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Shroom advice please
« on: Jun 27th, 2004, 11:15am » |
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Hi all
After careful planning, with the help from people here and clusterbusters of course, I was was able to take my first dosage of alternative medication today. I sourced 30g of fresh mushrooms via the internet (thanks flash) and made a 12g tea which I consumed over a 30 minute period. The well-documented side effects weren't exactly pleasant but were manageable - I still feel a little 'fuzzy' so sorry if this goes off-track a bit.
I took the medication when I was shadowing and the shadow appeard to be aborted after 20 minutes. The whole 'experience' lasted about 4 hours and then the shadow returned after 15 minutes and went full-blown (K 4/5) which I aborted with O2. Incidentally, this attack was about an hour after its normal scheduled time. I'm now waiting to see what happens with the night time attack(s).
So, 2 questions if you don't mind. Should I wait and see what happens before dosing again (I've read it can get worse before it gets better and I know about the door-shutting thing), and if I do have to dose again, will the mushrooms I still have left in the fridge be effective in 5 days time?
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Sorry to be short but, yes, yes 
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #2 on: Jun 27th, 2004, 9:37pm » |
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on Jun 27th, 2004, 1:35pm, forgetfulnot wrote:Sorry to be short but, yes, yes
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It always takes fewer words to speak the truth than to lie or make something up. 
Days 4 and 5 after the dose will tell you the most about how effective the first dose was....and they will wait for you.
good luck....ask any questions that come up...
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #3 on: Jun 29th, 2004, 3:30am » |
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Thanks for the brevity (and honesty).
Had a single wake-me-up humdinger the night of dosing, but PF all day yesterday  Still feel a bit fuzzy though. Will report back after day 4/5.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #4 on: Jun 29th, 2004, 5:15pm » |
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We believe . . .*smiles*
*positive light and energy*
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #5 on: Jul 2nd, 2004, 7:25am » |
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Thanks D/Miapet - I've been reading of your success and long may it continue.
So its been 5 days since I first dosed.Prior to dosing I was a chronic averaging 2 hits a day. Since dosing -
Day 1: 2 hits as standard
Day 2: PF
Day 3: 1 hit
Day 4: 1 mild hit
Day 5: nothing yet
So somethings working. The day 4 hit (yesterday)was weird. Only a K 3/4 but at 10.30pm. I checked my ha diary and that was a first in my book.
So to the experts. Should I dose again or leave it a while?
Thanks as ever
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #6 on: Jul 2nd, 2004, 10:21am » |
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Lee, thanks! We're going for the continued success too *g*
*YAY* We're glad you're seeing improvements in your h/a!!! keep up with your h/a journal, it is the key to how well you are doing. .they really tell the story for us!
As for when to dose . . .I'm the jump in with both feet member of our household *L* . . .but the wonderful support we received from clusterbusters kept me reigned in *L* . . .They kept telling me things like: He's doing better, give things time to settle down *smiles* . and you know what?? They were right!!! *g*
Anyway . . .*happy dances* enjoy the blissful days and nights *smiles*
*positive light and energy*
D/miapet
EDIT: oops!! hahahaha, I'm logged in on D's name *L* . .it's me . .mia *L*
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #7 on: Jul 2nd, 2004, 10:27am » |
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on Jul 2nd, 2004, 7:25am, LeeS wrote:So to the experts. Should I dose again or leave it a while?
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Well.....
1. It is possible they will just continue to fade away from the one dose.
2. It is possible you will need another dose.
3. Today may give you a better idea of whether you'll need another dose.
4. Taking another dose might return you to something close to the cluster activity you described over the 5 days following dose number 1.
That wouldn't necessarily indicate a bad thing. Just that you might still get some activity and I didn't want you to think you'd messed up by taking a 2nd dose.
That all said....I'd wait to see how today goes. If you get a hit that seems to be stronger or longer than day 4, I'd dose again, maybe with a little less than the first. 10g fresh?
If todays activity is less and they continue to fade away....then you can donate those remaining shrooms to charity.
If they haven't gone away and have sort of leveled off, I'd dose again before the shrooms go bad. Keep an eye on them.
I know there isn't a definative answer there but I hope it helps a little.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #8 on: Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:21am » |
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Thanks for your support miapet 
Thanks PF. Today still no hit - just missed my 'normal' 3.00pm hit. Wondering if I'll get the 'abnormal' 10.30pm one again tonight?Think i'll wait and see what happens tonight and over the weekend (I'd rather not dose again at all- didn't enjoy it one bit - but I've gone this far so WTF). Feelin positive anyway.
