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can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« on: Aug 7th, 2005, 12:48am » |
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hi.
i quit drinking cold turkey about 1.5 months back. within a week i started getting CH-style headaches. Now that i understand the nomenclature of this situation, these were shadows. In the last three weeks i wake up at 3 in the morning almost daily from a sound sleep with these vicious CH classic headaches.
could quitting drinking have triggered CH?
i think this must look weird but i'm really wondering about it. i'm now experimenting with a drink here and there, hoping that i can go back to my non-CH days. the idea of having these headaches for the rest of my life definitely makes me want to drink heavily    
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #1 on: Aug 7th, 2005, 1:40am » |
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 7th, 2005, 1:48am » |
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>no
honestly, i didn't think it could, or would. but, being a newbie, i had to ask.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #3 on: Aug 7th, 2005, 2:16am » |
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I drank my share of beer and alcohol when my CH appeared in 1969. I was 23. It was never a trigger for me and although I have been pain free for 13 years, it wasn't a factor. That's not true for everyone but quitting drinking as a cause? Never heard of that.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #4 on: Aug 7th, 2005, 2:56am » |
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on Aug 7th, 2005, 1:48am, daniel_tn wrote:
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #5 on: Aug 7th, 2005, 8:40pm » |
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I've never had that problem and haven't heard of any one else having it until now.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #6 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 2:14pm » |
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Hi. I think that quitting alcohol could ABSOLUTELY have an effect on CH. Alcohol is a vasodilator. If you were drinking a lot, and your body was used to regular doses of vasodilators and then you stopped, then your body could very well react to those effects. For instance, oxygen is a vasodilator, too, and helps a lot of people with CH.
I know many people here believe alcohol to be a trigger for CH, but really, anything that changes your blood circulation can be triggers that induce CH or can help with CH. It would depend on the person. For instance, caffiene is a vasoconstrictor, but also helps some people with CH.
Sometimes, when there's no definitive answer for certain medical questions, physicians and researchers will state correlations between substances or causes and effects. For instance, if there had been a study done regarding sufferers and their alcohol consumption and certain people have cluster headaches AND also ingest alcohol, those doing the study will state a correlation. That's all. Just a correlation. This means that there may or may not be an effect of CH when you ingest alcohol. This really doesn't mean that those that have CH are triggered by alcohol, although for some, that could be the case. It may mean that a substantial amount of people who have CH consume alcohol. Or, that some alcohol drinkers also have CH. It wouldn't mean that it's a trigger for everyone.
As a matter of fact, if there hasn't been a study done, all the researchers are stating is that there is some evidence to suggest a connection. And, as we can see from all the CH literature on this site and others, that there is, INDEED, a connection. But, there may be some people that are actually helped by alcohol just like there may be some people that find that caffiene could trigger a CH.
Obviously, if you were drinking regularly and never had a ch, and then quit and then now have them, well, that sounds as if there's a connection for you. But, there probably hasn't been a study done regarding this, yet.
And, again, ANYTHING that would effect your blood circulation in the brain could effect CH. Water, for instance, probably works for a lot of people, too, since massive water consumption would effect blood pressure and circulation. This doesn't mean water will work for everyone.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #7 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 2:23pm » |
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So Kendra, what you're saying is that some shyte works and some shyte doesn't...
You're no Columbo!
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PS: Alcohol is a definite trigger for me.. haven't touched it since Nov. 2004.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 2:38pm » |
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:23pm, rextangle wrote:So Kendra, what you're saying is that some shyte works and some shyte doesn't...
You're no Columbo!
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hahah. . .
Actually, what I was saying is that most people here and most sites I've seen seem to believe that alcohol is trigger. Period. What I'm saying is i bet for some people, it would do the exact opposite. Actually help them. That hasn't been discussed on this site or any other site. Some people may have a treatment available without a prescription right in their wetbar.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
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LMAO!
Yep, you're right. Everybody has different triggers... and some shyte works, some shyte doesn't. That goes for triggers, meds, alt. treatments, etc...
We're all different.
From one detective to another,
Cheers!
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #10 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:01pm » |
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:38pm, Kendra wrote:
Some people may have a treatment available without a prescription right in their wetbar.
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Wouldn't THAT be lovely!
