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Greg_Swan
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Cure for Clusters?
« on: Dec 26th, 2006, 3:21pm » |
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Cure for Clusters?
I feel like I’ll be received as someone pimping AMWAY when I tell you what I discovered, but since I know better- that people are open to ANYTHING to make it stop- like me- 2 nights ago (Suicide looking real attractive, but if I ended up in hell- Cluster Eternity seemed a lot worse than the max 3 hours). So I got Jerrified!
Jerry Zelm- the man who walks on water. Jerry Zelm- a CHIROPACTOR.
That’s the good news. The bad news- his practice is in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin.
I showed up at his HOME door Christmas Day. His wife took one look at me and said “C’mon in- he’s taking a nap.” He did his thing in his practice connected to his home. He adjusted me, like all of them seem to do ( I tried others covered under my then insurance- they weren’t the Rolls Royce- they weren’t in Jerry’s league) – Jerry used heat sensitive diagnostics and closely following the “Picture (X-Ray) as a map, and identified points on my lower spine, middle back, and neck. I’m in the middle of a cluster series and I remember Jerry back in ’97 when I first showed up at his door as a last resort. (In didn’t know about clusters, neither did the clueless doctors). I had cat scans, the works before I showed up. He saw my ½ bottle of eaten aspirin and was shocked, knowing what is does to my kidneys. He said “Greg, you’re going to walk out of here without headaches.” Guarded hope rose in my heart. But it worked- not a cycle running out- it stopped that night! A few shadows, but after a couple visits…nothing.
The beast came a callin’ again recently- worse and worse. DO I want to flip $30 to Jerry? Uh, yea, I do.
So Christmas day, 2006, having a Kip 10, (Apparently I was too cheap with a Kip 9) I went to his house. Should I care if I’m interrupting a family meal I thought? Naw! Afterwards, I slept for nearly 24 hours. Jerry is the man- he just knows. Other Chiros haven’t in my experience. I told him I knew a group of people that may well want what you’ve got to give. They’re too small for the Pharmaceuticals to pay much attention to, but big enough to fly across the country and keep you busy. All I can do is tell you- don’t shoot the happy messenger.
I’ve even got his home number and I’m guarding it- it’s the Bat Phone. I’m sure all this other stuff helps/works too- oxygen, meds- I’ll get them as back ups because I must never have that pain again- ever. But JERR-REEE, JERR-EEE IS the cure. He’s 60, corny, cheesy, respectful, very kind, Christian- and obviously very smart. I’d be a selfish, careless person if I didn’t post this. You’ll know what to do with this information. Tell him Greg sent ya. PFDAN to all, and to all a good night!
Greg Swan
262 751 8779 gregswan@on-pack.com
Heeeeeere's Jerry!
Gerald Zelm, DC
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin Zelm Chiropractic Office
880 Summit Ave.
Oconomowoc, WI 53066
262-567-4999
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #1 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 3:28pm » |
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Good for you.
Maybe he could teach my chiropractor how to cure cluster headaches.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #3 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 3:31pm » |
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on Dec 26th, 2006, 3:21pm, Greg_Swan wrote:| So Christmas day, 2006, having a Kip 10, (Apparently I was too cheap with a Kip 9) I went to his house. |
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Greg, I got stuck getting past this.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #4 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 3:51pm » |
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K-9 sticking you? It was the day before Christmas, and all through the house, not a single present was waiting for my kids- their dad was a louse. That's right- I couldn't afford it.
I got some money Christmas morning and we all know what the priority is- a get out of hell (for $30) card. I'm self employed or un-employed at the moment- and uninsured. Jerry told me NEVER let money be factor again- he didn't have to say it twice, like when he gave me his home phone number.
Just like no one can tell you you don't hurt, no one can tell I do now.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #5 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 3:54pm » |
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I think the part that has us ALL stuck is how,
with a Kip10
you managed to go ANYWHERE....
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I've heard that peanut butter has also worked for some folks. 
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on Dec 26th, 2006, 3:54pm, Redd715 wrote:I think the part that has us ALL stuck is how,
with a Kip10
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Couldn't have said it better myself Redd !!! That fact in and of itself was a X-mas miracle !!! 
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Quote:All I can do is tell you- don’t shoot the happy messenger.
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Just make sure Uncle Jerry kicks back that 5% Quote:for
a group of people that may well want what you’ve got to give. They’re too small for the Pharmaceuticals to pay much attention to, but big enough to fly across the country and keep you busy. |
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #10 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 10:33pm » |
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Maybe Greg works for the Airlines and can get a kickback from them too?
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #11 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 10:42pm » |
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on Dec 26th, 2006, 3:21pm, Greg_Swan wrote:| You’ll know what to do with this information. |
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You're right.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #12 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 11:45pm » |
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Greg, I have read this thread several times today and have kept myself from posting my thoughts because I don't know you or your history with CH.
