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Me and my mushrooms
« on: Jun 6th, 2007, 2:56am » |
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Ok... guess I'm looking for some advice on the shroomie treatment. I've done my homework and I'm "experienced", so I feel pretty good about things, but all thoughts are welcome.
I'm episodic usually 1-3 cycles lasting 2-3 months per year. Never used any meds.
I'm 7 weeks into my first cycle I've had since I found out they were clusters. O2 has been GREAT, but waking up to massive hits at 3am, 5am and 7am does not a good next morning make even with o2. And the only way I can afford the o2 is by the kindness of others. I was eating great, working out, feeling great, but now the cycle has killed all that. Working out is a trigger, life is junk food and depression lately and not sunshine and happiness. So I need to end the cycle.
I tripped on 10 grams fresh + 1/2g dried aborts.... I figure it was equivalent to 2g dry. I did that Monday. Tuesday (this morning) I had a sort of wierd hit. It felt like a bad one, but pain level was low. The O2 killed it completely, quickly. It just didn't feel "right", (ie it didn't ruin my day).
The last 10 years has been switching between 1 or 2 years of mushroom use and 1 or 2 years of horrible cluster cycles. Back and forth, one then the other, never at the same time, with me no wiser. So with hindsight I'm pretty confident this is my knight in shining blue armor and I'm about to be saved.
I'm thinking of tripping on Friday with 2.5g regardless of what happens wed/thurs. That's 4 days break. I know 5 days is recommended. From experience I think that 5 days are unnecessary. I can't do it on the weekend and I don't want to wait till monday.
That's my story in a nutshell I guess, advice is welcome.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #1 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 3:08am » |
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I am no expert on this but from what I read on the clusterbusters website I thought the idea of using shrooms as medicine for CH is that one uses a dose low enough not to "trip" ?
All the people I have spoken to who have succesfully used shroom to treat their CH said that the effective dose for them were a lot lower than what it takes to "trip".
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #2 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 4:57am » |
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I hardly think 1 or 2 grams is a big dose, rather conservative and in line with what others have used I believe. Sorry if my characterization as "tripping" is offensive.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #3 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 6:08am » |
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Hi SchwarzenSchafe -
Sounds like things are going well so far, thanks for the report. Four days wait may be enough. The "weird hits" after dosing are common, even to be expected, and are a good siign that the dose has had an effect.
As far as Lotus' comments - the Clusterbusters advise using small doses to avoid tripping not because it won't work on clusters, but because it avoids tripping. Recreational doses are indeed effective, and some folks tolerate them well. But not everyone wants a psychedelic experience, and a trip is not necessary. Therefore a small. barely psychoactive dose is recommended so as to be tolerated by the largest number of people.
Also, there is a danger in hallucinogens - they can trigger or exacerbate certain existing mental conditions. Those prone to schizophrenia and some other serious mental conditions should avoid any hallucinogenic experiences.
There are a few reports of people who, inadvertently or on purpose, took an "entheogenic dose," one large enough to see God, shake his hand and trade lawyer jokes. The results of these very large doses have been inconsistent as far as cluster treatment goes, and would not be recommended in any case.
I'm certainly not offended by tripping at all - good luck and have fun if you want to. There is no sin in enjoying your medicine.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #4 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 8:14am » |
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Been thinking about going this route myself. Currently ending a bad cycle and have researched this for next cycle. Do you grow your own or are you relying on mother nature?
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #5 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 9:54am » |
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on Jun 6th, 2007, 6:08am, tommyD wrote:
I'm certainly not offended by tripping at all - good luck and have fun if you want to. There is no sin in enjoying your medicine.
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Have fun and enjoy ones medicine ? Novel concept !
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #6 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 10:23am » |
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on Jun 6th, 2007, 9:54am, Lotus wrote:
Have fun and enjoy ones medicine ? Novel concept !
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I'm assuming that you meant that sarcastically, as usual. Most all medicines have side effects, and if an individual happens to derive pleasure while at the same time eliminating their pain, who are you to criticize? The important thing is that this treatment is used with respect and knowledge of the side-effects, especially the psychological ones. Smaller doses can be very effective for some, but others need larger doses based on their individual reponses. Enjoy ones medicine? I'll take the mild effects of psilocybin anyday over the effects I experience from the prescription triptans and anti-seizure meds.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #7 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 10:26am » |
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Argh, i hate to hear stories like that......used to live a normal life but now you dont. This CH hits us hard, but dont give up on living your life!!!
I also need a regular dose of shrooms to get the most efffect from the shrooms. I have tried sub-recreational doses and they help, but a larger dose helps much more. (for me)
It normally does take a week or so for the shrooms to kick in and start helping. During that time I get weird hits at weird times. This is normal.
