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Man did I piss off the beast!
« on: Oct 17th, 2007, 10:08am »
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Well, ha's are back and have switched sides after only a one month reprieve.  I took 35 RC seeds last night and boy did the beast get mad.  Got hit at 5:30am and sucked a red bull down.  Cleared up in ten minutes.  Got hit again just now and hit another red bull.  Nothing like grabbing the bull by the horns and smacking him.  Hopefully, what they say is true, that the day after dosing can be quite a ride.  I am holding on for dear life.  Had the most effects of the seeds ever, probably because I soaked them for a longer period of time then usual.  Looking for advice on when to redose if necessary.  Thanks!
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Re: Man did I piss off the beast!
« Reply #1 on: Oct 17th, 2007, 10:48am »
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Hey, Tim.
If you're just starting the seed treatment, wait 5 days between doses. I'd reccommend dosing every 5 days until you stop getting hit, then just dose when you feel any CH activity (as long as it's been at least 5 days).  
   I've been using them for a while now, and used them in the way I just described. The first 3-4 doses, I kept getting some shadows in between. Once the shadows stopped, I stopped using them until I got another shadow. I've noticed, for the most part, that once I stopped the shadows from coming, I've had to dose less frequently (with the exception of my last dose).
   Basically... If you're still getting hit 5 days from now... dose again. If not.... Maybe wait until the shadows start to return.
Just passing along the advice I got! Hope this helps!
 
Any questions, feel free to pm me.
 
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Re: Man did I piss off the beast!
« Reply #2 on: Oct 17th, 2007, 11:59am »
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on Oct 17th, 2007, 10:08am, birdman wrote:
 Nothing like grabbing the bull by the horns and smacking him.  

 
Damn right mate!! Hope you smack him right out of your head.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 17th, 2007, 12:20pm »
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Adam,
How long do you soak your seeds for?  In water?
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 17th, 2007, 5:16pm »
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I have had to slam two more red rulls, 10:00 am and 3:30 pm.  I guess the beast has been woken.  Now I gotta slay the son of a bitch.  What a day!
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 17th, 2007, 6:21pm »
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Don't get discouraged, Tim. What you're experiencing isn't unusual. I would say a 5 day wait is ideal, but your symptoms may ease up in the meantime. I will have days like that, maybe a few in a row, only to have totally clear days follow them.  
Do you have any O2? It might help to switch abortives a bit.  
See where things are on Sunday.
 
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 17th, 2007, 7:25pm »
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Hey tim.
 
I usually go with 2-3 hours of soak time in water. It seems to be working well for me.
 
Sorry to hear your getting hit so often! Keep on fighting!
 
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Re: Man did I piss off the beast!
« Reply #7 on: Oct 18th, 2007, 6:57am »
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Sounds promising - often find it takes a couple of slaps to put the thing back in its box.
 
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 18th, 2007, 8:35am »
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Got hit last night at 8:00 pm with minor pain but then again at 1:00 am and 6:00 am.  Used ice during the night and a red bull this morning.  Hope that today is better.  To many red bulls can't be good either.
Can I use melatonin while being detoxed?
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 18th, 2007, 10:39am »
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Hey again!
 
Though I read through all the info I could find before starting my seed treatment, I couldn't remember if Melatonin was ok to use or not.... So I looked it up!
 
It is suggested you stay away from using it while you are treating with seeds or shrooms. It's in the category of "possible inhibitors". So I'd steer clear of it while detoxing. Doing so will help you get the most out of your treatment. Better safe than sorry, right?
 
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 18th, 2007, 12:45pm »
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Tim,
 
  Did you say you experienced effects from 35 seeds?  Curious as to what you felt. Personally, I'm feeling my seeds are weak and/or are becoming less effective.  Got hit pretty good last night and having shadows today. I too am hoping it's a temporary event as I just dosed the other night.
 
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 18th, 2007, 3:29pm »
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I did get a little tipsy feeling and got rather dizzy.  Was fine with it though as I just went to bed.  I think it is beacuse I let them soak for about five hours instead of two.  Anyway, have had many shadows since my morning hit but nothing strong.  Let's hope I kicked the beast in the !@lls hard enough to chase him.  
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 18th, 2007, 5:17pm »
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Tim...
 
