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Hello all,
in your upper neck area is located the brainstem. it controls almost all of your internal function. Lots of headaches are a result of your top bone called the atlas being locked out of postion and interfering with your brainstem area. Go check out www.uppercervical.org. This may help end your quest for health. if you have anymore questions about this you can email me at subluxationskill@hotmail.com I practice this procedure and see miraculous things happen everyday. Good luck
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
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gee drew, what might you do for a living? ever had a cluster? i'm gonna guess no. i am not trying to be nasty but you already got away with saying " subluxations" twice on this very real forum, made up of people with a very real (and definable) condition who are by and large very sick of people (especially wannabe docs) offering "AS SEEN ON TV REMEDIES" to a problem that they dont have a clue about and have no intention of looking into in a pure research environment.
if you wish to prove me wrong why don't you join us at the upcomiming convention and offer some FREE treatment to substantiate your claim!
i am sorry that i don't know you personally, but i have been bent and twisted in every which way and it has not a f##k##G thing to do with why we are here!!!!!!
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
« Reply #2 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 12:55am » |
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Tim,
I am sorry that you went to a chiropractor that did not help you. First of all I would like to know hwy you are so angry? How many medical doctors have you been to that did not help you? And how many people have I seen tonight who have postings about all the doctors they ahve tried which have not helped. I am mystified by your anomosity towards me and perhaps my profession. Their is more than one way to look at human function and disease and more than one way to try to correct health problems. Just because you have been raised in a medical society and that is the norm does not mean it is right or it is the only way to approach a problem. In fact i myself would say that the medical establishment has done a pretty poor job of being the gatekeepers of health in america. After all of the billions of dollars that have been used for so called scientific research can you please name a disease that medicine has cured???????? And I would love to speak with you more about the nature of health and yes I would like to meet any of you who suffer with cluster headaces in an attemp to help those that are suffering. Obviously you are misinformed about the upper cervical procedure. Before you convict me of being a quack I would like you to inform me about what it is I do. Since you are so sure that I am a secodn rate doctor and the procedure that i do for my lively hood is so bogus, dont you think you might want to first know what it is that I do. How can you even have a discussion or a debate about a subject when you only know one side? Please respond I would like to discuss this further. And by the way there are over 25o procedure sin chiropractic. Not all are created equal. Just as some medical doctors have operated on the wrong knee, or prescribed too much of a drug and killed a patinet so to are there incompetents in all professions. Dont throw the baby out wiht the bath water.
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
« Reply #3 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 2:57am » |
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from a ha'er point of view...
Drew has brought up some interesting points, and while I may still seek further treatment, I have been going to a chiropractor for the last, oh...6 years or so? I have tried more than one. I have had migraines for 8 years and ch for about a year now.
For me no luck. Perhaps others will.
Drew, glad you have conviction about what you do, and for some it will be the cure, I do believe that! Just keep in mind, that your way is not THE way for all, much like everything else we here around here 
Having said that, glad it's been brought up!
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Drew,
is it possible that the cervicogenic headache community would be more greatly affected by chiropractic care than would cluster headache sufferers, and in a more positive way? Just thinking 
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
« Reply #5 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 9:18am » |
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Well, well. I need a little tension release today, and along came Drew.
First of all doc, meegraines originate in the brainstem, clusters from the hypothalamus. Back to the books for you.
Second: Cluster is not a cervicogenic headache, although cervicogenic headaches are sometimes mistaken as cluster. Cluster is a neuro-vascular headache. Sorry, nothing to do with bones or their alignment.
Third: If your posts have lead a true cluster sufferer off on a quest for a bone alignment cure, and by doing that caused them to suffer longer (since there isn't a cervicogenic cure for clusters) then I don't think I like you very much.
