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long term shroom use
« on: Apr 13th, 2003, 6:15am » |
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Indole-ring hallucinogens (shrooms, LSD, etc.) work well for most clusterheads who use them properly. We have found there is a range of effectiveness: some need only a few doses to wipe out an entire cycle. Others seem to have to dose weekly for months. But when they work, they work well, reducing the most recalcitrant beast to mere shadows.
But this is a new treatment, with no formal research. One big question: how long will they work? It’s common to hear of an effective cluster medication to lose its effectiveness after a couple or a dozen years. Has this happened ton any one using the hallucinogen treatment?
As far as I know, Flash has had the longest success - about 8 years, based on his posts. The earliest reports of success on this board were in 2000, bit many of the folks who tried it then haven’t been back to the board since.
Has anyone had the shroom treatment stop working?
And if any of you who tried the shooms back in 2000 are still hanging around, please let us know how it’s going.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #1 on: Apr 30th, 2003, 10:57am » |
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I've just tried shrooms, but with absolutely no success. I did one dose of a gram. I felt fine while the effect lasted (about 6 hours) but headaches continued on their previous schedule after that.
Five days later, I tried again, this time 2.5 grams. This was sufficient to reach a VERY psychedelic level of effect. But again, as soon as I started to come down, the headaches resumed, exactly as before.
Is it worth trying a third dose, or am I just spinning my wheels?
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #2 on: Apr 30th, 2003, 2:32pm » |
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Fungo,
Gotta be your call. Some people say it takes a few doses to work.
You may be like me though. Last cluster I tried 4 pretty high doses spaced out over 5-6 days between and it never phased my attacks. They kept right on coming.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #3 on: Apr 30th, 2003, 5:08pm » |
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Fungo --
Bob could be right. There are some folks the shrooms don't seem to do anything for...the exceptions. And Bob P, for all the work, and research and support he's put into the shroom therapy, certainly deserved better...(sigh).
Some folks do need several doses before seeing complete relief, but most see at least some improvement - reduced frequency and/or intensity of attacks - after the first dose, and certainly after the second.
What other medications are you using? Some medications, (sumatriptan, for example) will interfere with psilocybin, but they usually block the psychedelic effects as well as the theraputic. If you got high, drug interaction is probably not the problem. Chronics seem to need more doses to find relief...are you chronic or episodic? When did you try the second dose? Sometimes it takes a day or two for improvements to show.
Should you dose again? It is your call. But if you have the time and don't mind the trip...
It's not clear, some folks say that after a certain point, say trip level 2, higher doses don't seem to provide additional therapeutic advanatage, though my limited experience seems to show that a larger dose MIGHT provide for a longer period of relief, though I am by no means sure of this. And some think that too large a dose, trip level 4 or 5, may be less effective or even counter productive.
We just need to know more. If you do try again, let us know how things go.
Thanks for the report. It is more important we hear of the failures than of the successes.
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In my case it is now 10 years, although the relief obtained during '93 & '94 was accidental and due to recreational use of LSD when I was young and brave/stupid.
fungo...
First off higher doses don't improve your chances, 1g or even 1/2g will do just fine. Trust me - I know a lot about this treatment.
Second, are you taking any other medications? I have noted that those using Predisone tend to have a significant failure rate. Obviously triptans and ergot alkaloids are also a no-no. Best also to avoid booze and analgesics during treatment (that goes without saying).
Third, the treatment is at it's least effective during the episode, especially at the HAs peak cycle. It is at it's most effective between episodes. This time I dosed at the very beginning of my episode and intitally nuked it. Then, right after, I caught a lengthy virus that disrupted my sleep for a month. The episode returned and I dosed again. I still suffered HAs for another 9 days afterwards, but now they have suddenly quit. My usual episode would last 1 month. As has happened previously, the only part I experienced was the peak of the cycle (a bit of a shock without the build up).
