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Success with shrooms
« on: Apr 18th, 2003, 10:59am » |
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I guess since Flash’s thread is up about a shroom disaster, this is good time to post about a halfway decent success story with shrooms. I dosed Monday night. I don’t know whether I was more scared about dong them, or more scared that they wouldn’t help, but I was scared shitless. I was just at a point where I didn’t care. Considering the fact that I had never done anything remotely like that in my life; my concerns were great. The thought of not being in control of my mind (no smart ass remarks here…  ), scared me almost to the point of forgetting the whole thing. But, with the support of some great people here, I managed to work my nerve up. The hardest part was going without imitrex for the 36 hrs. preceding the ingestion. Dramamine helped with that part.
The effect I experienced were, as pinky explained to me, a textbook case of a Level 1 experience. I can’t say I enjoyed the time, but it wasn’t scary or bad. After the first 2 hrs., I just slept. Or, as my husband put it, I was a boring date. I had read that there could be a hangover period the next day, but I didn’t notice that too much. I did notice that I never got hit…..that definitely caught my attention. The next night, I woke up as scheduled, an hour and half after going to sleep, and lay there in bed wondering why I was awake. My REM visit always comes at that time, but it was not there! I just rolled over and went back to sleep with a smile on my face.
On Wed. evening, I had a pretty good shadow, it was strong enough to start worrying about, but it went away by itself in about 15 minutes. The only way to describe it is that you could feel the ch trying to break through, but something was stopping it.
Thursday was PF. My family was in shock….they, and I, couldn’t remember a time when I had gone that long without being hit.
Last night, 1 ½ hrs. after going to sleep, the beast returned. It wasn’t the usual straight up out of bed screaming hit, but it became bad enough for a shot of imitrex. Three totally PF days, and just one hit last night isn’t too shabby. Today there is no shadow, no sense of dread. My husband actually told me I seemed like my old self to him (old being the operative word!...... ;D)
I am keeping careful records of every twinge and shadow…..maybe if I read it on paper, I’ll actually believe the unbelievable results.
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #1 on: Apr 18th, 2003, 11:49am » |
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Rox,
I'm so happy to hear that you're getting some relief. I have been wondering since Monday on HSG how you've been doing.
Good fer you ... and I'll withhold my "control of my mind" comments for a later date. ;D
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #2 on: Apr 18th, 2003, 4:27pm » |
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Cool Rox. That's how it was for me, CH feeling like it was trying to break thru but couldn't. Hopefully you get rid of the 'chronic' cycle or at least turn the CH silent like what happened to me. It's always good to have someone there, no need to be scared in that case.
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #3 on: Apr 18th, 2003, 8:21pm » |
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Awesome!! Just the idea of getting a break. I Hope it lasts Roxy. ...........mj.....
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #5 on: Apr 19th, 2003, 6:03pm » |
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Aren't you suppost to do the shrooms again for like 4 days to break a cycle??????
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #7 on: Apr 20th, 2003, 12:24pm » |
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A quick update: I dosed again last night, and again it knocked me out cold. Slept through the whole experience. Stayed up the rest of the night, but when I finally went to bed around 4am, my usual REM headache woke me up. It wasn't the same asskicking ch that I usually get, but was bad all the same. 02 killed it, but it returned again and again. Every time I would fall back asleep, within a half hour, it would be back. It came back four times. I don't know if this is normal or not.
I have been told that sometimes you can get hit hard the first 24 hrs. after dosing. I'm just wondering why it didn't do this the first time I dosed.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated,
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #8 on: Apr 20th, 2003, 1:54pm » |
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My thoughts on this are stop the shrooms. As nice as it is to be pain free, shrooms are dangerous.
Just please Be careful
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #9 on: Apr 20th, 2003, 5:49pm » |
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Roxy,
Great that you are getting some relief!!
Remember it is OK to take your oar out of the water long enough to hit the beast on his head.
Caution is a good word.
Send some of your pain North - I'll take some for you!!
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #10 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 12:30am » |
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on Apr 20th, 2003, 1:54pm, kissmyglass wrote:My thoughts on this are stop the shrooms. As nice as it is to be pain free, shrooms are dangerous.
