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frisbee
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Red Bull works
« on: Jun 13th, 2004, 1:35pm » |
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Hey all
New member. Same ol story. CH since early 20's (I'm in 40s now). After failures on vasoconsrtictors, lithium, found oxygen worked.
Anyway, I read a post about slamming a couple Red Bulls to avert CH. I tried it--walla, it worked. Nice to have an alternative to oxygen when away from home.
Anyone else give it a go?
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Kirt
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floridian
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Can't hurt. I've got a cycle that's trying to start. If I can't stop it, I'll be drinking a can or two.
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Ingredients: carbonated water, sucrose, glucose, sodium citrate, taurine, glucuronolactone, caffeine, inositol, niacin, D-pantothenol, pyridoxine HCL, vitamin B12, artificial flavours, colors
Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 8.3 fl. oz Servings per Container: 1 Amount per serving: Calories: 110 Total Fat: 0g Sodium: 200mg Protein: 0g Total Carbohydrates: 28g Sugars: 27g
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #2 on: Jun 13th, 2004, 9:10pm » |
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Mmmmm. Taurine. Delicious.
I am in a cycle, thus will pick up a half-dozen or so bottles next time I am out. Cannot hurt.
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?? the caffeine in it doing it??
Cafergot + loads of anecdotal stuff here about blasting attacks away with strong coffee
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #4 on: Jun 13th, 2004, 9:18pm » |
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I didn't think Red Bull had caffeine. Does it? Interesting theory, though!
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #5 on: Jun 13th, 2004, 9:45pm » |
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Yeah it's got caffeine. And taurine is kinda interesting
http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=1971
I don't know. Don't drink coffee really, but I should try as an experiment. Supplemental taurine? Sounds weird, cause I sure ain't no vegan. 
My initial excitement about Red Bull this a.m. is a bit tempered now. The Wicked Witch returned with a vengence while I was swimming at the local pool. I tried to push it, since I often can chase it away with very vigorous exercise (my 4th grade students learn to just stroll up to me doing push-ups on the floor and ask if the can go to the bathroom). Just see4md to make it worse this time.
Anyway, by the time I got home O2 didn't do much, neither did more Red Bull or exercise. Faded off after a couple hours but would not leave me until I ran up a half-mile hill that is always my last resort.
OTOH, my pattern this week has been every two hours in the morning and then nothing till the wee hours. But it bothers me that no abortive would work--was Red Bull the culprit or was my luck just gone. I had the fantasy that I would get through a cycle with all successful abortives (now that I had 3!), but was reminded quickly and for way too long what this cluster crap is all about. Oh well, I usually only have to live through a half dozen full-blown headaches per cycle if I have O2.
Be interested in what happens for others.
And, did the coffee posts mention anything about rebounds? I guess I should just search...
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Kirt
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #6 on: Jun 14th, 2004, 3:06am » |
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I prefer Mt Dew AMP....
I never tried it as an abortive, but it does have plenty of taurine and I'll keep it in mind.
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #7 on: Jun 14th, 2004, 1:18pm » |
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After reading the link, the skeptic in me is thinking this is another of those "Snake Oil" type cure-alls or more likely, a "doctor" trying to sell his books. Taurine may have a place in the body's chemical make up, but the article made it sound like the end all be all. Just in time to get to the ad at the bottom of the article selling dietary aids.
Good for what ails ya:
1. hypertension
2. gallbladder function
3. immune suppression
4. visual problems
5. eye disease
6. cirrhosis
7. liver failure
8. depression
9. male infertility
10. a supplement for newborns and new mothers.
11. cardiovascular problems
12. possibly epilepsy? - .it's main use is, well let me quote : "...its main use has been to help treat epilepsy and other excitable brain states, where it functions as a mild sedative."
Hmmm, in one place it's main use is in the treatment of epilepsy and farther down it lists one of the things it is good for is "possibly epilepsy.
That coupled with the statement that the article is just an exerpt from the "doctor's" cookbook (© Elson M. Haas M.D. (Excerpted from A Cookbook for All Seasons, Celestial Arts) ), makes me cautious of blindly jumping on the bandwagon.
On the other hand are four fingers and a thumb  no, really on the other hand it would cost me a total of $3, + or - some change, to test it for myself. If it works, it beats the hell out of $26 for a Zomig NS.
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #8 on: Jun 14th, 2004, 5:08pm » |
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Hey there
I think you may have read my write up. I have tried redbull several times, and it has worked like magic for me every time. I wish it worked the same for eveyone. The only things that have ever helped me have been Imitrex nasal spray and o2( I have had very little contact with much else) now it seems as though the Imitrex has petered out and is no longer effective. My neuro did suggest Lithium and i was very uneasy about taking it, kinda scary to me. Any other suggestions would help out bunches.