You might want to wait another week before doing it again....especially because you are already 8 weeks into your cycle. I would give it another full week before making any decisions. Gotta see where you are at.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #8 on: Jun 6th, 2007, 12:23pm » |
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on Jun 6th, 2007, 2:56am, SchwarzenSchafe wrote:
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I can completely relate to that feeling and I reckon that anything is better than the feeling of hopelessness I get sitting around waiting for the next hit.
I haven't been down the psychadelic road in a long time but if it can get rid of these things without me having to pop pills three times a day I can see nothing wrong! The psychological and physical effects can never be worse than long term use of something like Topomax.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #9 on: Jun 7th, 2007, 3:29am » |
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Another weird hit this morning. Came late, then just as it was really coming on and I'm ready for o2 it disappears. That's pretty abnormal, it didn't start out like shadows, again it "felt" like a big one (because of other sensations that accompany bad hits) but not much pain, then poof it's gone. And I should be hooked up to the o2 all morning anyway, and spending all afternoon recovering, so that in itself is also WEIRD. I hope it get WEIRDER 
Birdman, I'll take the 5th there, but I will say that both options take little effort/time/money.
I haven't committed to tripping Friday but I probably will, considering it isn't likely to do harm and I'd like to see my little blue friends again anyway to say thanks.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #10 on: Jun 7th, 2007, 11:34am » |
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on Jun 7th, 2007, 3:29am, SchwarzenSchafe wrote:Another weird hit this morning. Came late, then just as it was really coming on and I'm ready for o2 it disappears. That's pretty abnormal, it didn't start out like shadows, again it "felt" like a big one (because of other sensations that accompany bad hits) but not much pain, then poof it's gone. And I should be hooked up to the o2 all morning anyway, and spending all afternoon recovering, so that in itself is also WEIRD. I hope it get WEIRDER
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This is ALL very typical and signs of good things to come.
The "weirdness" is what sets this treatment so far apart from conventional medications, and what tells us that this treatment is doing something much different than the usual medications. Rather than treating one attack at a time, or being constantly drugged up to blunt the symptoms, this treats the cycle itself on a deeper level. (JMHO and YMMV, as everyone is a bit different, but I think I speak of the majority of cases)
Nothing wrong with a medication making you feel good, in my book. Isn't that what they are all supposed to do? I guess we're allowed to feel good, but just not TOO good 
What do the French say? Sail a V ? 
Good luck on Friday. 4 days is probably ok for you, based on your related experience, this time. I would suggest wating longer after dose 2 because you might be surprised (weirded-out) to find the cycle fade away completely after dose 2 and not need a 3rd.
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 7th, 2007, 11:45am » |
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LMAO Sail a V? LOL LOL LOL
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #12 on: Jun 7th, 2007, 4:10pm » |
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Thanks Bob. I had some minor shadows this morning, I think I'll partake tomorrow. But since monday theres a big change, I have ups and downs but this respite is unusually long.
Sail a V... hehe... that's up there with "Walla!" (viola). Around here (SK, Canada) butchering the french language is a provincial past time.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #13 on: Jun 8th, 2007, 3:53am » |
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Weirder...
Hit again at 5pm today while away from home. That's a first for this cycle. Started to get bad, I thought "Oooooh shit", and then bang it's gone. I mean goes up quickly to about KIP 6, eye starting to tear, sniffling, pacing a parking lot wondering what the hell to do (o2 is 30 minutes away, my balance is buggered and I'm on a motorcycle), to not even a hint of pain or other symptoms in less than a minute! I sat there in disbelief... I've never had it dissappear fromt hat level so quick, ever. It surprised me, I was literally rubbing my head thinking "ow, ow, ow..." when I realized theres no pain.
WTF?
I have 25 grams (wet) in the fridge for tomorrow. After that I'll wait a week minimum and re-evaluate, but I'm hoping that after that all I'll need is maintenance doses at whatever interval.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #14 on: Jun 8th, 2007, 4:26pm » |
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I can't speak to the shrooms, because I haven't tried them. I'm episodic, with cycles lasting from 8 to 16 weeks, then with glorious 18 to 24 months of PF time. After my last cycle, using Imitrex tabs to no avail and causing heart palpitations, my doc says no more Trex, so, I decided to go "alternative".
I chose rc seeds, and I chose to follow some clusterbuster advice of using a low, sub-trip dose every month while out of cycle, in the hopes it would completely abort the cycle. So, I did 11 to 12 seeds monthly.
