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Title: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 1:58pm Ok. If nobody minds me complaining for a minute or five, I need to vent. I hate it when things are like this. I am going downhill at the moment. I hate it when my parents argue. They don't do it a lot, and when they do they don't usually yell, they just get all pissed off at everyone. I hate it. I try to just get on with everything and not let things get me down, but when I am in an environment that is the opposite of that, I start losing my strength. You know when you just have one of those days where you wonder where your life is going? It is like you see the world through rose colored glasses up until you have to function in it by yourself. And I don't know about anyone else, but it was a huge dissapointment to me. It is all about money, no one gives a second thought to what is becomming of the youth of the nation. Or anyone else for that matter. Like the Columbine school shooting. I was watching a program on A&E about it, and they brought in a social worker, a therapist, a crime scene investegator, and few other people to study what had happened and how to prevent it in the future. They blamed the games they played,the movies they watched, etc. But not once did I hear them say something about a teacher or school official stopping the kids that made fun of them. It doesn't matter what movies you watch or what games you play, you aren't going to go shoot up a school without a reason. That makes me so mad. No one wants to take responsibility these days. It is all about the money. I don't know if any of you know who EMINEM is, but he won a music award the other night. I wanted to call up MTV and chew em out! And people wonder what is wrong with teenagers these days. You know what else is stupid? Murder is illegal and yet they have movies with murder in them, songs with murder in them, games with murder in them, etc. How dumb is that? I think it is sick. America is a great country as far as freedom goes. But what's the point of freedom if it is abused? People just don't know when to stop. Eminem sings about killing his mother, abusing his girlfriend, hating gays and lesbians, etc. Now I am not a lesbian, I don't happen to feel that way. But I have a great respect for gay people. It is hard to be different, and that is being extremely different. I do think people have the right to express their opinions, but when you are offending someone else it isn't right. And the fact that he can make cd's and say all of these things is unbelieveable. People feed on hate and anger to make excuses for their bad decisions. And by the music industry to support him, it is telling kids it is ok to do the things he is singing about. It just makes me mad. You wonder how much of a difference you can really make with all of this negetivity in the world. Ok. Off with my head! I wish. Tomorrow is a new day right? Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by SteveY on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:18pm Ok chill out. So called stars like emineme? although I have heard of him, won't be around in 5 years. You will. Keep your own standards and don't drop them for anyone. Be yourself and don't fall for all the crap the media says is normal. PFDAN Steve |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by ChristineL on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:20pm Dear Night, You are very mature for your years. Your parents should be very proud of you. Everyone argue's once in awhile. No biggie - it's healthy and gets all the junk out instead of keeping it inside and letting it fester until things are worse than they really are. I happen to agree with you 100% about EMINEM. The guy should be taken out behind the woodshed and have his mouth washed out with soap. I mean what kind of sick mind does that guy have and to praise and award him for it is absolutely criminal in my mind. My company was asked to fly him privately to Europe last year. When we found out who it was we refused. I might be old fashioned but that's the way I was raised. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and the right perspective on life. Keep it up and never compromise your values. Tomorrow is another day.......... Chris L |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by jonny on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:23pm Like I said. .................jonny |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:26pm Good on ya! Yes, my parents are proud of me. And my moms best friend is having problems with her neice that is living with her, so my mom is thankful to have gotten stuck with me. I have good parents also. I think it was kind of an even deal. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by eyes_afire on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:30pm Hi Night Owl. I agree it is good to vent every so often. Parents normally will have points of disagreement and even argument. This is natural as long as the disagreement isn't destructive or divisive and there is healthy respect among the parties. Sometimes disagreement can be healthy for a relationship. I sympathize with your feelings of disgust at the overall lack of responsibility pervading so many of the modern social issues. There is lots of finger-pointing and not enough humans accepting responsibilities. I would say that what you are feeling is not abnormal, I've felt it myself many times and at age 31, still do. I remember the time (actually many times) I went from 'rose-colored glasses to the real world'. It was a