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Quote:| After reading the link, the skeptic in me is thinking this is another of those "Snake Oil" type cure-alls or more likely, a "doctor" trying to sell his books. Taurine may have a place in the body's chemical make up, but the article made it sound like the end all be all. Just in time to get to the ad at the bottom of the article selling dietary aids. |
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Most vitamins, minerals, and cofactors are essential for a lot of things in the body. But your right, Gator, its a bit naive to assume that simply taking these will solve all those conditions. I am especially sceptical when someone is profting by pushing said supplement.
I found the Red Bull ingredients, but it didn't say how much of each ingredient is present. Others here have reported that a B supplement has helped them - and there are a variety of B vitamins in RB. Inositol is another interesting molecule - clusterheads have messed up inositol metabolism, and lithium and verapamil both profoundly alter the inositol cycle. (Inositol is so friggin complex that I am not close to understanding it after spending a few weeks on it)
It could be something as simple as the sugar - by analogy, we know oxygen helps abort, and oxygen is low in the estimated 80% of clusterheads with apnea that get hit at night. We also know that for many cluster heads, lipolysis and energy transfer drops way low at night - maybe a boost of sugar from slamming a RB switches on the metabolism.
Or maybe its the cold. Hard to tell.
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #10 on: Jun 14th, 2004, 6:23pm » |
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interesting thread. I don't know about it's effectiveness on clusters as I am currently in remission, but I do know that red bull with jagermeister works great for attitude adjusting.
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #11 on: Jun 14th, 2004, 7:37pm » |
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> That coupled with the statement that the article is just an exerpt from the "doctor's" cookbook (© Elson M. Haas M.D. (Excerpted from A Cookbook for All Seasons, Celestial Arts) ), makes me cautious of blindly jumping on the bandwagon.<
God yeah, the web site was kinda pathetic. There are better pages on taurine--I just did a quick search and posted the url as a point of interest, since I had barely heard of taurine before.
I don't think there is any bandwagon to jump on for any reasonable person. Just interesting, maybe tarine has something to do with it. Maybe nothing. Maybe it's just sugar/caffeine. Maybe something about the coctail mix.
But hey, its pretty cool to have some non-medical alternative, even if my personal jury is still out on whether it works w/o rebound for me.
Cheers,
Kirt
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #13 on: Jun 17th, 2004, 12:10pm » |
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Update
Had a job interview and of course, a headache starts on halfway thru. After I get two red bulls for the ride home (30 minutes to O2). No magic this time.
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Kirt
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #14 on: Jun 17th, 2004, 2:39pm » |
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on Jun 17th, 2004, 12:10pm, frisbee wrote:Update
Had a job interview and of course, a headache starts on halfway thru. After I get two red bulls for the ride home (30 minutes to O2). No magic this time.
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That's the way it goes, sometimes. Sorry it didn't work for you this time.
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on Jun 14th, 2004, 5:08pm, fivepointnine wrote:| I have tried redbull several times, and it has worked like magic for me every time. I wish it worked the same for eveyone. Any other suggestions would help out bunches. Thanx |
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I hate to sound like the smartass that I am. 
If RedBull works everytime, why do you need any other meds ?
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #16 on: Jun 18th, 2004, 12:33pm » |
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Red Bull plus 2 Excedrins is what I use to get over a shroom hangover. It makes me feel 100% better the day after dosing.
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #17 on: Aug 31st, 2004, 2:08pm » |
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I have a case of Red Bull in the fridge right now. It works about 90% of the time for me. I slam one of the foul bastards at the first sign of a shadow. If I wait too long it's effect and relief are reduced. I have found that the diet Bull works as well. BTW... Red Bull is the ONLY thing that I take aside from pot. The pot is for relaxation and has no effect on CH for me aside from keeping me from headbangin' on the floor.
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Did some more digging - taurine changes a variety of ion channels: calcium, potassium, and sodium. Not sure that it is 'calcium channel blocker' per se - its more complicated, but it does change the calcium flow.
Quote:Adv Exp Med Biol. 1998;442:121-8.
Cardiac actions of taurine as a modulator of the ion channels.
Satoh H.
Department of Pharmacology, Nara Medical University, Japan.
