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Nasser
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While searching the internet to find more information on reflexology and CH I came across this link
http://www.reliefzone.com/headaches.html
It is promoting a head instument that does similar work of accupuncture or reflexology
However, the information on that page seemed logical to me and provided me with comfort about the methods I am using and applied by my reflexologist..
Has anyone tried this instrument???
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #1 on: Oct 7th, 2002, 3:57pm » |
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How much more crap are you going to post?
Some cheap website, that tells us CH originates between the skull and the scalp?
I give up.
Nothing personal Nasser, but people here don't need this shit. You'd know that if you really had CH instead of migraines.
So go and lay down in a dark room and FUCKING STAY THERE!
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Nasser, please "Think logic"!
The web site you have given is a collection of medically sounding words (know to every layman) strung together with some abstruse ideas that have no resemblance with modern medical knowledge, like abnormal blood circulation agitating nerve endings which produce agonizing distress and helplessness.
The only purpose is to dazzle the unwary reader and to lull him enough so he is ready o spend his money for some useless (or even harmful) gadget.
Please excuse us, but we rather stick to "medical researches financed by drug companies and they only understand profit & more profit from drug sales" (a quote from one of your posts).
After all they are responsible that most of us live longer and in better health than our ancestors a few generations back (have you ever heard of, by example antibiotics?).
To answer your question "Has anyone tried this instrument?" I have listed all threads from this message board about this gadget. Read them attentively and you will see that not only SteveY and I are opposed to your point of view.
Ueli
New device for instant pain relief???????
Question on new relief
Relaxica Instant Tension Reliever?
"Relaxica"--snake oil or legit?
Relaxica????
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Relaxica
Is It Just Me?
heard of reliefzone?
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #3 on: Oct 7th, 2002, 8:35pm » |
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Great. One can lighten his wallet or max out the Visa on this useless crap. The one thing you and your ilk will find on the CH.com boards is that we all have pretty good bullshit detectors. We don't even need them for this thing.
Not enough room in the woodwork for you?
Oh well.....laughter is the best medicine
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Hey Nasser... Your name wouldn't happen to be Bob Havers, would it? And how much money do they pay you to come bug us into buyin' this scam?
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #5 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 10:50am » |
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If I offend folks, too flipping bad. I'm a bit offended myself.
I don't tolerate rude idiots well on a good day and today is not a good day. My headaches have been hitting daily for over a week, I hurt now, I have to go to a pissing contest business meeting soon, and to make matters just dandy, I HAVE to win the contest.
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Arrogance and pretend expertise reduces the value of this site. Where else should a person go to ask questions such as Nassar has asked?
Pretend experts are dangerous. They shut down the legitimate search for answers by spouting archaic beliefs. None of our 'experts' seem to be able to tell us exactly how and where our headaches originate, yet they sure are certain enough about what is not causing our headaches. They are confident enough of their 'armchair expertise' to feel obligated to be rude and obnoxious to folks who ask questions that our 'experts' don't approve of. This guy isn't even making a controversial statement, he's asking a question.
Nor do any of our self proclaimed experts know which exact method will relieve our pain. Yet, at the same time, our 'experts' can immediately identify what won't work without wasting time on evaluation or analysis. Must be nice.
Our 'experts' keep rattling on about magic pills that were designed for some other use, have nasty side effects, limited effectivity, and that cause us to be dependent upon chemical companies for our well being.
Comments like the ones seen here are inappropriate to productive discussion. Such remarks are just as inappropriate as would be inserting trash talk about our drug dependant folks into each and every topic where somebody mentions a pill.
After all, drug dependance is drug dependance regardless of who is pushing the pills. When you cannot live pain free unless you have a certain drug, you weaken yourself. Your dependance puts you under the power of outsiders. You must have money to buy your drug. You are reduced to begging for your drug if your HMO or doctor limits your doses or tries to take it away. You have to hope that your drug is still available when you need it. You are screwed if your drug provider stops producing that particular drug or decides to increase the cost of that particular drug. Not much different from street addiction, is it?
