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My first dose...
« on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 10:50pm » |
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I dosed Sunday night...or actually Monday morning at about 1am. I know I said I was going to start off with .5 a gram but I decided since I was chronic and my friend said .5 grams wouldn't do nothing I took 1 gram. Things were going really well so I took another .5 gram at 2am then another .4 at 3am. It was really cool. Had a good time and all, but as I came down at about 7 or 8am I felt strong shadows until about 9:30am then I passed out and slept till about 3pm Monday afternoon. I went all day Monday without an attack but when I fell asleep that night at about 11pm I awoke an hour later with a kip7-8 attack. 5 min of O2 shook it off and I went back to sleep. Then today at the theater while watching Dawn of the Dead I had an attack which was also aborted with 15 min of O2. I'm going to dose again Friday during the day with 2 grams straight up. I'm actually having strong shadows right now so I'm going to go. If ya'll have any questions, let me know. Talk to ya'll later.
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #1 on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 11:49pm » |
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Hey Eeyore,
Glad to hear everything went well with the dose. I know you were a bit nervous since you had never done anything like that before.
It is fairly common to get hit for a couple days fallowing a dose. Some people get hit harder for a couple days before things calm down. I wouldn't be surprised if things started to get better for you in the next few days.
If it has disrupted the normal times you get hit this is a good sign. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Also Eeyore, You know they have a big ass party for you every year in May at Peace Park in Austin. It's quite an experience in it's self.
Take care!
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Eeyore,
A bit of advice,the dose size is not simply related to
trip level reached. i.e.- 1g=level 1 so 2g would=level 2 is
not true.The results of doubling the dose may be much
more than doubling the effect,so be prepared.
The time between your .5g dose and the additional
.4g may also be a big factor.There is what is called
a 'closed door' effect.The first dose kicks in,the reseptors
involved sort of shut down or block any additional drug.
Theoreticly at least,if you took 1g and waited for
the trip to start,you could then take as much as you
wanted without additional effects.This is the reason for
the 5 day waiting period between doses.
This is just my understanding of what I have read,
and I could be totaly wrong.I just want you to consider
thease things and be prepared.I'd hate to see you go
much higher than you were expecting to and possibly
have a bad expieriance.
Happy dosing and PF2U,
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #3 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 1:46am » |
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Thanks Billy. That was very good advice and very important to note.
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Yes the chances are thatyouonly experienced the first 1g, around 20-30mins after youstart ingesting the door pretty much slams shut for a few days. After that all you are doing is burning valuable medication.
Please also be aware that as with all drugs 2x as much does not equal 2x as good, or even 2x as nice. Imagine you drank 3/4 a pint of vodka - you'd probably have a good time. If you drank a pint you might find the experience a little too much, or even a lot too much.
Do not be confused by how small the dose appears. For example LSD doses are so small that you couldn't physically see the acid without a magnifying glass, but holy shit the effects are out there.
Also how many other medicines have given you complete relief with a single small dose... none is my guess. So just because you haven't been all out cured by the first gram, doesn't mean that you have to increae the dose. Hallucinogens are a learning curve, and it's best to get well used to them before you shoot for the moon. Personally the dose I've used successfully for over a decade is around the 0.5g mark. See where I'm coming from?
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #5 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 4:14pm » |
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate your input. I wondered why things really didn't "take off" after the .5 and .4 gram doses. That makes sense. I think I will up the dose to 1.25-1.5 Friday. I'll let ya'll know how it goes. By the way my girlfriend is now posting on the board in the supporters section as "Helpless." She is the first girl I've met since I was diagnosed in Sept. of 1999 who truly understands and supports me in every way possible. She is truly a supporter  . I'll let ya'll know how it goes Friday.
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #6 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 5:15pm » |
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I think we all understand and appreciate the importance of having someone that supports us.
Hopefully she'll soon be able to change her handle to "helpful" and won't feel helpless much longer.
I would expect that helpless feeling is about as far away from the truth as is possible. Supporters always feel helpless and may never fully understand how help*ful* they really are.
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #7 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 6:04pm » |
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And Eeyore,
Be sure to be patient during the settling down period.
Definately crap on schedule. This will keep your door from slamming shut.
If you've had mincemeat pie within the last year it may take an extra dose or two as it takes a while for your body to return to normal after eating that stuff!
Above all, keep in mind that if it doesn't work you must have done it wrong!
