did in 1988 several times. Nearly jumped from the car into a bridge 2 times in a week. The peak lasted 1 week and it was to the e. r. every night after I had tried everthing else. Then came Nov. 2001 and a new peak in the cycle that lasted 2 weeks . They lasted from 3 to 6 hrs. of the most trying times I've ever had. After several very bad E.R vists my moral was at bottom and my wife found me on the rear deck with a 44 mag. in my mouth. It was taking everything I had In me to keep from pulling the trigger . Then I stumbled on this site and a lot of post from from 1 very special lady (her intials are Nancyc) Well to end this I give many many thanks to this group and Nancy for giving a dam about me . Weldon |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by RevDeFord on Nov 9th, 2002, 7:09pm I have had a 3 hour kip 10 that was only aborted at the hospital. Had I been in a place where I could not get to the hospital, I would think very hard about doing it in a 10 hour kip 10. I cannot even imagine. I tell you what, listening to Charlie's backended political views drives me just about as close as a kip 10. LOL ;D |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Jim R on Nov 9th, 2002, 7:51pm Hmmmm - NO. I could not handle it, but most likely would NOT do myself. I would hope, at that point, that someone else would kill me. I've had looong 9-10's, probably because of med. rebounds, and I want to DIE- the only thing that keeps me going minute to minute is that it MIGHT end or that it will EVENTUALLY end, BUT the pain is too much - lowest one can go and be alive, I think (key...) - Jim R |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Mark C on Nov 9th, 2002, 8:08pm The thought of blowing my brains out has come at much less than a 10 hour Kip 10. I cannot imagine going through the pain I already have. Honestly, I think my chance of surviving a 10/10, with a loaded gun nearby, are pretty slim. My head hurts bad enough to end it. I have spent the best part of days at a time writhing in excrucitaing pain from back to back waves of attacks that left me in such shambles I can't believe I ain't already bit the bullet. I can't remember the pain from one attack specifically, its too great. When I was 14 yrs old I suffered a double compound fracture of my left forearm. It hurt like hell, I could see the bones in my arm, but I don't really remember the pain. Thank God for Imitrex. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Marc on Nov 9th, 2002, 8:43pm I simply can't imagine it Jonny, but I think that I would find a way to survive a few CH's like that. But, if I knew that all of the rest were going to be the same................ I think that the "dark and scary" thoughts would gradually take over. Marc |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by don on Nov 9th, 2002, 9:35pm I probably would and I'll tell you something else, there would be a whole path of bodies down the trail of anyone who even looked at me after the first two hours. Thats all I got to say. I have to lay down now, I feel a 12 hour MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEgrain comin on. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by kim on Nov 9th, 2002, 9:40pm Ya did not know that wen i came hea i'd be such a needle in yur eye (or some equally uncomfortable spacde ;D) don - you are noot Oops - scuse me done assume - ok. assumea lil. :D Sumbdy _ SHOOT HER NOW :D |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Lori on Nov 9th, 2002, 11:24pm I don't think so. I don't believe suicide is the answer to anything and I don't believe I could ever do it. Having said this, I have wished I was dead during cycles in the past. I couldn't even imagine a 10 hr kip 10 but I guess I would just have to go to the er and force them to knock me out for a loooong time so I wouldn't have to deal with the pain. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by fubar on Nov 9th, 2002, 11:49pm I don't think it's possible to have a 10 hour Kip10. For one thing, you'd pass out from exhaustion. I can't do anything at Kip10, let alone find my H&K, unlock it, load it and fire it... so I doubt I'd be a suicide possibility. At its worst, CH turns me into an incoherent blathering mess. The last thing I can do is think about something as complicated as blowing my brains out. -Fu |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by GlendaB on Nov 9th, 2002, 11:55pm I don't know what I would do. ??? One thing I am sure of, I would definitely have some bloody knuckles and probably a bloody forehead from head butting the wall. I have had several clusters to last a couple of hours and back off and I would think it was going away and then get hit again. This would repeat itself several times within a 10-12 hour time period somewhat close together, but I have never had a solid kip 10 for 10 hours straight. If it did happen, I would probably make it through somehow. We all seem to acquire the strength needed to get through from somewhere, even though we feel like we couldn't take another second without dying from the pain. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by DaveHar on Nov 9th, 2002, 11:56pm OK...Honest reponse you want ...YOU got it First...as far as the migraines go....spent 1 week at max and wanted to end it all...and yes I have medical documentation to back it up... Then came the wonderful world of the beast.....Would I off my self on a 10 hour Kip 10...YES...not only YES but HELLLLL YES!!!!!!!! The only thing that would keep me from not offing myself would be Leesa.....If she was not around to hide everything that I could use I would be gone....I have gone through a full blown Migraine straight into a Cluster at a KIP 10 that hit on both sides and I kept smashing my head into the floor, the side of the toilet, and the tub trying to bust my head open so I would die. Yes I would have done it but that woman did everything she could to keep me from hurting myself. Even now when a migraine hits I want to just end it because I know that a cluster is shure to follow and I will have to deal with both at the same time. OK...I have rammbled on long enough but it has to end some how. THe human body can only deal with so much and 10 hours at a KIP 10 is just pushing it a little to far. Give me the gun, knife, or just a concrete wall and let me go! Dave |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by jonny on Nov 10th, 2002, 1:19am 20 hours straight? heres your link. http://ask.directhit.com/fcgi-bin/RedirURL.fcg?url=http://www.migraines.org/&qry=migraine+headaches&rnk=1&cz=c69d5780f66c8c25&src=DH_Ask_SRCH ..........................jonny Christ!!, someones always bitching....Hey Jarvis BITE ME!!!! |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Marc on Nov 10th, 2002, 2:04am Hmmmm..... |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by jonny on Nov 10th, 2002, 2:07am LMMFYBO.....Marc!!! Hmmmmmmm! ......................jonny ;D :o |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by catlind on Nov 10th, 2002, 9:12am Honest answer on a 10 hour kip 10? I'd find a moving vehicle to put my head under. The longest headache I've had was 20 hours, it was a combination of CH's Migraines and rebounds. I get CH's for 3 hours and will get a 5 min. break and start another attack. They tend to start at 6, and if I'm lucky they don't go to 10. When they do, that's when my hubby will physically restrain me from leaving the house because he knows the I can't handle the pain for that length of time. When I get hit with an instant kip 10 the 15 min on the O2 feels like 15 years. The piggy back CH's are what are the hardest to deal with and those are usually at the height of my cycle and I am in the ER to a point of they know me by first name and as soon as I walk in they just take me straight back and give me my O2 and leave me alone until the doc comes in and says what works? They don't even bother with all the BS of 50 million questions anymore. A true 10 hour kip 10? I am not sure I can believe that exists, but if it does, I know I wouldn't exist at the end of it. Okay that's my honest answer. Yes Slammy and Jonny, I am meegrainer too ;) Of course, if my heart isn't getting enough O2 to my head, I may not be suffering true CH...just oxygen deprivation (but Slammy already knows that ;) ) LOL Cat |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by 2late on Nov 10th, 2002, 9:41am I think of my kidz, the answer is no.....if i don't have kidz......i dunno, hope not but if i do my way of choice would be 120 miles an hour on my hog into a wall, but that's just me ;D .........2late |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Elaine on Nov 10th, 2002, 10:26am I don't know Jonny. I know Ithe longest I had was three hours without any meds. They were 10's and I have had as many as 6 a day but I would get a break. But even with the break it would seem like I was in pain most all day or night. Mine come most at night. I remember begging someone else to kill me. I remember begging at the hospital for something anything to kill the pain. I think when we are most aceptable of doing ourselfs harm is when we are on PAIN MEDS such as demeral and drugs of that nature, and we are tired from the drugs as well as having to fight a clusters. Being tired and trying to fight is the hardest thing. I use to beg for sleep more than anything. I gues if I had a 10 for 10 hours I would beg for the vet to come and put me to sleep ;-)! If that did not work I would begg God to take me. I hate Pain and am in love with Imitrex ! BTW I been cluster free sence the Convention :-)!!! |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by nancyc on Nov 10th, 2002, 10:46am PF? that is awesome