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #11 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:06pm » |
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Alcohol is a trigger for me. Last time I drank was July 3rd and I paid for it !
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #12 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:06pm » |
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:41pm, rextangle wrote:LMAO!
Yep, you're right. Everybody has different triggers... and some shyte works, some shyte doesn't. That goes for triggers, meds, alt. treatments, etc...
We're all different.
From one detective to another,
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Even though you are obviously missing the point (being, of course, that alcohol consumption should be addressed as a treatment rather than a trigger only-- as it has been thus far), I do appreciate your willingness to keep attempting to summarize my post. I think, however, you can rest assured that people can draw their own conclusions without your continued assistance. Thank you, though, for your perseverance.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
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Kendra, you are welcome!
PS: Some shyte works, some shyte doesn't!!! LMAO
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 3:06pm, Kendra wrote:
alcohol consumption should be addressed as a treatment rather than a trigger only
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alcohol consumption should be addressed as a treatment rather than a trigger only ...
Ok, thanks unsolved, I'm glad I'm not the only one
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #16 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:29pm » |
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 2:38pm, Kendra wrote:
Actually, what I was saying is that most people here and most sites I've seen seem to believe that alcohol is trigger. Period. What I'm saying is i bet for some people, it would do the exact opposite. Actually help them. That hasn't been discussed on this site or any other site. Some people may have a treatment available without a prescription right in their wetbar.
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This would be like a trip through the looking glass into "wonderland". A place where up means down, black means white and no means yes. What a world that would be, you feel as though you're in cycle and your biggest decision would be either doing a shot of Jack or having it as a Jack and Coke. Instead of prepping for a cycle by stocking up with Oxygen and Red Bull, you'd just go to the store and get a couple cases of Corona and limes. That'd be dandy.
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #17 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:30pm » |
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I thought she was going out on a limb on that one.
that's quite a stretCH.
I think somebody's been hitting the wetbar a little too hard.....
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #18 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:33pm » |
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 3:14pm, unsolved1 wrote:
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Theoretically, it can work for some people since it's a vasodilator just like oxygen. Anything that changes your bp can have an effect. For some, positive, and for some, negative. Uh, Rex, isn't that just what you said in your last two or three posts?
Daniel_tn's headaches didn't begin until a week after he stopped drinking after drinking regularly for a while. I'm glad that those who have discovered it's a trigger don't use it, but it should be looked at as a possible positive thing for some people.
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Kendra after using booze for CH treatment:
IT WORKS!!!!!
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
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i didn't see that
(rex, you were the guy when we were kids that in the midst of a healthy snowball fight, eventually found the big chunk of ice to throw and ended the snowball fight right there weren't you?)
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on Aug 8th, 2005, 3:36pm, seasonalboomer wrote:i didn't see that
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Re: can quitting alcohol cause CH?
« Reply #23 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 3:50pm » |
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funny funny!
Look, all I'm saying (from Daniel_tn's post) is that some people find O2 a benefit and many MDs will prescribe it because there is a chance it could work even though it doesn't work for everyone. Some people will find that some meds work. Subsequently, they are on the list of meds that are prescribed, even though they don't work for everyone. Unless Daniel_tn doesn't know what he's talking about-- and I believe he does-- then, it's possible that quitting drinking, or quitting the equivalent of taking vasodilators-- could trigger CHs.
I think it has merit, even if you don't want to consider it. Anything that changes circulation in the brain could have a positive or negative effect on CHs. Like Rex was so kind to continue to point out, some "shyte" works, and some doesn't. Theoretically, this makes sense. We could just dismiss it out of hand because some people have had adverse reactions, but there may be a whole group of people who might get some type of relief from it (not exactly like that girl in the pic ) who haven't even considered it because of the belief that it will never be helpful. In theory, since it's a vasodilator, it should have a positive effect for some people. That's all I mean. I really am not out to offend anyone's sensibilities. Obviously, many of you have had negative effects. Obviously, enough people have reported negative effects that it's been put on the list of possible triggers. But, this doesn't mean that there aren't some people that it would have a beneficial effect for.
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Ok, when I said some shyte works, some doesn't, I didn't mean to agree with you "Booze should be considered a treatment"... DUH!
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