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My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« on: Sep 19th, 2002, 8:43am » |
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I suffered from CH for at least 30 years and think I have found a cure. I posted to various topics about it a few months ago, but since then have been able to help 2 people I know get rid of Chronic headaches and Migraines with it in the last 2 months. Yes I know all anout the difference between the variuos headache types, but my "theory" is that they are caused by toxin build up over a long period in our bodies. Shoot me down if you like - I don't care. I have read about the enlarged hypothalmus and such like, but ask why is it enlarged?
Anyway the following worked for myself and my 2 friends within 3 days we were all headache free.
Basically it is a pretty standard detoxification process.
Drink at least 2 litres of water EVERY day (for life) and drink nothing else but water and fruit/veg juices for at least 5-7 days. No Tea, coffee, coke, etc
Eat ONLY fresh fruit and vegetables for at least 5 days, lots of them.
If all goes well you should crap LOTS. We all did!
After 3 days our daily headaches stopped. I did this at the end of April and have been headache free since then, (apart from a couple of hangovers....)
For a more scientific detox you can look at any number of books on the subject.
I reckon you need to do this detox a couple of times a year to clean out the system. This include lymph system, blood system, nervous system. The longer you can do the detox for the better. A month seems to be optimum.
No more drugs for me!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 10:07am » |
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I wonder what is the nature of these pertinacious toxins accumulated in out body that cause CH for many years, but on the other hand can be flushed out by 3 days drinking water? Can you tell us more about them?
I know, there are dozens of books about detoxifying and scores of diet plans (after all every women's magazine needs one at least every month). But most are written for only one reason: money. I don't want to wade through thousands pages of pseudo scientific wishy washy, so could you please guide me to a scientifically sound book/article that describes these toxins in detail (with chemical name and all) and explains why it is so easy to get rid of them by choosing the right diet?
Thank you.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 1:04pm » |
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Uerli, why do you always find them before I do?
Once in a while I would like to come down on these scientifically unbalanced theories like a ton of bricks!
Jealously: thanks! ;D
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #3 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 1:06pm » |
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This is exactly the response I expected from you Ueli.
All I know is that this detox was recommended to me and I thought what the hell have I got to lose so I tried it. I do not have any "Scientific" proof to offer. No-one made any money out of me from this and I will not make anything from it other than the satisfaction of knowing I could help some poor sufferer like me!
I stuck this out for a month and I fell better than I have in years. I sleep better, have much less stress, a better sex life, I am happier, and best of all this is the longest I have been headache free since childhood!
There is lots of testimony for the water diets in this site. I suggest if you doubt it then try it for yourself and it might just work for you too!
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #4 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 1:14pm » |
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Thanks for your kind words too Ave.
I have been visiting this site for 9 months now and am very used to the rudeness by now.
Take or leave what I have to say. This message board is there to discuss what treatments did or didn't work for us. This worked for me and my 2 friends so ........ you
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 2:00pm » |
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jmorgan52 - I've come to similar conclusions also. When I think of all the junk that is in the foods most of us eat, I can't believe that it is just passing right through my digestive system without causing problems.
As to "the nature of these pertinacious toxins accumulated in out body that cause CH for many years, but on the other hand can be flushed out by 3 days drinking water?" I don't know. I don't care, either, so long as I don't feel like crap or worse. If this cure is just psychosomatic that's fine. As long as it works.
Besides, if toxicity is a factor in the CH, it's probably more complex than eating chemical A and B and C. Sometimes alcohol causes them, sometimes it doesn't, right? A trigger one month isn't necessarily a problem the next. I recall reading that here.
I'm a couple weeks into a CH phase. Plus, I've had trouble with candida in the past and I've had a flare-up again. I'm back on a water & fruit/veggie diet as much as I can be, and hopefully that will help with both. I haven't been eating as well as I could have been the last month.
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #6 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 2:34pm » |
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I think I'm going to try having my teeth ground down and go on a week's diet of water and tooth dust. That's the real cure.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 2:59pm » |
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Good luck with that. Let us know how it turns out?
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #8 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 4:00pm » |
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I tried something like that.
Everyday I had a sausage and egg Mcmuffin and two chocolate do nuts.
At night I had 5 pints of beer and 20 cigs.