My next cycle was due in January of this year. It began right on time despite the monthly doses. But, at onset, I dosed with 25 to 30 seeds, then another 25 to 30 seeds five days later. Even with this number of seeds, it was still not at "trip" level, just nice and relaxing. I had that first k7 hit, a couple of k2-3 hits, and the cycle was gone in less than two weeks. I'm back to my monthly low dose (12 seeds) and will continue this schedule for the rest of my life. I'm a believer in the alternatives, and take no meds, whatsoever. I do have 02 to abort when necessary, but, dayummm, that tank is getting dusty.
If your shrooms are working - stick with it. Just remember, you don't HAVE to take a "trip" sized dose for the alternatives to work. You just have to find the level that works for you.
Happy PF days!
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #15 on: Jun 9th, 2007, 2:53am » |
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It's good to know I don't have to take large doses, I enjoy the trip but it does take a good 6-8 hours of clumsy stupidness.
I had a little over 20 grams wet today. Just after coming down, around 7pm, I had a kip 6 hit of about 10-15 minutes. So the pattern now seems to be strange times, short durations, and reduced pain.
I guess now I sit back for a week and then re-evaluate.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #16 on: Jun 9th, 2007, 6:58pm » |
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Big nasty hit this morning at the normal time, normal level, normal everything. I'm kind of bummed. I still think it's going to work, but damn it WORK NOW.
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 10th, 2007, 3:57am » |
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Howzit
I've been following this thread with more than a passing interest and I must tell you that I'm more than a little bummed on your behalf following this last post. hang in there mate, I hope the PF days come real quick.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #18 on: Jun 10th, 2007, 10:33am » |
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are you in B.C?? if so, can yasendme a bag of shrooms over to ontario for me?? They get free pickin over there!! 
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #19 on: Jun 11th, 2007, 12:01am » |
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Hit again this morning. Some persistent shadows that seemed like they might develop into more a couple hours ago.
I've read about it getting worse for a few days after dosing. I hope that's what's happening. Although it's not worse, just back to normal. Sort of. Shadows late in the day aren't normal but the morning hit is.
Thanks Wayne. I'm trying to stay positive.
Sorry Chris, until the terrorists win the war on drugs you're best to grow/pick your own.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #20 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 9:23pm » |
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Nothing yesterday, but a real bad morning today. Started at 5am, the o2 kept it away for a couple hours at a time but it never works quickly on these ones, it was rough till about noon. Didn't get much rest even though I spent over 10 hours in bed. This is my normal mid-cycle pattern.
Just said fuck it and ate a bunch of junk food. I feel like shit, I'm pissed off. Cut my hand twice working, accomplished nothing, lousy weather, lousy day.
I have life to live tomorrow but I'm tripping on thursday, triple the dose. If I see god I'm going to punch him in the throat.
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 11:31pm » |
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #22 on: Jun 13th, 2007, 12:33am » |
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Hang in there. See how the next couple days go. Don't yet get discouraged. Aviod triggers the best you can. The fewer attacks the better (of course) in trying to break the cycle. Some people make the mistake of tempting the beast with known triggers too soon. (Not that you have,..just wanted to forewarn you)
I would advise against tripling the dose. First of all, tripling the dose does more than triple the effect. Psychedelics are "rated" more along the lines of the richter scale and not a linear scale.
Second of all, most people have reported that too much is often counter-productive and upsets the applecart more than you want. If you think the followups on day 2 &3 are bad, they would most likely be worse with going that much more on the dose.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #23 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 1:59am » |
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Well, I took your advice Bob, sort of. Very hard to judge the amount as some was wet and some half dry, but it was probably close to 30 grams wet. Strong visuals, cognition screwy, but didn't leave the planet.
I had them ready to go, I figured if an attack woke me up I was just going to rollover and wolf down a fist full of shrooms, and that's what I did. Could be coincidence I suppose but it killed the headache just before my pupils blew up, a little longer than it usually takes the oxygen. Some very slight shadows hours later and nothing since.
The "side effects" of the medication are getting annoying. Mushrooms are fun and all, but theres only so much fun I can take, I have shit to do. I actually tried hanging drywall. I know this should go without saying, but DO NOT HANG DRYWALL ON MUSHROOMS.
Avoiding triggers is also becoming hard. I had a craving to do pushups before I came down, like a food or drug craving. Just do one, it won't hurt. I'm starting to think the summer will be gone before I can excercise again, and that makes me REALLY unhappy.
I'm expecting to get slammed tomorrow. I'm going to give myself at least 10 days and concentrate on rest and avoiding triggers.
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Re: Me and my mushrooms
« Reply #24 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 2:49am » |
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Thank you very much for your candid report of your current experience with shrooms. It has been an eye opener for me.
Painfree wishes to you, hope the beast leaves you soon.
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