Fortunately for the peace of this forum, those of us who prefer not to get on that merry-go-round, or who see drugs as a temporary measure to be tolerated while we search for better answers, don't believe that it is our mission in life to trash talk folks who are being taken for a ride by western medicine. We are apparently better behaved than some of our drug users.
We are all searching. If there was an easy answer, none of us would be here, would we? Each of our 'experts' MAY have found something that works for them - at least until their bodies become tolerant to whatever drug is helping them get by. Others have not found what they need and are still searching.
I'm not saying that this site Nassar found is legit. I have not analyzed it and so I'm no more qualified to comment upon it than were our 'experts'. I am only saying that his question deserved far better reception than a display of ignorance and trash talk.
TO OUR ADMINS
Perhaps we need an 'alternative therapies' forum so that folks who insist on magic pills won't have to be irriated by reading about paths that others are exploring.
It's important to remember that many 'smoke and mirror' therapies of 5 or 10 years ago - herbal remedies, biofeedback, toxin cleansing, etc - are going mainstream in spite of the way that western medicine, parmaceutical companies, and 'magic pill' proponents lobby against them. It's happening because many of them work.
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If Nasser was really looking for an answer, he would have searched for it. He did not, so therefore it's far more likely he just wanted to draw attention to a website that is more than likely not legit. Therefore, he is in effect spamming us, which is not tolerated on any forum.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #7 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 12:47pm » |
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Rude? Me?
I'm not even warmed up yet.
To answer a few of your points,
Arrogance and pretend expertise reduces the value of this site. Where else should a person go to ask questions such as Nassar has asked?
Mars?
Pretend experts are dangerous. They shut down the legitimate search for answers by spouting archaic beliefs. None of our 'experts' seem to be able to tell us exactly how and where our headaches originate, yet they sure are certain enough about what is not causing our headaches. They are confident enough of their 'armchair expertise' to feel obligated to be rude and obnoxious to folks who ask questions that our 'experts' don't approve of. This guy isn't even making a controversial statement, he's asking a question.
Read ALL his posts, then look up treatments on the OUCH website.
Fortunately for the peace of this forum, those of us who prefer not to get on that merry-go-round, or who see drugs as a temporary measure to be tolerated while we search for better answers, don't believe that it is our mission in life to trash talk folks who are being taken for a ride by western medicine. We are apparently better behaved than some of our drug users.
You go and inhale some steam and take herbs if you like, I'll stick with western medicine.
I'm not saying that this site Nassar found is legit.
We agree on something then.
TO OUR ADMINS
Perhaps we need an 'alternative therapies' forum so that folks who insist on magic pills won't have to be irriated by reading about paths that others are exploring
As you have been a member here for a full 7 days, can I suggest that rather than change the site to suit your needs you go and form a site of your own and take Nasser with you www.crapthatdoesnotwork.com
Finally, can I say that this board is at times funny, sad, entertaining and enlightening. It is never boring, it also helps to have a sense of humour when you post, so chill out.
Hope you have a better day tomorrow.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #8 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 12:58pm » |
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Listen Guys..It could be a scam.
I have looked at all the pictures posted and there is not a single close up.. It looks like some kind of gogles with a small box on the front
I cannot see how it can apply accupresure and so on..
But the written introduction about HA and the muscle tone made a lot of sense to me especially it matches the information given to me by my reflexologist.......may be with different terminology..
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #9 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 1:03pm » |
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Steve, your posts are usually pretty funny. Just wanted to thank you for the laughs. Don't go by my opinion though. I'm just a pretend expert on humor.
Hey jonny. I think Starfire falls into the category of telling us how the board should be run after just getting here. Therefore, Star? Screw you. No one cares if you're offended or about your meeting. really. Not one single person.
"Pretend expertise," huh? Many of us have spent years researching CHs and, quite honestly, are experts. What gets shut down is BS claims of things that work and accept and propogate things that do work. Hence you'll see the shroom theory discussed here a lot, which, by the way, was only accepted here after MUCH scrutiny and skepticism. But, because of it's legitimacy it did make it through here. WaterX3 is another case in point. Now, if you don't like reading about why certain snakeoil gizmos are quackery then skip by the posts and buy yourself every single thing someone mentions here. As a matter of fact, some people advocate masturbation as a cure. So feel free to try it out and go fuck yourself!
