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Title: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 21st, 2002, 7:33am Just me and you So tell us again in laymans terms what Your Theory is? If you're able ... ''''''''Post edited and obsceneties removed'''''''''''' C'mon ... laymans terms so every one can understand, even Boob The rest of you stay out In the interests of benefit to the spectators I'll only respond the medical stuff in your posts ... feel free to mouth off about me personally but I'll just respond to the medical stuff Why do I get the feeling he's going to chicken out? Danny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by don on Aug 21st, 2002, 8:16am Take it to email. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Ree on Aug 21st, 2002, 8:31am You tell em Don!!!! ps hey did you go to Onset???????? I did!!!! |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by SteveY on Aug 21st, 2002, 9:54am Hmm Interesting. I do not know you Danny boy, but I have a few things to say to you. Firstly, you do not own this board and therefore have no right to ask people to remove their posts. We still operate under democratic rule in the US and UK and freedom of speech is paramount. Secondly, I am unaware as to what problem you have with Ueli, whatever it is wouldn't Email or a private chat room be the best place to discuss it? Regarding medical knowledge i.e you vs Ueli, I too have a reasonable amount of knowledge as to the aetolgy of CH and its prognosis and current research. I am however not a neurologist, neither are you. Ueli trys his best to offer support to people on this board with the knowledge and personal experiences he has gained as a long term CH sufferer, THAT IS WHAT THIS BOARD IS HERE FOR. May I suggest that you go to medical school, qualify, then do a further 3 years learning neurology, then a few years in practice, then you'll know more than Ueli. I have read all your posts recently and some are very impessive, however, if the likes of Professor Goadsby and say the Mayo clinic behaved like you wish to do with Ueli, where would medical research into CH be? Communication and the sharing of ideas and theories is what we should be doing, not conducting some sort of I know more than you do war. We are all amatuers, we suffer this awful condition and some of us know a little about it. We do not know it all. Can we please get back to supporting each other. PFDAN Steve ps This message stays unless DJ removes it. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by debbie4278 on Aug 21st, 2002, 10:04am Just thought I'd say HI! to SteveY, a newbie, BEFORE he gets his patty whacked. HI! SteveY. Deb PS I've moved up to JUNIOR!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 21st, 2002, 10:15am Remember that Free, On the House, 'Shut Up Don' that you offered me, ... mind if take it now? I'd also appreciate it if you guys would remove your posts from this thread so that we can hear Ueli's explanation with out degenerating into the ususal flaming and name calling Just me, Just him, Just Medicine C'mon ... remove them ... (Please SteveY?) Is honour dead? Men had duels for good reason. C'mon DJ, put in that fighting conrner so we don't upset the kids Danny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Ueli on Aug 21st, 2002, 12:49pm Oh Dannyboy, Do you really thing I am wasting my time by engaging in a pissing contest with you ??? on 08/21/02 at 10:32:08, dannyboy wrote:
Dannyboy, you can repeat this bullshit another 100 times, nobody is going to believe it. As your dad is decompressing this extracranial artery to treat migraine, you try to involve it in any type of headache, just in an attempt to sucker the unwary. The above quote is a nice example of the medical knowledge of Dannyboy: extracranial means outside the cranium (also known as the skull; for Danny, that is the hard bony shell just under your scalp). An extracranial structure is certainly outside the brain, but can we trust a guy who doesn't make a difference between inside and outside of the skull? Dannyboy, in your more than 150 posts you never made a single valid contribution towards the understanding or treatment of clusterheadaches. Quite in the contrary, you 'medical knowledge' does nothing than confuse people. Therefore, it would be time to move on. Why don't you go and pester migraine sites, there you would find many more potential customers for your dads business. Don, if you didn't like the title of the thread, why did you open the post? Debbie, SteveY is by no means a newbie. His post count is so low because he doesn't feel compelled to add a clever line or two to every thread. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Darleen on Aug 21st, 2002, 12:57pm Dannyboy, I agree with Don - if this is going to be a personal thing then it should kept as such. And Steve, welcome and very well put, you rock!!!!!!! By the way, no one except DJ and the original poster can remove posts and no one should be asking us to do that either. Who do you think you are Dannyboy anyway? This site is for cluster sufferers and supporters. Simply go away. Darleen |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Slammy on Aug 21st, 2002, 1:28pm Slammy's turn! You guys kill me! ;D Slammy's rant is that all the other posts (outside Ueli and Danny) is like someone walking up to two people who are arguing on the street corner and butting in. Both people arguing stop long enough to tell the outsider to butt out! :D Both Ueli and Dannyboy have a right to their opinions in here, and they both are passionate about that. I don't subscribe to Danny's point of view, however, in Danny's defense, he has posted several times on his efforts to help provide imitrex at affordable costs to those who needed it. I don't mind sitting back and watching those two "duke" it out, the "others" ought to do the same. SHO! Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Ted on Aug 21st, 2002, 1:39pm It's more like a mouse calling the cat out. If it's supposed to be private and no one else responds why was it done on the board and not in e-mail? I don't really care one way or another. I just wanted to post to this thread because danny doesn't want me to. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by catlind on Aug 21st, 2002, 1:56pm on 08/21/02 at 10:15:25, dannyboy wrote:
