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(Message started by: HypnoticFreddy on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 9:11am)

Title: Rugged Face
Post by HypnoticFreddy on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 9:11am

What is this I read about clusterheads having rugged faces? I have a pleasant non-rugged face. What about women who suffer from CHs? I am pretty sure they would not take too kindly to being told that they have rugged faces. Surveys really bother me. >:(

As to another post, how many of you clusterheads have addictive and/or compulsive behavior? I certainly do, and I wonder if THAT is common in clusterheads.

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Bob P on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 9:52am

Don't forget that they large square jaws, hazel eyes and are usually large men being meekly led in to the doctor's office by a small, forceful wife.

Truthfully, I do wonder about eye color. The cluster survey seems to show a large number of hazel and blue eyes. I wonder what the normal percentage of these color eyes is in the general population? Not that the color of the eyes has anything physically to do with CH but eye color is a genetic thing and related to your roots. It could perhaps be indicitive of a relationship to area of origin or nationality.

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by SFChris on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:05am

Bob,

The first thing my doctor said to me when I explained my symtoms was "oh oh, you have green eyes and present as a classic cluster headache sufferer". He never really explained the green eye comment, but mentioned that in his experience it was very common. The WebMD site on Clusterheadaches mentions this as well. I thought it might be a coincidence.

Chris

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by HypnoticFreddy on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:13am

Also I stand at a whopping 5'5. I read that most clusterheads are tall. I do have green eyes though. Surveys are lame. If the headaches killed, more research would be done towards their cause and treatment.

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by nancyc on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:16am

This is weird...Bob P, did you know alot of alcoholics i see at the drug center, have blue eyes? The patients and I have talked about this alot.. Strange? who knows..But if we have compulsive personalities and are known to drink alot..maybe there is a connection here...But rugged faces, I think NOT... ;Dnancyc

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by loserib on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:28am

i have a super addictive personality and i have blue eyes and im short

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Melissa on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:34am

ok, explain this:

My clusters first started appearing at the age of 16.
My eyes up till that point were a chocolate brown.
From the age of 16 on, they began to turn hazel.
Now they are mostly green, with a little brown toward the pupil.

Why?
;D

Mel

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Bob P on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:42am

I don't know how accurate this si but these are the the only eye color % for the US that I could find on the web. I'll list them with the US% and then the CH%:

brn/blk - US 66%, CH 33%
blu/gry - US 18%, CH 33%
hazel - US 10%, CH 19%
grn - US 6%, CH 11%

clusterheads have only 1/2 the expected % of brown/black eyes and almost double the expected % of blue/grey/hazel/green.

What does this all mean? Melissa is strange!

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by maria on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:49am

Hey all, I have an article here on Cluster Headaches that suggests patients with cluster headaches have distinctive facial characteristics. These include a lion-like face, ruddy complexion, deep furrows on the face, vertical forehead creases, asymmetrical facial creases, orange peel facial skin and broad chin and skull. Patients are generally tall and rugged looking. Distinctive personality features were also noted in CH'ers: they they present as a "leonine-mouse syndrome" - they are timid people with increased dependency needs who nevertheless needed to appear manly. The article goes on to describe these patients as ambitious, efficient, goal-oriented, hard-driving and compulsive, but nevertheless insecure and lacking in self-confidence. Interesting, huh? Maria

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by HypnoticFreddy on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:54am

Personally, I think the stats are a bunch of crap. I believe that clusterheadaches are not understood, as with many other types of headaches.
The mysteries of the mind.
The mysteries of the universe.
Why are we here!?!?!?

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Melissa on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 10:57am

Gee, thanks Bob ;D

OMG, a CH characteristic is a "lion like face"??? OMG, Riccardo!! The MELTIGER!! :o Rotflmao!!!!

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Drk^Angel on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 12:19pm

I've also read multiple studies that have disproved the CH physical characteristics. Those characteristids were originally observed in a small study performed when clusters were first being recognised, recent studies have not seen the validity of them.

PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Bob P on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 12:54pm

The percentage of eye colors that I list are from a currently ongoing survey with over 11,000 responses from clusterheads.

I see much validity in the numbers but what it means about clusters I have no idea.