Fourth, imagine your Doc prescribed one triptan (there are several) and it didn't work (has been known to happen). What he'd most likely do is prescribe a different triptan. If that failed then he'd prescribe another closely related drug such as an ergot alkaloid. The same must go for shrooms. There are dozens of species of shroom out there. Some people argue that they all contain the same active ingredient (true) and that they should all work in the same way (false). It is well documented on shroom sites that different shrooms produce mildly different effects. Some come on faster, some produce a smoother trip, some produce more pronounced effects. Perhaps you should try a different species. Just steer clear of Amanitas (not known to be useful for vascular headaches, and much riskier).
If a different species doesn't do the trick then there is always the 'dark side', LSD, mescaline, ibograine, DMT, LSA. You name it, provided it's got an Indole Ring structure there's a strong possibility it will alter your HAs. Some of these hallucinogens can still be purchased legally from suppliers over the net - not all are illegal.
Fifth, if you are unfortunate enough to be chronic then it's likely to take several attempts anyway - but not always 
Have your HAs altered in anyway whatsoever? Are they longer, shorter, more frequent, less frequent, more severe, less severe? Bear in mind that subsequent to taking the shrooms this episode my HAs became longer, more severe, and less frequent. The episode then terminated after only 9 days (or it sure looks that way since my last HA was Sat night). So the shrooms clearly had an effect!
There is always the possibility that this type of treatment may not work for everyone. We don't have accurate figures on that yet but it's somewhere between 5-20% is my best guess based on what I've seen reported.
I hope this feedback is of some use to you.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #5 on: May 1st, 2003, 3:54pm » |
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on May 1st, 2003, 6:05am, Flash wrote:| First off higher doses don't improve your chances, 1g or even 1/2g will do just fine. Trust me - I know a lot about this treatment. |
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While low doses work well for Flash, other experimenters have reported different results. There are several who are absolutely convinced that the higher doses give them better results. Everyone's body chemistry is different.
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I can speak only for myself, but there seemed in my case to be a definite correlation between prednisone use and decreased psilocybin effectiveness -- to the point where even the psychedelic effects were greatly diminished, even at multi-gram doses.
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I am one of those people. Psilocybin is psilocybin, psilocin is psilocin. And actually, once it enters your bloodstream, psilocybin is converted to psilocin anyway. In my opinion the perceived variability (and even this variability is a relatively subtle one) in psychedelic effect between various species of mushrooms is most likely a question of the amount of psilocybin and psilocin the various species contain. And this is just discussing the psychedelic side effects. I think it unlikely that it makes any difference whatsoever to the "cluster-busting" mechanism. I may be wrong about this, but I think switching to a different hallucinogen (such as LSD) would make more sense than switching to a different mushrooms species.
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Agreed. I don't believe we have seen a reported failure yet with LSD, for example. Of course, the data base of experimenters with LSD is still quite small. so this may be just a statistical fluke.
Fungo, I believe it is definitely too early to give up after two doses. I would suggest trying at least two more doses at a slightly lower level before tossing in the towel.
Also, we have at least two reports of people who seemed unable to end their cycle with large, widely-spaced doses of mushrooms, but had great success with treating the individual headaches with very small doses of shrooms for each headache -- like drinking a tea made from 1/4 gram at the first sign of an impending attack, or even just sticking a small piece of dried mushroom under the tongue and sucking and nibbling at it. Sort of like an organic Imitrex, but with longer relief periods. You may want to give this tactic a try.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #6 on: May 2nd, 2003, 2:05pm » |
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Thanks to all for the excellent info!
Here's some more detail. I am episodic, with clusters of about 6-12 weeks every two to three years. I'm currently about three weeks into a cluster, taking NO medications at all. I've previously tried Sansert and Indomethacin (sp?) and been dissatisfied with both. Also ENORMOUSLY dissatisfied with the clowns who call themselves neurologists, but seem to scoff at the degree of pain I'm experiencing. Hence I'm determined to cure myself without such professional "help."