I'll buy some more shrooms if these go off (realise how lucky we are over here)but if anyone is in W London and needs em, i'll donate . Might even buy some of those philosophers stones if i do need to - can you mix and match these things?
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #9 on: Jul 2nd, 2004, 12:26pm » |
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on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:21am, LeeS wrote: Might even buy some of those philosophers stones if i do need to - can you mix and match these things?
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Sure, they can be mixed and matched but I would advise against it at this point. There are differences in strengths from one to another species and there can be differences in strengths from one batch to the next of even the same species.
You're better off staying with what you have, and "know" so you can make adjustments.
If these were to go bad and you needed to prder more, I'd stay with the same type you have. psilocybin/gram should still be relatively close so you can adjust up or down on the next dose strength.
Once a cycle has been broken and you're just looking to supply your next maintenance dose, you can try different flavours.
Good Luck...Hopefully you'll be celebrating a weekend of freedom and independance just like us americans.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #10 on: Jul 2nd, 2004, 1:38pm » |
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Oh shit, forgot about July 4th - sorry.Hope you all have a good one.
Sound info again PF thanks - you deserve a bloody medal. Difficult to express this but I know theres something good happening in my head, like the beast is withering away, just dragging his claws a little bit, but he can't get a grip. As we say over here - funny ole game innit.
Actually i'm looking forward to the weekend which is normally a badder than bad time for me.
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Wait and see. If the headaches get worse then dose again. You are at the critical point, they are either going to clear up altogether or get worse.
Have you tried the skullcap? This makes things much more pleasant.
Although the general consensus is to go for light medium sided doses, I personally find that even very small doses are effective... and I've been using hallucinogenics to treat CH for 11 years.
Until recently the general concensus was to hit it hard, and keep on hitting it until it went away. I disagreed with that approach. Recently people have realised that using the treatment in that way causes ~5 days upset to the CH, where everything is pretty much up in the air. Continued hard dosing week after week just prolonges the time it takes to kill the CH. If I recall correctly PF fell victem to that a couple of years back.
I have had relief from as little as the equivalent of 0.5g dried. I now suspect that it may be possible to treat CH with even smaller doses (but unless my CH breaks through I won't get a chance to test this).
The treatment usually does me 15 months. Now this is the wierd thing, and it contradicts most of what I've recently posted on the mechanisms of CH and this treatment. You see my episodes still arrive bang on schedule, only most of them I don't feel. The one I am in right now arrived slap bang on time during the 15th month. I know from experience that had it arrived after the 15th month I'd have experienced full on CH. However as it stands all I've had for the last 2 weeks is shadows, going up to max kip 2 a couple of times for a short time period. So according to my actual experience the CH episodes are not postponed by the treatment, they do in fact continue to fall slap bang on their usual dates. It's just that the treatment provides some sort of umbrella cover, and my umbrella is good for 15 months.
I suspect that dosing the equivalent of 0.25g dried in the morning, 8 hours later, and bedtime, every day during symtomatic times may be just as effective at terminating an episode. This is just a hunch though.
Whatever you do, restrict your sleeping to 7 hours max until he CH stops. Hopefully the shrooms will turn you episodic, and that's much easier to treat and cope with.
Although shrooms can't cure CH, they have a great record at turning chronics episodic.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #12 on: Jul 3rd, 2004, 9:04pm » |
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Re: Question one.
If this testimonial is helpful…please accept it as a positive offering.
I thoroughly understand how some sufferers categorically sweep aside the potential therapeutic value of psilocybin. If it had not been for the super support of ‘miapet’ the second dose would never have happened for me. She understands me better than any living human being on this planet, and she has an incredible grasp of the structure, dynamics, and sociological effects of clusterheadaches.
This is my experience, my perception of the three doses of psilocybin treatment, I hope it is helpful.
Dose # 1. No discontinuation of headaches for the first five days, (very discouraging for me)… in fact, anxiety set in with an overwhelming sense of doom. Miapet had to literally hand walk me into acceptance that each of us were unique and special, and that it might takes something more for mine. I had a couple days pain free, then wham, a day or two of more and so on until the next dose.
Dose #2. Still no significant discontinuation of headache for the next five days (long excruciating days)… Then suddenly a few days of pain free with one or two days of mild k-4 – k-6 type onsets with oxygen as my only abortive. These headaches were way easier to deal with than what I was dealing with prior to psilocybin.
(Then the pain free day counting turned into a daily ritual for me… still counting, going on eight ( weeks.)
