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Mushrom Liquor
« on: Jul 12th, 2003, 11:53pm » |
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Stephen Peele of Florida Mycology Research Center gives us this method of preservation (and rapid delivery?) from "TEO: The International Journal of Psychoactive Mushrooms"
How To Make "Mushroom Liqueur"
This is an excellent way to capture the taste, essential oils, and all other compounds in any mushroom. The "Mushroom Liqueur" has many uses. It can be used to extract medicinal properties in cases of Maitake and Shiitake and provide one with an end product that just about meets pharmaceutical grade! It can also be used to capture that special taste of your favorite mushroom like Morels or Chanterelles. Just add the amount of "Mushroom Liqueur" right for your taste. Leave dish on low heat and uncovered for just a short time. This will distil off the alcohol, leaving everything else in the dish, just as it was in the mushroom. It is unknown how long "Mushroom Liqueur" will hold and keep in original state, all of the mushroom compounds. "Mushroom Liqueur" held at room temperature for 5 and ½ years, still held fast all mushroom compounds. This was a sample made from Psilocybe cubensis. No change in "activeness" was noted. It is possible that whatever the time limit would be, this could be increased by refrigerating or freezing.
If you wish to prepare standards for Spectrophotometers, and use these cells to identify species of mushrooms, use Reagent Grade Ethanol instead of Rum or other whiskey.
Take 1 pint Bacardi Rum (375ml), you may select other brands or types of liquor, but keep the alcohol content at least 40% (80 proof) or better. If a clear type is used, and mushrooms contain Psilocybin/Psilocin, it may be bluish after the process, even if no spores are present or other mushroom colors. If wild mushrooms, or mushrooms bought at the store are used, this will make the end color very dark in most cases. The mushroom spores will cause this. A black tint from Panaeolus species, Purple-black from Psilocybe species, Brown from Agaricus species, and so on.
Supplies Needed: One Pint Bacardi Rum. 600 grams fresh mushrooms (fresh will always work better, but if dried mushrooms are used, use 60 grams). A large glass vessel that will hold the mushrooms plus the pint of Bacardi Rum. This vessel must have a cap that will seal tight. A strainer of some type.
Slice mushrooms up in ¼ inch long pieces (breakup dried mushrooms). Try not to make small pieces or powder up dried mushrooms. The Rum will extract just fine without having small pieces. Having no small particles will make the filtering easier. Place sliced mushrooms in vessel, add Rum, seal with cap. Shake gently to insure mushrooms are in contact with Rum. Let stand one day. Open, and with a wooden spoon, or something similar, mash the mushrooms and stir them around. Seal back cap. Do this for two more days. On the 5th day, pour out the solution through a strainer. Squeeze out slices of mushrooms to get what they are still holding. Place "Mushroom Liqueur" in a bottle that has a good sealing cap. Make any notes, date, and other remarks on a label attached to the bottle. This way you can identify each batch of "Mushroom Liqueur" you make. Also be aware that making "Mushroom Liqueur" with mushrooms that contain controlled substances such as Psilocybin/Psilocin, may be illegal in many areas, USA, even in some areas where there are no laws on the possession of fresh said type mushrooms. Also be aware that the 1 pint rum and 600 grams of mushrooms used here will yield around a 12 dosage bottle, when Psilocybe cubensis is used.
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #1 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 9:57am » |
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I seriously doubt clusterheads will get anything good out of this liqueur.
Alcohol is a trigger for most of us! Even boiled off it will affect some sufferers.
Moreover we don't "do shrooms" for the heck of it. We do it because it may for a while cure incredible headaches.
Best way for us: shroom tea at a third of a recreational dose!
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #2 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 10:08am » |
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That's intersting because a cluster sufferer once wrote that he specifically used a dose of alcohol with his mushroom tea? Not all triggers are the same for all sufferers....
I think you take a misguided offence about dosing though, I guess I took it for granted that anyone (adult/sane) would adjust for themselves according to thier own dose?
I also think you exhibit a bit of the "sham eliza doolittle ghetto morality" with your stab at any other users besides clusterheads, and I doubt your sentence of "useless to most" is true at all.
It's a shame that you think your personal medical justification is superior to any other. Good luck gaining sympathy with that attitude.
I am glad the treatment is working for you and I do sincerely suggest that a hallucinogenic dose might help to un-wedge that big phony hippocritical stick from your butt?
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #3 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 10:10am » |
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<<Best way for us: shroom tea at a third of a recreational dose!>>
Best way for you - others have to work out thier own posology (dosing), I have learned that much. The protocol is very helpful but also flexible.
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If alcohol isn't a trigger, then you DO NOT suffer from CHs period.
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #5 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 11:45am » |
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I don't think she took misguided offense to anything. I can't see anywhere where it even looks like she had. You, on the other hand, took misguided offense to her attempt to educate a fool like you. You're here to prove you're right and not to help anyone:
"That's intersting because a cluster sufferer once wrote that he specifically used a dose of alcohol with his mushroom tea?"
A sufferer once wrote? Most clusterheads do find alcohol to be a trigger. But to cover your sorry ass for looking the fool you mention one person who did something once. Bad news. You didn't cover anything.