So far, the cycle seems relatively mild. I'm getting 2-3 headaches nightly, easily aborted by meditation/panting. (Similar to Plan B.) Had one bad day after first shroom dose, where a milder HA didn't seem to want to go away. This was tedious, but not agonizing. Don't know if it was related to shrooms, or just one of those days...
Now, it is possible that the shrooms have moderated the whole cycle. However, I was disappointed not to experience any obvious remission after each dose. In fact, both times as soon as I started to come down, I first noticed shadows, then got a full-blown headache. No other change in the cycle apparent.
The first dose of 1g got me to a nice rosy buzz (level 1? I'm not yet sure of the nomenclature). After seeing no result, I felt a higher dose would be in order. About 2.5g taken 5 days later got me to level 12 (how high do they go? Believe me, I was ALL THE WAY out there...). A great trip... but as soon as reality hove in sight, so did the headaches.
On the plus side, no side effects comparable to what I've had with prescription drugs. And no worsening of the cycle. Hence, on your advice, I think I'll try to continue with low doses for another few times -- subject to availability! I've been very fortunate to obtain what I've had so far...
I'll keep you posted as to any further development.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #7 on: May 3rd, 2003, 7:15pm » |
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on May 2nd, 2003, 2:05pm, fungo wrote:| Now, it is possible that the shrooms have moderated the whole cycle. However, I was disappointed not to experience any obvious remission after each dose. In fact, both times as soon as I started to come down, I first noticed shadows, then got a full-blown headache. No other change in the cycle apparent. |
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Several others have reported this same effect for the first dose or two -- it's sort of as if it gets worse before it gets better. This could be an indication that the psilocybin is likely having at least some effect -- disrupting the normal course of the cycle, though not immediately in the direction you want it to go *grin*.
I don't know of anyone who has had that continue past the first few doses, though -- the usual trend is for the painfree time between doses to lengthen after the first few.
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Here ya go :
Level 1
This level produces a mild "stoning" effect, with some visual enhancement (i.e. brighter colors, etc). Some short term memory anomalies. Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound "wider".
Level 2
Brighter colors, and some subtle visual anomalies (i.e. things start to move and "breathe" , some two-dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. Change of short term memory leads to distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in creativity becomes apparent as the natural brain filter is bypassed.
Level 3
Very obvious visual distortions: everything looking curved and/or warped, patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or "mother of pearl" surfaces. Closed eye images become three-dimensional. There may be some confusion of the senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors, etc). Time distortions and "moments of eternity".
Level 4
Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously). Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out of body experiences and e.s.p. type phenomena. Blending of the senses.
Level 5
Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects, or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived ceases to exist. Satori enlightenment (and other such labels).
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Yes, please do. Every report we get adds to our knowledge. Since there are no formal studies, we are forced to gather our own data.
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So Flash are you saying that if someone is in cycle every 6 months, they should dose 3 months after a cycle finishes, even though there are no shadows? ???
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Exactly, and only a very low dose is required - say 1/3 gram dried cubensis. The dose should then be repeated every 6 months. From my experience someone following that schedule will go years without anything worse than heavy shadows.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #10 on: May 5th, 2003, 4:33am » |
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this should piss a few people off......
all this talk about shroom use is bullshit. it sounds to me like it works for alot of people, to be high on shrooms, but at the same time, why not just do a little herione? if your looking for an escape from your chs, do some good drugs! i myself would rather take 12 pills a day and carry around an o2 tank to try and control my chs than take shrooms and just watch the walls melt. one thing about chs is that it takes your normal quality of life away. so does shrooms. its kinda like trying to put out a fire with an oily rag. dont live your life on a crutch, its no life worth living.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #11 on: May 5th, 2003, 7:39am » |
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Yeah, Nathan, I know what you mean. Those shrooms really ruined my quality of life.
