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Rivea Corymbosa
« on: Jun 8th, 2005, 9:14pm » |
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Got the seeds. I need a little advice.
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My question: crush the seeds and make the tea. Is this like with the HBWR? You have to let it soak for a couple of hours? Or, is it make hot tea, and drink right away?
Can I just eat them? Or might they just pass on through?
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #1 on: Jun 8th, 2005, 10:51pm » |
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Although the guy from Ethnogarden Botanicals told me to crush the entire seeds and make tea, I would crush the entire seeds and rely on the advice on the Clusterbuster's group related to HBWS dosing: soak the material you are going to ingest in water for 2 hours, do not heat.
This is confirmed in an article by Albert Hofmann in 1971:
"Ololiuqui (Rivea corymbosa) was used by the ancient Aztecs not only as a potion but also as an ingredient of magical ointments. At the present time the crushed seeds are taken in water..."
Here's a link to the whole article:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/references/other/1971_hofmann_bul letin-narcotics.shtml#s110
If you don't crush the seeds first they will probably have no effect.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #2 on: Jun 9th, 2005, 11:51pm » |
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Alright.
Began soak this afternoon. Left for the day, planning on a dose tonight.
Got hit while in class at 9.30. Luckily class was getting over.
Got home, took the mixture of 6 crushed seeds in a little water. Drank brownish colored water with seed particles. This was 9.55pm.
By 10.55 I was feeling a heightened level of relaxation. CH was gone. Felt pretty good. No hallucinations.
By 11.45, heightened level of relaxation gone. CH returned.
Now in pain once again.
I think next time I will try more seeds.
What do you all think?
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #3 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 4:15am » |
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I believe you should wait 5 days, 7 days would probably be better and evaluate the pattern that will emerge (getting better or worse). 45 seeds are like a full LSD dose. You might want to bump it up to 10 seeds next time on an empty stomach.
Stay away from imitrex, et als as this will interfere with the treatment. I'm sure others will have additional information/advice for you. This is only my opinion.
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Keep a headache chart. Record the total kip scores for each day. This is done by adding the scores for each of the attacks together to get a total score for each day.
Best plan is to do this whilst on prescription meds, whilst detoxing, whilst detoxed, then whilst treating onceself with hallucinogens. This gives a good almost objective view of what is and is not working. The people that have done this have mostly reported much worse activity for the first 2 weeks of detox, followed by a massive reduction in activity and (surprisingly) less pain that when using the prescription meds.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #5 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 10:51am » |
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That's very encouraging, Casey. It's exactly what I would have expected from a first dose of 6 Rivea seeds. The guy from Ethnogarden Botanicals said there's a 1 to 4 ratio of equivalence between the psychoactive effects of HBW and Rivea seeds, 5 HBW seeds being the same as 20 Rivea seeds.
It's good news because the effects you experienced from 6 seeds shows that you're not hypersensitive to this treatment.
From the success stories I've read about HBW, those people took 2-5 HBW seeds in 2 doses a week apart. It was normal for CH to return shortly after their first dose, as yours did.
Here's what I would do if I were you:
- As Giovanni said, stay off the trex.
- As Flash said, keep a CH chart.
- I would wait 5 days rather than 7 before the second dose because the effects of your first dose were small, so it should be out of your system sooner than 7 days.
- I would take 16-18 seeds as a second dose. 16-18 is 3 times the 6 you took, 16-18 is reportedly equivalent to 4 HBW seeds, and 16-18 is less than half of the 40-45 that's reportedly equivalent to a LSD dose.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #6 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 5:09pm » |
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I'm in total agreement with BikerBob. After my first experience with HBWR my hits and shadows continued for a couple of days after the first dosing but then disappeared. I'm soaking 4 HBWR seeds in cold water right now, (maintenance dose). I ordered the Rivea Corymbosa 2 days ago and will test between 16-20 seeds ground and soaked for a couple of hours in "cold water" in a week or 2. According to Hofmann's studies heating is not necessary.
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I'm a bit confused on the number Rivea corymbosa seeds to take.
Giovanni says that 45 are about equivalent to a full LSD dose. The 16-18 seeds BikerBob talks about would be about a third to a half of a full hit, about the amount needed for cluster busting.
But I've found a source where they offer the seeds in quantities of 20:
P137 Rivea corymbosa / Ololiuqui Samen(seeds) 20 Stk. Fr 12.- ($ 9.50)
I can't imagine that they sell the seeds in quantities needed for a clusterhead. So, could it be that different strains have different LSA content?
The same site offers Hawaiian Baby Woodrose:
P004 Argyreia nervosa, Baby Hawaiian Woodrose Samen(seeds) 5 g Fr 35.- ($ 27.60)
Does anybody know how many HBWR seeds go in 5 g?
