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My first night with O2
« on: Mar 20th, 2004, 1:27pm » |
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Well, I don't have a mask yet, but I had pretty good results with the hose and plenty of pressure of the welding regulator.
I don't know what size the tank is, but it's about 3 feet tall. I used almost half of it.
I'd sum it up as a magic headache time machine bottle.
I think it takes about 25 deep lung fulls, and they go something like this...
Hits 1-5 OMIGOD HURRY UP!!! This hurts!
5-10 OH SHIT THAT DIDN"T HURT, THIS HURTS!
10-15 OMUTHERFUCKER I CAN'T DO IT! HURRY
15-20 OFUCKINSHITI'MGONNADIE!!!
20-25 PLEASE GOD TAKE ME!!! KILL ME NOW!!! OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26.... gone 
Not very pleasant, but considering all that takes less than 2 min's to go through I'll take it!!!
Now I just gotta figure out how I'm going to get that bottle filled every 2 days without raising suspiscion. It would be alot easier if I were bringing in an actylene bottle with it, but...
Fortunately I live in a fairly large city. There's probably a dozen places to get it filled. I guess I'll just make rounds with it. Or buy more bottles...
How much do you figure one of those O2 tanker transport trucks would cost? 
Thanks for all the help everyone!
I got at least 5 or 6 hours sleep last night for the first time in a while.
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #1 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 1:41pm » |
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That's fantastic news Chris. Oh the wonder of 02 when it works for you.
Takes away a lot of the fear of the pain when you know you can tackle it doesn't it.
Really pleased for you 
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #2 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 2:25pm » |
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Hey Chris..do you have insurance? because if you do...and the doc prescribes it....your good to go....and if you dont...whats your address...ill send ya my spare in the mail....(I wish!) Luke
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #3 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 5:36pm » |
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No insurance... 
I believe I have a mask on the way, but I'm not so sure I need it now...
After reading and talking to a few people who have had success, and people who have not had success I've come to the conclusion that the key factor is the speed in which you deliver the maximum amount of O2 to your blood.
I know you guys have this down to a science, but...
At the risk of getting flamed, and admittance that I have not yet tried the mask and/or medical regulator, it seems to me that the welding regulator at 20-25 psi turned on for a full hit (in about 1.5 sec's), then turned off between hits, delivers far more oxygen to the body much faster than a mask could, and since its being turned off between hits, wastes no oxygen.
I see people speak of using the mask for 5 -15 minutes...  There's no fucking way I could wear a mask for 15 min waiting for that little bag to keep filling for a 1/4 lung full.
So far I've found success hitting the hose fast and hard. A complete lung full in a second and a half, (turn the valve off) hold for a second, exhale (turn valve back up to 20-25 psi) and do it again. Repeat 25 times in less than 2 min my headache is a thing of the past. But It's not like you get to miss the pain... Like I said above it just condenses a full blown 8 or 10 into 1.5-2 min's.
It hurts so fucking bad for about a minute that I had trouble holding the hose to my mouth, could barely turn the valve, and a couple of times while counting hits, lost count at about 15. But as long as I can hold it together till around 25 hits the ha goes from full blown tears down my face, drooling, shaking, making me groan, to absolutely pain free in about 1 second.
And that is fucking fabulous!
Thanks again to everyone for all of your help.
To anyone that is not having success with O2, I suggest trying it this way. Getting the most O2 as fast as you can is the key.
And since your only hitting it for 1-2 minutes it seems to me there's less chance of lung damage from the straight O2 than there would be going 5 minutes with a bubbler.
That's just MHO...
Oh yeah, I think it also makes a difference to exhale through the nose, although hella-boogers are sure to ensue.
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #4 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 10:51pm » |
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..not sure I *got* all of your technique... but it sounds a bit ...risky. Hitting *straight* off the bottle and metering out the amount
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...by *hand* is not, IMHO, a smart thing. Your lungs are kinda like fleshy sacks. Ya fill them up too fast, they burst. The very thought gives me the willys.... and when yer having a K7-K10 you are probably not at your *best* in judging pain/pressure/valve shit/ etc.
I am VERY glad you're getting relief from o2... just get yourself a *complete* rig and leave the mechanics of delivery to the machine/valve/proper mask. Hell, fill up one of them big ole gargage bags with the o2 and huff that. Safer I think.
Don't be a Darwin Award winner/loser.....
Good luck and get a *Doctor* to *Prescribe* the o2..... I mean that SERIOUSLY as a visit to the ER.....
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #5 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 12:26am » |
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I'm not talking about so much pressure that your gonna blow your lungs up or anything... Just enough that you can take a hit fast... Fill your lungs full in a few seconds, just like if you were to take a deep breath without having anything attached to your face or sucking on a tube. I may have exaggerated with the 1.5 sec's, let's say 3 sec's... Whatever, the point is you are not waiting. You can fill your lungs quickly, hold, exhale and repeat.