I don't get to haul oxygen tanks around wherever I go. I don't get to shoot myself up with incredibly expensive drugs. I don't get to fight with insurance companies to get them to pay for those drugs. I don't get to take steroids and to swell up like a balloon and walk around on arthiritic joints. I don't get to beg opiates off ER docs who think I'm a junky...no fun at all!
I have to sleep all night long, and I never get to wake up a 2 a.m. and pace around the house, slamming my head against the walls and furniture. How I miss that!
And when I go to work, I have to stay at work all day! No ducking into the john to inject myself, no hiding in the supply closet pounding on the boxes of copy paper, no ducking out of meetings in the middle so my co-workers don't see me moaning and beating my head on the conference table. And no "air of mystery" about me and why I do all those strange things. It's just no fun anymore.
It really sucks. I have to eat these horrible tasting mushrooms, and then I have to take an entire afternoon and giggle, and smile, laugh at stupid tv commercials, listen to music - and I'm just fooling myself. I KNOW that music doesn't really sound that good! I know that sit com really isn't funny. I know the trees in the back year are really ugly.
Then, a week later, I have to take another afternoon off to get high!
Luckily, I only have to do that twice, but then things really get ugly. I can expect two whole months with hardly any attacks. A few shadows, maybe a KIP 6, then, nada! For two whole months! Boorrrring!
Worse than that, the last time I did those nasty shrooms, I got over a year pain free. Hell, it's been nealy 16 months without a cluster attack! I've almost forgotten what the beast is like.
So here I am, living with a crutch, hobbling around without getting to argue with doctors, fight with insurance companies; I don't get to alienate my wife and scare my kids. I don't have to quit my job or take disability. Haven't seen the inside of an Emergency Room since I don't know when. And I never get to take heroin. Bummer.
Yeah, Nathan, this pain free business really sucks. Glad you posted. Come back and troll more often.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #12 on: May 5th, 2003, 2:05pm » |
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i dont troll, i strut.
im glad the shrooms work for you and you dont have to do it that often to go pain free. one trip is well worth a year of bieng pain free. but what about the people that try it over and over and over again, using lsd on top of it and saying that it works as long as their high. do you really think bieng so high you dont even know whats real and what isnt is worth not going to the e.r. or carrying an o2 tank?
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Re: long term shroom use
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Quote:| but what about the people that try it over and over and over again, using lsd on top of it and saying that it works as long as their high. do you really think bieng so high you dont even know whats real and what isnt is worth not going to the e.r. or carrying an o2 tank? |
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Nathan,
Can you please point me to a person who has said this??
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Re: long term shroom use
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That's a troll, son.
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Never heard anyone say that.
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Yes.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #15 on: May 5th, 2003, 5:13pm » |
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Hi Nathan. That's a strong statement that 'all this talk is bullshit'. Just curious, have you ever tried shrooms? Thier destructive potential is EXTREMELY overated. I have no doubt in my mind that alcohol use is more destructive and claims far more lives than shrooms... and yet alcohol is legal without a prescription. Anyway, the high itself is no good for treating CH. It is the theory that the psilocin occupies the 5HT receptors therefore having an effect on the serotonin system that clusterheads are most interested in. In fact, it is very difficult (if not impossible) to achieve a constant high on shrooms or LSD because it takes awhile for the 5HT receptors to clear.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #16 on: May 5th, 2003, 6:40pm » |
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ok lets forget all that for a second and think about it this way..... arent shrooms illegal????? there HAS to be a legal version with out the "side effects."
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« Reply #17 on: May 5th, 2003, 7:20pm » |
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on May 5th, 2003, 6:40pm, Nathan wrote:| ok lets forget all that for a second and think about it this way..... arent shrooms illegal????? there HAS to be a legal version with out the "side effects." |
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Illegal?? Thank you Mr. Ashcroft. LOL...So is suicide! Flame any grieving family members lately?
NO ONE using shrooms uses them to treat individual headaches.
You don't need to take enough to make the walls melt for it to be effective.
Taking it once every 6 months so that the clusters never come back is completely different than what you're "surmising."