Did nothing for the CH, but I did enjoy it 
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 4:20pm » |
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OMG... I tried this cure (except I substituted beer for the water and fruit juice, and hamburger and french fries for the fruit and veggies) and in 3 hours I was feelin' no pain! I like this cure... 
PFDAN.................................. Drk^Angel
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #10 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 6:05pm » |
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LOL!
Ok, look, you guys that have found something...let's say, out of the ordinary, here is a tip to keep you from getting too badly flamed.
Don't put the word "cure" in your post. Say something like..."this may sound weird, but this seems to be working for me"
Another tip would be that you don't say something has gotten rid of your CH's until you have gone over, I guess, 3 years without one. (others have gone much longer and then started getting them again though, but the longest standard remission seems to be about 2 to 2 1/2 years.) So, if you had surgery and are pain free for 2 months, don't say they are gone for good!
I know how much everybody wants to hope each time something seems to have an effect, but try to use some "scientific" criteria.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 19th, 2002, 6:12pm » |
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Cheers kid! Very well said!
PFDAN.................................... Drk^Angel
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #12 on: Sep 20th, 2002, 1:16am » |
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Thanks for the support Relapse, and Hi Ted, its months since you last flamed me when I was desperate. How are you.
I want to add something about this cure, oh sorry... "this may sound weird, but this seems to be working for me" . Thanks Oringkid 
First off It is NOT EASY. It takes immense concentration and willpower to do this one. You need to drink a glass of water every 30 mins and pee all day long. Eating just fruit and veg with no Meat, Grain, Sugars, Bread, Dairy, etc,etc is HARD. You have to fight hunger, feel very shit for 3 days or more but the after effects are great. Eventually I felt better, but I did suffer for another week with stiff neck and back which is probably (not very scientific) due to stress release of some sort.
I have for years consumed vast quantities of painkillers to fight off regular headaches, used Imigran, Prednisone, Lithium et al for CH and visited numerous Drs, neurologists over the past 30 odd years to no avail. Only thing that helped me was Imigran for the past 6 years, but is expensive, hard to get enough, and scary to take.
Since april I have taken NOTHING. This might not seem odd but ask my wife. She says I am transformed.
As to the decriers of this idea (not mine originally) it makes sense to me that a radical change in diet even for a few weeks will have some effect on body chemistry. I lost weight, my blood pressure came down to normal, my cholesteral dropped from 6 to 3. And generally I FEEL GREAT.
I have been doing 3 days a month on this since april to make sure I don't ever relapse again. I will write back in 3 years time if I am stil CH free, hows that?
Love J
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on Sep 20th, 2002, 1:16am, jmorgan52 wrote:First off It is NOT EASY. It takes immense concentration and willpower to do this one. You need to drink a glass of water every 30 mins and pee all day long. Eating just fruit and veg with no Meat, Grain, Sugars, Bread, Dairy, etc,etc is HARD. You have to fight hunger, feel very shit for 3 days or more but the after effects are great. Eventually I felt better, but I did suffer for another week with stiff neck and back which is probably (not very scientific) due to stress release of some sort.
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As to the decriers of this idea (not mine originally) it makes sense to me that a radical change in diet even for a few weeks will have some effect on body chemistry. I lost weight, my blood pressure came down to normal, my cholesteral dropped from 6 to 3. And generally I FEEL GREAT. |
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jmorgan52, the diet recommendations you listed sound more like they're geared for dealing with candida and/or food allergies than anything else. But eating fruits & veggies and staying hydrated is just good sense anyways. I've tried sticking to that diet strictly a couple times. It sucks. Big time.
There seems to be some zealous skepticism here about diet affecting CH's. All I know is that I changed my diet, drank lots more water, got more exercise, and went on Diflucan for a week and I felt INCREDIBLE. That was 9 months ago and this last round of CH's is the first I've had since I made those changes.
It's not that I think CH's and candida are related conditions in any way. I just think the preventative measures are similar. The cleaner you eat, the better you feel. Garbage in = garbage out. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yadda yadda.
In my experience fast food, soda, alcohol, and smoke are all triggers for both CH and candida. I've been drinking more alcohol, eating more chocolate, and smoking more in the last six weeks than I have in 9 months. I didn't get CH's in the spring like I have before. And all of a sudden the CH's are coming back, right beside the candida symptoms. I don't think that's a coincidence.
