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All medicaments that work as Vasoconstrictors are a dangerous drugs. In some patients even in small quantity they are dangerous,,,,Why??/
Because in migraine headache stage, there are a vasodilatation in arteries extra cranial, which cause the headache,,,,,they think that vasodilatation occur also intracranial arteries, and they give you such drugs to make your arteries much smaller and then less blood go in this arteries.
The true is in the brain arteries occur vasoconstriction not vasodilatation, and this vasoconstriction become more dangerous only when you take a vasoconstrictions drugs such ergotamine, triptan family.
What prove that is the MRI imagine of brain lesion is a small infarcts.
When we talk about side effects, which mean it occur rarely.
patients can see the chemical structure of their medicaments, if it has in his components any word of triptan that mean this is a very dangerous medicaments for all kinds of migraine, cluster headaches, not only BAM.
They can be deferent's as rizatriptan, naratriptan, zolmitriptan and others,,,
Vasoconstaction occur in Aura stage in extra cranial and intra cranial arteries, but vasodilatation (pain stage) occur only in arteries extra cranial, while vasoconstriction continue in all the time of migraine attack in arteries intra cranial (meddle meningeal artery, basilar artery and others).
Vasodilatation occurs only in extra cranial arteries. The dangerous thing that they told you take these drugs in the beginning of the migraine attack. This thing make the vasoconstriction be bigger, so the ischemia occur in the small arteries cause small infarcts in brain, heart, and the dangerous effects for pregnant women's (matrix lesions).
I happy to answer any patients or doctor, but people that do a promotion for this dangerous drugs, please thing first, and read the instruction inside the drugs box it told you the dangerous of these vasoconstriction drugs.
Vasoconstruction of intra cranial arteries (involve in migraine attack) cause less blood in the brain tissue, this make the tissue work bad, so they give the accompanied symptoms such in case of basilar artery (speech difficult, ataxia, etc), in arteries located in visual area of the brain, visual symptoms, or in arteries located in sensitive area, sensitive symptoms, or in locomotors area locomotors symptoms,,,,,etc.
They can't find until now the cure for migraine because they thing wrong that vasodilatation occur also inside the brain.
All brain lesions in migraine patients caused by ergotamine, triptans family.
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Re: triptans side effects
« Reply #1 on: Sep 14th, 2004, 8:12am » |
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Imitrex can stop a cluster headache. Some people do not take Imitrex though, but it has been very safe for many people, as far as medications for clusters go. It stops a cluster headache and is relatively safe, it is one of the most useful and appreciated medications on the planet for clusters. When a cluster hits, I have no second thoughts, haven't for many years, about using Imitrex. Side effects have been very minimal with long term use.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 14th, 2004, 8:31am » |
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uhhh, what Kevin said.
I use it when I need it and never give it a second thought (unless i've already done 10 injections of Imitrex in one day).
You'd have to pry the Trex out of my cold dead hand bacause I'll never willingly give it up. It's my only relief from cluster hell !
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 14th, 2004, 12:43pm » |
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I, too am an Imitrex user. Actually a Trex Monster. Nothing made me happier the other day when looking through the linen closet and coming across a Stat pack that I forgot about...like finding gold! I've been using it for years and have had no ill effects, other than using it on a sinus headache by mistake. Will never do that again! When I had my last MRI, I was having a CH and couldn't get meds in quick enough. You should have seen the vein that came through on the MRI, looked like a worm or something! Freaked the hell out of me, especially when the Tech circled it in red and put a question mark next to it. Couldn't get to the neuro the next day fast enough to see what the hell was going on!
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 14th, 2004, 12:58pm » |
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Other than the well known fact that there can be some danger to using triptans, was there some other point to this post that I missed?
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 14th, 2004, 5:01pm » |
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on Sep 14th, 2004, 7:41am, lisaa wrote:| They can't find until now the cure for migraine |
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There's a cure for migraine we've missed?
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 7:06am » |
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 7:51am » |
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on Sep 15th, 2004, 7:06am, lisaa wrote:| Search the internet well and you can find it. |
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Why can't you just tell us...
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 1:08pm » |
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 2:23pm » |
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on Sep 15th, 2004, 7:06am, lisaa wrote:| Search the internet well and you can find it. |
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OK ... End of discussion as far as I am concerned. Thanks, for nothing. 
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 4:10pm » |
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First;
Can some one explaine what is the different betweem migraine and CH, not by symptoms, because as you know migraine has too many differents symptoms, but the differents in what happen in both disease.
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on Sep 15th, 2004, 4:10pm, lisaa wrote:First;
Can some one explaine what is the different betweem migraine and CH, not by symptoms, because as you know migraine has too many differents symptoms, but the differents in what happen in both disease.
