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If you are in excruciating pain all of the time, and nothing you are taking is helping, and you are in and out of the ER while your family suffers along with you, and you have heard a number of people successfully end their pain by dosing in small quantities with mushrooms, and you do not have a history of psychosis, yet you choose not to employ this therapy because it is "illegal", then, so be it.
There is no moral ambiguity about it. The only thing reprehensible about shroom therapy for prophylaxis of CH is someone who would rather see you suffer unspeakable pain than see you do something illegal.
Withholding this therapy from someone who is getting no relief from conventional therapies does not make sense to me. Refusing this therapy is your right, but a decision I cannot comprehend. This is not the opinion of some off the wall extremist, this is the result of examining a topic with logic and reason.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #1 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:21am » |
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;D ;D  ;D ;D
good post
excellent
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I been called worst....would reather hurt then spend any time in jail!!! ILLEGAL thats the key word for me!!! 
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #3 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:43am » |
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Wow! A little harsh wouldn't you say?
If someone is not comfortable with this "unconventional" treatment, we must respect that. After all, some people have the nerves removed from thier face and find relief. Although this is legal and has a good chance of offering relief, I would never go to such extreems. To some, breaking the law is just as extreem.
Having said that, there are countries you can visit that have shrooms served in various forms and can be consumed while standing in front of the local police.
If the law is really the problem, go somewhere where it is not. If this treatment just plain scares you, then by no means should you do it.
Really now, dumb and ass are not very nice. If it works for you, more power to yoou (worked for me). No reason to slam people.
Thank you and have a nice day 
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #4 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:53am » |
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curtis i understand your post and am behind what you say...illegal? im sure everyone is practising somehitng illegal without even knowing it....health above all people...above ALL...my personal health is more important than any law set down by some person i have never met , who knows nothing about what is better for me or not...so i think in this situation, where ones life is almost totaly ruined by unbearbvle pain in the face and head, doing something illegal is in order...NO ONE ASKED YOUR OPINION WHEN THEY DECIDED TO MAKEMUSHROOMS ILLEGAL, THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND DECIDED THAT MUSHROOMS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL, EVEN THOUGH THEY GROW WILD, PUT ON THIS EARTH BY GOD, I DONT THINK ANYT GOVERNMENT OR LAW INSTITUTION CAN STOP YOU FROM rELIEVING YOURSELF OF WHAT PEOPLE CALL THE WORST PAIN ANYONE CAN GO THROUGH....curtis...GRRRREAT POST
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #5 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:58am » |
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The doctors and insurance companies have been so abysmally irresponsible in this case that some of us have little choice but to take charge of our own conditions and resort to our own means.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #6 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:04am » |
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on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:15am, CJohnson wrote: This is not the opinion of some off the wall extremist, this is the result of examining a topic with logic and reason.
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Hi Curtis, interesting post...  now, if you wouldn't mind just letting me know which topic you are referring to then that'd be great, cos i'd really like to take a peek myself , and then, i'll be able to make a logical and reasonable decision as to whether or not I agree with you...  if you wouldn't mind being a poppet and doing that.....thanks that'd be great. 
Well hell a girl wouldn't wannabe accused of being an extremist now would she... ;D
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #7 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:06am » |
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I thik he means the whole shroom topic in general
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #8 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:17am » |
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 ...what the whole thing... okay im off to read it, i'll be back with my decision hopefully before the last person... ;D
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #9 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:21am » |
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Illegal:
1. Mailing imitrex to a fellow sufferer.
2. Jaywalking. Would you jaywalk to save someone from getting hit by a car?
3. Speeding.
I personally have never employed the shroom therapy, but, that said, I would if I had exhausted conventional means and continued to suffer screaming pain. Its one thing to use illegal substances for recreational purposes, or to commit a crime for personal gain, its another thing altogether to take a sub-recreational dose or two of shrooms for a chance of a sustained pain-free period.
I agree that someone who isn't psycologically stable should not try the shrooms, but to say that you won't try it because you aren't "comfortable" or because its illegal seems illogical. Should someone who is uncomfortable with needles not have their child vaccinated? To me its a matter of weighing the positive against the negative.
Please understand that I'm not saying everyone with CH should immediately start employing shroom therapy, but if nothing is working, why wouldn't you? Extreme pain every day is about the worst thing humans can experience. How can shroom therapy be worse than that!?
Who gains from your suffering? What purpose does it serve?
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I don't believe in it, I don't believe it works and I am not going to try it ! Don't try to force it down my throat.
I believe in God but I don't post your going to hell if you don't.
Its like proventive meds for cluster headaches. There is NO such thing!! A preventive med should stop you from having clusters. I have not found one med that has stoped them. I do believe in abortive, I can stop one when it comes on.
If it works for you fine but why call people names if they don't want to do it.
Complain if you have to live with me and put up with it, but don't complain if you don't and you don't !!!
Have a wonderful day!
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #11 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:46am » |
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Cathy, Ride is correct. I wasn't pointing to a specific post, but to the subject of employing shrooms for the prophylaxis of otherwise untreatable CH.