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #8 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 7:33pm » |
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on Mar 24th, 2004, 6:04pm, Bob P wrote:| you must have done it wrong! |
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Thats OK Bob, don't beat yourself up about it. We all make mistakes.
Same thing you tell people when they don't use a non-rebreather mask.
Feel free to wait for scientific proof that is acceptable to you before you try it again.
It's rather ironic that YOU are about the best proof we have that triptans and steroids will block the actions of psilocybin. I guess you could say that we believe you but you don't. 
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #9 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 7:52pm » |
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Bob P,
If you have a beef with Pinkfloyd then start your own I have a beef with Pinkfloyd thread or take it to PM. There is no reason to try and highjack this one. It's childish and really not helpful to anyone involved. 
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #10 on: Mar 24th, 2004, 9:05pm » |
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Exactly my point. If I'm the best proof you have, you're really grabbing at straws.
I believe shrooms are a viable cluster treatment. I also believe that all the do's and don't s that you guys spew are purely conjecture. It's a shame you dirty a viable treatment with such nonsense!
When I read 'don't believe what's written in the medical literature about the half life of a medication' but listen to us instead, I just cringe.
Ya know, the only reason I posted in the other thread was because the guy said the "only side effect" was the giggles. I posted my side effects, truthfully, and floyd got his panties in a bunch. Just couldn't accept that it wasn't what he wanted to hear. Get used to it. I've been here over 5 years and ain't goin' nowhere.
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Re: My first dose...
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on Mar 24th, 2004, 9:05pm, Bob P wrote:
It's a shame you dirty a viable treatment with such nonsense!
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LOL...and you've provided what scientific certainties to this treatment? 
I suppose we could just sit back and do nothing, trying to find the best treatment protocol. Is that the plan you used for OUCH?
Should we wait for someone else to do this? You maybe?
Could you please point me to the literature that will tell us the best cluster treatment protocol for psilocybin? Please tell us what dose size will be most effective and how many are needed. Point me to the abstract if you can't remember off the top of your head.
I'd be happy to read it so we don't have to spew nonsense that you can't understand.
We may not have the answers yet but you certainly aren't providing any.
Just sit back and throw stones and red herrings and we'll do what needs to be done.
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #12 on: Mar 25th, 2004, 9:58am » |
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Ya know, you've got a good tool on the buster/erowid site in the "survey". It's the real data that you have. It would be much more functional to quote the findings of the survey (78 out of 100 find that ....) than to take a few anectodal comments and profess tham as all encompassing fact.
If you want to be sure about drug interactions with psil, you should fine tune that part of the survey. What were you taking, how much, how long, before or after dosing, etc.
I think the best function that the busters and OUCH can perform is to collect numbers and present them to the professionals who have the resources ($) to determine the real protocol. Keep building the numbers and keep presenting until there is enough to catch their interest and get them to expend their resources. That's the direction I took with OUCH.
You remind me a lot of myself about 4 years ago when I was learning about neurotransmitters, especially 5HT. I jumped on everything I learned and thought, wow, that's it. My focus was limited, my mind single tracking. I think I have a better picture now of how the establishement works.
Keep gathering your data, it's the best thing you can do.
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #13 on: Mar 25th, 2004, 10:23am » |
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When you guys say steroids, you mean corticosteroids (prednisone), right? You aren't referring to anabolic steroids, androgenic steroids, oestrogenic steroids or progestogenic steroids, all of which are steroids, yet are very different from corticosteroids (prednisone).
*meddling*
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #14 on: Mar 25th, 2004, 10:41am » |
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Curtis,
That's what I mean. I usually don't even use the word steroids. I stick to prednisone or pred since that is the only one I'm aware of being prescribed for clusters.
Man, if ya want to gain weight the pred will do it!
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Most people turn to shrooms because nothing else is working. That being the case why continue taking the things that aren't working as those MAY reduce the chances of success.
Some people find that their condition actually improves when they cease the prescription medication. Check out the graphs by Hootch under the Updates on Psilocybin Research??? thread to see what I mean.
In a real scientific study on the effectiveness of a treatment I sincerely doubt they would select people already taking a bunch of other medications. They may well test interactions further down the line, but the baseline effectiveness would definately be tested in isolation.
The data we get from people that have detoxed is much more valuable than the data we get from someone that hasn't.
In addition those that have detoxed have improved their chances of a quick success.
If a GP prescribed a course of medication, and the patient returned 2 days later saying "I took one dose, but it didn't work so I've shovelled all this other crap into my system" then I doubt if the GP would be impressed... Nothing else has even the remotest chance of terminating an episode or breaking a cycle in a single dose. Only shrooms have consistently achieved this.
