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shrooms with medicines
« on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 12:59am » |
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Hello everyone, I haven't been here in a while but am still getting chronic cluster headaches. They keep waking me up in the middle of the night and the only thing right now that helps me is the imitrex injection. I'm getting like 5 a day and they won't stop. I've been a chronic sufferer since I was 12 and I'm not 17. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME! I'm crying right now as I'm writing this! I don't know what to do for the pain and putting my family through this who cry for me. What I am coming to now is mushrooms, but I am scared to take them with the medicines I am currenly on. This is what I'm on right now:
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50 mg Lamictal
60 mg Prozac
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30 mg Abilify
25 mg Topomax
and Acutane 3 times a week
Is it safe for me to do shrooms? THANK YOU EVERYONE!
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Re: shrooms with medicines
« Reply #1 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 1:07am » |
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Can't say anything about the safetyness of mixing those meds
but. For the shroom therapy to have a descent chance at working, most of the experts say you'll need to do it med free
That low of a dose of Topo won't do anything 
Lamictal didn't help me. hope you have better luck,
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 1:12am » |
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Get some ice and apply it to the side that hurts, put your face in front of an air conditioner... go back to your doctor and discuss oxygen to abort the headaches. If you are feeling depressed because of the headaches, mention it to your dr, I'm concerned about the Accutane and depression. I don't know what to say about the mushrooms, read up on them first. I've heard they work when you've stopped taking any meds. Read the thread "no longer chronic" by miapet (I think on medications board) Hang in there... 
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 8:55am » |
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Prozac is known to interact with the recreational effects of shrooms so that the shrooms are less effective.(counter-intuitive, but that's what the kiddies say) I'd bet that would also affect the headache treatment. I'm not sure about the other drugs, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some interaction with Abilify too.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 1:11pm » |
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Unfortunately, probably everything you mentioned would render the treatment useless with exception of perhaps the Accutane. Some of these meds might also be dangerous in combination with the treatment.
I take several RX for different medical reasons, and they make the treatment somewhat less effective than they would be without them.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 3:44pm » |
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Thank you for all your replies. But when you say it might be dangerous, what's the worst that can happen to me?
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on Oct 22nd, 2004, 3:44pm, dan182skater wrote:| Thank you for all your replies. But when you say it might be dangerous, what's the worst that can happen to me? |
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I can't speak for John (Giovanni), but some people have reported seizures or seizure-like episodes using recreational doses of shrooms with other drugs (Sorry I don't remember the specific drugs, probably MAOI's). Much more likely would be an unexpectedly intense trip or no effect at all. I haven't heard of anyone dying from an interaction of shrooms and another drug, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 4:11pm » |
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on Oct 22nd, 2004, 3:44pm, dan182skater wrote:| Thank you for all your replies. But when you say it might be dangerous, what's the worst that can happen to me? |
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I doubt there has been any study done including those particular drugs. Start out with a small / tiny dose and work your way up. Only way I know to do it.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 5:27pm » |
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The shroom treatment is very new, and there’s little info on this, and no official research at all. The ClusterBusters have found that prednisone and Imitrex (and probably the other triptans) usually interfere with the treatment. Some think Verapamil may interefere. Others have stayed on verap with little apparent problem. O2 is no problem. Some say O2 works even better while waiting for the shroom treatment to kick out the beast completely.
Lithium is known to enhance the psychedelic effects of indole-ring hallucinogens like psilocybin and LSD. Unknown if it affects the medicinal effcts on clusters.
I think I heard something about dangersous interaction with MAOIs. Not sure if there’s any evidence of this or whether this is based on the theory that MAOIs together with other drugs acting on serotonin (such as Imitrex!) can cause a dangerous build-up of serotonin. But I’m not sure I know what I’m talking about.
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Re: shrooms with medicines
« Reply #9 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 5:27pm » |
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Ok, thank you everyone, Im going to start with a small dosage. Is 1/8 considered small?
