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I would have posted this on UK CH, but in a bid to extend the pain and suffering of everyone in our country, OUCH UK has elected to ban me from their site and eradicate shrooms from the record and impose their own revisionist history on the treatment of CH.
Strange given that fresh shrooms are legal in the UK and are now being sold openly on the high street.
This means that people like me don't need to grow their own, don't need to wait until autumn to pick their own, and can go into a shop and buy them at any time.
How cool is that?
Oh - and it also means that those of you based in English speaking countries overseas who occasionally visit the UK can now legally treat yourselves in a country where English is the main language. Perhaps even on a business trip.
Give me a shout if you're coming over to Aberdeen, and we can get together.
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on Mar 4th, 2004, 6:26am, Flash wrote:I would have posted this on UK CH, but in a bid to extend the pain and suffering of everyone in our country, OUCH UK has elected to ban me from their site and eradicate shrooms from the record and impose their own revisionist history on the treatment of CH.
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Get the full information before you start slagging off OUCH UK over here.
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The OUCH Uk site is very different from the one here (luckily DJ can run ch.com however he likes)
OUCH UK is a registered charity and cannot risk any references (e.g. to shrooms, splitting or tampering with prescription drugs etc) to anything that would cause the charity trouble or cause it to lose it's charitable status. As OUCH Uk is the most wonderful power for the good in the UK, it would be terrible if it were investigated or closed.
and before you start ranting again, yes, I know AND THEY KNOW, FRESH mushrooms are legal in the UK as are growing kits, but it is illegal to tamper with the fresh state , and any post about shrooms inevitably will step over this line eventually.
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I can't be explicit here for the same reasons as above, but I think you will find that the Clusterbusters (the shroom site) and the people that set it up would say that they have a lot to be grateful to OUCH UK for.
No names, no pack drill etc , but:
So Flash or Craig or whatever your name is
You could easily have made this a helpful post with purely helpful information in it, but you chose to slag off hard working, unpaid people who do a great job.
STFU until you know the whole story
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Wendy,
I think we should take the prehistory of the shroom-saga into account here.
As far as I know it was Flash who started the discussion on shrooms here on this board. Who was flamed and defamed, but came back to tell it yet again.
It is also Flash who has been here for shroom-experimenters from the beginning, giving advice and wise counsel.
The way you seemto be telling it now, unless I read it all wrong, is that it is other people who did it all. And I know for a fact it is not so.
I am still very grateful to Flash.
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That's not what I said . You have read something that is not in my post at all. I didn't suggest anything about other people starting it all off, just that if the Flash knew the whole story himself he wouldn't be so judgemental about the people at OUCH UK.
For God's sake,
HE IS ACCUSING THEM OF DELIBERATELY PROLONGING THE PAIN AND SUFFERING OF UK CH SUFFERERS, HOW UNFAIR IS THAT!!!! 
It is just VERY UNFAIR to slag off the OUCH trustees/officers/webmaster or whoever he is directing it at, and I fail to understand why he thought this was necessary or helpful. That part furthers nothing for the shroom or CH sufferer's cause
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Wendy -
Your concerns, and those of OUCH UK, are justified to a degree. For folks in the US, understand that the UK does not have the level of freedom of speech we have here in the US.
That said, the refusal of the OUCH UK board to allow any info at all, or even a link to clusterbusters, seemed overly cautious to me, especially since so many could benefit from an inexpensive, legal treatment.
Some folks (at least one) in OUCH UK lobbied to allow the news on the discussion boards, and I am thankful. But the OUCH UK board decided otherwise, and didn't seem interested (don't know since I'm not privy to their internal discussions) in finding a compromise or some way to get the word out safely.
Seems to me OUCH UK could post links to clusterbusters (with the appropriate disclaimers) with little problem - note there is a link to here, and there is plenty of discussion here of illegal activities in the search for relief.
Many news websites in the UK have carried the reports of legal shroom sales, and one newspaper even ran a story about using shrooms to treat clusterheadaches. That web site is still operating. In the "public service model" of communication in the UK (as my professor called it in communications law class) publishing news about illegal activities is not illegal.
The OUCH UK discussion boards are closely moderated, and with a littte effort, careful messages could be allowed, and those that stepped over the line could be bounced. Surely there is no ban in the UK on informing people of what is illegal, ("Drying shrooms or chopping shrooms or making tea is illegal in te UK" as a warning to stay within the law.
But that hasn't happened, and as a result, a lot of people are suffering, finding incomplete relief, or going broke buying sumatriptan, etc.
This has made some folks suspicious that OUCH UK has another motive for banning mention of indole-ring hallucinogens. I personally don't believe that - I surely don't WANT to believe that - but what is one to think?