rude awakening for me and was indeed disappointing, but I became wiser. It's what I call 'The Horrified Look Around'. It is that part of life that is initially appalling but must ultimately be navigated. I like your recent posts, they have been logical and real. Humanity needs people who can turn thier moral outrage into something constructive. Please continue to contribute. Be as well as possible :) |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by ChristineL on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:34pm Ya know what Night - go tell them that - we parents enjoying hearing it once in awhile. Chris L |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:39pm Thankyou. It helps when you talk to people who will listen. Or read. I realize it is normal to argue. And that is fine, but I hate it when they are snitchy at me because they are angry at each other. And you know what else? They are the most stubborn people I have ever met in my life! Neither one of them wants to talk to the other first! It is so irritating! That's ok, things will be fine in about five minutes. LOL. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by ChristineL on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:45pm I gotta laugh............believe me when I am in a bad mood I am not very nice to anyone!!!! Sort of goes with the territory. . As far as no one wanting to talk first. Again - I need to calm down before I can be rational - and that sometimes can be weeks. - LOL Just a stubborn scot! Chris L |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by catlind on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:45pm Once again Night, you are far too wise for your age. I do not in any way see that as negative, it's just very unusual to find a teenager who has gained wisdom along with intelligence. Your point is very well put forth, I would just add one more thing to it. Parents. Please don't blame video games, movies, or any other form of external entertainment or motivation. Those boys in columbine (I had the misfortune of watching it live - which I didn't appreciate - but hey freedom the press right?) had parents that made 6 figure incomes, and the one boy had his garage FULL of the stuff they planned to use at the school. Where the hell were that kids parents? The problem in my opinion is not that the music is there, or the games are there or the movies, it's that the parents today don't seem to care enough to monitor what their children are doing. My kids aren't allowed to watch a new tv show (cartoon or otherwise) unless I see the show first. A classic example was dragonball Z - as far as I could see the only thing that show provided was violence for no reason. Parents need to involve themselves in their childrens lives, keep communications open, I talk constantly with my 8 and 10 year old about what if scenarios....what if a friend asks you to smoke a cigarette? What if a boy asks you to engage in sexual activities? What will you do? What if your friends ask you to do drugs or drink? What will you say? Clark and I work very hard to keep that communication ongoing so that it's not a one time discussion, so that our kids will be able to come to us with problems. We want our children to respect life, to see it as the highest value and that they have no right to harm or hurt another life by exercising their right to happiness. I might be doing it wrong, but if so, I will have done my best to raise children that are well adjusted and respecting teens and adults. I want them to see us as their friends and parents when they get older. Night, time will pass, and you have a good head on your shoulders, my parents used to fight alot, and it is very hard to deal with, just remember that you are smart and you are wise, and you are above that petty behaviour if you choose to be. Cat |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by catlind on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:49pm on 09/02/02 at 14:45:03, ChristineL wrote:
Oh man, not another one!!! LOL I too am from a scottish background and as I've been told too many times "Damn you are stubborn!" LOL Cat |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:52pm Sounds like you are doing a great job. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Melissa on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:56pm Owl, you remind me of myself at your age, and if it's any consolation, I turned out alright ;) (SHADDAP in the diaper section!!) Anyhow, even if you don't think there's a damn thing you can do about all the crap going on in the world, just remember, there will always be a little kid watching you. You will unknowingly guide them into their future, by being their role model. You show a lot of insight, and determination. Try to remember, if life's not going the way you want it too, you have the power to change the way you perceive it. Just a little thought... :)Mel |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 2:58pm The sun still rises and sets regaurdless of who's watching. I just keep telling myself. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by NancyMcFree on Sep 2nd, 2002, 3:01pm Hey night owl. Keep those standards up. If you disagree with the songs eminnem writes then just say so ... the next time you hear a song that you don't agree with even when you are surrounded by friends that like it .... just say "you know .... really don't agree with the lyrics". It pays in life to say what you think ... even if only one person agrees with you, you know that you have been true to yourself and that in the end is all that matters. You are truly an amazing teenager. Such values for someone so young. Your parents must have done something right or you wouldn't have the values that you have ........ sometimes parents just don't agree .......and you know what else ..........sometimes its just hard to pay the bills .......and therefore money does become an issue. Keep you chin up, keep your values, and keep loving the people that blessed you with them ..... you will do well in life ........ I see it coming !!!!! |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by catlind on Sep 2nd, 2002, 3:09pm Night, have you ever seen the movie Pay it Forward? If not watch it. It only takes one person to start things. One person to stand up and help, and then maybe that person will help another and so on. When BILL_L won the auction for the portable O2 tank, he donated it to me....he helped me, and in turn, I'm trying to help OUCH by raising money, and I will take his kindness and pay it forward. One person can make a difference, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You might make all the difference to another teen friend in what path they choose later. I've had people come up to me long after highschool and say "if it hadn't been for you.....etc" Never underestimate the power of your personal values and never let others compromise them :) Your parents should be proud, I'm not even your parent, I'm just a person on a message board, and I'm proud, and you've given me a little hope that maybe the next generation WILL be smarter and better. Cat |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 3:18pm Thanks. Yes, I have seen that movie. I love it. I also love the movie Life As A House. Everyone should see it. Now that we are on the subject of entertainment, has anyone heard the song "Fast Car" by Tracy Chapman? It tells a good story. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by kim on Sep 2nd, 2002, 3:29pm Hey Night? I just wanted to say a Big THANKS! us parents need that reminder every so often. We get so caught up in the "taking care of" and the "responsibility" that we can forget to observe and listen to the gifts our children offer up. Your parents are as much a reflection of you as you are of them. all you can ever be is the man (or woman) in the mirror. Keep your heart full. And know that your parents' hearts are most likely "fuller". :) Be patient with them ;) Well wishes, Kim |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 5:12pm Anytime. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by 2late on Sep 2nd, 2002, 6:57pm first of all eminem's a punk second ,i hope my daughter turn's out like u owl!! ...............2late |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by ShariRae on Sep 2nd, 2002, 7:32pm Night, Well said!! You are wise beyond your years..and no matter what....always be true to yourself.. you will never go wrong... Huggs Shari |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by don on Sep 2nd, 2002, 8:19pm Hey Night Owl If I ever adopt a kid I'm putting in an application to get you. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 9:05pm Why thankyou. Glad to be of some assistance. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by don on Sep 2nd, 2002, 9:11pm Takes courage to wear your heart on your sleeve. It was a good post. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by paul_b on Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:19pm Who said that our youth are going downhill? Great post and great replies. By the way, I am not stubborn, just commited to not bending easily ;D |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by HypnoticFreddy on Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:05pm Hey!!!! Leave Eminem out of this. Bigger concerns than filthy-mouthed rappers are occurring. We should be more concerned with the situation in Iraq, problems with poverty, and overall oppression in this world. Think globally, act locally. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by nancyc on Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:15pm Hey, Night , ignore Don..i want to adopt you....I know I sure would be proud of you if i was your mom..Heck, I am proud of you and I am not your mom...and toby (my puppy)would love having you around to keep him straight. :Dnancyc |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:31pm Feddy - If you listen to Eminem, I pity you. I realize there are problems bigger than this, but how many teenagers do you know that have their tv set to CNN rather than MTV? Music is one of the biggest influences on teens. A kid isn't going to go rebel against his parents because of a documentary on CNN, however, if he listened to someone like Eminem, who MAKES EXCUSES FOR HIS BAD DECISIONS, he just might. Common sense here dude. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Ted on Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:05am I don't know. I like Eminem. I'm not so sure music plays as big a role in teens' behavior as you think. Kids have been rebelling since there were teens to rebel, no matter if the music genre-of-the-day was calling for the killing of cops (Public Enemy) or of dreaming about white Christmases. If it played such an important role I think you'd see more kids, who were indoctrinated into the music world at a much younger age then the teenage years, popping weasels and putting cradled babies on treetops waiting for a good wind to blow. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:34am I am a teenager. I think I would know better than anyone. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Ted on Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:47am I was a teenager. I think I have some personal knowledge on the subject. Plus, pretty much all studies on the subject go against your conclusion. Actually, there was once a time when comic books were blamed for kids rebelling and showing "degenerate" behavior. So some parents and morality preachers held comic book burning vigils across the country. Then, luckily for the comic-book industry, Elvis came along to take the blame. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by sailpappy on Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:50am ;D ;D Hey Young Man, I don't know if I have ever posted to you or not, my mind is getting pretty fuzzy, Your an exceptional teenager in this day and age by what I have read of your post and reply's. My last kid at home is a 17 year old Daughter, she listens to the same music your talking about, Eminem-Degrading women,promoting stero typing and abuse of women, pushing hate and making a fortune doing it. I find myself pretty confused these days with music of the street rap origin like this group,do or die, Puff Daddy, Tu-Pac. It's like the kids want to get stupid, so they lower their standards to accept this crap and all the evils that it promotes , wanna-be's! I'm not predjuice but I know i'm going to come off sounding like it here so Sory in advance because I really amnot except towards ignorance vs intellegence. There are a lot of Great musicans in this era, Boys to men, Celine Deion, you know people that are talented to the point that their music can move you to tears, songs that strike a cord all the way to your heart and soul, that you assossiate things that occur in your life to, songs that really just plain move you! You sound like you have a pretty good handle on how to deal with your parents issues, but have you ever talked to them about your feelings and the way their argument affect you and any siblings you may have? You ought to, or better yet , get the video camera out and tape a few episodes for them to see what they are doing to disrupt your house hold! when they see the tape it will make them realize what they look like to you! I think the music issue is a lot like the sports issues from my prespective, Missplaced values at best, the imphasis should be on scholars that have achieved great goals in science, or industry or medicine and not on Sports figures, I mean they spend a ton of money each year to sponser after hours school football and basketball and baseball but how much do you see going to science fairs or research projects that could impact the lives of every person in this country, we have our HERO worship thing all backwards if you ask me, I mean it's great that someone can shoot a lot of baskets, but how many hungry kids is that going to feed, and how amny sick and dieing people need to hear that baseball players are making millions of dollars and they cant afford their perscription medictions. You sound like the kind of kid I would be proud to cll my son! Pappy ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 3rd, 2002, 1:00am Thankyou sailpappy, although the son thing would be a bit wrong. I happen to be female. And statistics are shit! The people that did those tests were probably a lot older than their subjects. No offense, but things have changed. Besides their friends and family, music and tv take the tops spots. I feel that music is a bit more "personal" than tv. I think that you can relate to it a bit more. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Ted on Sep 3rd, 2002, 1:09am Now, if statistics were really shit why do we even want any researchers to study cluster headaches and why would we pay any attention to OUCH's polls concerning clusters? Statistics can be manipulated to be shit, but they're not inherently. And the age of the people doing the studies wouldn't skew the results of their study since they weren't the ones being studied. Things haven't changed that much, unless you go by the cliche "the more things change the more they stay the same." Also, music and lyrics are more a reflection on society and not the other way around. That's why you are correct. Music is pretty personal and we can relate to it pretty well. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 3rd, 2002, 1:13am I would rather think of myself as a "person" than a statistic. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 3rd, 2002, 2:27am Ya know... I wasn't a teenager all that long ago, and the music I listened to in high school was music that the special interest groups said was bad for young minds, but I didn't decide it was okay to go school and shoot a bunch of ppl for no good reason. True, many of the bands that are popular now wasn't around then, but we had the gansta rap then. Ice-T singing about shootin' cops... Dr. Dre and Snoop Dog singing about getting high, and kickin' some ass. The "bad" music was around, and most of my friends listened to it. Guess what, not one of us killed anyone, or even shot at anyone. We didn't disrespect our parents or our teachers. Some of us were even picked on in school, and still we didn't go over the edge. We all graduated, most of us near the top of the class. One guy, who was a well known pothead who also listen to all this same music, and watched the same sex and violence on TV, and played games like Doom, graduated second in our class, just one hundreth of a point behind first. It's not what you watch, or what you listen to, or what games you play, it's the person you are. If you are prone to violence, you will be violent. If you don't know wrong from right, then you will have a higher chance of doing wrong. I wish ppl would stop blaming all that is wrong on what they are exposed to, and start taking some responsibility for their actions. Columbine happened because those two kids went off the edge, and didn't give a damn who they hurt, or what they did. That wasn't caused by TV, radio, or computer. Maybe it was the school's fault for not have proper counciling services available... Maybe it was their parents fault for not paying enough attention to them... Or maybe, just maybe, it was their own damn fault. They were old enough to make their own decisions, and they decided wrong. PFDAN......................