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Back from shroomy world
« on: Jul 15th, 2004, 11:30am » |
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This is my first visit back on CH.com in a few months (gave up my home internet service, grad. school kicking my ass along with new cycle, etc...). Anyway, I just thought I would report on my recent adventures with the alternative treatments from my garden.
Background: a new cycle started around the middle of May after approx. 2 mos of wonderful PF time and no meds. This is now the second year in a row that I have had a third or middle of the year cycle (normally only early spring and fall).
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1. My first dose was on June 2nd (Wed.). I made a tea out of 2g of dried PC (Ecuador). This was the first time I had ever used shrooms and it was actually a pretty mind opening experience. Maybe a level 2-3. Killed all shadows from earlier hits that day. The following 4 days I had shadows at very odd times of the day and night--not my usual schedule. On the 5th day I got rocked at 2am--also not my usual.
2. June 7th (Mon.) Decided to go for the 2nd dose after some reading and learning it may take up to 5 doses to break cycle. This time only 1g in a tea. Level 1-2. This time I was PF for 3 days and started getting hit every morning at 2am (KP 7). No sleep is really killing me during the day.
3. I will kill this bastard . Third dose on June 12th (Sat.). Decided to go back up to 2g in tea. Level 2--overall not a bad experince. PF for about 1 day and bam they're back--but the intensity is definitely decreasing, KP 4/5.
4. I think I have pissed the beast off and will try again. On June 18th (Fri.) I decided to use 2g again. Holy F^*@!N Shit. Really bad trip. Maybe a level 3+ or low level 4 based on the descriptions. Got hit first thing in the morning around 7am, KP 4/5 again. Shadows for a few days and then I got nailed on day 4 (KP 7).  .
5. One more time on June 23 rd (Wed.). Although this time I was little apprehensive and decided to go back to 1g in tea. Not bad--elevated feelings of depression and helplessness. Really need this to work. Life is wonderful once again. PF until about the 7th of July when shadows began. On the 8th a KP 3/4.
6. I must keep the bastard repressed. 6th dose on July 9th (Fri.). Decided to go even lower this time because of recent experiences. 0.5 g in tea. Level 1+. Man these things are either really strong or my tolerence is decreasing. Shadows from earlier are gone. However, an hour after the last of the buzz was gone I was nailed with a KP 8/9. Man that hurt. Hangover effects and shadows the next day. PF the following day and counting. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Hope this helps some others. I'm still hoping that things breaks soon. Anyone with similar experiences/suggestions?
~Thorns
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #1 on: Jul 15th, 2004, 11:38am » |
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on Jul 15th, 2004, 11:30am, Thorns wrote:Hope this helps some others. I'm still hoping that things breaks soon. Anyone with similar experiences/suggestions?
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Speaking from complete ignorance here... Were you detoxed from meds prior to dosing?
Someone with experience will reply to you soon.
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #2 on: Jul 15th, 2004, 1:51pm » |
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Sorry if this is going to sound quick/terse since but I'm trying to pack to get out of here and go up north where the fish are waiting. I wanted to welcome yo uback though and thank you for posting the detailed info. It helps everyone very much.
The differences in potency can be attributed to many different things.
When you ate last prior to dosing....should wait at least two hours.
What you ate or what you took them with.....no fatty foods...dairy products....peanut butter etc...
Other medications that were in your system may have either blocked some effects or made them more intense.
Check the clusterbusters FAQ for a list of things that make you go WOW.
That said, I think you should give it all a rest and see where things settle in. Could be that you just had one or two stray attacks at the end that may have just faded away had you waited a couple more days. I'd try to at least go 7 days and see if things are getting better (hold off longer) or worse (take a "small" dose)
Worse would mean getting more activity, harder to treat and longer/more intense as time goes on.
Keep a log and if each day adds up to less activity....they should just fade away.
Redosing too soon and with too large a dose may just upset the applecart and put you back a bit. It takes a little while sometimes for things to settle back into a balanced state.
good luck...I'll check back in a few days
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #3 on: Jul 16th, 2004, 7:44am » |
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In my opinion 2g is too much. Stick to small doses and give a week to settle down each time. It's a balancing act. The good news is that at 1 point you week 2 weeks PF... that's not bad.
