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Anyone heard of using magnesium to relieve CH? I found an article about it, but the link is bad, so am unable to post it.
I bought some magnesium pills yesterday just for the hell of it. At this point, I'll try just about anything.....maybe even witchcraft....how about a concoction of boiled bat's blood and chicken entrails?
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My CH treatment
20min HOT steamy shower 1 hour before bed
3 mg of melatonin and 2 mg of time-release melatonin afterwards
Go to bed
Wake up, take 250 mg of magnesium and 20 mg of fluoxetine (prozac)
Abort with zomig as needed.
Hope that helps a little.
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 3:45pm » |
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Ok, so there is something to taking magnesium....I'll keep taking it. Thanks Thomas.
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 4:02pm » |
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I take it too.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 4:03pm » |
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Years ago my neuro told me to take magnesium together with a B Vitamin (I forget which one) and all that happened was that I got the runs. Maybe other people will have a more positive experience. If I'm not mistaken I think you have to take a certain form of magnesium for it to be effective. I'm sure there's research out there somewhere. Good luck.
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 6:10pm » |
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I take 250mg of magnesium twice a day. I just recently wrote a paper on the use of riboflavin and magnesium as migraine and headache abortive. I'll post it here in a little bit. Been hesitant about posting it because I don't have my list of sources cited on it and also it does deal extensively with discussion on migraine, as well. But it may be interesting for some of you to read...Just gotta find where I put it.
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #6 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 6:17pm » |
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I wrote this paper a few weeks ago for my nutrition class. I did use solidly researched articles, I just don't have them cited here, but if need be, I can always look them back up.
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Quote:The Use of Vitamins and Minerals for Headache and Migraine Prevention
The vast majority of our population has experienced some type of headache during the last year. These headaches can be a result of migraine (a genetic, neurological disorder with many manifestations), or from other primary headache disorders such as tension-type headache, chronic daily headache, and cluster headache. Due to the large population affected by such disorders, there has been a great need for researchers to find effective ways to both abort and prevent migraine and headache episodes. While there are over one hundred different preventives available for migraine and headaches today, many people still are unable to find the most effective treatment due to variations in biology and the different ways that we react to medications. Also, while there are some commonalities between headache types, many of the treatment plans vary from type to type, making it especially important for a proper diagnosis to be determined as soon as possible.
In my own personal experience in dealing with a form of chronic daily headache with migraine and cluster headache, I have come across the use of Riboflavin (Vit B2) and Magnesium to prevent migraine and cluster headache. Riboflavin is primarily used for migraine, but magnesium has been used for both migraine and cluster headache. Based on what we have learned in nutrition class, I have become interested in knowing why these two substances are effective in preventing these disorders for some people. Therefore, I looked into various articles discussing the use of riboflavin and magnesium in the prevention of migraine and cluster headache.
The use of riboflavin commenced because migraine was thought to be a disease of energy deficiency related to mitochondrial energy metabolism. Riboflavin is a precursor to several important chemicals used in the electron transport chain for ATP synthesis. A dose of 400mg of riboflavin showed great improvement regarding frequency and duration of migraine in a study done by J. Schoenen, et al. 59% of a study group of patients given riboflavin versus 15% given placebo showed at least 50% improvement on a dose of 400mg. The mitochondrial dysfunction was described in another article by neurologists at the New England Center for Headache by stating that this “was suggested by a low phosphocreatine i ratio.” Based on the articles I read, it appears that riboflavin can be a very effective supplement to proven migraine preventive medications.
Magnesium has been studied in relation to both migraine and cluster headache. One study done by A Mauskop of the New York Headache Center described the levels of IMg2+ levels as determining how patients with migraine and cluster headache would react to IV MgSO4. It was found that levels of IMg2+ below 0.54 mmol/L were related to symptoms of pulsatile pain. Therefore, it was determined by the study that patients presenting with pulsating pain may have low levels of IMg2+. The previously mentioned study by neurologists at New England Center for Headache states that deficiencies in magnesium may be related to brain hyperexcitability. Their study states that “low magnesium can result in opening of calcium channels, increased intracellular calcium, glutamate release, and increased extracellular potassium, which may in turn trigger cortical spreading depression.” Cortical spreading depression has been shown to be related to migraine with aura.
However, the effectiveness of magnesium in the treatment of migraine has not been entirely determined. One study using oral magnesium di-citrate at a dose of 600mg/day showed effectiveness, but another study using magnesium aspartate was not effective at migraine prevention. It has been hypothesized that the difference in success with these two studies could be based on a difference in dosages of magnesium and a difference in the salts.