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Kev,
Can you please qoute some "studies" that prove shrooms are dangerous? Something that says they are more dangerous than "any" prescription medication regularly used to treat clusters would be nice.
Roxy,
The first 24 hours following the first 8-12 hours of relief after injesting shrooms, are "usually" a little worse as far as the number of attacks...for me. Each subsequent dose then lengthens that PF time following the 24 hour "hangover" period. (once again, in my case)
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #11 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 1:59am » |
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on Apr 21st, 2003, 12:30am, Pinkfloyd wrote:
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Thanks Bob, for those words. I'm hoping they prove true in my case. Today has not been pleasant, to say the least. And now, I'm awake just out of sheer terror of falling asleep. I know it takes time to break the cycle, especially in a chronic. Guess I'm just a tad bit impatient... 
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #12 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 10:14am » |
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Bob,
I'm not an expert. This is what I have "studied" first hand, with my own eyes...20 something years ago when we were teens we partied, had fun blah, blah, blah. My firend Bruce's drug of choice was shrooms. He was a very healthy ,center for the football team typical young man. One day something happened in his brain & he never came back from his "trip" NEVER. He is now 40 ish & locked up in a psyche unit where he has been for the last 20 years. I'll never forget the time he came banging on my door @3:00 A.M. (one of many)with sheer terror on his face screaming "The fluffers & the nippers are after me". He has been a total basket case for the last 20 years.
Will this happen to everyone? No. But if there is a one in a million, even one in a billion chance that it can happen to my friend Roxy then I don't like the odds. So stop giving her lame advice on something that is illegal. I don't want her to be Bruces new roomie.
You stay comfortably numb pal....
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #13 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 10:30am » |
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on Apr 21st, 2003, 10:14am, kissmyglass wrote:| My firend Bruce's drug of choice was shrooms. He was a very healthy ,center for the football team typical young man. One day something happened in his brain & he never came back from his "trip" NEVER. |
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Kev:
The reaction of your friend is probably a VERY rare case. As a kid, I did them regularly (and LOTS  because they were damn-near free!  ), as did a lot of friends of mine. I have never heard of anyone losing their mind, due to shrooms  . (Other drugs, yes, I know of a few BUT in each case it was a bad case of abuse.)
I'm sure everyone here understands your concerns, but in small amounts they are relatively harmless.
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #14 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 10:39am » |
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Kev,
I'm sorry you had to go through that experience...
But...Pinkfloyd is not giving rox lame advice...he's quite the guru on this subject.
Please go look at the FAQ on fungus therapy. We take such a MINUTE amount...nothing near recreational. No overdosing.
You are both trying to help Rox and care for her, pink giving his advise, you giving yours.
But ya know, Imitrex could make her have a heart attack and die too...so we all weigh our pros and cons on our therapy choices.
http://cobracreations.tripod.com/ClusterBusters/faq.html
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #15 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 10:42am » |
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I realize it's a rare case but like I said one in a billion is odds I don't like, seeing what I've seen.
You shroomers, who probably know a lot more about them than I do, use in every post words like "in my case" & "usually" & "relatively harmless". The brain is a fragile thing, you just don't know.
I want Roxy pain free as much or more than anyone just want her to use extreme caution...
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #17 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 10:52am » |
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I said when I was a kid I did LOTS of them (I've never done them for CH, and haven't done them recreationally in more than 10 yrs). Compared to the miniscule amounts that people are using here, I probably did enough to get a RHINO high, with NO side effects whatsoever.
I understand your concern (even though I think it is unfounded). Did you ever think there was something else that may have affected/effected your friend?
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #18 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 11:33am » |
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on Apr 21st, 2003, 10:52am, Mastifflvr28 wrote:absolutely totally agree Kev,
Think we all should do ANY cluster therapy with extreme caution!
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I totally agree. This was a decision I made after months of research, studying and hours of hard thinking. I thought about alternative methods every night I had to use the trex 5-9 times, and could feel my chest tighten up; then waking up and having to use the trex 3-4 times the next day.
I understand and really appreciate Kev's concern. If I had had that happen to a friend of mine, I'm sure my decision would probably have been different. I just felt I had reached a point where everything I tried was a risk in some way. I have a problem with any type of drug, be it a naturally grown one, or a prescribed one. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.