If you are finding the effects unpleasant, then here is a plan. Nobody had tried it yet, so you have the opportunity to be a pioneer. Every aspect of this plan is important, so if you decide to try this then read it carefully. Only do this if you start to get hit again BTW - it sounds to me like you might have it licked already:
1) Ensure you sleep no more than 7 hours a night. Go to your bed and 11/12pm and rise and 6/7am. Never sleep during the day - even if CH has fucked around with you all night.
2) On rising immediately drink 500ml of water, and consume 0.25g of shrooms. NOTE - you'll need some digital scales to get the dose right. Do NOT exceed this dose!!!
3) Immediately after the water and shrooms, perfrom 20mins of LIGHT - MED execise. A brisk walk will do. Just enough to build up a light sweat. The purpose of this is to kick start your metabolism. I suspect that priming ones metabolism can act to shorten the episode.
4) Immeditely after exercising take a shower.
5) Eat a snack/small meal and drink 250ml of water.
6) Now we come to the repetitive part. You must eat a small snack or light meal with 250ml pint of water every 3 hours. BUT 30mins prior to meals 3 (mid afternoon) and 6 (bedtime) cosume another 0.25g of shrooms.
AVOID alcohol. DO NOT eat anything high in salt.
The purpose of this regime are as follows:
CH gets worse the more you aggrivate it.
We consume neurotransmitters when we sleep. Over sleeping causes excess consumption and therefore aggrivates CH.
Since the hypothalamus is implicated, it is important to operate like clockwork, therefore sleep must be very regular. Even if you get hit hard at night, console yourself that lack of sleep will help... but it's not a longterm solution.
The waterx3 treatment probably works because it dilutes the salt in the body - this is dangerous, so I prefer to aim for just running slightly on the lean side.
The exercise will raise you metabolism to several times it's normal level. Doing exercise first thing in the morning should keep it elevated for the rest of the day. An elevated metabolism should speed up the production of neuro transmitters and therefore balance out your brain chemistry sooner.
Most people have experienced CH attacks when they skip a meal or go hungry. The same can occur when someone over eats. The aim is to avoid these by eating 6 small meals 3 hours apart. Try and not eat more than you would in totaly on a normal day though. A small meal can be as simple as half a banana spread on a slice of toast.
Using 0.25g doses of shrooms should avoid all the unpleasant side effects, at worst you may feel a little dozy, very slightly buzzed, or a little giggly, but this effect is likely to dimish completely after the first day. Subsequent days the shrooms should have no noticable effect, other than on your CH. The idea is that your body will become used to the presence of the psilocybin, therfore eliminating all side effects, but the constant small doses will ensure that your receptors remain saturated. Dosing 3x each day should keep you relatively CH free, thus any irritation should subside. The doses are timed 30mins prior to meals in order to ensure your body absorbs all the psilocybin.
Keep on this regime for 1 week, and hopefully that should do the trick. No data exists for ingesting psilocybin in this way, but these are very small quantities so and people take serontonin and melatonin on a daily basis to treat CH so my guess is this should be relatively safe - certainly safer than taking 3g at once.
At the end of the week, I'd suggest a little taper over 3 days, ceasing the mid afternoon dose first, then the morning dose the next day, then finally the bedtime dose on day 3.
Please keep us informed should you elect to embark on this regime. Keep a kip diary. This means adding the kips of all your attacks into a daily total. That way we can graph you progress.
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #4 on: Jul 16th, 2004, 6:59pm » |
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on Jul 15th, 2004, 11:38am, Prense wrote:Speaking from complete ignorance here... Were you detoxed from meds prior to dosing?
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Yes, I haven't been on any meds for the two months leading up to this cycle.
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #5 on: Jul 16th, 2004, 7:18pm » |
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on Jul 15th, 2004, 1:51pm, Pinkfloyd wrote:The differences in potency can be attributed to many different things.
When you ate last prior to dosing....should wait at least two hours. What you ate or what you took them with.....no fatty foods...dairy products....peanut butter etc...Other medications that were in your system may have either blocked some effects or made them more intense. Check the clusterbusters FAQ for a list of things that make you go WOW. |
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Thanks for the feedback. Before my first dose I did extensive 'researching' around the clusterbusters site. I have made sure that each time I dose I have had nothing to eat at least 90 min. before and after (it is usually more like 4 hours before)--I find the effects hit sooner and therefore the experience is over quicker).