Dose #3. Anxiety raised its ugly head once again. My argument was: “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it…” No headaches after dosing…(it is now day three after this dose). To early to tell what to expect. I am just going to ride the tide on this one…and accept whatever the ultimate outcome is while continuing with the plan to see this through to the end. I firmly believe in this alternative treatment.
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I have forgotten when precisely day one was??? You’d think I would at least make that day a personal holiday for myself!!! Maybe miapet remembers?
Additionally it was about day four of pain free days after the second dose that I realized something was going on and it was for once in my favor.
Hope that helps?
Flash – Question?
Your post made me ask miapet to sit down with me and help me understand something here. This is what I told her:
“Maybe I should not say I am ‘no longer chronic’? Maybe I still am and my brain just does not know it? I cannot accept that, we have to have hope, I have to believe there is a way and I am no longer chronic.”
Some sort of transmitter fires an impulse off to initiate the onset of headache, then in a millisecond flash (no pun intended) it is deflected, ricochets off into a void. I visualize this phenomenon much like a shield being raised in front of the various defensive areas of the brain. It does ‘feel’ as if there are half a dozen different shielding effects happening simultaneously, to me, all in millisecond flashes. (Mind you I am not complaining here, I do not care what it might be really doing, just do NOT stop!)
Does this make sense to you? I am just curious.
Peace and Positive Energy
D
Pain Free
If savoring every morsel of this
Pain free time
Is wrong
I am sorry
I don’t care if I am right or wrong
It may all be just a dream
But gawd dammit
Don’t anyone dare wake me…
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #13 on: Jul 5th, 2004, 3:37am » |
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Thanks for all the support.Great poem D
Flash, I was PF all day 5. I had a wake-me-up attack on day 6, but so mild that I didn't even get out of bed. But I thought WTF and dosed with just 5g (fresh) on day 7 with the help of the skullcap (good advice).
So PF day 7 and day 8 apart from another piddly wake-me-up one which I can live with. Think I'll follow your advice about lower doses if it get worse and see what happens.
By the way, to say I'm happy at the moment is an understatement. I enjoyed my weekend
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #14 on: Jul 5th, 2004, 3:45am » |
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Great news Lee! Long may it continue! Thanks for keeping the updates coming in. Please continue to post on how it's going.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #15 on: Jul 5th, 2004, 8:32am » |
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Lee -
Good for you, mate. I've got my fingers crossed for you too. I'm reading with immense interest because I want to try this myself. I'm currently on verapamil so I might wait for my next bout (if this one ends!).
You said that you got your shrooms on the internet? Would you mind sending me a PM with details of where I can find shrooms and scullcap in the UK?
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #16 on: Jul 5th, 2004, 10:49am » |
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Fatcat . .there are several threads about shrooms in the UK, Flash has been great about posting them . . .there are 'shroom markets' . .y'all are lucky to be able to buy them like that!
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Re: Shroom advice please
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Yeah, I heard that you can buy them at Camden. It's a traditional haunt for Londoners on Sundays. Thanks for the advice, I'll see what I can find on the site.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #18 on: Jul 5th, 2004, 6:21pm » |
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I'm happy that you're happy Lee!
Great news and thanks for the updates.
Have fun!
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #19 on: Jul 5th, 2004, 9:07pm » |
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Lee . . .*WOOHOO*
*happy dance* ....and long last the p/f!!
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #20 on: Jul 6th, 2004, 4:02am » |
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Filbert, Fatcat, miapet, firebrix- thanks for your continued support.
PF day 9
Check your IM Fatcat.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #21 on: Jul 8th, 2004, 3:58am » |
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Not counting my chickens yet, but PF day 10 and day 11.
Weird question: has anyone else noticed an enhancement of smell after dosing or is this just a coincidence?
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on Jul 8th, 2004, 3:58am, LeeS wrote:Not counting my chickens yet, but PF day 10 and day 11.
Weird question: has anyone else noticed an enhancement of smell after dosing or is this just a coincidence?
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I always smell... bad. Perhaps it's down to my choice of antipersperant.
Keep the updates coming
D - to answer your question, to the best of our knowledge the fact the shrooms have worked mean you are now episodic... for the time being. Try slowly streching out your maintenance dose AND gradually reduce the quantity of the maintenance dose. From experience there is always a small danger of a maintenance dose triggering a small episode. The likelihood of this drops away sharply once the dose comes down to level 1 and even a little below. I get away with the equivalent of 1/2g dried cubensis.
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Re: Shroom advice please
« Reply #24 on: Jul 8th, 2004, 10:09am » |
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WoooooHoooo!
That's great LeeS,
Keep us posted!
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