My *opinion* is that drinking more water is probably enough to help with CH's because your body needs water for many, many things - like flushing out toxins and processing food. This is really important if you're eating fast foods (MSG, salt, grease, E coli, salmonella, mold, preservatives), drinking liquid candy... er... soda (sugar, caffeine, acids) or alcohol (another type of sugar), or smoking (nicotine, tar, pesticides, and stuff you need a chemistry degree to decipher, etc).
If you're curious, this link will get you started on info about candida. It's one of the best I've found but you'd have to do a lot of reading to sort through the ample amounts of BS. Candida isn't researched very often by the old-school medical doctors. And very few MD's are willing to diagnose you with candidiasis so you're usually on your own for treatment.
http://www.infosky.net/~alexmi/candida.htm
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Damnit... Now y'all have made me hungry... wonder if I have enough cash for Burger King... I could really go for a Whopper and fries... Mmmmmmmmmmm... And a king sized Coke to wash it down. Good eats...
PFDAN................................. Drk^Angel
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
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anther thing is that for years drs and others and articles say: don't eat chocs, it causes migraines/headaches, ditto alchohol, cheese and any number of other things too numerous to mention. I figure give them ALL up for a period and see what happens and hey presto!
I want to assure you I still eat and drink all the "bad things" with no ill effect when I am out of cluster, but this detox broke the cycle for me and my friends anyway. As a precautionary as I said before I am doing this diet a few days a month from now on just in case, first Mon-Weds each month. As a side effect I am still losing some weight.
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Reflections on crash methods and diets.
If you care to look it up, many people here have at one time reported a change in or end to their cluster cycle, after they had something very radical happen to them.
Like getting pregnant, having babies, having an operation, taking a crash diet, starting on a course of unprecedented excercise, etc.
Unfortunately I have also seen posts by people who complain of the opposite, the operation, pregnancy, diet or excercise set the beast off!
Most of us, when we ask people not to tote "cures", are really protecting those for whom it will not work, including ourselves, from the desperation that follows if another hope fails.
Also, unless you can guarantee that it will work for you and everybody else ALL of the time, your information is clouding the issue.
But I freely grant you that one feels a lot better after doing such a hard diet course.
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on Sep 21st, 2002, 6:24am, ave wrote:Reflections on crash methods and diets.
If you care to look it up, many people here have at one time reported a change in or end to their cluster cycle, after they had something very radical happen to them.
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Actually, I'd like to. Where could I find out more about this, and what keywords would I use? I tried 'crash' and 'pregnant' and didn't get much.
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Deopends on what they were filed under . That I don't know.You did try all the archives?
I just know that I remember surgery (not for CH) being mentioned, moving to other states/ climates. pregnancies/giving birth etc.
The shroom treatment also causes upsets to the system.
There also is a german site where they advise you to move to the seaside, because it has good results.
It is where I live, though. Maybe I should move to the mountains for that change? Good luck with the search
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #19 on: Oct 2nd, 2002, 9:16pm » |
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"I want to assure you I still eat and drink all the "bad things" with no ill effect when I am out of cluster, but this detox broke the cycle for me and my friends anyway"
How do you know that it wasn't just a short cycle?
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 3rd, 2002, 1:42am » |
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This was not a "short cycle" I can assure you. I had been very sick for months and was really desperate (ask Ted he was most helpful in his own way). I had been taking Imigran injections and many courses of Prednisone. This was my worst cycle ever. I lost time at work, had no social life and was at the end of my rope.
The Imigran stopped it fine but as always there was the shortage of meds available and had to "ride out" many kip 7/8 and save the inj for the many 10's when I was almost ready to end it all. In between all the the CH's I also suffered migraines with vomiting, tension headaches, and stiff neck and backache. There seemed to be no way out. One Sunday afternoon I went to "lifestyle" exhibition and saw all sorts of alternative therapy stuff like electronic pad pain relief equipment, massagers, etc which held little promise. I had to visit the loo and take an inj during the show as I had a brain buster come on. As I was leaving the show I was stopped by a guy (divine intervention?) on one stall who asked me to try a detox aid liquid called BePure (might also be available in US?) which he claimed helped weight loss, headaches, libido and any number of other things. My initial reaction was BULLSHIT, but my wife said "what have you got to lose" so I bought 2 bottles (call it snake oil!) and started on the therapy in the leaflet the next morning, which was drink this stuff mixed with 1.5 litres water every day for 3 days and stick with only Fruit/Veg/Water, and then another 4 days of just Fruit/Veg/Light Meat/Water for the next 4 days. My last CH was 2 days later. For the rest of the week I had tension headaches and stiff neck/back for the rest of the week which eventually went away.