Your also over emphasising my comments. The hypothalamus has been implicated in the CH condition. The hypothalmus is also thought to act as the 'body clock', CH has been referred to as the 'alarm clock headache'. The point I was making is that a lot of enviromental and lifestyle factors may or may not influence CH. Even watching too much TV for instance. Those that have suceeded with shrooms generally feel that shrooms have somehow 'reset' the body clock (I use that term loosely). Therefore in my opinion people should take a syergistic approach to this treatment regarding things like sleeping and mealtimes.
TommyD did actually publish our results only a couple of months back. I took a copy of those and pasted them on this message board. There have been more results since then. We are now moving steadily towards a proper clinical trial.
Now what exactly has OUCH done - in concise and specific terms please? And how has this contributed to breaking individual cycles and keeping people PF?
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #16 on: Mar 25th, 2004, 12:43pm » |
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on Mar 25th, 2004, 10:41am, Bob P wrote:Curtis,
That's what I mean. I usually don't even use the word steroids. I stick to prednisone or pred since that is the only one I'm aware of being prescribed for clusters.
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The generic term of "steroids" is used in the context of clusters/psilocybin because there ARE other forms of steroids used by people that have clusters and want to try psilocybin, than just prednisone.
In general, we do mean corticosteroids. If Barry Bonds turns out to suffer from clusters and wants to try psilocybin, we'll have to take a look at some of the others.
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Re: My first dose...
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So, which is it? Did you gain some additional data overnight that changed the routine from many requiring more than 1 dose to it consistently working in a single dose?
Long ago I reached the point where I really don't believe much of anything you guys say about the treatment. You seem to say whatever comes to mind at that moment.
As for OUCH, the current leadership is working on:
We've developed a cluster screening tool.
We have speakers lined up for the convention.
There is a new study being done on chronics.
There is talk of a new study for different dosages for imitrex.
The zomig nasal spray trials are almost ready to go live.
We have the Grant templates set up and ready to go.
We met and had extensive discussions with Glaxo.
We have done a sampling for $$ and triptan usage for Glaxo.
We have set up the outlines for education sessions.
We have set up the affiliation with the NECH and OUCH.
We met and had brief discussions with the Pfizer reps.
I am building an ongoing cluster library.
I have contact information for ACHE and AHS and info to resolve the conflict of information regarding the drip movie.
There was discussion regarding being on Oprah.
There was discussion on uniformity of chapters and they were particularly pleased with the PANJ set up.
The NECH suggested we reinstate dues.
We discussed the quality of life survey.
There is a CME cd called Migraine Blues with a cluster song/video on it that we have copies of.
There was discussion on an epidemiology and prevalance study for cluster headaches.
The web site continues to receive thankyou e-mails for directing sufferers to good cluster physicians, for providing usefull infomation on various medications and treatments (including psil) and for providing support. Lots of doctors, research clinics and pharaceutical companies starting to take notice and include OUCH in their activities.
Well, I wish I could think of some smart alec remark to end this post with like floyd does but I'm a little brain dead right now.
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Re: My first dose...
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on Mar 25th, 2004, 12:43pm, Pinkfloyd wrote:
The generic term of "steroids" is used in the context of clusters/psilocybin because there ARE other forms of steroids used by people that have clusters and want to try psilocybin, than just prednisone.
In general, we do mean corticosteroids. If Barry Bonds turns out to suffer from clusters and wants to try psilocybin, we'll have to take a look at some of the others.
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OMG! Barry Bonds uses steroids?! WTF?!
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Re: My first dose...
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on Mar 25th, 2004, 9:58am, Bob P wrote:If you want to be sure about drug interactions with psil, you should fine tune that part of the survey. What were you taking, how much, how long, before or after dosing, etc.
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Gee, why didn't we think of that?
Had you joined clusterbusters a year and a half ago, (when you were invited) you'd know we have been doing just that for a long time.
The point about *you* being good information is that what you reported was/is anecdotal evidence. Even reporting that 10 out of 10 people that have tried psilocybin while on prednisone have failed UNTIL they have discontinued the prednisone, is still anecdotal evidence. ALL available data on treating clusters with psilocybin is anecdotal at this point.
on Mar 25th, 2004, 9:58am, Bob P wrote:
I think the best function that the busters and OUCH can perform is to collect numbers and present them to the professionals who have the resources ($) to determine the real protocol. Keep building the numbers and keep presenting until there is enough to catch their interest and get them to expend their resources. That's the direction I took with OUCH.