Shit... Speaking of which... Just got hit and knocked it out in no time. 
Anyway, 20-35 psi is not going to blow anything up...
Well, maybe if you stick the tube in your mouth and seal your nose and lips! Then you may have a problem. 
Garbage bag full of O2 sounds alot more dangerous IMHO. I'm in AZ and there is an innordinate amount of static electricity here.
So far in 18 yrs I've gotten 10 times the amount of help from this sight for ch than all the dr's I've seen put together. And this sight doesn't cost $400 to log on to.
And as far as I'm concerned, from plenty of previous experiences, emergency rooms are for things like broken bones, stitches, heart attacks, strokes and anyeurisms.
As far as ch goes I've racked up several thousands of dollars worth of bills in er's, but never got any help.
An er for a ch is completely out of the question for me.
What's the worst that could happen? Is the ha going to kill you? No. And it never will. That would be too easy.
But thanks for your concern and guidance Steve. I think I must have made it sound more extreme than it really is.
Tell me this. You or anyone that uses, or has tried to use O2 with the "proper setup". Do you have success with it?
Do you have to wait for the bag to refill?
How long?
How many bags fill your lungs?
How long does it take to knock out the HA?
Does the bag waste much O2? I mean does it cut off the flow if you are not sucking on it?
And finally what is the purpose of the bag? Because it looks like it's about 1/4 -1/5 of my lung capacity, and if the purpose is to flood your blood, why do it slowly in 1/4 lung increments?
I'm very ignorant on the whole mask thing as I do not have one yet, but these are issues I have been wondering about especially after the success I have had filling my lungs quickly and not wasting ANY O2, and killing HA's in just a couple minutes...
And why is that dangerous? Assuming there is not enough pressure to "blow you up", is it just the fact that it is raw unhumidified O2, or what? And even if it is, if you are only hitting it for less than 2 minutes, isn't that a positive?
And as compared to shooting up 2- 6mg of imitrex, how dangerous do you think it is?
Seriously I know that's alot of questions, but I'm not being a smartass or anything, I'm sincerely asking.
Thanks.
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #6 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 1:06am » |
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So glad your o2 is knocking down the beast. I would echo others sentiments about getting a non-rebreather mask. It's easy on the lungs, and I find I dont need a bubbler with it.
Here's my experience, your mileage may vary. I'll give a worse case scenario - The Dreaded 2am Wakeup.
The h/a wakes me up, usually around k3 to k5. I stumble into the other room, connect the regulator (I don't believe it's wise to leave it connected all the time), start huffing on the mask. I have my reg set at 10. I know others talk about 15 and 20, but maybe their lungs are bigger than mine. At 10, the bag fills before I can draw on it again, and I take full, deep breaths. I do have to seal the mask around my face with my hands to get a good seal.
I will check the time when I start breathing and then turn out the light as I prefer darkness when doing battle. I then breath slow and easy, long and deep, sometimes fast, sometimes slow, I try to do mostly long and deep breaths, though.
I will continue breathing like this while rocking back and forth standing on my feet, with my hands clamping the mask to my face. The pain will usually continue to build for just a couple minutes, then level off for a few minutes, and then, the most glorious feeling in the world, I can begin to feel the pain "drain away" for lack of a better description. It literally melts out of my head for anywhere from a few breaths to a few minutes. After the pain has disappeared, I will turn on the light to check the time. It is always anywhere from 8 minutes to 12 minutes from the time I started. I will then continue to breath the o2 hard for 5 more minutes. Don't want this beast coming back. Some folks recommend continuing for at least 10 minutes after relief, but I've found that 5 works for me.
I will then turn off the o2, suck the last bagful out of the mask, disconnect the regulator. Sigh with relief several times. Go the bathroom and drink a glass of water. Go back to bed and fall back asleep.
If I breath the o2 for twenty straight minutes with no relief, then I turn off the o2 because I figure if it don't go away in 20 minutes, it ain't going to go away and it's time to dance. This doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. Sometimes the beast wins. Wouldn't be the beast if it didn't.
My tip for the non-rebreather would be to cover the inlet in the mask with your finger when starting the o2. This will rapidly fill the bag and you're ready to rock. Also, good gaskets and valves are important in the mask. If these are leaking, you can compensate with a higher flow rate, you can try to repair/replace them, or you can do what I do and just buy a new mask when that happens. They're 5 bucks. I spend more than that on lunch.
If your going to use the non-rebreather with the welder set-up, I would recommend testing before a h/a hits. Practice breathing with the regulator set real low. If you are sucking all the air out of the bag and are ready for another breath before it refills, then turn up the pressure a bit. Keep doing this until you find the setting where the bag is filled when you're ready for the next breath. It'll take some experimenting and time, but it will payoff with using less oxygen and thereby making the tank last longer. No sense blowing more o2 into the rebreather than necessary.