The only circumstance under which I will remove any post on this thread will be through a direct request of DJ. If you want to have duel with just you Ueli and medicine then I suggest you do it in a private forum not a public forum and then try to tell the rest of us to butt out. Hono(u)r among men is equal on both sides. If you wish a private battle, do it in a private format. If you wish for public input from others on this MB then continue to post publicly, otherwise, Lead, follow or get the fuck out of the way. Cat |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by jonny on Aug 21st, 2002, 2:20pm I think i'll just sit back with Slammy and watch (Slammy, pass me another brew) the fun, Ueli can handle the boy just fine. I got a C-note on Ueli. ..............jonny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Slammy on Aug 21st, 2002, 2:33pm on 08/21/02 at 13:56:03, catlind wrote:
Oh Cat... you're just a fuckin laugh riot! ;D I can't put a C note on Ueli... The "line" is off the board in Vegas! :D (passing a Sam Adams to Jonny!) Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Charlie on Aug 21st, 2002, 2:38pm Whew! Danny had me going for awhile. Some of his stuff was beginning to make sense. With these last few, he's restored my faith in crackpots. They never go away but also, they can be a source of some entertainment. I know little about CH and its machinations but I’ pretty damn sure that your insistence of an “extra-cranial” (Stay out of your daddy‘s library) component of CH exists only in your mind. Too bad, because if true, CH would likely be easier to handle. What does it take for you to understand that the only relationship between cluster headaches and migraines is that they are in the head? What is so hard about this? Shut the fuck up about removing posts. Ours aren’t the problem. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Georgia on Aug 21st, 2002, 2:49pm Charlie, may I? Crotchity, potty-mouthed, pun slingin', them's fightin words, funny as hell ole Charlie (who I just love to pieces) And Ted - LMAO!!! And Jonny - I'll put an F sharp up for Danny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by oringkid on Aug 21st, 2002, 2:56pm I wasn't going to get into this but....or should I say butt... Wouldn't extracranial input in fact point more directly to trigeminal neuralgia which can be triggered by touching the face? Ueli? Am I going in the right direction here? Sherry |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by 2late on Aug 21st, 2002, 6:51pm kick his ass U!!!!!!!, i'm in your corner .............2late |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Charlie on Aug 22nd, 2002, 12:47am Great having Georgia back. No one is safe now. I could never get away with much with her around. ::) Thanks Georgia but your kind words make me wonder if you're not losing your edge. ??? :) Watchful waiting here. 8) Really dull as they make 'em old Charlie |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Georgia on Aug 22nd, 2002, 3:23am Sorry, Charlie. I guess I am a little dreamy eyed these days. Now shut the fuck up punk ass before I kick your teeth in. :-* Keepin that edge nice and sharp, G |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by hub on Aug 22nd, 2002, 6:37am Danny you |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 22nd, 2002, 9:10am Ueli, RE your quote ... "Do you really thing I am wasting my time by engaging in a pissing contest with you" ... Does that mean that you've chickened out before the first bell in which case my prediction is correct and Georgia wins...? I think there's more to you than that Ueli ... I'm not trying to make an idiot out of you, I just Want to understand Its about understanding isn't it? ... thats why we're here ... Understanding Clusterheadaches Deffenition:- By "heat or cold therapy" I mean the various ways that people on this board use objects or substances to apply either heat or cold to their heads faces or necks in order to get some form of relief, no matter how small. Qusetion:- In your opinion, by what mechanism does Heat or Cold therapy affect the pain of cluster headaches in some people? Alternatively are you suggesting that: - - Heat or cold therapy provides no relief, other than psychological, on the pain of cluster headaches in any cases? Danny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Bob P on Aug 22nd, 2002, 9:15am Quote:
Dejavue - I think I've heard this before. Yep it was in 1st grade. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Edna on Aug 22nd, 2002, 9:33am HMMMMMMMM..........let me see now. dannyboy post something he wishes no one to respond to but Ueli??......OK......so why put it here? don is a smart man to say it should be through email; as is SteveY with his intelligent post. dannyboy asks us "PLEASE" to remove our post?......begging or what?.....don't think it'll happen anyway. Ted's wanting to post b/c we were asked not to...... ;D, hey.....that's why I'm here! jonny's the man being all cool about it.......b/c he know's Ueli can handle it AND CHARLIE :o, SUCH LANGUAGE!! and that's my 5 cents worth (not 2 cents b/c I personally think we should no longer have to mess with them lousy pennies and have the nickel as our smallest denomination of coin....LMAO) me, EDNA |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Melissa on Aug 22nd, 2002, 9:37am but EDNA! What am I gonna use to pay my daughter?? NICKELS?? OMG! She thinks pennies are actually WORTH something!