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Are you speaking for OUCH?
Has OUCH decided that they want to participate in some way now? Have you even asked OUCH if you are allowed to use those four letters in that particular order in a thread about mushrooms. 
You took this direction with OUCH??? Can I have a copy of the data (you) OUCH has collected so I can add it to the database?
Any funds you've collected should be sent to MAPS and noted that they should be used strictly for the Clusterbusters/Psilocybin/Cluster Headache trials so they don't end up going towards unrelated funds.
Where can I view the public records of OUCH's finances so I can see how much to expect?
on Mar 25th, 2004, 9:58am, Bob P wrote:
You remind me a lot of myself about 4 years ago when I was learning about neurotransmitters, especially 5HT. I jumped on everything I learned and thought, wow, that's it. My focus was limited, my mind single tracking. I think I have a better picture now of how the establishement works.
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So, you think I'm only 4 years behind you? LOL
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Thanks for all the help BobP. You're the best!!
I'll try to catch up. 
PF
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ahhhhh Pinkfloyd? I think you completely took what Bob said out of context. Correct me if I'm wrong here Bob P., but you meant (and I am assuming) that each respective party collect numbers and present them to the professionals to determine the real protocol of our own prospective goals.
Is this right?
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Thanks Mel.
What I meant, and I sure could have worded this better, is that the direction I took while leading OUCH was that it was important to gain numbers of members, responses to the suveys on the OUCH site, any info at all that would be of interest to the pros. Buster's should do the same thing in the direction they are going. Their best resource will be the numbers. Without them, they're just a bunch of dopers in the eyes of the pros.
At this point I do not speak for OUCH. I am but a member. PF, you are overplaying the relationship between OUCH and busters. I imagine it's a carryover from Flash jumping on OUCH-UK the other week. I know the OUCH leadership is very much in favor of the psil treatment and seeing the research efforts move along successfully. There is nothing preventing any one of the Officers or members from stating this. The question that is being wrestled with is should a non-profit org officially "endorse" the treatment. I would imagine that as long as it is an illegal substance, they will be unable to do that. That's not to say they won't talk about and share info, even on the web site, re the treatment, with the proper disclaimers.
If you want to see OUCH's money, every cent is accounted for in the Committees page under Budget Committee Reports.
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Sorry, I didn't know. I was just going by your survey and the only question I could find there is:
"Were you taking any of the medications listed below immediately prior to or during the hallucinogenic treatment?" I didn't realize you were using some other tool to gather the info on when, how much, how long, before, during, after, etc.
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on Mar 25th, 2004, 1:08pm, Bob P wrote:Flash yesterday:
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So, which is it? Did you gain some additional data overnight that changed the routine from many requiring more than 1 dose to it consistently working in a single dose?
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OK so now you are getting anal about the definitions of 'many' and 'consistent'.
Diego Maradona consitently scored goals, that doesn't mean that he scored in every single game, or with every touch of the ball. It means he scored regularily. So it is with shrooms.
A large number of people have utilised the shroom treatment. Many of them achieve remission from a single dose, and many of them do not. Not many of them fail to achieve remission. Less still experience no improvement. Hardly any experience no impact on the course of their headaches.
Many does not mean 'vast majority'.
Please refer to my post regarding the figures compiled by TommyD for more specific figures.
If you can be bothered then go and trawl through all my previous posts over 6 years regarding this treatment. I doubt very much if you'll find any inconsistencies, other than those that involve misconstruing my phrasing. I can say this with confidence because I have been telling the truth. This enables me to post freely without having to check back through everything I've ever written.
Neither have I ever shirked a question, or neglected to gove full detail. You on the other hand have on several occasions past posted about your lack of success with shrooms, and on each occasion you have neglected to mention the fact that you were also taking predisone and imitrex. On most (do we need to agree a definition of most?) of those occasions I have pointed this out to you, and you have declined to comment. Twice I have pasted you original posts detailing the use of predisone and imitrex, and only the most recent time have you acknowledged those facts.
I have no issue with your course of action. My (rhetorical) question is: What do your frequent reports of your single failure with shrooms, while neglecting to provide context that might qualify that failure, tell us?
As for our survey... you were one of only 4 people personally consulted on the specific contents of that survey - the others being, pinky, earth, and myself. All your input was incorporated. Why didn't you raise these issues then? I agree they are valid, and would have welcomed them 3 years ago.