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #10 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 1:19pm » |
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uh?
My two cents (of Euros):
I agree on the poor (inexistent) content of this crap.
I never believed in reflexology, scientology, fu@kology and, go figure, accupunt...urology. I never believed in my urologist!!!!
But, why you are mad at eachother for this? If I post s#it, only poor people would use these devices. And I'm not (nor Ted, sorry friend!) the person that can change their poor ideas.
Then..... let's laugh at this crap, and stop here.
It's risky to attack someone on weird things. Next day you'll discover that your best friend USE it!!!!
So, I'm not "accommodating" or "nice", or "good man".... but .... it is only risky and not useful to do.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #11 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 1:27pm » |
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No problem, Riccardo. But I do disagree with you. We've had many people coming here asking about quackery and HAVE changed there minds on wasting their money and time on it. It's a pretty good track record, although not perfect. So, with education we can and have changed people's minds on it.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #12 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 1:32pm » |
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May be, Ted.
I think that, if a person can change idea so quickly, so quicky can return to his.... bad habits.
But I don't want to say you're wrong, what I have said can't apply to all the mankind.... for sure.
I just want to stop a bit that fighting... ;D ;D ;D
Ciao
(oh if you reply now, I wo'nt answer... I'm coming home now.... you have to wait until tomorrow )
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #13 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 2:05pm » |
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well i dont know if my question yesterday on massage was quackery or not. i do know i am real glad i spent my money on my neuro what ever the hell its name was massage. especially after the little girl given it streched my head and neck using the portion of her body she chose for leverage.  i think i am going back tomorrow and tell her the front of my face hurts ;D. oh goody goody i am setting my appointment now. 
come on everyone in with the good air out with the bad.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #14 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 2:09pm » |
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Screw pain relief. What's your neuros number? 
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #15 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 2:29pm » |
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Hi Ted, good advice but wanking and sex is far from my mind when the big one strikes, getting a stiffy (woody in USA?) is impossible at the time I reckon.
Alternatives to drugs is what most people really want. As you say some tried and tested methods are here, some VERY ILLEGAL that could land you in jail if you get caught, others like waterx3 may well help too if you really drink enough which I doubt most people have the willpower to actually do. As you may know I have had success with my detox diet. If I could just get more people to give it a go instead of flaming the idea then maybe we could add it to the list of scrutinised alternatives who knows.
I saw the funny Relaxica device earlier this year when researching during a ch episode, it comes up near the top of an internet search! but soon found evidence of it being BS. But people are gullable and prepared to try anything that offers hope. I for one was sick of begging my doc for more eapensive imigran injections which do work but don't really cure.
All the scientific stuff the experts propound is great but.. so far I now know that dilated arteries cause the pain, (imogran fixes this temporarily by contracting them)and maybe enlarged hypothalmus causes the chemicals to be released to set this off, but...... why? This is the one nobody can really answer yet. Is it unwanted chemicals in the body from shitty diet? Is it stress induced? Maybe the waterx3 (maybe should read x20) and the detox it causes flushes them out?
Glad you are still here too Ricardo, thought you were pissed off with all the fighting on the site and were leaving. I agree - take it or leave it. The rudeness sometimes helps wake us up to the stupid ideas we may have according to others, sometimes it just puts people off trying what may well help them.
As for "Western medicine" it is mostly all about revenue. Asvfor "eastern medicine" are billions of chinese all wrong about what they believe in and is becoming mainstream? I doubt it.
Be more open minded everyone! Give Nasser a break, If you don't like what he says just ignore him. He is just looking for an answer like the rest of us. WE can make our own minds up if what he says is BS. We are mature adults aren't we? We really don't need non-constructive rudeness to clutter the postings so that when we find a hot topic in this forum we rush to view it only to find fighting bullshit. I have gotten over the rudeness myself now, especially since I have been ha free for 5 months. I am now more tolerant.