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Grateful to Flash,
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on Mar 4th, 2004, 6:45am, pubgirl wrote:
but it is illegal to tamper with the fresh state , and any post about shrooms inevitably will step over this line eventually.
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This seems a bit lame. It's illegal to tamper with ANY prescription drug also. Do you not discuss any medications for fear someone may step over some line?
People brake the law by speeding in their autos. How do you discuss travel plans to the convention? What if someone says they will be there as soon as they can? Must they qualify that statement with..."I will get there as soon as I can without breaking the speed limit laws."
on Mar 4th, 2004, 6:45am, pubgirl wrote:
I can't be explicit here for the same reasons as above, but I think you will find that the Clusterbusters (the shroom site) and the people that set it up would say that they have a lot to be grateful to OUCH UK for.
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Hmmmm.
well, I really dont have time to debate this whole issue, but I would be interested in hearing some details of this.
I know that some individuals have contributed to the Clusterbusters site and for that I am grateful. There are some members of Clusterbusters that are also members of OUCH UK, although I guess I shouldn't name them, (you might ban them from OUCH UK?) but I have been, and am, grateful for all they have done.
I don't have any information about any contributions that OUCH UK, as an organization, may have made. It would be nice to know since I try hard to make sure credit goes to people that deserve it.
If you'd like to give me this info in email, I'd appreciate it.
While you're at it, you could maybe find out why my account for the message board there no longer exists?
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IM waiting for you in your Inbox. There is also nothing sinister about the account I don't think. MOB set up a new, better Message Board a while ago and I think you need to register as a user again if you haven't been there for a long time.
Can all of you please realise one thing, OUCH UK supports Ch sufferers in a very huge way. No-one involved with OUCH would deliberately withhold information which might help a sufferer without good reason. You may not agree with the reasons, but
to accuse the people there (not me I might add, I'm just a body) of deliberately doing this as has been done in this thread is terribly, terribly wrong and hurtful.
It can sometime be a thankless job being an unpaid volunteer working for any of the various OUCH'es as people here must know, they don't need allegations like that. 
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Flash,
Thank you for pointing out the recent legality of shroom sales in the U.K. I think this is great news as it has the potential of helping a lot of folks out with CH - especially those that wouldnt dare touch the stuff while it's deemed illicit.
One other thought: since it is legal now, have you heard any talks of any formal testing with shrooms to be conducted? Hopefully this will lead the way.....
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Hi basically with Wendy on this issue.OUCH UK has more than one function as its a charity.Not only does it provide a site for sufferers and supporters to interact but also raises money to forward the CH cause in every way it can be it raising awareness,lending out high flow regulators or manning a telephone helpline. Significant funding has come from private companies[£7500 pounds from British Telecom for example] who wouldn't touch OUCH with a barge pole if it was associated with anything illegal.
Now I do have sympathy with the shroom issue -in fact I was moved to post on this site for the first time to congratulate people on a brilliant set of posts about that very thing!!However you can see why OUCHuk has to be very careful about the content of the site.
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In the UK we do have ways of talking about shrooms and where to buy them and letting people know about clusterbusters without putting it on the OUCH UK site by the way. We are not quite the load of anal retentives you seem to think.
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Let me make a few points and then I'll move on to other matters.
This isn't the best spot to be discussing this issue but it is the only spot it can be discussed openly. Hopefully my remarks will be taken as they are meant and not as a slam to anyone.
I don't know all the legal reasons that these things can't be openly discussed at OUCH UK. I suppose there are good reasons, but being an ugly american, they might harken back to some of the similar reasoning that caused my forefathers to settle here in the USA.
Personally, if its the matter of the non-profit status being help over your heads, the same reasoning that OUCH US gives for their hands-off approach, then I'd probably elect to send back my NP status with a letter telling the governmental agency involved, where to file it. (again, that may be my revolutionary background coming into play.)
Might as well go way out on that limb here...
I have a lot of respect for OUCH UK and all they have accomplished. Comparing the strides they have made to that of OUCH US, they are lightyears ahead.
We here, just feel they are missing an opportunity to help the cluster sufferers of the UK in a way that nothing else can.
No one, not even from OUCH US, has ever come to me and asked to discuss what changes could be made to the website that would make it acceptable to OUCH. NO ONE. NO ONE has ever asked to produce and provide a limited amount of information on a sister site.
It is a shame that people from OUCH UK must not only sneak over and ask me questions, but can not tell their friends about this treatment. People they care about. They can't even make it known what has taken away their cluster headaches. What are they saying in the UK? IMITREX cured them?