There are a number of extreme measures that can be taken for prophylaxis of CH, however, shroom therapy is among the least extreme. There is no cutting of nerves, or surgery of any kind. There is no potential heart failure or massive expense. It is nothing more than a substance whose molecules bind to certain neurotransmitter recepters to "stabalize/alter/enhance" the transmission of certain molecules in your brain. Somehow, in many cases, these puts the circadean modulation of neurotransmitters into a state which does not cause the trigeminal nerve to be aggravated in a way that results in sustained daily screaming pain.
The thought of myself or others suffering sustained daily screaming pain frightens me more than doing something illegal or being uncomfortable. If you would rather suffer sustained daily screaming pain than try shroom therapy, then so be it. If you would prefer that I suffer sustained daily screaming pain than allow me to try shroom therapy then we will be very much at odds.
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I will have a nice day because I am not suffering from sustained daily screaming pain.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #12 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:51am » |
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Kind of judgemental, don't ya think. To each his own.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #13 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:58am » |
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, any human that choses suffering extreme pain over a possiblke( and proven in lots of cases) remedy, then well...curtis is right
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #14 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:01am » |
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on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:46am, CJohnson wrote:| The thought of myself or others suffering sustained daily screaming pain frightens me more than doing something illegal or being uncomfortable. If you would rather suffer sustained daily screaming pain than try shroom therapy, then you are a D-U-M-B-A-S-S. If you would prefer that I suffer sustained daily screaming pain than allow me to try shroom therapy then you are an A-S-S-H-O-L-E. |
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Curtis--I enjoy your posts and insight on many topics, but telling some one they are an not a very nice person or Dumbass because they choose not to do something is a tad extreme.
My Humble Opinion.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #15 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:11am » |
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I have removed the filth and flarn from my posts. I re-read them and you are correct, Bob, it was judgemental. I was only trying to present an idea with vehemence, not judge anyone. A question of ethics really. Similar to the following:
Would you kill someone who was trying to kill someone you love, and killing them was the only way to prevent it?
Would you kill baby -some serial killer- to prevent the atrocities?
I am in no position to pass judgement of any kind on anyone. Each person has their own code of ethics which they must follow. It can be said that persons who follow their code of ethics despite the harshest set-backs and suffering (a'la Job) are the greatest among us. I just have a hard time understanding what is gained by not employing shroom therapy for a chance to end sustained daily screaming pain.
Apologies to those I've offended. Thanks Bob for helping me put my rant in perspective.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #16 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:13am » |
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A lot of religious people in this country think the non-religious ones ARE going to hell. These are many of the people that our politicians have to coddle in order to get elected. They really don't care if we suffer. I'm getting smacked in the head as I try to write this....pause
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #17 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:27am » |
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i hope you mean a religious person is giving you slaps to the head rather than you having a cluster attack....
if its the latter hang in their...if its the first thing then just try and dodge to avoid the slaps, nothing ismore irritating when you type
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #18 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:53am » |
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Hello....am i invisable here!?!
If your GOD tells you "Thou shalt not consume shrooms as thou may become sillyith!" Than do not do it!
If you are unemployable, Chronic, watching your family fall apart or just plain miserable and a law abiding citizen the POOL your EFFEN Med Money and fly, walk, run or swim to Amsterdam or the British Virgin Islands and get yourself some relief!!!!!!
If you "don't believe" it works and have never tried it then keep straining your heart, family and friends. Soke up that sympathy knowing that what other are finding as the most PROMISING possible CURE with the least amount of DANGER and only minor / temp side affects just plain ain't gonna help you.
MY GOAL is not to FORCE FEED anyone, just to educate and REITERATE that it can be done WITHOUT BREAKING LAWS for most likely LESS THAN YOU SPEND now on your endless supply of crutch meds.
I know as I was on serious crutches for many years until I found my cure.
With any luck at all and no offence to anyone, I hope this board becomes a very LONELY place as the pioneers of shroom treament (actually second gen as pink has gone before us all) get this thing down to a science.
Do not fret naysayers and those who have not tried and do not believe, we will never forget your pain and will still drop by from time to time to feel bad for and comfort you.
Peace Out!
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #19 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 9:53am » |
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CJ,
No prob. I too think everyone should consider giving it a try. I tried it. 4 doses. Didn't even slow my attacks but I tried it and I'd consider trying it again next go round. Been looking at my 1 1/2 year old spore print and wondering if it would germinate now.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #20 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:10am » |
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Jmin, salient points, all. How many ER visits equals a plane ticket to such a place. As a matter of fact, how can you put a price on a chance to be pain-free? That solves the problem of illegality, which, if I was suffering from sustained daily screaming pain, would be irrelavent, leaving only the issue of personal ethics. I would like to know what reason, besides illegality, someone would someone have for not trying it? Fear? Fear of what? The unknown?
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #21 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:28am » |
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Hmmmm.....seems to me it's a personal decision. There are man's laws....and there are God's laws. I believe one trumps the other. I would do shrooms in jail to find relief. I have been in jail and I have had CH...CH is worse. At least we are thinking about these things...good topic.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #23 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:36am » |
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That information was intended for teenagers not adults with brain diseases and it is meant to SCARE, not educate.
nobody here is recommending them for recreational use.
"Brought to you by the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign"
And this group does not give one hoot if we are in pain.
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Re: Dumbass
« Reply #24 on: Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:37am » |
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Agree with you there, it is a personal decision. The question is, what is the reasoning behind a personal decision not to, if legality is not a factor? What is driving the decision? What is gained, or maintained, or not lost?
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