I do know that the shrooms have made a difference in my head. I didn't think so yesterday when I was getting hammered, but the REM hit skipped me last night, and today the shadows are gone. I knew that there was a chance I could get hit hard on the day following the dosing. But, today.....the shadows are gone, and I've been almost 12 hrs. without a hit.
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #19 on: Apr 21st, 2003, 3:23pm » |
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on Apr 21st, 2003, 10:14am, kissmyglass wrote:Bob,
Will this happen to everyone? No. But if there is a one in a million, even one in a billion chance that it can happen to my friend Roxy then I don't like the odds. So stop giving her lame advice on something that is illegal. I don't want her to be Bruces new roomie.
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Very cute, that PF quote Kev.
I again ask for ONE study showing dangers of psilocybin and permanent damage it has caused to the millions of people that have used it, many times in huge amounts. Just one study will do Kev.
There are plenty of "disclaimers" used by everyone that they shouldn't be used by people that are suffering from "pre-existing" mental conditions. I (and you) have no idea what other problems your friend may have been suffering from before injesting psilocybin....if thats even what he used to *trip* on that day. There are MANY hallucinogens available to the people that want to trip for the fun of it, as in your friends case.
I can guaran-damn-tee you that more people have been permanently harmed by the medicinal use of oxygen than the medicinal use of psilicybin.
So I'd be very careful about what *you* prescribe for your friends.
Example......Someone here just did 6 times his normal dose of psilocybin and had a very bad experience...
What type of experience do you think he would have had, had he done 6 shots of Imitrex by mistake? How about 6 times the normal dosage of Topamax or lithium or Depakote?
Believe me, I can understand your (and everyone's) apprehension with the use of psilocybin....based upon a personal experience or the years of propoganda, or just the fear of an unknown. It took me a long time before *I* tried it.
It helps everyone to be cautious and it helps to hear stories like yours just so that everyone takes a good hard look at not only the treatment but also at themselves prior to trying this.
All I can say is that there is plenty of evidence that EVERY prescription cluster medication comes with, proven dangers...including death. After 40 plus years of our government telling us how dangerous psilocybin and its relatives are, there is NO proof. The proof that it is an effective AND safe treatment for clusters is building.
Prove to me that psilocybin mushrooms are more dangerous that NONI juice and I'll continue the discussion.
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #20 on: Apr 22nd, 2003, 8:24am » |
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Ok, I gotta admit to my confusion.
I used to do shrooms as my trip of choice when I was younger. Everyone talks about ch doses being less than recreational doses. Either we had some seriously potent shrooms, or my brain is rather susceptible to psylocin. A gram each as a teen with my friend would be more than enough to have lots of grins and giggles and major philosophical break throughs. (not to mention great coding on the puter)
Can someone shed some light on why my recreational doses of younger years would be so much stronger than what folks talk about now as a miniscule amount?
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Re: Success with shrooms
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Cat?
Was that one gram fresh or dried?
The USUAL weight talk around here is about Cubensis dried. I'm not sure of the other species and thier potentcy.
Dang...Pinky, I can't find the conversion chart for "fresh" vs "dried" weight...do you know where it is? (It's been a long time, lol)
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Re: Success with shrooms
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on Apr 22nd, 2003, 8:24am, catlind wrote:| Everyone talks about ch doses being less than recreational doses. Either we had some seriously potent shrooms, or my brain is rather susceptible to psylocin. A gram each as a teen with my friend would be more than enough to have lots of grins and giggles... |
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on Apr 22nd, 2003, 9:06am, Mastifflvr28 wrote:| The USUAL weight talk around here is about Cubensis dried. I'm not sure of the other species and thier potentcy. |
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This brings up a very interesting question. Does anyone know the relative potency of Cubensis as compared to 'Liberty Caps' or 'Blue Bells' (that grow wild on the west coast)?
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #23 on: Apr 22nd, 2003, 10:35am » |
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Mast, that was dried weight in tea.
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Re: Success with shrooms
« Reply #24 on: Apr 22nd, 2003, 11:13am » |
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On Kev's behalf, info on shroom toxicity:
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