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Title: What "America" means Post by Donna on Oct 28th, 2002, 11:58am I think everyone on this planet needs to read this. This was sent by a 78 year old. The thoughts are pure and we all understand the point... GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! There are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some native Americans, need to understand. First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try not to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multi cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the "American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam... We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society - learn our language!" In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan - it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of Representatives, in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation and this is clearly documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death, and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times of crisis. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and we are proud to have Him. We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we proudly wave our flag. As an American, I have the right to wave my flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. Like it or not, this is our country, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom: THE RIGHT TO LEAVE! Another thing: To those who do complain about the usage of words like 'God' and 'American' and speaking the language of our great nation, TRY GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SPEAK AGAINST WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. YOU WILL MORE THAN LIKELY END UP JAILED OR EVEN KILLED. In America, you take your right to complain for granted. The more patriotism that is removed from where our children are taught, the less our children will learn about what it is to be an American and our nation's spirit will slowly be taken away. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by marty on Oct 28th, 2002, 12:09pm That post made me feel really good, as a matter of fact - it made my day ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Marty |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by David Shea on Oct 28th, 2002, 12:17pm Amen, justice for all.. David |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 28th, 2002, 1:17pm on 10/28/02 at 11:58:30, Donna wrote:
Much of this was xenophobic claptrap (I especially liked the way it addresses American Indians and later says if you don't like it go back to where you came from.) but I'll just get into the part quoted above. Then, not believing Jesus had any divinity to him, I guess I'll move to another country since this is the God alluded to most here. Should I unbury the people quoted below, you know... our founding fathers, and take them with me? ARTICLE 11 "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religous opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "[John Adams, 1797-05-27, Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the US and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary. Treaties and Other International Acts of America, ed. Hunter Miller] The government of the United States is in not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion -- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."[Benjamin Franklin, in 'Toward The Mystery'] I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."[Thomas Jefferson] The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the sun -- Thomas Paine I disbelieve in all holy men and holy books -- Thomas Paine 9) The Christian god is cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust -- Thomas Jefferson 13) All national institutions of churches-whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish-appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit -- Thomas Paine The Christian theory is little less than the idolatry of the ancient mythologies, accommodated to the purposes of power and revenue; and it yet remains to reason and philosophy to abolish the amphibious fraud -- Thomas Paine The "divinity" of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity -- John Adams I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstitions of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded in fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites, to support roguery and error all over the earth -- Thomas Jefferson Democracy does not need the church, or the clergy -- James Madison Religion is a matter which belongs to the church, and not to the state -- George Washington And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classified with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter -- Thomas Jefferson It does me no injlury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg -- Thomas Jefferson Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish witht eh same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects? -- James Madison History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes -- Thomas Jefferson The question is whether the God of nature will govern the world by his own laws or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles -- John Adams |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Donna on Oct 28th, 2002, 1:28pm You know, I express my beliefs freely and do not mean to offend anyone. Ted is a friend of mine and if he wants to make a post contrary to mine, that's ok with me. Just as you may. We don't need to argue about this. We don't need to take offense. We are entitled to our own opinions. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 28th, 2002, 1:41pm Stomping out the sparks before they get blown into the forests fallen, dried leaves Donna? ;-) |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Donna on Oct 28th, 2002, 1:50pm You got it sweetie. Always did believe in prophylactics. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 28th, 2002, 7:24pm This is a great place because we were founded by people who were products of The Age of Reason. They also did not seek to blame others for things that made them uncomfortable. Most of those who write these tirades do. Although Jefferson, in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity. Contrary to TV preachers, our founding fathers were not at all bible thumpers. Ted beat me to it but here are a few more quotes: Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do---Ben Franklin This one is appropriate for today's current events: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."--Ben Franklin Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law---Jefferson The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion--As Ted said: The Treaty of Tripoli. Also by George Washington Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear--Jefferson In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty--Jefferson Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law--Thomas Paine In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people--James Madison "There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore." --Pat Robertson The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries--James Madison One of these last two men is essentially responsible for the Bill Of Rights, which guarantees freedom of religion Charlie |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 28th, 2002, 7:39pm "In God We Trust" is a recent invention and did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War. It disappeared after a time and didn't reappear until the 1909 Lincoln penny--and then wasn't used on all coins until much later. You didn't expect me to let that one go, did you? Charlie |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Not4Hire on Oct 28th, 2002, 7:58pm "TANSTAAFL"........ Robert Heinlein --July 7th, 1907--May 8th, 1988 R.I.P. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by BobG on Oct 28th, 2002, 8:04pm Me thinks there are certain things that should not be discussed in polite company. 1. binder, aka cheese 2. Monica Lewinsky 3. religion Paine, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Washington, Franklin....... I'm not going to doubt their place in history but, the quotes above are only their personal opinions. Not facts. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by catlind on Oct 28th, 2002, 8:20pm As I am a Canadian Citizen awaiting my US citizenship, I can only say this (and I can't even quote it exactly....haven't been studying for my test hehe) In the bill of rights citizens are granted freedom of religion. This also means freedom FROM religion if a person so chooses. It is that FREEDOM that America means to me. The right to choose and the rights granted me by the bill of rights, the constitution and declaration of independance. FREEDOM is what America is about to me, and it's that freedom that my husband, and many other CH'ers children, spouses, parents and CHers themselves have fought for. Cat |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by pjbgravely on Oct 28th, 2002, 8:30pm Isn't it a great country where Donna, Ted, Charlie, and Catlind (I'm not sure what Notforhire ment) All are correct becouse that is their point of view and no one can legally take it from them. If all the non christians were to leave this country it would be pretty empty. Thats why other countries are sending missionaries here. PJB |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 28th, 2002, 8:33pm You may be right Bob. It's just that I'm weary of the Pat Robertsons of the avaricious TV preacher community, and other self-righteous folk, using our founders as exemplars of single-minded intolerance. They were anything but. What Ted and I have quoted is important stuff, and in my mind a way to defend what they created for us. By the way, I agree that one should learn English as well. I also don't mind religious displays in the town square. Suing people at Christmas is stupid. You want that commandment thing on the walls? That's not something that overly upsets me either. I'm not crazy about it, but they've made it moot because of the very lunatics who use it for political reasons. Don't get me started! :o Oh, too late...... ::) Charlie |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by BobG on Oct 28th, 2002, 9:37pm When Donna started this string I said to myself "Heeree's Charlie and Ted! It's show time!" ;D You both put up a good argument for the atheists and agnostics viewpoint. And your research to find what some dead guys said is admirable. Good show. I also have a big problem with the Pat Robertsons of the avaricious TV preacher community. They do not represent Christians. They support the church of "Show me the Money". Catlind.......welcome to America and hope you soon get your citizenship completed. I find it amazing that the people that want to come here study and learn our history and those that hate this country the most are the ones that know very little history but will not leave. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 28th, 2002, 10:23pm :D You see Bob, it’s our job to keep this fascist bunch on their toes. I figger you can watch just so much Oliver North on the Faux Network Be glad Ted is here. I’d be even worse and he writes better. :o Back to my Saddam Hussein fund raiser. ::) Charlie 8) |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 28th, 2002, 10:48pm I certainly hope I didn't offend anybody by showing that this country is NOT based upon a bunch of Christian founding fathers, but critical thinkers. But I know I did and keep going back to "so what"? I'm afraid our forefathers were not a bunch of Christian folk who based this country upon it. I am sick, to death, of every Jesus-freak comment being said here and it being accepted. On the old board I was called a devil who is going to be sent to hell for not believing in Christianity. I let that go then. As for now? No. I am tired of this Jesus shit and am tired of all the believers either justifying why I won't get sent to hell because I'm a nice guy or for what ever reason. This Jesus shit is crap. You all want to sit there and praise it online all the time? That's cool. But Jesus was just another human being. Nothing more and nothing less. He was born of a woman who didn't want to get stoned to death for being adultrous. Not a virgin. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by BobG on Oct 28th, 2002, 10:48pm Charlie, there is one preacher that I can put up with. Can't remember his first name but the last is Copeland. He preaches and says send money but he does have a sense of humor about God and the Good Book. Screw Ollie. Ted, you certainly didn't offend me. I'm a Christain and you're not. That's ok with me. You fight the good fight for your side, that's cool. It's better than feeling offended and saying nothing. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 28th, 2002, 11:00pm That's the thing Bob. there is no side. There's just belief. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Jarvis on Oct 28th, 2002, 11:32pm If my memory serves me right folks a good number of the peoples that were on the founding side of this country were here to escape religion and religous persecutions. Our country was founded so that all could be free and say, believe and feel as we wish. And to all of you I say, you and your opinions are who we are. CAN I GET AN AMEN! |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by forgetfulnot on Oct 28th, 2002, 11:37pm You folk's are very knowlegable about this subject, but WTF has any of this got to do with? Running for the shower, Lee |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by BobG on Oct 28th, 2002, 11:48pm It has to do with What "America" means as in the heading at the top of the string. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by norma on Oct 29th, 2002, 12:05am ok guys i guess i will be among the bad ones too! I was raised a Lutheran went to church every sunday with the folks, hubby baptist did the same thing has family members that are preachers and etc, however i am a firm believer that life is what you make it, and there a many contradictions in the bible, and were any of you around when all the world was created?NO, so each and every one of us has the right to either believe or no believe and to have opinions, yea i wonder what happens after you die, but who the hell says there is a heaven or hell can anyone show prove that is living now? we are all either sufferers or supporters of these damn these damn clusters and in my opinion whether you believe or not, then maybe if you do believe you wouldnt suffer from them, hell i dont know, i was under the impression this board is for all people to express opinions, not be catrasized sorry i know i spelt that wrong, and to help each other. i personally happen to be grateful to ted, and all of you, but let each of us have opinions and not be so damn mean or holier than thou!! after all life is what you make of it and whether you believe or disbelieve i dont think it makes you a better person, a richer person or a person with better luck, we are all the same, so have a happy week no matter what you believe in and just take each day as it comes, i have had more than my fair share of shit in my life, but i dont think it has to do with any of the god stuff people will be people from now until we are all long gone, and my kids have the right to their opinions as well i dont hold that against anyone, but dont chastise anyone either i am thankful i am in america, and thankful for our freedom and rights, but i talk to foreigner all day, and unfortunaly they think they are god, so let them, unless they decide to do great damager like 9/11 get over it everyone has the beliefs and opinions and that is what makes the world go round and round, love to all believer and nonbelievers norma p.s, ted and charlie have my kudos |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 29th, 2002, 12:17am I've seen Copeland. None of them are my cup of mead. Give me a black Baptist any day. They know WTF they're doing. From the Vulgate to the King James, the “good book” has been reworked over centuries to please politicians who like to keep the peasants out of their hair and been used to justify the deaths of millions. Being a Christian is fine. The thing is, I don’t insist on your joining the fold. Somewhere along the line, someone inserted this cool idea that has resulted in a 2,000 year bloodbath. As was once said: I desire to go to Hell, not to Heaven. In Hell I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings and princes, but in Heaven are only beggars, monks, hermits and apostles. Free Inquiring Old Charlie |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by BobG on Oct 29th, 2002, 12:33am Hey norma.......... I see you're a new kid on the block. Welcome. Glad you jumped right in a had your say. We need people like you that will speak up. Being a non-believer doesn't make you one of the bad ones. Ted and Charlie aren't the bad ones either. They speak up and tell it like they see it. Hey Charlie........ I agree with the black Baptist thing. The music in the church I attend is so boring that I fall asleep. I suggested they get some tambourines and throw out a Hallelujah now and then. They said I was a heathen. And you're right, more people have died in the name of God than any other reason in the history of the world. About going to Hell.......there will also be politicians, lawyers and Pat Robertson. No thanks. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 29th, 2002, 12:49am Just to let Norma know how much I really love America: I'm a devil inspired, malevolent specter, with my own message of humorless servitude. We in the One World Government Truth Squad, brainwash children to become lackeys, who will further dismantle our moral fabric and rewrite religious texts to conform to our presumptuous assumption that we're the only truth. Esperanto will be the only recognized language and everyone will attend a church of our choice. Once we redistribute the wealth, make the SEC and The Council On Foreign Relations the fourth and fifth branches of our puppet government, we'll tackle forcing the other major league teams to let the Chicago Cubs win a pennant. Clearly we are living in the end times. :D :o |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by BobG on Oct 29th, 2002, 1:07am LMAO. Good one Charlie. And speaking of end times.............my work day is coming to an end. In about 50 minutes I'm going to The Cheescake Factory at Ceasar's Palace. Good night. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 29th, 2002, 1:15am Norma's not as new as she seems. She came here hurting and crying a few months back but survived her cycle and hasn't forgotten a minute of the pain. I see her showing up here often, even though her time in pain has ended. She just doesn't talk here when she feels she has something to say.So I'm impressed she spoke up here and said volumes when she did. I'm just surprised she didn't recognize Charlie and I to be the devils we are. Hey Bob, I feel proud I put up a good argument for the atheists and agnostics because in this latest rendition of this country they are seen as shit. And seeing as they are who I'm born from and completely respect their viewpoints and find they tend to be much more rational then those who decide to kill in the name of God, I find those of us who "believe" need to hear their moral viewpoints. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Riccardo on Oct 29th, 2002, 1:21am Can I ??? Can an Italian speaking person tell his point of view? ;D ;D OK: I generally tend to aqree with Ted. He seems more "with foot on the ground". That article sounds a little "populist" to me. Hey wait, may be I feel me more American than some Americans!!! I love the "big stones" of Americans society, and I can say that in other countries is really worse. Now, that I have cleared my point ("I really love America") let me talk about the things I disagree. I cite from the article: "We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society - learn our language!" In my experiences in United States (not with you, friends!) I discovered that the average American CANNOT understand CLEARLY that another man speaks another language. The switch is set to "he's handicapped" not "he's a foreigner" I think this is a fee you have to pay for the big extension of territory. But this also means (for the "poor" people: He is a complete stranger! This bareer can only be destroyed with friendship (what that's happened between I and you!), but in absence of a line of friendship, you tend to exclude all the "non-English speaking people" This can close you in a box that can be easily labeled with apartheid. Some of you could object telling me that America was ALWAYS open to non-English people that want to work there. Yes, but the simple fact that there are "Italian cities", "Chinatowns", "Philipina/Japanese blocks", and so on.... means that you have had integrated the "manpower", not the people. In Europe these ghettos are not so well defined, because we are used to manage, talk and live with different languages. We are not better than you, we just have had more experience in dealing with these bareers. So, please no one have to feel "offended" by this, I am just talking about differences of experiences, of life! These are my thoughts Ciao friends |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 29th, 2002, 1:26am Alright. I just read this all again and I have a serious question for Charlie. Have a younger sister or daughter? |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 29th, 2002, 1:39am And this brings into question another aspect of what was said here (and Riccardo, your daughter's too young but maybe you have a younger sister?). The anti-foreigner crap got a number of people here to find me and give me their thanks, even though I just took on the