I am working on something that is taking a lot of my time. If you want to try to work out something that would be acceptable to OUCH UK (or any of the OUCH's) I am more than willing to not only produce, but to host a site that would only contain acceptable language. Take a hard copy of the site and mark it up.....take out the objectionable parts. Maybe we can just remove all references to "drying" or altering the fresh mushrooms.
Disuss it with my chief negotiator.....Flash
I have no idea what the problems are since no one has cared to discuss the matter in any detail or try to find a solution.
This is not some off the wall scam. It's not some idea without any merit. No one (from OUCH UK) has ever even asked for any data on how effective this treatment is for those that try it.
Please understand how frustrating this is, especially to the one man, from the UK (BTW) that brought this subject to the light of day to begin with. He can help people around the world, but NOT his fellow kingdom-men?? Consider coming home to find your own home and that of your neighbor on fire. You are allowed by the fire department to go and save the lives of your neighbors but not your own family. How wrong is that?
I also understand that telling a volunteer that that they aren't doing enough, is hurtful. The point being though, that no one is aking any volunteers to do any more work or complaining about the work that is being done. People are asking to be allowed to do more and are not being allowed to do so. It's also hurtful to WANT to volunteer and be told we don't want your help. 
Have your people contact my people.....have your lawyer contact my lawyer...email me and I'll give you his addy.
We'd like very much to be able to invite you all to the next Boston Tea Party. We promise not to throw you overboard.
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Lots of valid points in your post and a very generous offer -not speaking for OUCH -just me.
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Hi this is Mrs Dyno
Being a chronic sufferer who gets by with abortives (Imi and 02) and an ever shortening list of preventatives to try, and being of reasonable intelligence I am aware that the alternative treatment discussed in this thread is available in the UK in its unaltered state. Whether I choose to take that option is entirely up to me.
I think it is grossly unfair to slate OUCH (UK) for " extending the pain and suffering of everyone in our country ". That is absolute crap. Without OUCH (UK) I would still be screaming in the dark. OUCH (UK) does a fantastic job supporting sufferers and encouraging medical research.
Like all organisations it has a constitution and rules it has to abide by and, as it is a charitable institution there are further rules and restrictions on what OUCH (UK) can and cannot condone and promote in its literature and on its message board.
Some of the posters on this thread seem to think that the average UK sufferer is totally unenlightened in alternative remedies - well we're not. The fact that we choose not to shout about the medications we use is up to individual members.
We don't need another organisation criticising us and telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, saying, thinking and using. We can work things out for ourselves sometimes!
I think you will find in the UK we have the same level of freedom of speech as the US, it's just we're not so in your face about it.
I suppose there will now be another little rant here, but we don't tell you what to advocate on your site, so kindly return the favour!
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You want to slag OUCH (UK) or me - go for it ! I will stand my rep or OUCH (UK)'s against all comers with no fear !!
When you want to talk facts instead of bullshit I will be listening. Bob you have no idea how close you came today to getting closer to things 
Craig, if you want to change UK law then get on with it. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram every time you don't get your own way. Just do Cluster Busters a favour and let Bob handle it !
Shroomers dropped quite a few points on my scale today 
Oh and if anyone gets banned from OUCH (UK) I'll let you know ! It's far easier to ask the webmaster (me btw) for help than slag him off on the net.
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on Mar 4th, 2004, 3:44pm, Dyno wrote:I suppose there will now be another little rant here, but we don't tell you what to advocate on your site, so kindly return the favour!
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Well, you were right. I guess you didn't think the next rant would come from your side of the pond!!
(please notice the wink)
You (OUCH UK) don't want to advocate it, fine.
You want to do it with an underground network, fine. We used to help our slaves with one of those so I can understand the desire to help that way and understand the some of the reasons to choose that route.
I understand that you (all) feel that advocating this might jeopardize being able to advocate "anything" in the future. Fine.
You say you have the same freedoms, but decide not to exercise those freedoms fully? Fine, if that is what you are saying, but I thought the problem was that you "don't" have the same freedoms.
I'm not so sure WE have the freedom that you think we may have. I'm not even so sure about it. I'm having enough trouble dealing with the legal issues involved here in the US to even have the first clue as to what obsticles you might have.
This wouldn't even have escalated to this point except for that fact that it appears to actually be legal in the UK so maybe you have more freedom than even we do. If we're wrong, and it isn't legal, it would be nice to have it explained to us why it's not legal. All we have are the UK newspapers to go by.
MOB,
I'm not sure what you meant about "being close" but my offers stand. There appear to be things in play here that both sides don't quite fully understand and have lead to some confusion. We can't clear it up without discussion. All I care about is getting help to as many people as possible.
