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Can anybody give me any good information about Vicodin 7.5 750 tbmck any help at all for long term or is it just for short term thanks drap it seems like i've tried everything. drap
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #1 on: Nov 28th, 2006, 9:56pm » |
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I have had success with ZERO narcotics in fighting CH.
Now back pain and post surgical pain is another matter entirely....
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #2 on: Nov 28th, 2006, 10:02pm » |
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I've had some off and on (non dependable) success with STRONG narcs but vics are like asprin to my ch
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #3 on: Nov 28th, 2006, 11:16pm » |
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Vicodin works pretty good for my back pain but it won't do diddley for ch's.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #4 on: Nov 28th, 2006, 11:26pm » |
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Vicodain will take the sharp edge off of my CH but not much help in the long run. Strong chance of tolerance and addiction over the long run so it's a long term course I'd shy away from.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #5 on: Nov 29th, 2006, 12:51am » |
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Vicodin did help the jaw pain I had with my HAs, not to relieve it completely but to lessen it.
For the most part, narcs aren't all that effective but some have limited success. You do have to worry about rebounds if you take it too regularly or maybe addiction (watch House, awesome show).
Anyway, vicodin is great for my post surgical pain (gone now).
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #6 on: Nov 29th, 2006, 12:36pm » |
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Oy Vey! Don't get me started.  Vicodin has its place-for instance-sometimes its the only thing to knock down a long shadow. Does take the edge off the hits, and can give a bit better quality of life. HOWEVER, the detox from it totally sucks, and it, as well as other narcs, should be the last line of defense-right before surgery and after everything else.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #7 on: Nov 29th, 2006, 2:05pm » |
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When not in a cycle a little vicodin is good...  But I don't think that's what you were asking.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #8 on: Nov 29th, 2006, 4:57pm » |
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Vicodin triggered my 2005 cycle.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #9 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 4:12am » |
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on Nov 29th, 2006, 4:57pm, marlinsfan wrote:| Vicodin triggered my 2005 cycle. |
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i dont understand it when episodics say things like this . .
how do you know your cycle wasnt about to start anyway ??? 
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #10 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 7:08am » |
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I wasn't saying this was a cure I just needed some relief my family doctor put me in the hospial because she thought I was going to have another heart attack from the stress of the CH . I had one back in 1999 when I had my first CH that fall. The doctor put me on some kind of IV and added some shots never did find out what it was but I was crawling out of my skin all day and that nite but it worked and he gave me the px for vicodin. I was haveing up to 10 15 attacks a day and nite. thanks for your support and GOD BLESS DRAP
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #11 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 7:31am » |
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Vicodan 10.0 (they call it something other than Vicodan) caused the worst hit of my last cycle.
I don't normally take pain killers but I felt an attack coming on and thought I would try taking one and huffing some O2. The O2 dampped the attack and the Vic kicked in. Then the attack came back and by the time I realized it was ther, I was screwed big time. Spent the next hour on my hands & knees, sweat pouring off my entire body. I was sure my heart would fail.
Never, never again will I take pain killers for CH!
I'll save them for fun use later.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #12 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 8:07am » |
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #13 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 8:14am » |
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #14 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 11:45am » |
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on Nov 30th, 2006, 4:12am, chopmyheadoff wrote:
i dont understand it when episodics say things like this . .
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My cycles always start up slowly, with shadows first then grows to full blown attacks over a few days. In 2005 I had back surgery, the doc put me on vicadin for 3 days. On the 4th day (1st without the vicodin), I had 3 full blown hits.
You're right that I can't be 100% sure it was the Vicodin, but I am 99.9% sure it was.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #15 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 2:15pm » |
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That very well may be and I cannot argue with what you believe although I seem to read much more about people identifying triggers for headaches WITHIN a cycle and not so much about triggers for the cycle themselves. Personally I have all kinds of quirks and beliefs about my headaches but they tend to change, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day and week by week during a cycle. In the end I recognize and admit that most of what I believe about them is really probably more superstition than anything. Because if I could pin point what starts a cycle and then what starts the headaches within a cycle I would not have this problem anymore.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #16 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 9:48pm » |
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on Nov 30th, 2006, 2:15pm, johnd7 wrote:| That very well may be and I cannot argue with what you believe although I seem to read much more about people identifying triggers for headaches WITHIN a cycle and not so much about triggers for the cycle themselves. Personally I have all kinds of quirks and beliefs about my headaches but they tend to change, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day and week by week during a cycle. In the end I recognize and admit that most of what I believe about them is really probably more superstition than anything. Because if I could pin point what starts a cycle and then what starts the headaches within a cycle I would not have this problem anymore. |
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This is why we all shoul dkeep some sort of chart.