Thanks for answering the first part of my closing question. Now how about answering the second one? How many people have OUCH helped to become and remain PF? I'll make it easy. Name one.
I'll sleep a lot better a night knowing what a good realtionship OUCH has with doctors and how they are all sitting up and taking notice...
Meanwhile we have an effective treatment, maybe it's time that OUCH leveraged those relationships and started to help us communicate this to all those good doctors. Oh and sorry it's illegal in some places.
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Re: My first dose...
« Reply #23 on: Mar 25th, 2004, 5:43pm » |
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on Mar 25th, 2004, 2:21pm, Melissa wrote:ahhhhh Pinkfloyd? I think you completely took what Bob said out of context. Correct me if I'm wrong here Bob P., but you meant (and I am assuming) that each respective party collect numbers and present them to the professionals to determine the real protocol of our own prospective goals.
Is this right?
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Thanks for trying Mel, all kidding aside, I do appreciate it.
The "prospective goals" of OUCH and Clusterbusters are whatever they are.
The only protocol that was being discussed pertained to what medications if any, need to be detoxed prior to a successful treatment with psilocybin. The information Clusterbusters has already provided to the "professionals" is, and will be, used by them to help set the protocol for the clinical trials.
While I am here and before I venture into BobP's next response, lest I forget, I do want to make it clear that the current administration at OUCH should take no offense at my remarks, as none is intended. I am very pleased and impressed at their current direction and what has been accomplished during their brief tenure. I hope that this continues and at some point we may be able to actually work together to help cluster sufferers. Time will tell.
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OK I dug up the stats post:
The person that did all this work is TommyD, the following extract is in TommyD's words lifted directly fropm his post. I hope he doesn't mind me posting this!!!
"There are treatment reports from a total of 71 people. 56 are positive reports; 15 are negative, questionable or indeterminant.
Of the total, there are 18 reports from chronics, 36 from episodics, and 17 reports are undetermined - meaning I couldn't figure out for sure from the reports whether the clusterhead was chronic or episodic.
Successful treatment reports, total = 56 (78.9% )
Negative treatment reports, total = 15 (21.1%)
Successful treatment reports from chronics = 11 (61.1 %)
Negative or questionable reports from chromics = 7(38.9 %)
Successful treatment reports from episodics = 31 (86.1 %)
Negative or questionable reports from episodics = 5 (13.9 %)
However - Not all the negative reports are outright failures of the treatment.
Four of the reports are incomplete, with subject usually making at least some inital progress, but then the reports stop (or at least I can't find any further posts) after a week or two. Of these, 2 are chronic, 1 episodic, 1 unknown.
In two other cases, one chronic one episodic, the treatment worked at first, then stopped. The chronic later tried the gamma knife procedure, results unknown.
In another two cases, the treatment relievd the clusters, but the subjects decided to switch to another treatment. One of these cases was a chronic, and was having to dose weekly and was finding the trip
unpleasent, and switched to botox injections, which worked. The other did not indicate episodic or chronic, but the trips were unpleasent and included anxiety attacks. In these cases, psilocybin was effective, but not efficacious...or is it efficacious but not effective...
Two others, both episodic, had only very limited success, and went back to conventional meds.
Five had no luck at all. (three chronics, one episodic, one unknown).
Two of these reports may have come from the same person, but I'm not sure so I count both reports. Some of these reports show use of Imitrex or other meds during treatment -- however, there are also success reports from folks using Imitrex and such.
Droppping the four incomplete reports from the calculation, we get an 83.6 percent success rate overall.
Now understand this "survey" is completely unscientific and not generalizable. The sample is too small and the research methods invalid. But the numbers fit with various estimates of success rates pretty well. I had been guessing conservatively at 80 percent.
But I expect these numbers will hold up pretty well with scientific clinical trials. And I'm damn sure the ClusterBuster treatment beats any conventional med all to hell."
I'd like to add to this that most of the people trying this treatment have screwed up in one way or another. This includes ineffective shrooms, overdosing, underdosing, running out of shrooms, failure to detox, failure to wait the alloted time between dosing, sneaking shots of Imitex, staying on other preventative meds, dosing at the worst possible moment, failing to take preventative doses...
So taking all that into account and still achieving a success rate of over 80% is pretty astounding. In my opinion the true success rate would be closer to 100%. The bottom line is: DO IT PROPERLY AND IT WORKS.
Thanks again to Tommy D.
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