As for headache in general, not just ch which is worst case, go into any pharmacy and what do you see. TONS of headache relief drugs. Why? Because billiions suffer from HA. Why? perhaps from too much junk food, preservatives, pollution, stress, salt, tobacco, eggs, bread, overstimulation, alcohol, sweets. sodas, sedentary lifestyle, tv, and anything else you care think of? Who really knows?
When I was a child just about all adults smoked. It took many decades to find the connection with cancer which is now irrefutable since the late 50's. But has it stopped people smoking? NO! Just ask philip morris and co. Now the connection between diet and health is propounded all around us. Poor diet is known to cause cancer, it also causes may other illnesses, why not CH? How many take notice? How many prople here are prepared to eat and drink right for a few months and see if it cures them????
I love this site.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #16 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 3:18pm » |
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I love this site too.
I just think Nasser is a complete dickhead ;D
Ted your post worried me with the spelling of humour, got the dictionary out, it said humor in U.S so thats OK.
It's chill out time, so Nasser I love you, please keep posting your crap
PFDAN to all.
Steve
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 4:38pm » |
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I may have just started posting here but I am no novice to forums or to headaches or to standard healing techniques or to alternative healing techniques or to the scientific method. You seem to be questioning my credentials before accepting my opinions so I'll share a bit. Perhaps you will share in return so we can evaluate how valid your opinion is.
- Forums - I've been participating in internet newsgroups-BBS's-forums since 1984. I've seen many good forums gradually become useless sources of old information when rudeness to others is accepted and when new blood is not encouraged. Courtesy, consideration for others and for their opinions, sharing information, and open logical discussion is what keeps support forums going. Failing that, they become inbred hangouts for the same old crowd discussing the same old stuff.
I'm still analyzing this forum to see if it has ongoing relevance or if it is imploding. In the short time I've been monitoring the forum, I've noticed that drug therapy is respected; but that very little else is. Newcomers are welcomed and then blasted for non-compliance to unwritten rules. Few 'old timers' participate regularly and the ones who do, rarely have anything positive to say except 'howdy' and 'good drug that one'. This makes me wonder if the forum is evolving or stagnating.
- Headaches - I've been actively researching my headaches for 30 years. Prior to that, my mother spent her adult life trying to find ways to live with her headaches. She could have answered the CH quiz questions properly just like all of us can. (So could her grandmother and her uncle, BTW.) During that time, we both came to the conclusion that drugs are temporary solutions at best. They hide problems, mask symptoms, cause dependancy upon others, become ineffective when you need them most, and most importantly, they don't keep the headaches from coming back.
- Western Healing - I am medically trained. I was 5 courses and an internship away from finishing a course study in Cardiovascular Perfusion Technology when I changed career plans. I was an A student and I understand the workings of the human body much better than most laymen do.
- Alternative Medicine - My family has been treating ourselves with reflexology, herbs, diet, etc since 1970 or so. We rarely use doctors. When we do, we recognize that we are in control of our healing and we use the doctor as a consultant and a tool for obtaining tests or meds. There wasn't a holistic doctor or herbalist on every corner back then so we did our own research and experimentation. We have long known that herbs are drugs and we have always treated them with respect.
- Scientific method - I am scientifically trained and I work in a scientific lab environment. I understand controlled experimentation. I understand that treating symptoms does not resolve the underlying causes of the symptoms and that without resolving underlying causes, you cannot achieve real, measurable and permanent results. For these reasons, I don't reach for drugs or herbs except as a last resort. Drugs mask symptoms that can give hints to cause and effect. It is my position that there must be an underlying cause or causes for our headaches. Humans were not designed with headaches. Headaches are abberations. They are symptoms of, and are caused by, something wrong or out of balance.
Does all this make me special? Nope. Not to anybody but me and mine anyway. But it does point out that it is foolish to assume that just because you have not spoken to a person before, their opinion and observations are not of much value. You often end up looking rather stupid when you slap down your own credentials and they don't measure up to the guy or gal you called out.
- Starfire, IMHO
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #18 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 4:41pm » |
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One thing we are not is boring. I think we do a damn good job saving sufferers time and money by pointing out stupidity in our sometimes quirky fashion.