religious end in argument here. So (and I apologize Donna but I have to now take on this end) let me speak to that. Riccardo, you're right about what you said. But, this kind of... writing.... wasn't meant to take into account Little Italy or even Chinatown. In Chinatown it's fun to celebrate Chinas New Year and in Little Italy, well, it's European enough for no one to care that no one speaks English there. This was catered more to them thar spicks who don't speak English. Not anyone of european descent that don't. We find that relatively cute when one of the non-wetback types can't speak English and an affront when a greaseball can't. Silly how the terms and rules change around here, isn't it? |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Riccardo on Oct 29th, 2002, 1:51am Got it.... I was just talking about of the American "genetic" way to act with "strangers". And hmmmm..... Ted I haven't sisters....... have you one for me? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Ted on Oct 29th, 2002, 2:14am And I'm hoping to make sure the world doesn't see it as an American "genetic" way to anything. No sisters Riccardo. But I have some friends for rent (OK. Americans aren't all bigots but we ARE all pimps) |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 29th, 2002, 5:35am Fortunately, I have no siblings or children. They probably would have placed me in an asylum or I would have killed them. I'm not too bad on paper but I'm a PITA to live with. Well, selling them would be appealing as well...... Like Ted, I have to say to Donna that I didn’t mean to twist her post into religion but it gave me a chance to get across that our founders are miss-quoted all the time by Jesus jolly intolerant idiots. We need to correct this. Not bad Riccardo. We'll put up with you. :D By the way, lots of Americans are envious of Europeans for their perceived ease in accepting others and their versatility with language. How anyone learns the stupid English language is a mystery to me. Every now and then though, we add another foreign language to the “acceptable” list. It’s been going on for hundreds of years. What we have in the writings of Jefferson and others, amounts to an American secular religion. Jefferson & company had an ability to take from many others, and re-arrange their ideas into something that comes off as aspiration, not dogma. He set it down in such a way that it seems okay to overlook the contradictions. Even though we know it will never be attained, it just sounds so damn good. That these guys were able to do this is what’s unique and wonderful. (Yes, I know how this reads. Nevertheless, this is my religion) To me, it’s important that people are exposed to this kind of critical thinking. These were complicated men. They did not stand around screaming at those who expressed differing opinions and yearning for a simpler time. What’s nice here is that the members of our board seem to be critical thinkers and very tolerant of jerks like me. ::) Charlie 8) |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by catlind on Oct 29th, 2002, 6:16am Okay my turn again hehe 1. I'm already married have no sisters and my daughter is 8 :P 2. Kudos Norma, to me, America is just that, the allowance of both believers and non believers...I only get ugly when someone else tries to shove their religion down my throat i.e. Jehovah witness - I have personal family experience with that so I apologize if I offended any here who are Jehovah) 3. Thanks for the good luck and praise for study Bob :) 4. This country was founded on people coming from all other european countries and the native language here none of them understood....so yes English is our accepted language, but lets be tolerant to a degree of those who have yet to master our language. Also, many of our youth or so called next generation are to a large degree illiterate and our own children can barely speak "proper" english (which is a debate in itself as I'm canadian and we zed and not zee ;) ) so before we criticize others, lets make sure our own American born can speak the language well. 5. Heaven won't have me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over ;) Cat |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Donna on Oct 29th, 2002, 6:41am In reference to the section on foriegn speaking people, I am sure the writer was making a point of the fact that a certain populace is trying (with some success) to make English the second language here in America, and not the first. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Donna on Oct 29th, 2002, 6:44am America is, after all, made up of people from all parts of the world. We are all foriegners. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by catlind on Oct 29th, 2002, 6:58am Donna, I resemble that remark!