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Charlie on Sep 3rd, 2002, 4:58am Owl: You do sound mature for your age. You demonstrate that you might be a critical thinker. Critical thinking involves lots of attention to what makes sense, not what is popular and easy. Things like Columbine horror are terrible but it's not at all new. The difference is we have cable news 24 hours a day. The "good old days.” is a fallacy. Child kidnappings, and the same kind of mayhem were just as common and in many ways worse. American children are safer today than at anytime. They've gone too far scaring the shit out of them. The cable news beats these stories to death to hold a good portion of the audience to sell crap. I for one, do wish there wasn’t so much violence especially in films. I guess most of us like violence. I like to laugh once in awhile but sadly, there isn’t enough money in adult comedy. I’m not sure of the effect of all the blood in films but it can’t be good. I don’t think legislation is a good idea either. I’m tired of morality laws. For me, rock has nothing to do with music but I don’t care what kids listen to as long as I don’t hear it. Censorship and intolerance of lifestyles are an outrage. Try and relax. We are safer, healthier and better informed than at any time in history. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by BobG on Sep 3rd, 2002, 5:12am Charlie, Your "hold a good portion of the audience to sell crap. " couldn't be more true. Dan Rather doesn't care if anyone ever listens to a word he says. Just as long as you watch the commerical$ in between the sound bite$. US News & World Report or Time magazines are not published to give anyone news. They are only there to sell add$. National and/or local newpapers are only in the business to get advertiser$ to spend big buck$. Buck$ that are added on to the price of the crap they're selling. A headline "2 Million High School Students Earn Straight A's" will not sell even one newspaper or magazine. A headline "Gang Member Caught With Gun at School" will sell thousands of papers. Night_Owl.......stick with your good morals..........you'll go far. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Charlie on Sep 3rd, 2002, 5:34am You're right too Bob. Along with your observations on useless news--by the way, network news is a little better than CNN and Fox; the 24 hour Gary Condit, kidnapping, and shark attack channels. Immorality was there in the "good old days," but "immoral" which had a broader definition back then. If you had no money and "moral" people didn't like something about you, you were forced into what we called slums. If they got out of line, they got the shit beat out of them, often by the police. "Good" people, who were concerned or wanted to help, were nearly non-existent. The good old days of McCarthy, George Wallace, bigotry, polio, and lynching. Really progressive old Charlie |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by HypnoticFreddy on Sep 3rd, 2002, 8:01am Maybe more teenagers should watch CNN. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by don on Sep 3rd, 2002, 9:02am A teenaged girl (sorry Night) A Young Lady used the word responsible in her post! I suppose your accountable for your actions too????? Way to go Night, but dont let Nancy adopt you, she'll make you wear funny cloths and go to Sunday School. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by echo on Sep 3rd, 2002, 9:29am Great post and replys night. My 17 yr old son, in my opinion, is one of the few teenagers that prefers classic rock music and the new religious R&R bands over the rappers and others in that same arena. Quite often I will find him watching the history channel, animal channel and yes CNN & MSNBC. You and he seem to have some of the same values. Sorry to read that the parents are having a hitch in the gitalong. As long as they are communicating they will work it out. Let them know what you're feeling and how the situation is effecting you. Sometimes we parents need to be reminded how our relationships impact those close to us. Hang in there night, you truly have a great way about you, and in the way you communicate with others. Chimming in with the others you sound older than your years. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by oringkid on Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:35am Quote:
This is the problem. And this problem lies on 2 fronts. One, parents either do not have the time to spend with their children to teach them right from wrong or they don't care. Two, our children are not getting good educations anymore. When I was in school, and even more so when my mother and father were in school, they were taught not only the 3 R's but also, good manners, how and why to be polite, how to be young ladies and gentlemen. Seems stupid doesn't it? It's not. Civilization is a veneer. And up until now it has been carefully protected and cherished. Without it, we are animals, dangerous animals because we have more intelligence. Our veneer is chipping and fading. We need that veneer in order to continue to exist as a species. Our children are growing up not knowing how to protect this veneer. They grow up without learning manners or how to be polite or why it is important. They are growing up learning hate. They are learning hate from their parents, from their friends, from music. But they are not learning the reason for the hate, just the hate. This is a problem all over the world, not just here. All of the fighting and wars in the world continue due to the fact that the children are taught to hate. They are never given the background for the hate just the fact that they should. Probably their parents don't even know why. It seems fewer and fewer people are born with common sense. Do you have to be born with it? Can it be learned? I don't know. But I know that not having it can be dangerous. Lack of education is dangerous. Lack of parental supervision and teaching is dangerous. And teaching hate is the most dangerous thing of all. Night, you are blessed with common sense, education and good caring parents. Protect that. and spread it where you can. Sherry (the x'd out words are a n i m a l s. wish we could stop the censoring of that word.) |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by nancyc on Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:54am LMAO Don...that would be you doing that to Night..not me...wear funny clothes ?:o...now, Sunday school is not a bad idea..She can hang out with the other teens that have a tendency to hang out at my house with me and toby... ;Dnancyc |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 3rd, 2002, 3:59pm Lol. This is a great string of replies. I realize that a lot of people listen to violent music and watch violent movies and turn out just fine. I just don't think that that kind of behavior or language should be supported. People who are angry and hurt, tend to feed on hurt and anger. In my opinion, we are just making a bad situation worse, by supporting these types of things. Oh, and I do happen to watch CNN. Speaking of that, did anyone see that interview with Mattie Stepanek? Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by eyes_afire on Sep 3rd, 2002, 4:18pm I would have to strongly agree with Ted that 'music and lyrics are more a reflection on society'. As a guitar player, I find that many people think the opposite is true. It's really rather frustrating. If those people are right then, we humans are so easily manipulated that we may as well close our ears and eyes forever and live in fear of what may take-over our minds. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 3rd, 2002, 4:21pm Yes, that is very true. I also play the guitar. :) Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 3rd, 2002, 4:25pm But it's not right to tell ppl what they should or should not be listening to or watching. If ppl want to listen to Eminem, that's up to them. If ppl want to give him an award, that is up to them. It's not support for the singer, producer, or writer of the song... It's support for what the audience wants. MTV doesn't unilaterally decide who get their awards... I believe they leave that up to the ppl. And if ya want violence, it's always been my observation that the news has alot more violence and death than what you ever see in movies, or listen to in songs. PFDAN........................ Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by don on Sep 3rd, 2002, 6:18pm Members of Congress............... Distinguished guests................ Introducing.................. The first................ Lady President of the United States................. President Night Owl. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Slammy on Sep 3rd, 2002, 6:32pm Heheheh.... She's got my vote, Don! :D Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 3rd, 2002, 6:34pm Lol. I wasn't trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't listen too. I was merely stating that I disagree with what Eminem sings about. Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by jonny on Sep 3rd, 2002, 6:40pm Prehaps you should tell him that on his website. Just a thought. ...................jonny |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:44pm I would agree with Jonny... Maybe ya should send him a message about how you feel. I didn't mean to sound like I was trying to attack you or anything. I've always been a little touchy about ppl either blamin' music or other enterainment for the problems with society. Many times, that can become censorship in the long term, and I oppose censorship in any form. Didn't mean anything against you. Hope you're having luck against the beast. PFDAN......................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Night_Owl on Sep 4th, 2002, 12:13am The beast is just kickin away. Skull is busting. Wall is cracking... Night_Owl |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by don on Sep 4th, 2002, 7:31am I have the cpmplete collectors edition of Wayne Newton CDs if anyone would like copies. |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 4th, 2002, 4:10pm Don... Sometimes I wonder who's more pathetic... You or that cat... LOL Night Owl... Sorry that the beast is still kickin' the shit outta you. Good luck. PFDAN......................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Need to yell Post by Charlie on Sep 4th, 2002, 5:27pm Great. Getting low on clay pigeons :D Charlie http://www.headachesupportgroups.com/echat43/rolling.gif |
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