As to the access to the website, I'm not sure what "slag" means but I can guess and if you were talking about me, that wasn't my intent. I was actually talking to someone (wendy) that i thought might know or knew whom to ask. When I went to log on the other day, I couldn't and was told I didn't exist. I was reminded of it while I was answering Wendy, nothing more, nothing less. It was answered just fine, no problem.
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The legal situation in the UK is that you can buy fresh shrooms legally. However if you change their state EG. drying them then this is illegal. In fact if their state is changed they become a"Class A" drug same categoryas heroin and cocaine!! If you were caught supplying them in a changed state the max sentence life! [have to be honest and say not 100% sure that its life but its a hell of a long time!]
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Good point Filbert. You are correct. I'm not taking sides on this, but I just want to point something out.
There are 2 main benefits for drying shrooms:
1. Easier to measure doses.
2. After drying they can be stored for a long time.
If fresh shrooms become legal, then there is no need to store them for a long time. I guess what I'm trying to say is that drying shrooms is not a requirement for using them in treatment of CH. They can be consumed fresh. Drying is merely for convenience and ease of use. When even fresh shrooms are illegal (as in the US), then one may as well go ahead and dry them to store them (thus minimizing the likelihood of 'getting caught').
Also, shrooms (actually psilocybin and psilocin) are schedule I controlled substances in the U.S. regardless of what state they are in. It is the same class as heroin and an even more strict class than cocaine. 
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Well at last I got a response.
Shrooms, LSD (which is derived from ergotmane, and which methysergide is in turn derived from), and potentially other similar compounds such as DMT (on which triptans are based) are the most effective treatments for CH. In many cases a single dose of LSD measured in micrograms can prevent or even terminate an episode, or break a chronic cycle. In stuborn cases several doses of psilocybin measured in 10s of milligrams can provide lasting relief. In even the worst cases each dose typically provides close to 7 days PF. We even have people getting 24 hours relief from a single mouthful of tea.
Nothing else comes remotely close.
I have over 100 emails (and likewise PSM) from people all over the world telling me how these drugs have given them their lives back.
Does OUCH (UK) report success on this scale. No. At best someone gets a regulator.
Fresh shrooms a legal in the UK. It is legal to grow shrooms in the UK. It is even legal to sell shrooms in the UK otherwise these places would be closed down. It is legal to consume a fresh shroom. Doing so would potentially prevent CH for several months, perhaps a year.
It is legal for newspapers to report all of this. They can even make TV programmes about these things.
MS charities in the UK are funding research into cannabis. AND NO IT DOES NOT STOP BT MAKING DONATIONS TO THEM.
Having a post on your message board by a third party does not jeapordise your charitable or non profit making status. Otherwise all the MS charities in the UK with similar posts would be in that position.
The reasons that OUCH (UK) refuses to permit any mention of this treatment are entirely down to someone(s) personal morality, or to put it another way what that/those person(s) would like the law to be.
My understanding was that OUCH (UK) role was to help people in the UK with CH. I doubt very much that a convenient treatment or cure that is not related to these drugs will appear during our lifetimes. We are extemely lucky to have this option, however inconvenient that reality is for OUCH (UK).
An what exactly are they planning to waste the £75K on? Looking for a treatment that fits OUCH (UK)s specific criteria?
WAKE UP OUCH (UK) you are actively hindering people by denying the existence of this treatment. And if the truth hurts then believe me it doesn't hurt as much as CH does.
And yes you may address me as Flash because you aren't on my Christmas card list.
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As an aside, the main reason for my post was to highlight that people in the UK that suffer from CH may now legally treat their condition at anytime by eating a small quantity of fresh raw shrooms.
I strongly recommend doing this between episodes unless you are chronic. I also recommend using a sub-hallucinogenic dose unless you undertake to dose whilst symptomatic.
So if you are episodic, and live in the UK, you now have the ability to live PF for... well potentially forever. If you are chronic or symptomatic then this may also be the case but might take a little more effort.
The worst that will happen is that you'll get banned from OUCH (UK) of you tell anyone about it. But then, you won't need OUCH (UK) anymore - will you?
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Dyno,
If every message board had deleted my posts, and banned me from posting then nobody would no about this treatment and over 100 people would still be in pain.
What part of that are you struggling with?
I also notice a theme of inference to things that are in fact completely vapour. That's a trait I've noticed in previous communications with OUCH (UK).
Wendy - with reference to your PM I have no recall of any support from you on a MB thread at any time. But then since all those threads have been DELETED BY OUCH (UK) who knows?
Doh!