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Ueli on Aug 22nd, 2002, 12:25pm Dannyboy, if you want to claim the title of the one who can piss farthest, I don't mind, you have earned it honestly. If you want to learn the basics about medicine, why don't you turn to your daddy's clinic? I think the doorman there is able to fill in your most fundamental gaps. If you want to talk further about clusters, why don't you arrange to watch a clusterhead during an attack? Then you wouldn't no longer ask silly questions why clusterhead grasp to the most desperate, weird distractions during an attack. Until you've made that experience you have nothing lost on this message board. Case closed. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 22nd, 2002, 12:38pm I saw Dennis Robertson having a cluster attack in my kitchen as you may remember... I have seen a guy called Ian who's surname I forget start panicking in my dads office when he felt an attack comming on ... real panick ... in his eyes you know ... he jabbed himself in the shoulder with imitrex and seemed to become euphoric as he felt the imitrex surge through him and the pain subsided I'll not go on ... Niether of them clutched at Hot or Cold anything nor did any of them require such items to be ready for them before they induced their attacks In short then your answer is "Heat or cold therapy provides no Real Relief, other than psychological, on the pain of cluster headaches in any cases? They may as well clutch a room temperature brick to their head or roll around in beach sand?" I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want to understand Danny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by oringkid on Aug 22nd, 2002, 2:21pm I use no meds so I do go for the ice. And the heat. And the tabasco. Sherry |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Ueli on Aug 22nd, 2002, 7:50pm Dannyboy, The name Dennis Robertson (or is it Denis Robertson ???) rings a bell. By watching him you saw a guy in pain from TMJ. As (almost) all here know, the only common thing in TMJ and clusters is that they are in the head. No points here. Freaking to watch a guy eager to give himself an Imitrex jab, eh? But a looooong way to be witness to a full blown cluster attack. Two points out of 100 here. So the odds are still 98 to 100, against you. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by sailpappy on Aug 22nd, 2002, 8:25pm ;D ;D Ueli, Minimize the page after clicking this link to return here!Turn up the volume!http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jhallahan2/streets%20of%20earth%20city.mp3 A dead hush falls over the arena, One vanquished with a few words, the other left knowing full well the vanquished cannot accept defeat in such a simplistic manner, Tension begins to grow as all,still in awe, mouths agape await the reply from the vanquished misguided illsuited player, his armour is that of the Broze age yet he battles in the age of steel. Wounded, licking his belittled ego, the vanquished regroups for another round of psycho-babble, hoping his mentor(Daddy) has left his notes lieing around for some extra advantage, little does he know that he has been playing in the Dark with a Titan with his head arest upon his hand,laying on his side, toying with the tiny little pest! But alas his delusions a quickly dimming as the light of a thousand Cluster torches begin to illuminate the arena! What will his next move of desperation be? Does he dare accept the facts and move on or continue to battle with the son of the Gods in an areana where he has no chance at all, I mean after all even Goliath was standing(and not the brightest titan in the clan). With baited breath I await the next move! ::) I for one can directly disprove his argument that cold nor heat aid in the abating of the demon, I fought for almost 13 years using only my own endorphans and Ice cold water, I know how it works for I have suffered at least 85,000 attacks, Doest he dare challange the face of factual truth in a well documented medical clinical study of my V.A. doctor? Probibly but he is without merit on all of his endeavours and I stil question his presentence in our forum when, and I quote: Quote:
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 23rd, 2002, 3:15am Ueli, 98 / 100 is almost even money! OK so what you're saying is that anyone who gets Real Relief from a bite-plate type appliance isn't getting relief from Clusterheadaches, but from TMJ OK I understand dude. My question though, is, if any one here gets relief from Ice then is the relief they're getting, relief from a condition called Clusterheadache ... or relief from some other condition? Danny P.S. and yeah man, it was freaky to watch |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Ted on Aug 23rd, 2002, 3:35am Actually, 98-100% against you is double the even money you claim. I'll take bets with you ANYDAY. What he's saying, obviously, is anyone who gets relief from a bite plate is not getting relief from clusters. Why are you so simplistic to think you can catch anyone in a trap of saying people with TMJ who get relief with a bite plate don't have CH? Obviously you can suffer from both. But you will NEVER treat CHs with a bite plate. Oh wait, you will. Let me rephrase. You will NEVER treat CHs successfully with a bite plate. |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 23rd, 2002, 10:35am C'mon Ueli dude, third time I'm asking the same question here ... if you don't answer this time I'm gonna smell blood for sure """"post added to"""" Damn! time out for me Gotta collect my Girl from JHB international, can only get back on Monday You've got three days Ueli Three days and one simple question See you on Monday Love Danny |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by catlind on Aug 23rd, 2002, 9:06pm Personally I see Ueli as the definite leader, and many of us clusterheads his followers, so that would leave Dannyboy to get the fuck out of the way. Cat |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by dannyboy on Aug 26th, 2002, 3:04am STRIKE ONE!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Hey Ueli, come and play Post by Drk^Angel on Aug 26th, 2002, 3:30am Dannyboy... Please let this drop. It's not helping anyone by keepin' this fight going. Let's agree to disagree, and let it be. Drk^Angel |
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