One thing to keep in mind about hitting directly off the tank. The higher the pressure, the colder the air is coming out of the tank. This also can hurt the lungs. At 25 psi, the air will be colder than 15 psi.
Get a non-rebreather set-up. Yeah, the mask can be a pain, but it's still probably the best thing out there until someone invents the O2 helmet. 
I am really happy, though, that the o2 is giving you some relief, no matter what you have to do to get it. Keep up the fight!
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #7 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 2:38am » |
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Thanks for the advice. I will do that once I have a mask.
I have a 25' hose. It's not cold at all.
So if you can keep the bag full and your getting a constant supply of pure O2, what's the difference between that and using a hose?
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #8 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 5:35am » |
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o2 rocks! glad it's working for you too . . .D says it goes from where it's at, maxes out . .and then backs out . . .but it's much faster than having to wait it out. . .
*positive energy and light*
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #9 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 12:13pm » |
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Nothing technically wrong with using a hose, Superpain. Whatever works for you. All's fair in love and tangling with the beast. I know there are others here who suck straight off the hose also. My concern would be the same as Not-for-hires. In the grips of an attack, fumbling around with a standard regulator does present some dangers. A standard regulator has a wide range of pressures and the possibility does exist for using the wrong psi at the wrong time. With a mask, the act of inhaling brings the o2 into you're lungs. One of the risks with a hose is that the o2 can be forced in. But, as long as you're careful, there is no technical difference between what you are doing and a non-rebreather. The main goal is to breath 100% o2.
It's good that you're using a long hose. That does help with the temp.
Regardless of how you're using it, don't it feel good? 
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #10 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 1:25pm » |
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Actaully it hurt's like hell!
But it hut's like hell QUICKLY... So that's pretty cool!
There's not much danger in the type of regulator I'm using. I can hardly turn it fast enough to get to 25 psi... That's about 2 1/2 twists, and by the time I'm there my lungs are almost full and it's time to twist back the other way to shut it off.
But I killed the tank about an hour ago...
It's Sunday and I'm pretty sure there's no where to get it filled. I dread tonight. 
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #11 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 1:30pm » |
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Oh man! That sucks! I've run out a few times during this cycle also. Maybe you can go to a fire station or something? Otherwise, it's slugging it out the old fashioned way, right? Guess I don't have to tell you that.
Sure hope you don't run into problems restocking.
Maybe you'll have to take up welding for a hobby.
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #12 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 1:36pm » |
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Yeah, I'm used to having no meds... Or at least I was. I'm afraid I might turn into a little girl thingy bitch now after having an effective abortive for 2 nights.
Fuck that, I AM THE ZEN PAIN MASTER!!! 
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Re: My first night with O2
« Reply #13 on: Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:30am » |
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...Hey Supe! Glad to hear yer having luck with the o2....it IS a blessing, used correctly. To answer some of your questions:
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...and more than likely a waste of time. But I was diagnosed at an ER --in the little town of Deadwood, South Dakota-- and that doc has my undying gratitude.
YOU SAID:
Tell me this. You or anyone that uses, or has tried to use O2 with the "proper setup". Do you have success with it?
...Absolutely, and as mentioned, if it doesn't work in 15-20 minutes, it probably won't. Save the gas and try not to dent the wall too badly.
Do you have to wait for the bag to refill?
How long?
...Properly metered out by your regulator, and with a mask in adjustment (flapper valves working, no leaks in bag, both exterior valves INSTALLED, and THE FREAKIN elastic NECK BAND CUT OFF !!! ) --the bag should fill in the time it takes to EXHALE your slow, deep INHALE.
How many bags fill your lungs? ......ONE
How long does it take to knock out the HA? ...Usually, for me, 10-12 minutes MAX.
Does the bag waste much O2? I mean does it cut off the flow if you are not sucking on it?..... No and No
And finally what is the purpose of the bag? Because it looks like it's about 1/4 -1/5 of my lung capacity, and if the purpose is to flood your blood, why do it slowly in 1/4 lung increments?
....... YMMV ...(yer mileage may vary) ...the purpose is to deliver 100% o2--NOT mixed with room air....to give you and *idea* of YOUR lung capacity, get one of those flimsy plastic bags that you get in the vegetable section at the grocery. Take the deepest breath you can and exhale the whole thing into the bag. I think you'll be suprised at the volume. Not a whole lot more than the rebreather bag which is constantly filling up.
And why is that dangerous? Assuming there is not enough pressure to "blow you up", is it just the fact that it is raw unhumidified O2, or what?
...I guess I just figgered that somebody smarter than me came up with the rebreather mask and it works, why screw with it?
And even if it is, if you are only hitting it for less than 2 minutes, isn't that a positive? ....yep
And as compared to shooting up 2- 6mg of imitrex, how dangerous do you think it is? ....way the fuck less--that's why we preach it
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