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fiftyamp
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Having trouble finding shrooms, but found LSD. Has anyone tried this? If so, were the results similar to the Shrooms?
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Re: LSD
« Reply #1 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 6:44am » |
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Yes, LSD is quite effective against clusters. Some say it works better than psilocybin or LSA.
But there are practical problems, and LSD is not usually recommended. There is no natural source of LSD, and the only sources available (unless you are a research scientist) are clandestine labs where quality control might not be the best, and the distributon network is run by organized crime.
Also, it is difficlut to determine the size of a dose of street LSD, especially since the stuff is measured in MICROgrams (millionths of a gram). A recreational dose of LSD is between 50 and 100 micrograms, a medicinal dose would 25 micrograms or less.
Don't know (or want to) where you got the LSD or in what form it's in, but if it is a pill or capsule, be wary, it could contain other substances of unknown composition and effect. (In other words,: Dude, if it aint blotter or window pane, watch out).
A recreational dose would be effective for clusters, but would also provide significant psychoactive effects. (You gonna be trippin', Dude.) Dividing tiny blotter, windowpane or microdot into sub-hallucinogenic doses with any accuracy is near impossible.
As with any psychedelic, but especially one as powerful as LSD, set and setting are important. You must be in a good mental state and comfortable with the idea of hallucinating (set), and you must be in a secure and comfortable environment with trusted friends who are sober and understand the psychedelic experience (setting).
If you have a tendency toward schizophrenia or other serious mental illness, or if such runs in your family, avoid LSD, psilocyboin or any other hallucinogen.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #2 on: Jul 31st, 2007, 9:51am » |
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I have used both lsd and shrooms to break a cycle I was unable to get enough shrooms for a couple doses(cobweb mold) but acquired a hit of lsd took lsd first then dosed 5 days later with shrooms it seems to be working so far...but getting a few more the last couple days perhaps I need another dose...good luck...PFDAN ....Chris
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When you take a medicinal dose of shrooms or LSD, do you have any hallucinations? Is it safe to work or drive on a medicinal dose?
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Re: LSD
« Reply #4 on: Jul 31st, 2007, 11:41am » |
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Like tommy said you never know how many mcg of lsd you are getting and they are made for recreational use so I would batten down the hatches and fasten your saftey belts...so plz dont drive and be with friends.....PFDAN....Chris
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on Jul 31st, 2007, 11:41am, hikerguy wrote:Like tommy said you never know how many mcg of lsd you are getting and they are made for recreational use so I would batten down the hatches and fasten your saftey belts...so plz dont drive and be with friends.....PFDAN....Chris
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And with the mushrooms?
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Re: LSD
« Reply #6 on: Jul 31st, 2007, 4:12pm » |
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The mushrooms, as natural products, have their own variabilities. There are, after all, dozens of different psilocybin mushroom species and they vary widely in potency.
The most popular shroom is the P. cubensis (with its various strtains), but another popular shroom is the P. azurencens, about twice as potent as cubensis. And mushrooms of the same specdies can vary in potency, depending on when picked and other factors. And of course people vary in their sensitivity.
The idea is to grow your own shrooms, so you know what species they are, where they come from and that the potency is not going to vary much within the same crop. And once you grow a good crop, it can be dried and frozen so it keeps significant potency for three or four years.
Start with small doses and work your way up, and once you know the potency and how you react, you can treat several cycles with no surprises.
Other things beiung equal, psilocybin's effects are more intense than LSA, less intense than LSD, but with any of the three, you can go for quite a ride if you take enough. Many folks who take too much LSA just fall asleep, some however have reported intense psychoactive experiences. (Check out Erowid's experience vault at www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_LSA.shtml )
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Re: LSD
« Reply #7 on: Jul 31st, 2007, 5:22pm » |
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havent tried lsd but last friday i tried 5 hbwr seeds. Had a bad day saturday. No hits at all sunday monday and tuesday. I believe that it worked
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on Jul 31st, 2007, 10:32am, 1234 wrote:| When you take a medicinal dose of shrooms or LSD, do you have any hallucinations? Is it safe to work or drive on a medicinal dose? |
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Yes, you could have hallucinations with either drug and NO! Don't work or drive while on it !! Geez  LOL .... That's all we need ... more drivers that are 'trippin' !! 