   Glad to hear you're not getting anything more than shadows! Hopefully your next dose will knock them right out of the park!!
 
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 19th, 2007, 2:19am »
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Keep hitting it till the beast turns tail and runs.
 
For what its worth Here is my trial with the seeds if interested with some input from others.
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action= display;num=1132680856
 
Here is the result of what finally helped me and support of less is more.
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action= display;num=1138385923
 
Draw your own conclusions. and  2 years later I still dose every 30 to 45 days as minor symptoms occur to keep the CH at bay.
I find now that 1000 mg of tylenol has about as much effect on me as 15-20  RCseeds when it comes to feeling them.
 
Use caution out there.
 
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 19th, 2007, 10:01am »
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After a full day of nothing but shadows, got hit at midnight, 5:00 am and 9:00 am.  Each one has been harder then the previous one.  Ice at midnight, red bull/o2 at 5:00 but redbull/o2 at 9:00 only lightened the pain.  Still have a lot of discomfort and am typing with one hand as I hold o2 again.  Can't wait to hit it again this weekend.  Fighting of the urge to grab the trex.  Damn!
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 19th, 2007, 11:26am »
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It took a second red bull to beat this time.  What size red bull is everyone using?  The small can or the big can?  Thanks!
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 19th, 2007, 11:42am »
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Tim,
  Read MJ's second link.  He explains a different approach of multiple, small daily doses.  This may provide some immediate relief.
 
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on Oct 19th, 2007, 11:26am, birdman wrote:
It took a second red bull to beat this time.  What size red bull is everyone using?  The small can or the big can?  Thanks!

 I always use the 250ml can, but if I think its gonna be a biggy then I drink 2 just in case.
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How are you today, Tim?
 
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 20th, 2007, 2:03pm »
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Thanks for asking Nani!  Last night it was 1:00 am ice, 6:00am redbull/ice, and 10:00 am red bull.  Yesterday, at 4:00pm I got hit and tried three RC seeds under my tongue after a red bull.  Cleared me up, not sure if it was one or the other.  Or both.  I think I am gonna dose again tonight instead of waiting for tomorrow (the full five days).  Is that bad?
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on Oct 20th, 2007, 2:03pm, birdman wrote:
 I think I am gonna dose again tonight instead of waiting for tomorrow (the full five days).  Is that bad?

 
 
No, it's not bad. It's not always ideal, but I know where you're coming from.  
A few questions: Were you pf before the last dose of 35 seeds?
Was it a maintenance dose, or a treatment dose?
Has anything changed recently, ie: other meds?
Is something (weather, etc) triggering you?
 
I really appreciate that you're keeping us updated...this is how we learn.
 
hugs and pf wishes, nani  
 
 
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 20th, 2007, 4:43pm »
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I wasn't pf before.  I was getting kip3 ha's on right side(just got over a left side cycle of 6 months).  Had a one month reprieve.
 
I finally tapered off verapamil because of arrythmia(spell)
 
Also, the fall is always a bad time for me and if the weather doesn't get me the time change does.
 
I think I am going to try 35 more seeds tonight and see if it knocks the beast down for good.  I am starting to wonder if the seeds 'fast forwarded' my cycle to were I am now peaking within the first week.  Maybe the second dose will fast forward me to the end.  Wish me luck!
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 20th, 2007, 5:39pm »
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Smiley, the very best of Tim. remember to stay hydrated, and breath deep. hope your PF, right soon. andrew.
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 20th, 2007, 5:50pm »
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Best of luck, Tim!!  
Since I'm trying the seeds too, I'd be interested in hearing how the "early" dose works out for you. I'm afraid I might get hit more often during what should be my "peak".
As of now, my seed treatment has been wonderful, and I'm enjoying the PF time I've had.
 
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 21st, 2007, 1:45pm »
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I took 35 seeds last night and felt great going to bed.  Awoke at 1:30 am and 4:30am with 30 minute kip5's.  Just used the ice and cold/hot showers.  Started to feel shadows at 10:00 am and sucked a red bull and felt better.  Currently been fighting shadows since 1:00pm.  I am going on a two night trip with my wife and hoping that things will be better.  Packing all the neccessities including seeds.  Wish me luck!
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