The point is, a headache is not a headache, is not a headache. They aren't all the same. You should learn something about clusters before you just do a web search for headache and profess your cure. You are probably doing more harm to clusterheads than good.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 10:43am » |
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Bob,
I am glad that you are up on your research. And I am glad that you think that the brainstem is somehoe unrelated to the hypothalumus. First off Miraines are do to a vasoconstion of the vasculature(causes aura) and then a rapid vasdialation(causing the pounbding headache and other associated symptoms). Blood vasculature is controlled by the vasomotor nucleus in the brainstem. Second the hypothalamus and the thalamus have direct links with the vestibluar aparratus again in the brainstem. Before you start shooting your mouth off about anatomy, and neurology just remeber that scineces and anatomy are evolving. Medical scinece has made one blunder after another. Do you remeber that the casue of disease was do to the blood so blood letting was done. woops guess that wasnt a good idea. Now we suscribe to the germ theory to disease and genetics, that too will fall by the wayside. bob I have aquestion for you . Lets say that the hypothalamus is where the dysfunction is coming from. What is causing the dysfunction????? That is the question you want to answer for yourself. That is what produces a lasting change in the healht status. I honor your opinion but if you worship books and people who are educated you will never progress your thinking! AND ONE LAST THING TO ALL- when i talk about chiropractic i am talking about a specialty within the profession called IPPER CERVICAL CARE. This is a totally different procedure thatn the popping twistng and pulling that goes on in most offices out there. before you make comments about it educate yourslef about the care i am speaking of www.uppercervical.org www.blairchiropracticsoc.org. And thirdly yes you are right. Upper cervical care is not A CURE ALL. No procedure in the healing fields is. With that said the reason peole get sick or go into dysfunction is that there is an interference in function. Some of that is nerve interference, some diet. others poor water, stress, and yes some genetic tendincies. However genetic s dont always predestine your healht state!! Good luck to all in your quest for health and healing
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 12:14pm » |
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Mr. Subluxationskillwrote:
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Have you never heard, by example, about antibiotics that cure many infection diseases and have added about 2 or 3 decades to our life span?
Are you really a doctor or did you get your degree over the web from a banana republic?
Above quote is a typical statement of the snake oil pedlars: Denying any success of school medicine and claiming their "natural" hanky panky is a cure-all for anything.
For those interested, here is a bunch of links to this subluxation scam.
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
« Reply #8 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 12:26pm » |
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Doc,
I'm well aware that the hypo controls vasoconstriction / dilation. Mainly through hormonal control, 5HT, effecting the smooth muscle surrounding the vessels. I am also aware that the hypo is located in the mid base of the brain and not in the brain stem. I am also aware that many internal functions (body temperature, digestion, sex, fight/flight, etc.) are controlled by the hypo in the base of the brain, not the brain stem, although the hypo may cause glands/organs to send signals through the brain stem.
What is causing the disfunction in the hypo? I wish I knew. The Italians are however mapping the clusterhead genome as we speak, so we should have the genetic part of the puzzle answered in a few years.
Of course, since 80% of clusterheads are episodic, there is really no need for your treatment since their necks must fix themselves, hence the remission from the headaches after a few weeks.
Here is a picture of hub's brain. I've marked the hypo. The last cervical joint is plainly visable also. I'm open to how a misalignment of that joint makes my hypo tell the pituitary or pons and other glands to secrete hormones or not, to constrict or dialate blood vessels, to give me an aura (which by the way clusterheads don't get, but of course you knew that, that's why you mentioned it, duh) which causes the migraines that clusterheads don't get. So before you start shooting your mouth off about how to cure our headaches, learn what we suffer from.
But of course, since we don't get migraines, why the heck would we care?
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
« Reply #9 on: Mar 13th, 2003, 2:34pm » |
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Hey BobP: just wondering if you used "Occam's Razor" * to slice ole hub's skull.... ;D
*[Top] 1.6: What is Occam's Razor?
Ockham's Razor ("Occam" is a Latinised variant) is the principle proposed by William of Ockham in the fifteenth century that "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate", which translates as "entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily". Various other rephrasings have been incorrectly attributed to him. In more modern terms, if you have two theories which both explain the observed facts then you should use the simplest until more evidence comes along. See W.M. Thorburn, "The Myth of Occam's Razor," Mind 27:345-353 (1918 ) for a detailed study of what Ockham actually wrote and what others wrote after him.
The reason behind the razor is that for any given set of facts there are an infinite number of theories that could explain them. For instance, if you have a graph with four points in a line then the simplest theory that explains them is a linear relationship, but you can draw an infinite number of different curves that all pass through the four points. There is no evidence that the straight line is the right one, but it is the simplest possible solution. So you might as well use it until someone comes along with a point off the straight line.