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #8 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 6:28pm » |
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Hi Ueli. I bought mine in a quantity of 100 seeds for $15.00 US from Iamshaman.com. I don't know about how many seeds would equal 5g. I would guess that the size would of course make a difference. According to what I've read, 20 seeds or so would be a good place to start for clusterbusting and maybe going down in count from there if it works well. I'll file my report on 20 seeds a week from tomorrow. Blessing's Joe
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #9 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 6:39pm » |
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Ueli, this was my original post to the Clusterbusters on 5/30 that people have been quoting:
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Ethnogarden Botanicals from Canada was one of the vendors at the Mind States conference in San Francisco May 27-29.
They had Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds for sale. I told him about HBWR seeds as a treatment for CH. He said if HBWR seeds work, Rivea Corymbosa seeds should work even better. He said they have the same psychoactive effect as HBWR seeds but none of the side effects of HBWR seeds like nausea and gravity-pull. The Rivea Corymbosa seeds are much smaller than HBWR seeds. They're only about 1/4th the size. There are about 4 times as many of them (looked like more than 200) in a 7g package as there are HBWR seeds in a 7g package. He said 20 Rivea Corymbosa seeds is psychoactively equivalent to 5 HBWR seeds. Instead of opening the seed, scraping out the inside and making tea; you just crush the entire seeds and make tea. He also said don't dose more than 45 seeds at a time because 40-45 is like a full LSD dose. Prices are in Canadian dollars, you can order on-line with major credit cards and they ship worldwide. Here's the link to his website...
http://www.ethnogarden.com
Here's the Rivea Corymbosa seeds page...
http://www.ethnogarden.com/cart/index.pl/catid_77/proid_156
Could this be another "legal" weapon in our arsenal against the beast?
I didn't buy them, but I thought one of you experienced psychonauts might want to do some further research on them. I found that they are also known as "ololiuqui" and found these links...
http://www.erowid.org/plants/ololiuqui/ololiuqui.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/references/other/1971_hofmann_bul letin-narcotics.shtml#s110
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The 7g package of Rivea Corymbosa seeds that I saw from Ethnogarden Botanicals looked like it contained more than 200 seeds.
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I'd go no higher than 12 next time. It's always advisable to exercise caution with hallucinogenic drugs. 12 would be about 1/4 hit. You did right starting with 6 BTW. From this point on never increase the dose by more than 6 at a time. That gives you nice easy steps until you hit the correct dose.
on Jun 10th, 2005, 10:51am, BikerBob wrote:That's very encouraging, Casey. It's exactly what I would have expected from a first dose of 6 Rivea seeds. The guy from Ethnogarden Botanicals said there's a 1 to 4 ratio of equivalence between the psychoactive effects of HBW and Rivea seeds, 5 HBW seeds being the same as 20 Rivea seeds.
It's good news because the effects you experienced from 6 seeds shows that you're not hypersensitive to this treatment.
From the success stories I've read about HBW, those people took 2-5 HBW seeds in 2 doses a week apart. It was normal for CH to return shortly after their first dose, as yours did.
Here's what I would do if I were you:
- As Giovanni said, stay off the trex.
- As Flash said, keep a CH chart.
- I would wait 5 days rather than 7 before the second dose because the effects of your first dose were small, so it should be out of your system sooner than 7 days.
- I would take 16-18 seeds as a second dose. 16-18 is 3 times the 6 you took, 16-18 is reportedly equivalent to 4 HBW seeds, and 16-18 is less than half of the 40-45 that's reportedly equivalent to a LSD dose.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #11 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 9:42pm » |
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on Jun 10th, 2005, 6:16pm, Ueli wrote:Does anybody know how many HBWR seeds go in 5 g?
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40 seeds weighed 5g...
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #12 on: Jun 11th, 2005, 2:25pm » |
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Aloha!
I am in Maui right now, and was going to take another dose today. As per advice, I will wait a couple of more days. Hits have been a bit more frequent and more pronounced since my dose the other night. I really am having a hard time staying away from prescription meds. Especially since I am trying to enjoy vacation.
Though, I do have to say, that since going off my meds I have noticed something. While the meds, especially Imitrex, bring significant relief in the short term, I think that my CH has been less intense since going off all meds. So, I may be getting hit, but it is not as hard. And I feel better too. That's just my experience.
I will report back soon with the experience with my next dose.