You most likely get higher than we do, every Sunday that the Packers play (Hey, I'd drink too if I was a packer fan).
Yes we use them to forget about clusters.....after they've been gone so long, you tend to forget about them and go on with your life.....without 12 pills and an 02 tank.
When MY wife wakes me up in the middle of the night....she ain't grabbin for an 02 bottle my friend!!
You don't have to do any shrooms....many people don't for various reasons.
Just be sure to update your sig line every year.
You really should do a little research before you comment on something you know nothing about.
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« Reply #18 on: May 5th, 2003, 7:25pm » |
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You bring up a good point Nathan. If memory serves me, Sansert was developed in the wake of LSD discovery, it kinda is based on the same indole-ring hallucinogen strategy. But it is different, and now is no longer being manufactured widely ($$$$$$). In my opinion, the side effects of Sansert are far worse. Also, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (aka, prozac, paxil, zoloft, serzone) are supposed to be based upon the same theory of 'occupying 5HT receptors', but once again, they are slightly different. I have tried many SSRI's and they had no effect on my CH. In fact Paxil caused me to experience a ghastly month-long withdrawl (http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71/petition.html)... and yet the government won't classify paxil as a controlled substance... hmmm ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$). Too bad the federal governments have classified psilocybin as a schedule I substance thereby stifling any research. Imitrex ($$$$$$$$$$$$$) is also believed to work on the same principle of occupying 5HT receptors.
It is important to note that psilocybin is illegal in many nations, however alcohol was illegal at one time also (prohibition). Governments can hardly be considered as the final word on morality (for a while the US government was on the wrong side of the segregation and Civil Rights issues).
So, there have been legal attempts at mimicing indole-ring hallucinogens. But, a mimic is just a mimic, and not the real deal.
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Most CH drugs that act as vascular constrictirs have evolved from Ergot alkaloids. Triptans are not too far removed from these. All have some sort of indole Ring structure.
LSD and Psilocybin work because they produce a hallucinogenic effect - the same reason they are controlled substances with "no proven medical use". Hence you can get opiates and narcotics on prescrition but not hallucinogens.
If you take away the side effect the substance stops working. Methysergide (Sansert) is LSD with the useful part taken out. It's much more dangerous and far less helpful to us.
I take a sub-hallucinogenic (that means a dose that has little in the way of side effects) of shrooms once every 6 months between where my episodes would be if i wasn't taking shrooms. The effect is similar to 3 beers and I get no headaches. Between 1987 and 1993 I had 12 months total CH. Between 1993 and now I have had <3 months total CH. Without shrooms and LSD I would have suffered through 20 months during that time frame.
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Re: long term shroom use
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well like i said, i knew this would piss a few people off.... mission acomplished! now a little bit about the guy you hate so maybe to defend myself...
yes, i have done shrooms, lsd, pot, booze, you name it...in my time. i hated shrooms but when i was a younger man i did more acid than jim morroson! so im not trying to bash drug use. i am chronic with my chs, as i ve said before 3 years of attacks every other day and several times a day. (do the math, i dont wanna). so i understand COMPLETELY about wanting to get rid of the pain. before the chs, i used to have a life. i used to play guitar (sometimes on stage) play video games, i was all state in high school wrestling so i liked to keep in shape. i have a wife and 2 children and liked to do all sorts of things with them. after the headaches started my routine changed. i had already quit the drugs because they made me feel worse than better after a while and then i gave up alcohol because it was a trigger. no more playing guitar or games because you never know when the beast is gonna attack. no more excerisice because.. whats the point? why stay in shape when you think about killing yourself every other day? the wife and kids are still here, but i think divorce is on its way and i cant say i blame the woman. in short, i lost my life. i sit around waiting for an attack then lay around because the attack wiped me out.
however... now im on 12 pills a day (neurontin, tiazac) and i have the o2 for back up and i havent had an attact for 2 weeks. im beginning to notice life again and have no idea what to do with it. but i cant imagine losing it again on porpose (drug/alcohol abuse). if it works for some, great. if it doesnt work, trey something else. just dont keep using just for the sake of using. there is a wjhole world out there were missing.
if i pissed any one off this time, im sorry in advance. ---N
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #21 on: May 7th, 2003, 10:13am » |
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Well, here's the best reason to do shrooms: they work!!