Elaine...btw, how is the new house? Been thinking about you! IF I ever had a 10 hour kip 10, I know I would be begging for someone to put me out of my misery...but I could not do it myself. LOL...Then again, if I had a 10 hour kip 10, I think I would find a new neurologist or reevaluate the way I use the kip scale. I have head some folks say they had a combo of chs and rebounds for long periods but dont really think anyone could have a 10 hour kip 10 chs...just my opinion. ;Dnancyc |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by jonny on Nov 10th, 2002, 10:48am You are cluster free because I told the beast if he went near you I would put a BBB in his ass, noone fucks with my board walk date. ;D .................jonny |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Jackie on Nov 10th, 2002, 11:11am 2late, You've got a hog that can run 120 mph... ??? That's one fast hog... :D What you feeding that pig.....soybeans ::) ;D ;) Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by 2late on Nov 10th, 2002, 12:51pm it's not fast off the line Jacks, like your riceburners, but it will go that fast :o ;D ............2late |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by sonyjack on Nov 10th, 2002, 2:00pm Jonny, Thank for the oxygen info. I'm lucy, I live a 2 minute walk from San Francisaoc's Trauma center. They do understand clusters, and try their best. I had 6 hours there last Wednesday, but It was moving down & up from 3 to 9. 10 hours of Kip10? No, I coul'dt take it. I won't keep guns in my house anyway, and if I had that pain for that long, without Meds or E.R.'s available, I would stop it permanently. I've thought about it enough when I had 6 or 8 a day fro an hour each. I'm envious of those with the strenght to overcome that pain, but I don't have that much left. Maybe when I was young and strong, but not now. Not anymore. I hope no one ever has to go through that. Sonny |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by suzy617 on Nov 10th, 2002, 4:06pm I wouldnt blow my brains out although I have thought about it many times during the attack but I think I would definitely overdose myself on some heavy duty pain killers. 10 hours, no way, I wouldnt stick around that long. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Drk^Angel on Nov 10th, 2002, 9:44pm Jonny... Perhaps ya should reread the post that you're commenting on. It appears the person did try to off themselves, but failed. The person also blacked out during the event, so it could be possible that it wasn't one continuous attack. To answer the question... No... I wouldn't kill myself, but I'd be one pissed off son of a bitch when it was all over, even if I was too damn exhausted to move. PFDAN................................ Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by BobG on Nov 11th, 2002, 3:15am An honest response? Nope. I have 5 wonderful reasons to stick around. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by NotH20 on Nov 11th, 2002, 7:56am Honestly Jonny - I have thought about it before during Kip 10's - but would NEVER do it....too much to live for and too many people counting on me. The fact that it WILL end is what gets me through every one of my attacks. I do not believe that you would pass out DURING an attack for that long due to exhaustion as Fu indicated - I do however believe you would be totally out of it after it was over - sorta crash and burn. I just hope and pray that my Trex continues to work when I need it.... Mia |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by echo on Nov 11th, 2002, 8:09am My .02 A ten hour Kip ten. No friggen way I could hang in there that long without having had my ass taken to the ER. Long time ago I once had a 9mm ready to take me away. Bad cycle - no meds - no money. Then the CH ended. Put my 9mm in a safety deposit box the next day. If I was to run a 10 x10 now, One of three things would happen, knock my self out by banging my head on the concrete, bleed to death by the gash in my head caused by the concrete, get to an ER. |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by 9erfan on Nov 11th, 2002, 4:18pm a 10 hour KIP 10?? I can't even imagine! I've had shadows interspersed with KIP 10's for that long and that was tough enough. That's the reason I don't own a gun! If I didn't kill myself, I would be begging someone else to kill me. I've been on the floor begging God to let me die during a KIP 10 but he didn't take me up on my request! |
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Title: Re: I need an honest response to this question. Post by Jabeen on Nov 14th, 2002, 4:01pm Thankfully I have never come close to 10/10 and pray I never do! But I know I could never kill myself-life has been too good to me otherwise. These CH's are some kind of test I think- |
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