Thanks for all of your help and encouragement.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #13 on: Jun 12th, 2005, 3:56pm » |
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The description of Rivea corymbosa seeds on IAmShaman.com says that the shamans in Oaxaca, Mexico, where they are cherished for both their history and shamanic use, would ingest 20-30 seeds to communicate with their spirit world.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #14 on: Jun 13th, 2005, 5:31pm » |
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I've exchanged e-mails with the President of Ethnogarden Botanicals, who I met at the conference a couple weeks ago. He has looked further into Rivea Corymbosa seeds.
I asked him if he knew of a better way to ingest them than crushing the entire seeds and soaking them in water for 2 hours. He wrote "Crushing the seeds and Infusing them in wine for 12-24 hours".
I asked him again about any side effects. He wrote "No negative feedback has been received in this regard, also none of our research group has experienced any either."
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #15 on: Jun 13th, 2005, 7:08pm » |
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Thank you BikerBob for the great additional information...now the question is red or white wine  .
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #16 on: Jun 13th, 2005, 7:54pm » |
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on Jun 13th, 2005, 7:08pm, jokrs2 wrote:now the question is red or white wine .
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I'd go with a fine Chardonnay (white). Red and white should be equal in the infusion process. Red wine is more of a CH trigger than white.
I can imagine the battle of the titans going on in the brain. The beast trying to feed on the wine to trigger a CH and the d-lysergic acid amide kicking his ass !!!!
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #17 on: Jun 21st, 2005, 10:42am » |
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Back from Hawaii, and a quick update.
Tried 12 seeds - Nothing. Didn't even get the feeling of relaxation that I had had previously. Didn't touch my CH.
Tried 18 seeds - Nothing, almost. No detectable feelings of relaxation. No hallucinations at all. My CH, well, the frequency calmed down, and the intensity has waned a bit. Don't know if it is from the seeds, or if it is just my CH being unpredictable.
I will up it to 24 and see what the deal is.
Casey
edited to add - when I said nothing, that means side effects too. No stomach discomfort. No sickness. No anything.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #18 on: Jun 21st, 2005, 11:23am » |
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on Jun 21st, 2005, 10:42am, clarence wrote:Back from Hawaii, and a quick update.
Tried 12 seeds - Nothing. Didn't even get the feeling of relaxation that I had had previously. Didn't touch my CH.
Tried 18 seeds - Nothing, almost. No detectable feelings of relaxation. No hallucinations at all. My CH, well, the frequency calmed down, and the intensity has waned a bit. Don't know if it is from the seeds, or if it is just my CH being unpredictable.
I will up it to 24 and see what the deal is.
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edited to add - when I said nothing, that means side effects too. No stomach discomfort. No sickness. No anything. |
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could be a bad batch of seeds...
what else are you taking?
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #19 on: Jun 21st, 2005, 11:25am » |
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Glad you didn't have any unpleasant side-effects Clarence.
Reading between the lines, it may well be working. What was the time scale between your doses? Your receptors may have been 'shut', which may or may not have had an impact on efficacy(?)
Personally, I'd wait a while to see how things (on the intensity/frequency side) pan out, before upping the dose. Not experienced in LSA, just MHO.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #20 on: Jun 21st, 2005, 11:49am » |
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Hi Casey,
How did you ingest them? Did you crush the seeds and soak them in water for 2 hours? Soak the crushed seeds in wine for 12-24 hours?
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #21 on: Jun 21st, 2005, 1:25pm » |
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Vig - I'm not taking anything else.
Timeline -
1st dose - 6 seeds crushed and soaked in water.
2nd dose - 5 days later - 12 seeds crushed and soaked in water.
3rd dose - 4 days after 2nd - 18 seeds crushed and soaked overnight in water.
I may try again with the wine, but I will up it to at least 24.
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Re: Rivea Corymbosa
« Reply #23 on: Jun 21st, 2005, 11:54pm » |
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on Jun 21st, 2005, 8:46pm, Flash wrote:| Have to say they sound like a really shit batch of seeds. Those are mega doses. |
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Although I agree that a new supplier and new seeds may be different and everyone needs to be careful from batch to batch, this is not a mega-dose IMHO, with the Rivea seeds. I doubt you've seen them flash but they are about the size of poppy seeds you'd find on a loaf of bread. They aren't nearly as potent (per seed) as Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds.
This is always going to be a problem we deal with until "they" finally come out with a prescription pill and even then all dosing problems will not disappear.
Slightly different strengths of shrooms & seeds from batch to batch, supplier to supplier.
That plus the fact that, just as people have different reactions to the same dose of prescription drugs, they will also have different reactions to these.
Some people lose their car keys on 200mg of topamax and some people lose their car, on 50mg.
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Ooops I typed that at 2am and got confused that he was taking HBW... hence my comments. I'll go back and delete it.
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