I am close to the end of my personal rope in dealing with the beast and the only response I can give you is that perhaps you don't understand the Kip scale. I am chronic and I have found that I won't/ can't drive myself safely once I get to a k6/7.
my wife has used all of her sick days from work to take me to appointments or pick me up leaving a car behind to avoid the very real risks involved.
I am happy that you have found relief from whatever kind of pain you have been living with, but I think possibly you don't understand the meaning of a K9/10 the same way most of us here do. I hope that if you are sincere you will take what I am saying in the spirit I intended.
If I had to choose one positive thing I gain from this place it would have to be the feeling that I am not unique or alone.
You might want to do a bit more research into CH before you post "cures" that simply cannot work for what ails us.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #13 on: Dec 26th, 2006, 11:52pm » |
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Tim - You, sir, are the gentleman I find I can't be sometimes.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #14 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 8:41am » |
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Yeah, the spine is...putting pressure...on the hypothalamus!
That must be it!
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #15 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 11:47am » |
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Quote:| Tim - You, sir, are the gentleman I find I can't be sometimes. |
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WONDERFUL response Bill. Could not have said that better if I was a gentlman..which I'm not.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #16 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 1:53pm » |
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I will never get enough of these guys. Must be the x-mas spirit that kept this guy from some serious flame.
Good Vibes my Brothers and Sisters.
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I agree with Tim - much above 5, and I can't drive. My affected eye becomes swollen and hypersensitive. I can focus it for a moment, then it tears up and I have to close it.
Curious as to how a nerve block works - injections of an anesthetic and/or steroid that goes into the neck. All the literature suggests that these can help some people, in spite of the fact that the needle does not go near the hypothalamus. Maybe popping the knots out of the neck can calm down a neural circuit that (for some people) feeds into CH?
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #18 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 2:04pm » |
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I'm guessing the hypothalamus is still sending out its crazy signals, but the nerve isn't transmitting the pain signals, or prevents the blood vessels from swelling.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #19 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 4:22pm » |
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My chiro adjusts my back, and my neck. Doesn't do anything for my CH. Will tone down a migraine sometimes.
Greg, while I understand you mean well with your post, chiropractic is not a viable treatment for CH. You can search on the subject here, it has been discussed, and dismissed many times.
For your CH, please read the wealth of information to the left, there are many viable treatments, tried and true for a lot of people. Prescription, and herbal (I'm thinking of kudzu here), and there is a site for alternative treatment too that works for some people.
I am glad the chiro seemed to help you. Just a word of advice. There is no cure for clusterheadaches. You want to be careful saying that word around here. We get people here claiming a cure, and after all the bullshit we get, from our un-educated, unwilling -to -help docs, to well meaning friends, relatives, and total strangers, when someone mentions that word, it gets under our skin, to put it politely.
Welcome to the board. Sorry you have to be here. Feel free to ask any questions. And also to the left, is an explanation of the kip scale. you may want to take a look at it.
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #20 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 7:27pm » |
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What the fine folks here are trying to say is....."If you come here and yell CURE, you have better not had a fucking CH in the last fourty fucking years"
Because until you can you are just talking out your ass...kinda like Jim Carey did....remember?
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #21 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 7:55pm » |
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on Dec 27th, 2006, 7:27pm, Jonny wrote:| Because until you can you are just talking out your ass...kinda like Jim Carey did....remember? |
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You mind if I ass you some questions?
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #23 on: Dec 28th, 2006, 10:00am » |
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@ greg swan - 3 words - no fucking way
to all my other learnerd friends . .
i have driven with the single most evil nasty dirty kip 10+ i have ever had.
i didnt want to, and iv obviously had unbarable ones before but this one . . OH MY GOD.
anyway, just to say that IT IS possible to drive whilst k10'ing !!
admittidly i couldnt see very much, and i must have looked like a mad man with no top on, pouring with sweat and swearing and screaming.
but i got there
left the car parked at a jaunty angle right in the ambulance bay 
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Re: Cure for Clusters?
« Reply #24 on: Dec 28th, 2006, 10:15am » |
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on Dec 28th, 2006, 10:00am, chopmyheadoff wrote:@ greg swan - 3 words - no fucking way
to all my other learnerd friends . .
i have driven with the single most evil nasty dirty kip 10+ i have ever had.
anyway, just to say that IT IS possible to drive whilst k10'ing !!
admittidly i couldnt see very much, and i must have looked like a mad man with no top on, pouring with sweat and swearing and screaming.
but i got there
left the car parked at a jaunty angle right in the ambulance bay
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you guys drive on the wrong side of the road anyway -- so how hard could it have been?
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