Also, if you have a few thousand points on the line and someone suggests that there is a point that is off the line, it's a pretty fair bet that they are wrong.
The following argument against Occam's Razor is sometime proposed:
This simple hypothesis was shown to be false; the truth was more complicated. So Occam's Razor doesn't work.
This is a strawman argument. The Razor doesn't tell us anything about the truth or otherwise of a hypothesis, but rather it tells us which one to test first. The simpler the hypothesis, the easier it is to shoot down.
A related rule, which can be used to slice open conspiracy theories, is Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". This definition comes from "The Jargon File" (edited by Eric Raymond), but one poster attributes it to Robert Heinlein, in a 1941 story called "Logic of Empire".
...there's other good stuff on this page:
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Re: most headaches are caused by nerve interferenc
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Hey Sublux,
I've reread your post above a couple of times and each time it amazes me more.
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First of all, somehoe is that broad over on 4th street who will grease your bearings for $20. What's she got to do with the hypo?
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Wrong again. Miraines are them soldiers from Georgia who gonna kick Sadam's ass. The only vasoconstricing they gonna be doin' is when Sadam's fanny be puckerin' up.
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No wonder you can't trust a doctor any further than you can throw him.
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Actually, they do still use leeches to let blood and it's very good for restoring circulation to parts of the body that would otherwise need amputation.
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I can go along with germs causing disease but I really don't think germs cause genetics.
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So the way to progress in your thinking is not through books and educated people. Are we to assume then that your theory of clusters coming from a misaligned neck didn't come from any book or source. You just thunk it up all by yourself?
Actually, the more I read through your posts, the more I just have to shake my head, being careful not to tweak my neck and cause a cluster of course. It's been fun doc but I realize now that I shouldn't have wasted my time.
Please be sure to pass along any successful results you have in treating clusters with subliminal luxation.
(shit, I'm gonna feel like a real idiot if time proves the good doc correct!)
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Thank you subluxationskill for starting this string. It was very entertaining and brought a big grin to my mug. Thanks, I needed that.
Of course I think you're a snake oil peddler and one day will probably hurt someone, but hey, that's what mal-practice insurance is for. Right? And about the learning from the uneducated……….I learned a lot. I learned you haven’t found the spell check button yet.
Ueli, right on as always.
Bob P, you were magnificent, in truly great form tonight.
Hub, does that hurt when Bob does that to your head?
Thanks for the laughs. I can go to Vegas a happy man.
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Drew,
I told you they didn't want to hear anything that simple. The board regulars try to chase off anyone that doesn't think like them. I do believe there are more people out there that have been helped by your method. It is just that not very many of them are willing to say so because of all of the bull shit they receive afterwards. Don't give up. If you can help just a few, you have helped more than those that badmouth anything they don't agree with. Good luck and hang in there.
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on Mar 13th, 2003, 10:52pm, terrylch wrote:Drew,
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Me too. I believe many people out there have been helped by a chiropractor. But not for their cluster headaches. Don't believe us? Read Doug's posts on the subect, our resident clusterhead and chiropractor.
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Even though we dont see eye to eye you actually made me laugh with your posts and responses to my spelling. I really dont have time to carry on an argument with you that realy accomplishes nothing because you are unwilling to look outside your limited way of thinking. However I would love to take care of as many of you that suffer with cluster headaches as possible in an attempt to change the encrusted medical thinking that pervades many individuals. It is sad that you reject the thought of anything outside of medicine as worthy. In fact I believe you will suffer with your cluster headaces for the rest of your life with your current way of thinking. Hopefully inspite of you not becasue of you the intelligence within your own body will figure out how to adapt out of the problem itself. Afterall no doctor heals anything all he does is facilitate. Egos are what get in the way of progress. I in fact do wish you luck in your quest for health. Maybe someday you will find your way into an upper cervical practice like the medical doctor found his way in my office a few weeks ago. His eyes were opened to a new world. You see we dont see the world as it is we see it as we are. Ponder that one for a moment. Godbless
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on Mar 13th, 2003, 11:23pm, subluxationskill wrote:| ...However I would love to take care of as many of you that suffer with cluster headaches as possible in an attempt to change the encrusted medical thinking that pervades many individuals.... |
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That's terrific, doc. And wanting to do it for such noble reasons makes me think you'll be doing this for free, right? After all, your motives ARE "to change the encrusted medical thinking that pervades many individuals." and NOT to try and make lots of money off the hopes of people in incredible pain and who may be vulnerable to quacks. RIGHT?