Update: on Saturday, I took my third dose. Just 1g this time. Very mild buzz, no real psychedelic effect. As on the previous occasions, headaches hit as soon as the dose started to wear off, late that night. Next day, I had sort of a tension headache -- dull pain in the middle of the forehead.
The next night, Sunday/Monday night, was the first in three weeks where I had NO cluster attacks. Previously, I'd been waking up every night with 3 or more.
Monday, again, dull "tension"-style headache. Monday/Tuesday night -- no cluster headaches.
Last night, Tuesday/Wednesday night, was my third in a row with no CH attack. I still have some mild and fading forehead ache, but I'm seriously beginning to think my cluster may have been terminated!
Of course, I've been fooled before. So, to minimize disappointment, I'm taking it one day at a time. And, of course, it's possible that maybe the cluster is doing this on its own. But right now, I'm having a remission after just three weeks, where previously my shortest clusters were at least a month. Also, my clusters inevitably rise to a horrific peak before abating. This one has been extremely mild throughout, and seems to be simply fizzling out.
So, tentatively, I think we may have another positive result! I'll certainly post any further observations to this thread, but you can undoubtedly imagine just how great I'm feeling at this moment.
Thanks to all the "pioneers" -- and especially Flash -- for the tip on this remarkable treatment!
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #22 on: May 7th, 2003, 10:40am » |
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That's typical of how it goes for me when I abort during an episode, although unfortunately I usually get the full brunt of the peak week, the rest of the episode is wimpy, and mostly consist of shadows.
I am still shadowing at present but nothing to write home about. This is my second full week of shadows. The headaches themselves last 9 days in total followed by 2 weeks (so far) of shadows. Still too scared to consume alcohol though 
For dealing with the shadows the following helps me:
Cold air from the air conditioner in the car.
Cups of green tea.
Excitement.
Exercise.
Regular sleep of 7 hours per night. Not oversleeping.
Getting up in the morning even if I'm shadowing.
Eating small meals at regular intervals.
I will warn you that occasionally a shadow will break through into a full blown HA - don't worry this doesn't mean things are taking a turn for the worse, it just happens from time to time. Usually though the HA is low kip and subdued, although it may last several hours. No idea why this is.
I hope your exerience serves as encouragement to anyone else that has taken several doses with no apparent effect. I stand by my assertion that small doses are more effective in my personal experience.
My guess is that worst case scenario these shadows or stuffy/tension type feelings will follow the usual duration of your episode.
Hope you are clear soon.
Flash
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #23 on: May 8th, 2003, 10:08am » |
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Flash: you're probably quite right in your predictions. I am experiencing some shadowing, and last night (my fourth headache-free) I was almost concerned that the cluster was resuming. If it does, I'll proceed with a fourth dose of shrooms. If not, I won't, since, at least in my case, they seem to first worsen the attack, then weaken it.
But it is definitely true that at this point I'm having the mildest cluster I've had in many years. Furthermore, the shrooms - especially at the 1g dose level - have the fewest and the least objectionable side effects of any medication I've tried.
Even the results I've had so far are sufficient to put shrooms in the "miracle drug" category. It's idiotic and infuriating - in fact, downright criminal - that this treatment isn't being made more widely available to CH sufferers.
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Re: long term shroom use
« Reply #24 on: May 13th, 2003, 1:03am » |
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Update: over a week since my last headache. Lots of weird shadows, pangs, twinges and whatnot... and no way of knowing how many are real or imagined. In any case, no real headaches, so needless to say I'm still very happy with the result, after just three doses. A fourth dose is ready, but so far still unused...
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