After about 3 days though I started to FEEL GREAT after suffering from wind and the shits big time. My head was clear, and I had more energy than I can remember in a long time. The "snake oil" seemed to have worked. Ted reckons I might have seen the same results using just water, I am not sure though. Several of my friends have tried this stuf for 2 weeks and reported the same effect. It may have been in the mind, but the results don't seem so.
I have since May been drinking my 2 litres of water EVERY day (it gets easy after a while), and I eat only fruit in the morning, and the 1st 3 days of the month I stick to fruit/veg for 3 days. I also seem to lose weight at this time as a bonus. I have dropped from 102 Kgs to 90 Kgs since May!
My history with headaches generally is that I never go more than a few weeks out of cycle without some sort of tension HA, Migraine, or similar. Since May to October I have not taken ANY medication (apart from the odd mild hangover which I treat with even more water..), nor lost a day to sickness. It has just been winter here and while all around me had colds and flu I had nothing. This is extremely unusual for me!
Believe me or not, your choice, but whether it was the BEPURE look at this linkj if you want to http://www.pharmaline.co.za/Bepure.htm or just the WATER it helped me a lot.
I am also now more aware of what I put in my body now as I don't want to slip back into old habits of overdoing the coke, chocs, coffee, booze, bread and any number of other stuff. More moderation in everything (including moderation at times!).
You are what you eat (and drink)
Love J
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I don't know about everyone else, but i can eat anything & everything, as much or as little as i like, and if i'm in a cluster i will get headaches, if i'm not in a cluster i don't.
Meds that work during one cluster don't work on the next ones. Imigran is the only thing that works every time.But at $60(aus) each i do a lot of dances!
PFDAN TO ALL....... BRAD H
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Hi Brad
I agree imigran is the only thing that works. You have my 100% vote on that!
I can also eat and drink whatever I want out of cluster with no ill effect. During cluster the only no no for me is alcohol. It brings on a CH big time in 30 mins.
So sure imigran stops the pain for a while, but what causes it in the 1st place? On this site and OUCH you will find any number of plausible reasons for why we get CH but none really address the cause. I am not trying to decry the research, but the only stuff I have found here is how to stop the pain or how to temporarily break the cycle. I am looking for a PERMANENT CURE. Might be a pipe dream but so what.
What I am proposing is that all the toxic waste in our body needs to be got rid of every now and again to keep us healthy. My theory is that eventually it gets too much and we blow the stack and get a bout of CH or migraine, or headache, or stress, or M.E. or lots of other so called "all in the mind" stuff that doctors don't have any real answer for.
I am not talking about just "food" but all the additives and chemicals we consume.
Have any of you people out there been brave enough to trust me and try this out. Your pain cannot be bad enough if you are prepared to spend big bucks on imigran, but not prepared to put your life on hold for a week to try a full on detox!
Someone out there please try this and let me know if it works for you. I DARE YOU!
love J
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #23 on: Oct 3rd, 2002, 11:09am » |
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Good Luck for u jmorgan
I guess a lot of jerks on this site assume that u r an expert to explain how your cure works from a medical point of view instead of trying what worked for u..
ESPECIALLY if it is not a Drug...
I am CH free for while.. My cure is enforced nd supported with Relexology (chinese) treatment and a diet..
I do not drink alchol or eat Chocolate and so on..
I have tried last week to drink couple of glasses of beer and I could feel the CH shadow coming but I managed to halt the CH from coming with few methods I have learned by my Reflexologist..
All it needs for some medical resarchers to put eveything we say together, screen it, test it, explain it, etc and some cure should come out
However, I wonder how, since most medical researches are financed by drug companies and they only understand profit & more profit from drug sales
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Re: My cure - detox, fruit & veg diet for a week
« Reply #24 on: Oct 3rd, 2002, 3:24pm » |
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Hmmm,
Reflexology now.
What happened to the teeth guards and vicks?
Nice to see you back Nasser.
Steve
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