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First i want to ask you this. Do you work for free?>????
Yes I got into upper cervical care becasue it changed my life. I suffered with debilitating symptoms; fatigue, sub occipital headaches, extreme fatigue, night sweats, low back and neck pain, dizziness, nausea, and more. Anyway I went through at least 10 medical doctors was unsatisfied with their options. luckily i ended up in an upper cervical office and my life has never been the same since. This is why I got into CHIROPRACTIC. With this said I would love to prove to you the efficacy of the procedure and would be glad to offer you free care if no results are obtained. If you get results and are free of you rpoblems I would like to know what it is worth to you.
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subluxationskill......
Don't know what Bob you were just talking to so I'll take it for granted it was the other one.
You say "inspite of you not becasue of you the intelligence within your own body will figure out how to adapt out of the problem itself"
I say "I hope the hell my body figures it out real soon. It's been 30 years now and I'm tired of waiting. But, until my body figures it out I'll contiue to see my doctor."
And thank you for the offer to help but you are NOT going to touch my brainstem.
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I didnt expect you to take me up on the offer. Again i love people who are unwilling to think and look outside of the box. How would i thouch your brainstem. i am just curious. what is it that you think I do?
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on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:05am, subluxationskill wrote:Ted
First i want to ask you this. Do you work for free?>????
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Nope, Subluxations-kill. But I out snakeoil salesman at no cost.
on Mar 14th, 2003, 12:05am, subluxationskill wrote:| If you get results and are free of you rpoblems I would like to know what it is worth to you. |
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Ahhhhhh. Always a good line to use to start off the closing in sales negotiations. Let them make the first offer so you don't offer it at a lower rate then they'd offer. "Gee, honey. Maybe we should buy that timeshare."
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I would like for you to tell me what upper cervical is. Please tell me. You are labeling something of which you know nothing. Please inform me about what it is I do. And after you do then we can have a discussion. Please elaborate. You live on one side of the street. Ever walked across the street to see what it is like. You are like the fool that hates balck peole because you have been taught to think that way.
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Let's take some of your comments one at a time.
i love people who are unwilling to think
Unfortunately in your trolling the net for pain victims you came across CH.com and thought you had the perfect victims. Wrong! You found very intelligent people who do think.
How would i thouch your brainstem.
You wouldn't. If you even tried you'd be in very serious pain for a long, long time.
what is it that you think I do?
I think you surf the internet looking for suckers to sell your bullshit.
I practice this procedure and see miraculous things happen everyday
Are you a TV preacher? An evangelist?
or just a scam artist?
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OK. The upper cervical is the vertebrae residing in the neck. What it is you do is troll around websites devoted to medical conditions and try and con people out of their money.
And since I don't know what a balck peole is, how can I hate it? Or are you offering to work on people's peeholes? You're not touching my brainstem or my peehole.
Goodnight, Subluxations-kill. I have an HONEST job to go to in the morning. Nice laughing at you tonight.
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Good night sublux.
Good night Ted.
Good night all.
It's been fun. Let's do it again soon. 
I'm off work soon and
I'm going to Vegas. 
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For anyone who still thinks this guy is on the up, here are a couple more things the web site says it helps:
"For example, a man who was having severe neck pain woke up one morning realizing that after a few weeks of Upper Cervical care, his allergies were no longer bothering him. Or the woman who was having severe back pain and got under Upper Cervical care, noticed that her diabetes was getting under control. Or another woman who underwent this type of healthcare for headaches and neck pain, and noticed after several weeks that her life-long inability to eliminate well was gone. She was having normal bowel movements for the first time in her life. "
Now you gotta wonder, if these guys can control diabetes or cerebral palsey, why haven't you heard of them before? You'd think that kind of stuff would be headline news.
It hasn't helped Drew though. Unlike the lady above, he is still full of shit.
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