Good Luck & PF Wishes
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Re: LSD
« Reply #9 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 1:29pm » |
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on Jul 31st, 2007, 5:22pm, cbad07 wrote:| havent tried lsd but last friday i tried 5 hbwr seeds. Had a bad day saturday. No hits at all sunday monday and tuesday. I believe that it worked |
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It's Thursday - how are you doing - well I hope?
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Re: LSD
« Reply #10 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:29pm » |
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Three newbies asking questions about this and not one of them has ten posts under their belt.....Hmmmmmm!
And two of them have joined this site in the last six days......Hmmmmmm!
It could be just me, but....................
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Re: LSD
« Reply #12 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:37pm » |
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what about O2??? none of them give O2 a try?? preventatives??? abortives???
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Re: LSD
« Reply #13 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:52pm » |
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I may be new to this but that is no reason to be suspicious. I have suffered with this damn condition for over 11 years. I am 51 years and have tried every med they can come up with. I tried the hbwr seeds and they really helped. I have been PF for five days now. But i will stay of of your precious site if it makes you feel better. Thought you all were here to help.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #14 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:02pm » |
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on Aug 2nd, 2007, 7:52pm, cbad07 wrote:| Thought you all were here to help. |
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Not only here to help, but to protect this family....if you dont get that theres not much more I can say.
Do what you want its your head!
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It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #15 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:09pm » |
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Just looking for people that understand. You know the pain as well a I do. and sometimes its nice to talk to someone that can relate.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #16 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:59pm » |
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we all relate to the pain, we are in the same boat and we hurt as much as you do...
but if you are familiar with the internet public boards such as this one, you must know that there are a lot of impostors and trolls and people that is looking to cause trouble or give wrong information or promote ilegal activities..
this site is visited also by minors and everyone must be vigilant of what is posted or not here...
we are here to help you and everyone else who finds his way to the site...
we like to get to know the newcomers and jumping so soon into alternative medicine topics could raise some flags.
Please do not feel attacked if you are a real sufferer, this is a family and we should watch after each other.
Don't you think? 
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Re: LSD
« Reply #17 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:59pm » |
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You old timers and hall-o-famers mind if we have a little conversation with these here newbies?
Got some information to impart.
cbad -
Sounds like things are going well so dfar, but don't be surprised if the hits start creeping back in. Most folks need to repeat the dose a couple, three times or more for long term relief. Some must dose regularly til the cycle ends, chronics may have to keep it up for quite a while. Then again there are reports of folks getting long term relief with just one dose - maybe you'll be that lucky.
I assume you've read the LSA faq at
http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm
Study up on the rest of the site, too.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #18 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 8:27am » |
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ya know, I'm still a newbie too, but all that the vets have said rings very true. This site is very special(at least to some, including me), and it must be protected at all costs. The idea of alternate solutions is interesting, but all other alternatives should be exhausted first. Why jump to the most serious, most illeagal, possibly most harmful route without exploring the rest? I just started on this site and my first move was to follow the O2 advice. Smartest move I've ever made!! Anyway, just wanted to say we should all respect this site and those who have been here and helped to make it what it is.(done preachin", sorry)
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Re: LSD
« Reply #19 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:36am » |
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on Aug 3rd, 2007, 8:27am, soulroach wrote:| The idea of alternate solutions is interesting, but all other alternatives should be exhausted first. Why jump to the most serious, most illeagal, possibly most harmful route without exploring the rest? |
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That comment reads a little like bait to me, but I'll nibble a little. Maybe the short answer to your question is because it works.
If by "all other alternatives" you mean the seemingly endless list of prescription antipsychotics, triptans, anti-seizure meds, etc., don't neglect to put them into the "serious" and "harmful" categories as well. I'll agree with you on the legal issue. That is a huge stumbling block for many.