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Please clarify.... What specifically are you asking?
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 6:22pm » |
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on Sep 15th, 2004, 4:10pm, lisaa wrote:First;
Can some one explaine what is the different betweem migraine and CH, not by symptoms, because as you know migraine has too many differents symptoms, but the differents in what happen in both disease.
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If you don't know, why are you here?
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on Sep 15th, 2004, 4:14pm, E-Double wrote:
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.........asking for your credit card number. 
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 16th, 2004, 9:24am » |
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So lisaa - you actually know f--k all about CH!
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 16th, 2004, 11:55am » |
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Yepper, Imitrex is not good for the body. CH is not good for the feeling. Verapamil aint good either. Dayumm-------nothing is good. With the pains I get in my head, the shotgun in my mouth looks pretty good.
I have weighed the options more times than I can count. I have had teeth extracted. Nothing helps when in mid cycle. I give thanks to those "bad drugs" to get me over the pain behind my eye.
If anyone can come up with a cure for CH, I would almost give the farm away for the answer. But I choose to use the pain stopping "bad drugs" till that happens.
The discovery of welders oxygen (although not filtered) has been a life saver. The will to live is a blessing. I dont care how bad those "bad drugs" are gonna effect my older years, Im gonna use them if they are avaible.
Life is a terminal disease. I choose to live it as pain free as possible. If you have a cure for CH, please tell me. Otherwise, please expain in non-medical terms (so I can try and understand) if the shotgun will be more benificial to me than the alternatives you have not mentioned.
Please do not tell me what is bad for my life. Tell me what is good. Give me alternatives that I can try. Your post is pretty good, and worth reading, but it does not give any alternatives. Besides, I cant understand most of that medical jargon anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 16th, 2004, 2:08pm » |
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Biker;
Tell me what about pressure points 1, 2, 3. for CH. www.migrainesurgery.8m.net
I know that many in this site will be angry when they will read this.....
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on Sep 16th, 2004, 2:08pm, lisaa wrote:Biker;
Tell me what about pressure points 1, 2, 3. for CH. www.migrainesurgery.8m.net
I know that many in this site will be angry when they will read this.....
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Ok, this is the last time I am going to post on this board, so listen up. This guy is a quack, we all know who he is. If you are his schill, you can quietly go up and hit the "log out button" and never come back.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 16th, 2004, 2:28pm » |
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I presume the reason he made up a new name was because he already knows what would happen.
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Great! I can save them up for your next appearance!
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 17th, 2004, 8:18am » |
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on Sep 15th, 2004, 7:06am, lisaa wrote:| Search the internet well and you can find it. |
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I think Lisaa has a degree in B.S.! Another one trying to lead us into bad information. I feel that if they can't share it on message board they do not need to post.....Oh also there isn't a cure for migraines or clusters! 
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 18th, 2004, 2:01pm » |
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Now that is very funny indeed
Quoted from the link Ali posted himself:
"The technique was presented at a meeting of the American Association of Neurological Surgeons in San Diego last year, but several peer-reviewed medical journals have refused to publish Sultaneh's findings. Syria's medical establishment has also criticized his work, and Sultaneh says he now performs the operation on his own, with no outside backing.
But migraine expert Seymour Diamond, MD, says Sultaneh's surgery is probably no more effective than a host of other surgical approaches that have been tried over the years. He adds that the neurosurgeon has provided no follow-up on the patients who have had the surgery, so it is not clear how safe and effective it is. Diamond is director of the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago.
"We have learned in recent years that migraines occur in the deep blood vessels that surround the brain and within the brain, not on the superficial scalp arteries that [Sultaneh] is talking about," Diamond says. "This dubious surgical approach just doesn't match what we know happens with these headaches."
He says any benefit from the surgery, and from the neurosurgeon's pressure point self-treatment technique, can likely be chalked up to a placebo effect.
"I have been around for a long time, and every so often a neurosurgeon will come along with a fantastic cure," he says. "But there is no surgical cure for migraines."
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Thanks Ali for providing the evidence against you, saves us the effort. LMAO 
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 18th, 2004, 2:13pm » |
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Because he thinks that brain arteries participate in headache stage of migraine cluster disease, he and all nurses like him will never find any cure for migraine, cluster diseases.
The results after my surgery is 100% and even (XXX) know that placebo effect can’t be 100%.
Oh, I know well the history of the surgical treatment of migraine, cluster headaches, and no one before me said that only extra cranial arteries give the migraine, cluster headaches.
Also no one determine the places 1 and 3.
Its true, and I know how it’s hard to believe but future will responded you.
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