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D *giggle* |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Donna on Oct 29th, 2002, 7:04am And it looks mighty fine, yes mighty fine on you. :D |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by catlind on Oct 29th, 2002, 7:30am Yup I think so too :D http://home.twcny.rr.com/clind/usflag3.gif http://home.twcny.rr.com/clind/cdnflag.gif Actually, we're trying to take over the country by marrying all the US service members LOL Cat |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by norma on Oct 29th, 2002, 9:25am i am once again in a cycle, so what the hell else is there to do, you are right Donna some people would like to make English as a second language instead of primary. as i recall all our forefathers that came over by boat eventually had to learn the English language, and yes even those born in America from day one have trouble with the English language, it is there fault, i think. anyways, when in Rome does as the Romans, when in America speak the freaking language, I know foreigners or transplants would love for it to be easier on them, but that would mean changing everything around and it would depend on what population of foreigners from what country was in the US at the time. i talk to several people during the course of the day as a telephone directory operator, and let me tell you i swear that is where the damn clusters come from, no people telephone operators are psych, webster dictionary, and or can speak whatever language or slang your talking all the time, nor is it my responsibility to know how to spell, so i hope i didnt upset anyone. just right now is not a good time for me, and if i only knew what caused evryone's pain with these i would make everyone well! and for all you men, to deal with this my hats off to you! i think i would pick childbirth over this anyday, and i had 2 children. America gives us freedom to do what we want, believe what we want, speak to who we want etc... but my one thing i have always believed in is do onto others as you would have them do onto you, and i guess because i am a "yankee" dont fuck with my kids or family! no only kidding!, anyways once again may each and everyone find their own happiness, religion and niche in life and for some genius to take these freaking ha's away, doesnt mean we will all go away, i see and feel many friendship on the board, so many neat people each and everyone of you, not matter your believes or not. i am waiting for my O2 tank today, god damn thing better help is all i got to say, my 3 year old needs me and i need him love to all and Happy Halloween |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by oringkid on Oct 30th, 2002, 3:39pm First of all, if Ted and Charlie are "devils" then I should be counted among their ranks. This post brings up many things that I take exception to (in principle, Donna, not offended by your having posted it) First and foremost, as Ted alluded, most of us are descended, not from native Americans, but from Europeans, Chinese and Africans. This continent was literally taken over. The people who rightfully belonged to this country were killed, cheated, and driven into reservations, so that we could take it over and make it our own. Our forefathers came here to avoid religious persecution and political intolerance (which at the time was driven in part by religious beliefs) This was to be the land that anyone could come to and feel free to live the way they wanted to. They came from all countries. They brought their own cultures, foods, languages. The only reason English is our language is that the most people who came here were English or Irish (the English had forced the Irish to give up their language by then) America was meant to be a haven, and became a smelting pot, which was good. This diversity is what makes us unique. Now as far as the religion thing goes, I must agree with Ted. It is fine and one of the great points of this country that here you can believe and practice your religion. But, I think it goes against all that our forefathers tried to set up to try to make everyone believe what "you" believe. Leave me alone to believe what I want to believe. Religion is something that some people need to help them justify their existence. If it helps them, that is good! Others of us, as Charlie said are critical thinkers. I myself am too analytical and critical to believe in something which is not provable (sp?) (Why is it we have found dinosaur bones but no religious artifacts?) Thank you Ted and Charlie, for expressing some of my views more eloquently than I probably could have. Donna, no offense intended. I think this thread has been very well mannered. These are My Opinions. Thank you for allowing me to voice them. Sherry |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by jonny on Oct 30th, 2002, 4:00pm jonny<<<<<<<<<<Native American!!!!! ........................jonny |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 30th, 2002, 4:37pm I agree with what the atheist, agnostic, pagan devils said. (Ya ever notice how often christians label non-christans as atheists, agnostics, or pagan?) PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel PS... Oh... BTW... We don't celebrate God's birth, death, or resurrection as the article says. If I remember correctly... Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter are holidays celebrating Jesus Christ. |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by oringkid on Oct 30th, 2002, 5:47pm Easter and Xmas were originally pagan holidays that the Christians took over/modified to fit their own beliefs. Just a little trivia. Sherry |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 30th, 2002, 6:00pm Sorta like the pagan new year... The christians made it All Saint's Day, and claim Halloween is a celebration to cleanse the air of the bad spirits the night before it. LOL PFDAN.............................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: What "America" means Post by Charlie on Oct 30th, 2002, 6:23pm I'm pretty sure we got our Christmas tree thing from Pagans as well. I really like Halloween. It's when I stock up on lingerie. Charlie |
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