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Drk^Angel on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 12:59pm

I wasn't talkin' about the eye colours... I was talkin' about the cat-like appearance, rugged looking, tall, thick skinned, etc, etc, etc...

PFDAN......................... Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by don on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 1:32pm

I am tall, extremely handsome and athletically built. My fantasies are to have............ooopppsss.......wrong site.

DONT EMAIL ME HUB!

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Samiam on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 1:56pm

Well I guess I'm not the norm then...I'm 5'5" dark brown eyes, porcelain skin (not a wrinkel on it) round face, I don't smoke and maybe a glass of wine or a cosmo once a week. I remember all to well that the first neuro I went to told me, there was no way I had cluster's I didn't fit the mold....LOL....But the funny thing is...My bio father had blue eyes, heavy drinker, heavy smoker, rugged skin, and a squard jaw...and of course he was a male.....and as far as I know never had migraines nor cluster's....DO YOU THINK THERE SOMETHING TO THIS?...Sami

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by oringkid on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 4:36pm

Here's something to throw in the mix too. Blue eyes, which I have by the way, are generally weaker than the others. I have TERRIBLE vision. VERY near sighted.

When in high school, I was fascinated by the dominant and recessive gene stuff especially related to eyes.

Also, I have noticed although have no proof that many, many intelligent people have bad vision. Weird huh? Like when I worked at a stock brokerage there were a LOT of VERY intelligent people there and almost ALL of them wore glasses!

Sherry

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by loserib on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 7:29pm

im near sided and far sided me optomitres told me that since i have i go t both i go through life without noticing

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by kim on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 8:14pm

LMAO! :D Can you imagine being a 14 year old girl reading the Mayo clinic (big FAT book, or something like it) and reading about MEN with RUDDY complexions blah blah blah). LMAO! ;D WTF??? ??? Here I was this tiny pre-teen GIRL! LMAO ROF. Rugged face, yeah and then they woke up! :D

Anyway, let me get composure here (ROFLMAO!!! ;D)

That sort of data is beat up about as dead as a doornail. Simply put, it's a CROCK A sumpin. ;)

That is why more peeps gotta get in on that clinical trial thing. Gracia DJ for the info. :)

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Charlie on Aug 23^rd, 2002, 9:34pm

I'm 6' 2" with blue eyes and florid or reddish complexion. I have no idea what this means. The surveys are skewed as they apply to people with access to puters. By the way, I wonder about the eyeglass thing. Intelligent people are prone to bad vision? Perhaps intelligent people usually will do what has to be done includiung eye wear. Just a possibility.

I'm also an epileptic with acute hearing. Many epileptics have extraordinary hearing. I asked the board about CHers with better than average hearing. Many say this applies as well. This has nothing to do with anything accurate or scientific, I should add.

Really rugged old Charlie

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by whart on Aug 24^th, 2002, 2:11am

Actually, i just had a first visit to another neuro- Dr. today, at the Cornell Med. Center in NYC. Very brite young guy, candid, willing to discuss the myths as well as the limits of conventional medical therapy. He did mention an early study that characterized the typical sufferer as looking like the Marlboro Man. I saw a reference to this in Graham, circa 1972, as a citation to the medical info article posted by the founder of this site. I am obviously skeptical, but i found it interesting. Does anybody have a copy of this article.? I tried to trace it on the web, where it appeared as a reference in a footnote, but got to Medline, which is apparently subsciption based.

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Charlie on Aug 24^th, 2002, 6:23am

OUCH Militia Wants You

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Jim R on Aug 24^th, 2002, 6:33am

6 ft., blue eyes, prominent jaw, fair skin (English descent) - CH since I was 23 (47 now). Very near sighted. Smoke and like my beers when I can (and yes, Mast, my IC!) - Jim R

Title: Re: Rugged Face
Post by Ann on Aug 24^th, 2002, 8:46am

Ok.. so here goes nothing:
I'm 5'3", 36 year old female. I suffer from severe astigmatism in right eye and near sightedness in left eye (cluster eye) My eyes are hazel except for cluster eye which is always bloodshot and hazel! I do not have a rugged complexion but am starting to get wrinkles...(sniff..although I sometimes still get carded! LMAO) They only place I have orange peel skin is on my ass! hahahah sorry couldn't resist! That's probably too much information right? I'll shut up now!

hugs
Ann