There is a growing number of people who do not have prescription coverage to cover all the legal meds their doctors give them, and even if they did, they might not choose to mindlessly use them simply because they can. IMO, the "possible most harmful route" statement just shows me that you are ignorant of the facts, especially concerning the low-level doses envolved for getting results. Here's a link for you to check out for some interesting reading. 
http://www.clusterbusters.com/
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Re: LSD
« Reply #20 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:37am » |
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Sorry if I came on to strong. Yes, I did the research and it has really helped.I have not even had a Ch since last friday. I have tried every thing form 02 to Frova. Imitrex just makes me sick. I have 2nd degree heart block so I have to be careful about which prescription meds I take.I have had Botox shots several times when i first tried Botox it stopped them for about 17 months. Now it has no effect. I will let you all know how long this treatment works. These damn headaches cost me my first marriage of 26 years. Hope I can help even one person.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #21 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:28am » |
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on Aug 2nd, 2007, 6:29pm, Jonny wrote:Three newbies asking questions about this and not one of them has ten posts under their belt.....Hmmmmmm!
And two of them have joined this site in the last six days......Hmmmmmm!
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No, it's not just you.
I am a believer in the alternative treatment route, but I find it a little disconcerting that within a couple of posts, almost the first comment is I want to try the seeds, shrooms, now LSD. Then, their next question is, how do I get some?
I'm seeing many more posts of this sort than in the past. We don't know who these newbies are. Are they truly CH sufferers? Are they looking to score some drugs? Are they a NARC? The last thing I want to see happen is that because of indiscriminate, unthinking posts about alternatives, that DJ's site is shut down.
I'm not saying that alternatives should not be mentioned on these boards, but any mention should be done very carefully, and with great forethought.
So, to all newbies, please, if you are truly a CH sufferer, tell us about yourselves, about your CH history, what meds or treatments you have tried. Don't just jump in here and within a dozen posts start asking about the alternative treatments. We are very protective of this site, and of the people on this site.
You raise red flags, and we have a tendency to circle the wagons.
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Re: LSD
« Reply #22 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 4:41pm » |
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Please excuse me for being politically incorrect and all, but I don't see any requests for drugs or any other inappropriate statement in this thread.
I don't see anyone in this thread I could claim were anything but clusterheads looking for relief.
I never heard of essay requirements to meet befoire asking about certain kinds of medications. And I never heard of any arbitrary time limits or premedication requirements (You mean I have to try Imitrex before I'm allowed to try shrooms?) on using indole ring hallucinogens.
You see, I don't call shrooms and seeds "alternatives," I call them The Main Choice, except in three situations:
You are psychotic or have a tendency toward psychosis.
You are pregnant.
You are at the Policeman's Ball.
So if you all don't mind I'd like to resume the thread, beacuase I said something above that was wrong. I said:
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That might not be true. LSD is soluable in water, and you can divide a few ounces of water into small parts quite easily, much like you can do with shroom tea. That doesn't mean you know what the amount was to begin with, of course.
In fact, some folks have tried very small doses of shroom tea to abort attacks (works well for some) and prevent cycles (results are mixed).
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Re: LSD
« Reply #23 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 5:49pm » |
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on Aug 3rd, 2007, 4:41pm, tommyD wrote:
You see, I don't call shrooms and seeds "alternatives," I call them The Main Choice, except in three situations:
You are psychotic or have a tendency toward psychosis.
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How do you know a newbie is not one of these? 
Do they fill out a resume?
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Re: LSD
« Reply #24 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 6:22pm » |
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My initial post wasn't a solicitation for buying any illegal substance, but a serious question as to the effects of using LSD, rather than shrooms to treat my Clusters. I have tried Shrooms, and they have worked. So after reading the clusterbusters site, and seeing LSD was an option, I was curious as to how it worked out for those who have tried it. Whom else to ask, but people who have tried it. I didn't know I had to girl thingyfoot around to ask for SERIOUS ADVICE on treatment for a SERIOUS MALADY.
Some, on this site, seem to look at hallucinogenic substances with the same stigma as the general public. Even after all the relief achieved by so many using these methods, some still see fit to throw around words like illegal and alternative. In my opinion, these words do a great disservice to the pioneers among us who share their experiences to help alleviate the greatest pain known to man. Without open discussions on the effects of hallucinogens to treat CH, we all suffer.
I was particularly offended by someone's comment about children checking out this site. Shouldn't children, especially those who suffer from CHs, know that there are other options than the status quo?
Thanks to Tommy and others for their kind and much appreciated advise.
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