You put in quotes something about her saying "useless to most." She never used those words. She used that idea and I suspect that you kind of sort of remembered that and thought those were her words exactly. But didn't make the minor effort to double check. That's no big deal, but it shows your laziness and lack of desire/ability to double check facts. You have no credibility here at all. And in one of your posts you claim to be a doctor. If you're a medical doctor I hope you have a LOT of malpractice insurance with that relaxed attitude to know your facts.
I'm just curious. Would you like a special invitation to get the fuck out of here or can you figure out that after attacking Ave, one of the more knowledgable and helpful people here concerning CH and one of the more pleasant people here too, that you are not welcome anymore?
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #6 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 11:53am » |
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I am leaving the thread. Look at what is in here! (pew!)
<<I seriously doubt clusterheads will get anything good out of this liqueur. Alcohol is a trigger for most of us!>>
<<But to cover your sorry ass for looking the fool you mention one person who did something once. Bad news. You didn't cover anything. >>
look - take it or leave it but spare me the "sorry ass" righteous martyr bit.
<<You have no credibility here at all.>>
Where besides here do you have any?
<<I'm just curious. Would you like a special invitation to get the fuck out of here or can you figure out that after attacking Ave>>
I think she attacked me first sport
<<If you're a medical doctor I hope you have a LOT of malpractice insurance with that relaxed attitude to know your facts. >>
Now you are just ranting to rant - don't worry, I think I'll be fine.
You all be careful out there with your legal risks too sport....
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #7 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 11:53am » |
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I'm not quite as eloquent as Ted, so I'll just respond with a really big.....
DITTO WHAT TED SAYS!!
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #8 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 12:10pm » |
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It was only posted for those who wanted to read it and because of the questions put forth about preservation and rapid delivery systems for patients - no one told you to do anything and I thought you had minds of your own. I'm not used to writing to a non-professional audience and won't anymore. Who would?
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For the record Dr. Goadsby sez "Patients should be advised to abstain from alcohol during the cluster bout. Otherwise, dietary factors seem to have little importance in CH."
Running for cover,
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #10 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 12:25pm » |
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drkarlb,
I thought the post was an interesting read, but you were rude to ave, when she was just stating what all clusterheads know.
I think that posting on this board that.....
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isn't quite a professional attitude.
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You seem to do pretty damn good at it.
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on Jul 12th, 2003, 11:53pm, drkarlb wrote:| This is an excellent way to capture the taste, essential oils, and all other compounds in any mushroom. |
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This point especially useful, I hear many take the psilocybe for their exquisite aroma. Yuck!
on Jul 13th, 2003, 12:10pm, drkarlb wrote:| I'm not used to writing to a non-professional audience and won't anymore. |
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I'm really wondering who your professional audience is, does it take everthing at face value und doesn't ask any questions? Is in your elitist circles discussion a taboo?
Drkarlb, did you have a bad batch of shrooms for breakfast?
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Please may I step into the flames!
First off am I not correct in thinking that alcohol is not a trigger for absolutely everyone?
It is however a trigger for me. Having said that I always consume alcohol with my shrooms - even during an episode. I find that the shrooms completely remove any alcohol induced CH's. This is also an interesting way to see the effect of the shrooms. Consume the alcohol about 30mins prior to the shrooms - time it just right and the shrooms will blow off the headache. I am probably the guy drkarlb was referring to. In that case he's done his homework.
Also I think this method of preservation is an excellent one, especially for us between episodes when alcohol has no adverse effect on any of us. And... as I have been going blue in the face telling people, dosing between episodes is (at least in my case) far more effective than dosing at any time during the episode. So this whole nonsense of being sensitive to alcohol is not an altogether valid point.
I like this idea because it's quick, easy, requires no specialised chemicals or equipment, and there is less chance of getting caught, since you get rid of most of the evidence. Use an amber coloured rum - being a publican I'd recommend Appleton Special - and it won't even noticably change colour. For those of us that gather their shrooms fresh it is ideal. In fact I think I posted a similar message to drkarlb not that long ago and I didn't get my ass flamed.
drkarlb may or may not be a Doctor of Medicine, since, fucking Chiropractic, pharmacology - who knows? I may be a 13 year old eskimo girl for all any of you know. You don't even have my picture. That's just the way of the Internet, as is jumping down someone's throat. I know I do it all the time. In fact I'm worse than you 6, except maybe for Ted  Also some of the biggest idiots I've ever met have been Dr's of some sort, and some of the brightest haven't, so who gives a shit? The guy knows about mushrooms, that's for sure.
Drkarlb's original text had nothing shitty in it. Ave's had one shitty sentence. Since then it's reached gutter level.
Grow the fuck up. All of us!
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #13 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 2:32pm » |
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 ok moron first off there are no professional doctors in this mest up world. cause if there were we would have no pain to go through. they are all practicing. they know no more than what they are taught.. only a genious nows it all and somtimes they can be airheads..and if you new anything about the pain we suffer from you would be here to help us not make fun at us.. if i were smart enough to be a doctor i would try and find a cure or a good pill for ch...and make big dough. but im not im just a broke hillbilly. trying to live day by day with the ch pain .... so have a good day goober and leave us the hell alone...