Perhaps it's good that these Q-Ray bracelet wearers, coral calcium munchers, colon flushers, and diet freaks, come here. What better way to assemble and expose expensive, useless, and sometimes dangerous stuff? At least here, we don't charge for our advice to avoid things that are sold with the sole purpose of lightening wallets.
There is no medical conspiracy to withhold successful therapies. Just about every doctor would storm the walls to help their patients with something as nasty as cluster headaches. Those who sell "secret," and expensive devices thrive on such beliefs.
Yes indeed, there are many "experts" here that know how to spot cranks, purveyors of snake oil, and recycled crackpot medical "miracles." Perhaps we are sometimes harsh in our criticism, but now and then, a little "push" is needed to encourage critical thinking.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #19 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 5:18pm » |
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IMHO means knack all to me.
My family don't use doctors, we use them for tests?
You're not from the deep south are you? you know where your Mothers actually your Sister?
We have places like that in England. It's illegall here though.
So Miss Scientist, tell us more about your qualifications.
Sounds like you quit one course before qualifying and now work in a lab, studying what?
This site will implode? Well it's been going strong now for 4 years without your help.
Slap down my credentials, I'd love to, are you going to the next convention?
Finally, Thanks for your comments and observations and theories, but as they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Good Bye
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #20 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 5:29pm » |
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Hey Drk,
Where did you get the name Bob Havers? I do believe that is lcbob's real name (the guy who wrote symphony for the devil and came up with the OUCH acronym).
As for the glasses. A few people have purchased them and given them a try ( followed immediately by giving them the boot because they are useless). They rank right up there with magnets fastened around the head.
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Star... I think you may be following a just cause, but you're fighting the wrong battle. We are not saying, "Drugs good, herbs bad." If you read through this site, you'll see alternative treatments being discussed, such as melatonin, feverfew, drinking water, shrooms, etc... You'll also see alot of ppl putting down drugs that don't work, such as pain killers. What we are trying to do, is stop the misinformation, and spam that are constantly trying to invade this forum. You say you've used computer forums for quite a while, then you should be aware that a major cause of ppl losing interest with a forum is when that forum becomes saturated with misinformation and spam. That is what we are trying to prevent. I would think most of us would be all for a "natural" remedy, or alternative treatment that works, but most of us also get tired of the constant stream of posts by ppl claiming to find a "cure", especially when that "cure" has been disproven time and time again. An effective drug is much more useful that a worthless scam anyday. Sometimes, ppl may inadvertently post about a treatment that has already been discussed and disproven, or found to be a complete scam, and that is why the new visitors page recommends that you read the boards, search the archives, and follow the links before posting, so that the information that has already been assembled, or the discussions that have come before can be used to the best of one's ability. Then, if there are further questions, or if they can't find the information, then post it to the board for discussion. All we expect is that someone who's serious about their topic be willing to take the time to research, and provide an intelligent start for the thread. Ppl gain alot of respect here when they show that they are at least trying to follow the simple proceedures recommended by the webmaster.
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Bob... On the website that Nasser posted, there's a testimonial from a clusterhead, Bob Havers, saying that the contraption is effective for his clusters.
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #23 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 6:10pm » |
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Starfire, I agree with most of what you have to say but not the way you say it. I have a natural abortive I have been testing on myself. fortunatly I was down to shadows with no CH's when I got it. It does stop shadows in thier tracks and I believe it must raise BP. I will never beable to tell anyone on this group about it becouse of all the flak I would get that would probably surface anytime I tried to help someone. I won't know If it works on CH for probably two years. So everyone loses,(I lose too becouse I won't know If it does work and won't be inclined to find something else), ah such is life. PJB
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Re: Reflexology
« Reply #24 on: Oct 8th, 2002, 6:12pm » |
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Well I'll be a sob! It is lcbob. I thought I remembered him saying what a waste they were on the old message board.
I've just shot him an e-mail to see if this is really how he feels about the vibrating glasses.
Did I ever tell you about the time drummer put the vibrating glasses on Mr. Happy and chased his wife around the house?
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