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(Message started by: eye_pain on Sep 11^th, 2002, 2:36pm)

Title: smoking
Post by eye_pain on Sep 11^th, 2002, 2:36pm

smokingi am not a smoker but i do dip i was wondering if the smoking or the nicotean that could cause clusters??
if u have any info could u e mail me at Hal1888@aol.com

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 11^th, 2002, 3:23pm

Last time I checked, smoking doesn't cause clusters.

PFDAN........................... Drk^Angel

Title: Re: smoking
Post by domm on Sep 11^th, 2002, 3:33pm

I agree Drk, after smoking for 35 years, I quit in January and my cycle started again in July. Maybe quiting triggers them.....

domm

Title: Re: smoking
Post by echo on Sep 11^th, 2002, 3:42pm

Smoked for years, cannot relate any correlation to nicotine and CH.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Charlie on Sep 11^th, 2002, 4:17pm

I can't pinpoint anything that says smoking has much effect on CH other than the percentage of Ch smokers, is nearly twice the national average.

This is what I'll never never get:

After successfully quitting tobacco, which makes life so much simpler; starting again after months or years. Why would anyone subject themselves all over again to a dangerous, unpleasant and costly thing that is so ill-thought of and hard on the pocket book? Soon there will be almost nowhere it's tolerated. It's getting very very hard to do folks.

Really mean old Charlie

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Marcos618 on Sep 11^th, 2002, 4:27pm

Smoking may not cause CH's but when I am in a session and smoke a Menthol Cigarette it is a trigger to get a CH. If I smoke Non-menthol I have no problem of triggering a CH. I found htis out years ago while trying to quit smoking while in a session of Ch's. The headaches got better when I quit (I was smoking menthol up to that point). Everytime I asked someone for a cigarette and it was a menthol I had a CH afterwards, but not when I smoked a non-menthol.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by 2late on Sep 11^th, 2002, 5:29pm

quittin' better not trigger them, i'll smoke again if that's the case. .................2late

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Ree on Sep 11^th, 2002, 7:17pm

Im with you Charlie... my friends mom had a 1/2 of her lung removed on Friday... if any of you smokers saw her you would quit... my husband Dave has the worse cough right now... think he'll quit ????? I give up ~~~ ree~~~

Marcos I love the term that you use for our American word "cycle" . "Session" sounds so civil... good to see you post

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 11^th, 2002, 7:20pm

Drk^Angel lights a cigarette... Takes a long drag... Blows the smoke at the monitor... and smiles...

PFDAN..................... Drk^Angel

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Charlie on Sep 11^th, 2002, 7:52pm

You're not alone....lonlier though every day.

Do yourself a favor. It's getting harder all the time.

Relentless old Charlie 8)

Title: Re: smoking
Post by pjbgravely on Sep 11^th, 2002, 10:09pm

I have aborted shadows by smoking tree in a row.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 12^th, 2002, 2:20am

You smoke trees? Damn... And I thought non-filters were harsh... LOL

PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel

Title: Re: smoking
Post by echo on Sep 12^th, 2002, 1:01pm

Damn, don't trees give you another headache?

Title: Re: smoking
Post by jonny on Sep 12^th, 2002, 1:04pm

Ive smoked me a few bush in my time, I like my bush without the leaves......LOL ;D

............jonny

Title: Re: smoking
Post by echo on Sep 12^th, 2002, 1:22pm

Worked it alittle hard did you? ::)

Title: Re: smoking
Post by 2late on Sep 12^th, 2002, 7:05pm

LMMFAO!!!!..........jonny ;D ...............2late

Title: Re: smoking
Post by pjeje on Sep 12^th, 2002, 8:12pm

Hi all,

Im new, and please forgive me if I do this wrong. In the last few days of intence research on Clusters, I read on one spot about smoking. It said that it could trigger a cycle as with alcohol. But only during a cycle. During remission it doesnt effect clusters. I agree...smoking isnt something that is as tolerant anymore, but if I didnt have those cigarettes during the last few days when I had my first cycle, I would have gone nuts. It did concern me greatly however reading about the information on cigarettes. I will do further research on it, and of course was reading all your comments about it too...Be well...