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 6:33pm » |
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on Oct 22nd, 2004, 5:27pm, dan182skater wrote:| Ok, thank you everyone, Im going to start with a small dosage. Is 1/8 considered small? |
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If you mean 1/8 ounce, NOOOO!!! Thats's huge. 1/8 ounce is about 3.5g. If I were you I would start less than 0.5g. The prozac may mess you up so you need much more. Many shroomers stop taking it a few days or a week before dosing. I don't know if your situation will allow that. Inform yourself before you do this. Study
http://www.clusterbusters.com/ and check out http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml if you haven't already. Remember that the erowid site is about recreational use and may not always apply to Ch, but it gives some good information. Be careful. I hope it works for you.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 7:02pm » |
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fresh or dried?
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 22nd, 2004, 7:03pm » |
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on Oct 22nd, 2004, 5:27pm, tommyD wrote:I think I heard something about dangersous interaction with MAOIs. Not sure if there’s any evidence of this or whether this is based on the theory that MAOIs together with other drugs acting on serotonin (such as Imitrex!) can cause a dangerous build-up of serotonin. But I’m not sure I know what I’m talking about.
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I'll try to fill in for Floridian until he gets back. You are talking about serotonin syndrome.
Quote:| The symptoms of the serotonin syndrome are: euphoria, drowsiness, sustained rapid eye movement, overreaction of the reflexes, rapid muscle contraction and relaxation in the ankle causing abnormal movements of the foot, clumsiness, restlessness, feeling drunk and dizzy, muscle contraction and relaxation in the jaw, sweating, intoxication, muscle twitching, rigidity, high body temperature, mental status changes were frequent (including confusion and hypomania - a "happy drunk" state), shivering, diarrhea, loss of consciousness and death. |
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(The Serotonin Syndrome, AM J PSYCHIATRY, June 1991)
Serotonin syndrome may be linked to SSRI's, but I haven't heard of it occuring with shrooms. Sorry Floridian.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 23rd, 2004, 7:37am » |
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Okay, Now I know I don't know what I'm talking about. SSRI = Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, not MAOI, which is some other kind of Inhibitor - Monoamine Oxidase or something. Duh.
Anyway, thanks JJA for straightening that out.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 23rd, 2004, 11:33am » |
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My 2cents . . .starting with the .5g, if wet, would be like 1/25th of a dose . . .and, I would guess, little to no feeling of anything . .. BUT, probably enough to muck up the receptors, so you wouldn't be able to dose again for probably another 5 days.
I think I read somewhere, too, that narcotics block or effect the efficacy of the treatment.
IF you are taking all of the above meds for CH ONLY .. .then maybe you could talk with your doc, and consider tapering down on some of them? I mean, the Topomax is a really low dose and, correct me if I'm wrong guys and girls, I haven't heard a lot of people having any luck with topo, other than to be doped (hence the nick: dopeymax) . . .
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 23rd, 2004, 11:57pm » |
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If I remember correctly I tried 4mg of dried shrooms all at one time. I was currently taking geodon(antiphycotic), effexor (high dose of antidepressent), topamax(med dose (200mg), and lithium (900mg). I had a mild to pretty nice trip and was pain free for about 5 months. However, I tried it after that and had no luck with it. Never had the guts to try it again. I can't go off the mental meds and at the time I couldn't go off the seizure meds either. Such luck. 
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 24th, 2004, 9:34am » |
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on Oct 23rd, 2004, 11:33am, miapet wrote:| BUT, probably enough to muck up the receptors, so you wouldn't be able to dose again for probably another 5 days. |
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This may not be the case. Taking more frequently than 5 day intervals reduces the trippy side effects but the treatment still appears to be effective.
Several people have recently had success with taking 2-3 very small doses each day for a couple of weeks. These were people for whom the regular big bang dose every 5 days didn't work.
The benefit with the smaller doses is that it results in negligible trippy side effects, and less overall stress on the mind and body.
I suspect that Prozac may not be a good mixer with shrooms, so in your circumstances I would not take both at the same time.
It should also be noted that taking ergotamine (in any form) or methysergide along with shrooms may be positively dangerous and should be avoided.
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 24th, 2004, 11:17am » |
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Flash,
I get so confused with uptake etc . . .maybe the larger doses are what block the receptors (fill them up, so to speak)? and the smaller doses allow the receptors to still accept the 'medication'?
Sorry for 'mucking up' the waters on this thread *G*
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