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Alan,
We're focusing all efforts on research on the US. The reason for this is that OUCH (UK) would not support me, and that leaves me with no credibility in the UK.
However Dr Goadsby, my local neurologist, and my GP have all expressed an interest in what I've been doing.
There are VERY big things afoot in the US, and if pinky would get his arse in gear  I'd post them here. I know that Bob is going to burst if he has to wait any longer heh heh.
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Re: fresh shrooms now for sale legally all over th
« Reply #22 on: Mar 5th, 2004, 5:42am » |
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Well Craig, thanks for proving my point so eloquently 
You seem to know an awful lot about how OUCH (UK) works, thinks and makes policy for someone who has posted 3 maybe 4 times in three years ?????? Oh and all the correspondence you must have had with OUCH (UK) officials to come up with your statements must have been staggering. Hang on a minute though, there never actually has been any has there Craig ?
Quote:I have over 100 emails (and likewise PSM) from people all over the world telling me how these drugs have given them their lives back.
Does OUCH (UK) report success on this scale. No. At best someone gets a regulator. |
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You're not actually serious are you ???
Quote:| MS charities in the UK are funding research into cannabis. AND NO IT DOES NOT STOP BT MAKING DONATIONS TO THEM. |
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Why would it ? these are government approved clinical trials. It has taken people years to get the government to relent and let these trials happen.
Oh I see - why hasn't OUCH (UK) done this for you
Quote:Having a post on your message board by a third party does not jeopardise your charitable or non profit making status. Otherwise all the MS charities in the UK with similar posts would be in that position.
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Actually Craig it does jeopardise all of these under UK law. UK websites are responsible for the content of their boards etc under law. Look it up Craig ! Oh and I mean the actual law not just your interpretation of it.
Quote:The reasons that OUCH (UK) refuses to permit any mention of this treatment are entirely down to someone(s) personal morality, or to put it another way what that/those person(s) would like the law to be.
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No the reason is the law. Nothing more and nothing less.
Quote:| WAKE UP OUCH (UK) you are actively hindering people by denying the existence of this treatment. And if the truth hurts then believe me it doesn't hurt as much as CH does. |
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No Craig, you are !
Quote:| We're focusing all efforts on research on the US. The reason for this is that OUCH (UK) would not support me, and that leaves me with no credibility in the UK. |
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No they probably wouldn't - but then again they have never been asked have they Craig ?
Quote:However Dr Goadsby, my local neurologist, and my GP have all expressed an interest in what I've been doing.
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Well that's really funny, he has never mentioned it to anyone else ? Oh well must be like all the rest of your statements about others.
So if it's all so cut and dried (no pun) in the UK why do you need OUCH (UK) ? Why haven't you put up a site in the UK for shroomers ? Why don't I see loads of articles in papers etc on shrooms instigated by you ? You seem very willing to put others in the firing line but reluctant to actually bite the bullet yourself. You claim to be a successful business man so money can't be the problem, just wondering what is ?
There are always problems when the 'Crusader' becomes bigger than the 'Crusade'
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Re: fresh shrooms now for sale legally all over th
« Reply #23 on: Mar 5th, 2004, 6:07am » |
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Suspect the reason you haven't noticed me supporting you over here and elsewhere is that you are deaf to anything other than the sound of your own voice.
My suggestion:
Shut up until you know how to talk to people AND LISTEN AS WELL without attacking and antagonising and putting back any good work others are doing in the "crusade" a few years.
Bob's approach has the seeds of bearing fruit, continue as you are and he is wasting his breath.
AND LASTLY, DON'T YOU DARE, PRIVATELY OR PUBLICLY SUGGEST EVER AGAIN THAT I AM LYING.
You do NOT know everything that is going on or has gone on in the past.
I will be charitable and see it as you being someone who is so passionate about the subject that they find it hard to see beyond their own experience.
The passion is great  , the closed ears, open and aggressive mouth, blinkered thinking and understanding are not
When you can discuss thing reasonably and construct rather than destroy, perhaps you will be useful.
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Re: fresh shrooms now for sale legally all over th
« Reply #24 on: Mar 5th, 2004, 6:52am » |
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Also if you learn to read that would help.The BT figure was £7500! How many e-mails have you had? Is it 100 cr 1000 or 10 make sure you get your dosing numbers right or somebody might suffer . We don't want people taking 300 mushrooms on your advice.
Your good friend Doctor Goadsby is of course Proffesor Goadsby .
Still i'm sure there must be some facts amongst all the fiction so am looking forward to the setting up of your British website in the near future! Thousands upon thousands of UK sufferers need your help .If you aren't planning to set up your own site why not? A 16 year old has just set up one so it should't be too difficult.
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