Based on reviewing several studies and information regarding the use of riboflavin and magnesium in migraine and headache prevention, I have learned that these two substances could be very effective in preventing migraine and headache in some patients. Related side effects appear to be mild. All of these factors definitely make the use of riboflavin and magnesium something to consider when working with a physician to try to treat these disorders. |
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #7 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 11:24pm » |
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my neuro has me on 150mg coQ10 enzyme and 400mg magnesium daily.
He said great results were occuring with coQ10 and magnesium is also a wonderful addition.
Coming from an actual neuro, I took his advice! Too early to tell yet as it hasn't quite been 2 weeks but here's hoping!
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #8 on: Apr 27th, 2004, 5:12am » |
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Hey Rich,
I eat loads of magnesium each day. I read once that you must eat up to 400-500mgs to make it work. I am not sure about that, but I can tell you that couple times when I felt a CH coming and had a magnesium tablet streight away, it stopped CH developing into a proper attack on that time! 
My advice: check out if it does work for you. I live in hope that my attacks are milder because I eat it daily.
best wishes & PFdays,
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #9 on: Apr 27th, 2004, 8:49am » |
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WWW.HEADACHEPAINFREE.COM The content of this site has been expanded since I first posted it. It now covers several types of headache and a more general coverage of medications. It remains, to my knowledge, the best single source of information on the use of magnesium for headache--both for prevention and as a treatment during an active cycle.
Magnesium as a preventive treatment for CH is the main value of this site. It appears that magnesium has been used in Europe for some years for this purpose and I've posted one medical report about using IV magnesium to abort headaches which would not repond to the usual medications. [With thanks to Shawna @ 6/22/00.]
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I just got back from Neuro. My CH cycle has ended due to Topamax. 
He suggested I take 400 mg Magnesium daily
also take 400 mg Vitamin B2 daily as well.
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #11 on: May 10th, 2004, 6:40pm » |
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Hello Rich...I'm brand new to this site so am just now seeing your message....I saw a headache specialist a week ago who told me that 1 gram of magnesium sulfate(injected) would relieve me completely of clusters for 3 weeks! yea. I was so happy. BUT it didn't work...at all! Maybe it works for some, but didn't do a thing for me. How are you now? I hope better. My best, Janet
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Quote:| Hello Rich...I'm brand new to this site so am just now seeing your message....I saw a headache specialist a week ago who told me that 1 gram of magnesium sulfate(injected) would relieve me completely of clusters for 3 weeks! yea. I was so happy. BUT it didn't work...at all! Maybe it works for some, but didn't do a thing for me. How are you now? I hope better. My best, Janet |
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Yeah, magnesium only works for about half of us. The I.V. infusion works quicker, if it works at all. Lithium is another light metal that is really good for some of us, but does nothing for others. In the case of lithium, they have identified a few genetic factors - if you have those genes, lithium is more likely to help you.
Quote:Int J Clin Pharmacol Res. 1986;6(1):19-22.
Genetic markers of cluster headache and the links with the lithium salts therapy.
Giacovazzo M, Martelletti P, Romiti A, Gallo MF, Iuvara E, Valeri M, Piazza A, Adorno D, Monaco PI, Casciani CU.
The existing relationship between genetic markers of the cluster headache and the efficacy of lithium salts therapy was described in the present study. Thirty-five patients suffering from cluster headache, who were already typed for the HLA antigens, were studied. Typing was carried out with the microlymphocytotoxicity technique used by US National Institutes of Health. The patients were treated with lithium carbonate for a period of three months. Three parameters for evaluation of the efficacy of lithium therapy was used: the percentage of improvement, the wake-sleep rhythm and the pupil diameter measurement. The parameters were statistically (Student's t-test) evaluated and it was possible to separate two subgroups of patients: "responders" and "non-responders" to the lithium therapy. The phenotypical frequencies in the two subgroups was analysed using the chi 2 test, Data emerging showed a higher frequency of antigen HLA-B18 (23.8% versus 0%; p less than 0.005 pc less than 0.06) and of antigen HLA-A9 (42.9% versus 14.3%) in the "responders" subgroup. In the "non-responders" subgroup a higher frequency of antigen HLA-A1 (35.7% versus 14.3%) was found. |
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #13 on: May 10th, 2004, 11:00pm » |
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Rich,
Have you tried Melatonin??? If not, then you might consider it.
Hope you get some PF time and some rest.
PF vibes,
Jean
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Re: magnesium?
« Reply #14 on: May 22nd, 2004, 7:37pm » |
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Strange how medications/supplements will sometime work differently of some of us. During a cycle magnesium supplements will trigger a CH within 30 minutes or so with me.
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