I do think I have definitely upset the norm in my cycle. I was PF until yesterday (the 6th day) and I got a medium hit (maybe a KP 4 for about 45 min.). We'll see how the rest of the week goes. I will be out of town for the next week so I can't really dose anyway and I can't check the board.
Flash--I think I might give this a try if I haven't killed the beast yet. My feeling is he's packing up until Oct. An interesting note though, a majority of the shadows and attacks in between doses have come when I missed my normal dinner time by about an hour or two. I have definitely tried to keep a regular sleep schedule except for the 2 am wake up calls in the beginning. I'll check back in next week. Thanks again P-floyd and Flash-- I was hoping you guys would post on this.
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #6 on: Jul 24th, 2004, 3:10pm » |
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I'm back from vacation in Lewes, Delaware and I haven't dosed since the last time (9th). I have been having some very weird and short attacks that come right when I normally wake up every day since the last attack--like a painful alarm clock in my head. They last about 15 minutes and are a very low KP. I can usually knock it out with some coffee and ice on the back of my neck. And occassionally around 8 pm the same thing. My thinking was that this is the end/break of the cycle. However, this morning I had a low KP wake me up around 4 and didn't subside until 1 pm today. I've never had any of my attacks last this long--although it was very mild (KP1-2 at times).
I think I may give it a few more days. Any clusterbusters out there with advice or similar experiences near the end?
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #7 on: Jul 25th, 2004, 12:56am » |
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on Jul 24th, 2004, 3:10pm, Thorns wrote:However, this morning I had a low KP wake me up around 4 and didn't subside until 1 pm today. I've never had any of my attacks last this long--although it was very mild (KP1-2 at times).
I think I may give it a few more days. Any clusterbusters out there with advice or similar experiences near the end?
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I've had a couple of those "extended" ones near the end of cycles. It could be the changes you're seeing are sign they are about to disappear.
I'd give it a couple more days unless things begin to ramp up.
Some people have used a dose to knock out the remnants of the cycle. Not wanting to wait any longer once they see the light at the end of the tunnel.
The next day or two after that extended one should give you a good indication of whats needed, or not needed.
PF
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #8 on: Jul 25th, 2004, 1:54am » |
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on Jul 24th, 2004, 3:10pm, Thorns wrote: this morning I had a low KP wake me up around 4 and didn't subside until 1 pm today. I've never had any of my attacks last this long--although it was very mild (KP1-2 at times).
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This is the same thing Imitrex did for me at the end of my last cycle. I'd never had these lingering all day low-kip shadow/headaches before.* It's anyone's guess, but I'd say you are at the end of a cycle, and obviously the mushrooms are having an effect.
*It was about this time I got some mushrooms, which finally loosened the beast's grip. A nasty shadow came back in about a week, and I dosed again to get rid of it for good.
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #9 on: Jul 26th, 2004, 1:24pm » |
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Sunday was completely clear and PF  . Today isn't too bad either. Keepn' my fingers crossed. If this is the end of this cycle when should I take a maintenance dose and how much? I usually get a fall cycle around the middle to end of October. Thanks,
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #10 on: Jul 26th, 2004, 2:20pm » |
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Just wanted to say hi Thorns. Glad to hear Sunday was PF - hope this is the end of the tunnel for you.
My limited experience - don't mention 'maintenance' until you're sure she's left (the beast that is )
Best of luck with it.
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #11 on: Jul 27th, 2004, 12:17am » |
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on Jul 26th, 2004, 1:24pm, Thorns wrote: If this is the end of this cycle when should I take a maintenance dose and how much? I usually get a fall cycle around the middle to end of October. Thanks,
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shhhhh.... 
ask again around the end of august and let us know how you've been doing.
Just be prepared so you don't get caught off guard and you have to wait weeks for supplies.
be well
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Re: Back from shroomy world
« Reply #12 on: Jul 27th, 2004, 10:45am » |
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Man you guys should have warned me before hand 
I got hit twice within the last 24 hours. However, still mild and short attacks. Once last night at my usual time around 11 and then again as an alarm clock this morning around 8. Still not sure what to do. I think I will hold off until this weekend and maybe do a really light dose if this continues.
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Luckily, I've barely even touched my stash thanks to the casing method--I believe suggested by Flash and others--I ended up with more than I can handle. Anyway, thanks for the advice and I'll keep you guys updated.
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