Data shows what is fact vs superstition.
Narcs didn't do jack 4 me.
In fact 4 maybe 5 (don't remember) shots of dilaudid just made me stoned and unable to pace and jump the way I needed to.
I had begged for them to Knock me out and all it did was make me sick 4 a week
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #17 on: Nov 30th, 2006, 9:57pm » |
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Quote:| You're right that I can't be 100% sure it was the Vicodin, but I am 99.9% sure it was. |
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Personally, I don't like vicodin very much--it makes me dopey and anxious at the same time. Like everyone has already said, it's very addicting. One of my sisters has been on it for years for back/shoulder/neck problems, and I don't see how her quack Dr justifies keeping her on it for so long. You should see the HUGE bottles of it that she has. As with all meds, be careful. I might have missed any earlier posts mentioning it, but have you tried Oxygen as an abortive? Sorry to hear you're suffering so, and I'm not trying to undermine your faith in your Dr, but I think I'd get a second opinion re the use of vicodin as a preventitive for a heart attack brought on by stress. Best wishes, Tata
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #19 on: Dec 2nd, 2006, 10:40pm » |
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I used oxycodone with no tylanol. Used it off and on for a couple of years to take the edge of the kip 10s it would make them kip 7-9's at least I didn't blow my brains out. It is not for a permanant solution. You should be trying some other sort of therapy as well. It is last line of defense and only to be used after avery thing has failed or to give you a break here and there.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #20 on: Dec 2nd, 2006, 11:48pm » |
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on Nov 30th, 2006, 4:12am, chopmyheadoff wrote:
i dont understand it when episodics say things like this . .
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It's a good question.
Well, we're as individual as chronics, really. There are some here who have strong opinions or experiences that point them toward something that may have started a cycle. For them, it may very well be that some chemical compound or incident or change precipitated a cycle.
As for myself-- no. I can't say I've ever identified anything that has started a cycle. They come when it's time. Nothing I do or don't do makes any difference. It's as inevitable as tides, or sunrise, or tax reckoning day. There are warnings--they don't start out full-blown. Then it's time to circle the wagons.
It's funny. With all the literature that talks about the seasonal regularity of episodic CH, and its "clockwork" nature, I seem to be one of the few here who fits that pattern. Perhaps its more the exception than the rule it's purported to be.
Sorry, getting off-topic here.....
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #21 on: Dec 4th, 2006, 4:14pm » |
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A doc gave them to me once. they kinda helped with Shadows but helped my WIFE more than me. Never aborted a Cluster
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Totally agree with all that has been said. Ibelieve that more often than not, narcotics do not necessarily help clusters. And in fact, as others have said, I believe that they may trigger more than help. Last year I had a bout with kidney stones(from the Topomax) and my doc, despite my persistent begging not to, insisted on giving me a tordol shot. Yes, the pain from the stones subside a little , but I'll be damned if I didn't get hit with the worst HA I had had so far that year.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #23 on: Dec 10th, 2006, 2:06am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2006, 12:16am, pfunk wrote: Last year I had a bout with kidney stones(from the Topomax) and my doc, despite my persistent begging not to, insisted on giving me a tordol shot. Yes, the pain from the stones subside a little , but I'll be damned if I didn't get hit with the worst HA I had had so far that year.
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I had the kidney stone thing as well mine was from Zonegran same type of drug as Topamax. However,i have had GREAT success with Tordol when I have been in the hospital for clusters! Though the last time I had it I had a SMALL allergic reaction to it and now feel I can probably never take it again as reactions like that progressivly get worse.
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Re: Vicodin
« Reply #24 on: Dec 10th, 2006, 6:15am » |
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I never understand when people say narcs won't help Clusters.
They can, but certainly not Vicodan! It has to be much stronger, straight up without the nsaids and taken in dangerous doses. Temporary only and not nearly worth the costs in after effects and damage to your system. My Pain Management Neuro prescribes them to me to such an extent that i'm sure I am on a DEA watch list somewhere, but I use them very, very sparingly and not at all now as I am trying to be completely de-toxed and see if that will help.
I would vote you keep them for other types of pain as said by others.......Tim
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