Title: Re: smoking
Post by LTBulllitt on Sep 15^th, 2002, 5:05am

For myself I think smoking does trigger them. And my reason is that its the dehydration it causes that gives me an attack.
I really only noticed this with "Cubans", the cigars not the people. Everytime I smoke one I get a cluster so I quit those, but it makes me wonder about cigs as well.
Problem is after an accute attack that leaves me shaking and with such anxiety attacks I find I smoke alot at these times.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Charlie on Sep 15^th, 2002, 6:07am

Shit: You have Cubans? Damn near makes old cigar smokers want to light up. Not really but you can sell them here to buy Imitrex, real estate, or single malt. I'm sure the US smokers would take them off your hands. Anyway, good cigars don't smell like shit compared to cigarettes.

There probably is a relationship between smoking and CH. After all, the percentage of CH smokers is almost twice the national average, a little less than 50%. The last time I looked the national average is a touch less than 25%. This figure has been dropping for many years. The problem with this relationship is that although it's significant, damned if we can find anything statistically meaningful other than the percentage. We really can't prove a thing. I quit 22 years ago but my CH hung around for 11 more. I was always a heavy smoker.

If we find tobacco affects CH, I doubt it will matter what form. Maybe, but I doubt it. Of course the smokers here love it that I can't make a case for smoking as a cause. Believe me, even they’d like to find something as simple for the trigger. Maybe for some it’s like alcohol or MSG. There is evidence for both. Neither were triggers for me although I rarely had occasion to test alcohol.

In any case, If you smoke....shame on you. There just isn’t anything good about it.

Pontificating old Charlie

Title: Re: smoking
Post by BobG on Sep 15^th, 2002, 11:55am

IMHO smoking does not cause or trigger cluster headaches.

Smoking does cause yellow teeth, lung cancer and bad breath.

It is expensive and it stinks.

One day I may quit smoking.

One day I may also not have cluster headaches.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by johninaz on Sep 15^th, 2002, 10:27pm

Every time I quit smoking and then started back up again I had the worst clusters of my life--I was still chronic back then, but after starting back up, I would have all night clusters, not the normal pattern, but up to a 9 or 10, then down to a 5, but never gone like normal ones; and I could never even get the hour of sleep cause the 5 still hurt too much.

Smoked last cigarette in 1997, finally went from chronic to episodic about 3 or 4 years after that--thought they were gone for good, but oh, well...

For me anyway, smoking made things worse. And if quitting smoking for good helped, it took years to do so. I remember reading years ago that someone's doctor told them clusters would go away 5 years after quiiting. I believed enough to encourage me to quit, but the real reason I quit was so my wife wouldn't leave me. She didn't want to be left to raise our son alone & I had promised when we had a child, I would quit. I quit for a while, but started sneaking them at work from '96 to '97. She caught me & held me to my promise.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by Charlie on Sep 15^th, 2002, 11:12pm

Here I go again:

I'll never never understand anyone starting again once one is over the hump. By that, I mean after a couple months, I could handle the cravings rather well and I was a very heavy smoker. The hardest thing is the first couple weeks. There came a time when after several months, that smoking was definitely a thing of my past. Knowing that I'd have to go through the agony of quitting again was enough for me. I never crave or think about smoking. Oddly, I dream about it now and then but so far it's always been in a negative way.

I just do no get starting again. It's like shooting yourself in the foot. Good luck for all who have or tried to quit

Charlie

Title: Re: smoking
Post by dentedgirl on Sep 16^th, 2002, 8:44pm

Hello people. I am a smoker. I don't know if smoking is a trigger or not, I smoke about a pack and a half a day and have for awhile so I couldn't say. I quit for about three months one time but my headaches did not change. I would rather smoke and be happy than walk around a grumpy not a very nice person always craving a smoke. I fight enough shit.
Times that I have smoked pot really triggered my headaches. Very painfull and stoned at the same time. Not a great combination.
Do any smokers feel better smoking while coming down from a headache? I do. Maybe it helps me relax. I dunno.

Title: Re: smoking
Post by dentedgirl on Sep 16^th, 2002, 8:45pm

Hello people. I am a smoker. I don't know if smoking is a trigger or not, I smoke about a pack and a half a day and have for awhile so I couldn't say. I quit for about three months one time but my headaches did not change. I would rather smoke and be happy than walk around a grumpy butthole always craving a smoke. I fight enough shit.
Times that I have smoked pot really triggered my headaches. Very painfull and stoned at the same time. Not a great combination.
Do any smokers feel better smoking while coming down from a headache? I do. Maybe it helps me relax. I dunno.
Mike