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Heh heh. Don't say you weren't warned numbnuts.
So medicine isn't a profession? And a Dr of ANYTHING (astronomy, pharmacology, necrophilia, dogsex, whatever) is just practicing.
And WOW apparently you've cured me since I no longer know anything about the pain you suffer. Even though I've had it for the last 17 years.
Oh my heart bleeds for your suffering. Not. Actually I couldn't give a shit. There are people out there far worse off than us. We got it easy, unless we choose otherwise, lie down and figure out how to get on medi-care, or whatever the fuck your welfare state is called. Personally I'm not into that.
If you knew anything then you'd know that this thread is in fact about that very pill that you'd like us to make. What's more even a broke hillbilly can afford it cos it's totally fuckin free.
Furthermore... NEWS FLASH:
Most of the other people that responded to this thread have at least tried to treat themselves with mushrooms. Some with a great deal of sucess.
If you don't like the topic, then go read some other fuckin thread and leave us the fuck alone. Goober.
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I think flash is right on this one, after reviewing the good Doctors last ten posts there seems to be no intent to sell snake oil or mislead anyone. Ave, Ueli and Ted have overreacted to a post that had nothing but good intentions. Have at it kid’s I’v been there B-4.
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #16 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 6:13pm » |
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Who said he was selling anything , Lee? He was very rude to Ave because he took it as a personal assault that Ave dared to inform him about our condition, triggers (not mine since alcohol isn't one of mine anymore since the first time I did shrooms for treatment) and treatment with shrooms. So, in his style, I corrected him where he was wrong. The initial post had good intentions. It was his defensiveness leading to being an a$$hole that brought about his replies.
Did it really take you two reads and a background check to see he wasn't selling anything in his first post? 
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Ted, you are right about his response. Not what we need here, however he say's he doesn't have clusters. So is he having a bad day? I don't know. Why is he here, I don't know. Doe's he know anything that might help us, I don't know.
But I will listen to anyone, anytime if there is a chance some good will come of it.
This guy, Dr., may have some info for us, we can kick his ass off the board or listen a little longer. Surely it is up to the general population, not a select few. Is he selling anything, I could not find it, maybe you could point it out to me.
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When I am in a CH cycle, alcohol gives me a clusterheadache within 5 min of consumption, of any amount of alcohol. I stand by my words. A true CH victim knows that even a few sips of a beer or otherwise will trigger a CH.
And from my little experience with mushrooms, I seem to remember its effects taking almost an hour to kick in.
-HypnoticFreddy
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on Jul 13th, 2003, 11:44am, HypnoticFreddy wrote:| If alcohol isn't a trigger, then you DO NOT suffer from CHs period. |
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Tell that to Jonny!!(go ahead I dare ya!! LOL)
Manners,insults,offense aside weather real or
percieved,I can see a couple of useful points here,
1-Storage time! 5 years WOW!
2-dose amount,I would rather swallow a half or quarter
shot of this "Mushroom Liqueur" than choke down
a cup of ,IMHO,NASTY tasting tea.
3-12 recreational doses=24-48 clusterhead doses all
from one batch,therefor possibly making it easier to
get the same dose every time without accidentaly
taking more than you want or expected to take.
Pain free wishes to all,
Billy
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on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:03pm, forgetfulnot wrote:| Ave, Ueli and Ted have overreacted to a post that had nothing but good intentions. |
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Overreacted? Lee, could you tell us your definition of this word?
The only one that overreacted was drkarlb, more than that, his conceit shot him into orbit.
There is a lot of complaining on this board how some newbies get driven away from the beginning. But don't 'discussions' à la mode of drkarlb, and other expert 'stand up guy's, contribute to that?
As to 'not selling anything': Let's say, not yet. Maybe you noticed that his home page does not exactly show pictures of his kids and dog.
PFNADs
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By the way Ted this is perfect.
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Going down for the count, Lee
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Ok Ueli, here we go again, sorry but the point has already been made, if you don't get it I will go into hibernation as my European brothers don't seem to get it.
Lee
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #23 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 9:54pm » |
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Hey HypnoticFreddy,
You are of course free to stand by your opinion: "If alcohol isn't a trigger, then you DO NOT suffer from CHs period".
This statement is not based in reality. I don't doubt that it's quite true for you and for most episodic sufferers.
It is definitely not the case for all CH sufferers.
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Re: Mushrom Liquor
« Reply #24 on: Jul 13th, 2003, 9:58pm » |
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on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:52pm, forgetfulnot wrote:| This guy, Dr., may have some info for us, we can kick his ass off the board or listen a little longer. Surely it is up to the general population, not a select few. |
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Surely it's up to him and not a few or the general population.
on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:52pm, forgetfulnot wrote:Is he selling anything, I could not find it, maybe you could point it out to me.
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on Jul 13th, 2003, 6:13pm, Ted wrote:| Who said he was selling anything , Lee? ...Did it really take you two reads and a background check to see he wasn't selling anything in his first post? |
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