During ischemia, hypoxia and cardiac failure, the heart undergoes several adverse changes, including a reduction in taurine (2-aminoethanesulfonic acid). Oral administration of taurine under these disease conditions would be expected to act like a mild cardiac glycoside. Taurine would exert improvement in the accumulation of [Na]i and the loss of alpha-amino acids. Nonetheless, when intracellular taurine content is raised, there would be the benefit of increased Ca2+ release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum and increased Ca2+ sensitivity of the contractile proteins, as well as possible changes in the action potential associated with the actions of taurine on ion channels. In fact, intracellular application of taurine produces the opposite actions to extracellularly administration of the amino acid. From our previous experiments, the electrophysiological actions of taurine on cardiac muscle cells include the following. (a) Prolongation of action potential duration (APD) at high [Ca]i and shortening of APD at low [Ca]i. In multicellular preparations, however, taurine did not always prevent [Ca]o-induced effects. (b) Stimulation of spontaneous activity at low intracellular and extracellular Ca2+ concentrations ([Ca]i and [Ca]o), and vice versa. (c) Inhibition of the L-type Ca2+ current (ICa(L)) at high [Ca]i, and vice versa. (d) Enhancement of the T-type Ca2+ current (ICa(T)). (e) Inhibition of fast Na+ current (INa). (f) Enhancement of TTX-insensitive slow Na+ current. (g) Inhibition of delayed rectifier K+ current (IKrec) at high [Ca]i, and vice versa. (h) Enhancement of the transient outward current (Ito). (i) Inhibition of the ATP-sensitive K+ current (IK(ATP)). Since taurine acts on so many ion channels and transporters, it is clearly non-specific. Although it is very difficult to understand the diversity of taurine's actions, it is possible that taurine can exert its potent cardioprotective actions under the conditions of low [Ca]i, as well as Ca2+ overload. Thus, although taurine-induced modulation of ion channels located on the cardiac cell membrane is complex, the multiple effects may combine to yield useful therapeutic results. |
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #19 on: Sep 2nd, 2004, 12:04am » |
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I tried the Bull. It worked, mostly. Left me with a shadow that wasn't that bad, probably a K1 or K2. I'm going to give AMP a try. It tastes way better...next thing you know, I'll be chewin the foil! 
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #20 on: Sep 5th, 2004, 7:22am » |
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ok what is red bull?
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #21 on: Sep 5th, 2004, 10:16am » |
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red bull is basically a caffiene drink, tastes somewhat like mountain dew.
it is also my favorite mixer with jagermeister.
around here, 1/2 can red bull (ice cold) + shot or two of jagermeister = jager bomb.
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Taurine reduces the effects of Substance P, which is one of the bad actors that causes heat and pain during a cluster attack. It doesn't block the full spectrum of CGRP/Substance P injections, but it may be useful in turning down the pain.
Quote:Pain. 1990 Jul;42(1):93-101.
Interactions between substance P, calcitonin gene-related peptide, taurine and excitatory amino acids in the spinal cord.
Smullin DH, Skilling SR, Larson AA.
Department of Veterinary Biology, University of Minnesota, St. Paul 55108.
Using in vivo microdialysis in the dorsal spinal cord of the rat, we have previously observed increases in glutamate and aspartate during exposure to a noxious stimulus. The present investigation was designed to determine whether these increases may be mediated by substance P. Infusion of 1 mM of substance P in the dialysis fluid increased the concentrations of glutamate and aspartate, similar to the response seen during noxious stimulation. In addition, substance P also increased the concentrations of the inhibitory amino acids glycine and taurine. Calcitonin gene-related peptide, previously shown to enhance substance P-induced biting and scratching behavior, produced no effect on amino acid release by itself but potentiated the apparent release of taurine by substance P. To assess the importance of substance P-induced amino acid release in sensory processing, we examined the influence of taurine and of excitatory amino acid antagonists on the biting and scratching behavior produced by excitatory amino acids and substance P. Taurine selectively inhibited only substance P-induced biting and scratching while excitatory amino acid antagonists inhibited only excitatory amino acid-induced behavior. To further explore the ability of taurine to inhibit the substance P-induced behavior, 3 tests of nociception were then used. Pretreatment with taurine inhibited the nociceptive-related writhing behavior produced by an intraperitoneal injection of acetic acid in mice but failed to alter the latency of response in the hot plate or tail flick assay.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS) |
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The corporate website for Red Bull indicates that a can contains 1000 mg of Taurine and 600 mg of glucuronolactone - more than just a pinch. Will check on the gluco-fluco-urono-lactono and find out more about it in the next few days.
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #23 on: Sep 7th, 2004, 3:30am » |
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Where do you buy this stuff?
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Re: Red Bull works
« Reply #24 on: Sep 7th, 2004, 7:51am » |
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It's unbelievably expensive. In this area it's available at gas station/quick marts, grocery stores, the usual places. Sam's sells it for nearly $30 a case, and these are small cans.
Far overpriced, imho.
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