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« on: Sep 6th, 2006, 1:43pm » |
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Hello again. Barry here. I haven't posted in a year and 9 months, but been lurking. It's hard to read about clusters hen you're not having them. I don't even want to think about them. I thought I had grown out of them, but apparently not. Multiple kip 10's are destroying my mind, so i guess i'm going to be posting here again.
Anyway, I've finally been able to get a hold of mushrooms to test on myself, and i'll post how they affect me here.
Since I never tried them before, and i have a generally low tolerance to things like weed, I decided to start off easy last night and make tea out of some stems and save the caps for later. It tasted as good as you'd expect mushroom tea to taste, so i added a little sugar. Drank it after a nice big sandwich so i woudln't upset my stomach too badly.
I felt loopy after 20 minutes or so, and then I got very happy. Liek that stupid happy where you laugh easily and you get a dumb grin on your face. I was singing along to commercials, but didn't get too sloppy. I kept myself busy by playing World of Warcraft, but had a hard time concentrating and kind of wanted to lay down and ride it out. Once the inital stomach weirdness passed I felt really good and alert. I had the beginnings of a headache when i first took it but it went away fairly quickly.
I made three more cups of tea with the same stems from before and a little more, and kept that good feeling going for a few hours more. I took maybe half of the regular recreational dose, toned down by making tea out of it.
About 4 hours after I started to get a cluster. I could tell it was going to be a bad one because my right hand starts to shake a little. So i decided to eat a cap. It wasn't the worst tasting thing in the world, so i washed it down with some mango juice and watched some TV. Soon after, the headache lifted as quickly as it came on. It was still there, but like 4 points were gradually shaved off the kip scale for it.
I slept without incident. Overslept, actually, though i think my recent lack of a full night's rest contributed to that. Got a bad headache on the way to work. Popped a loritab, because i can't shroom at work. Thankfully it went away.
I'm going to try eating the rest of the mushrooms tonight after work. Hopefully I fall into that percentage of clusterheads that it works for.
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Re: mushroom experience (and hello again)
« Reply #1 on: Sep 6th, 2006, 2:16pm » |
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Careful, Omni - I'm not an expert by any means, but you're taking WAY more than you need to help your cluster. 1/4 of the recreational dose is the norm. As well, you're supposed to wait at LEAST five days between doses. The "receptor door" in your brain closes to the psilocybin for that length of time, apparently, so you're just wasting the product (from a cluster treatment point of view, I mean).
As well, you should be otherwise med free pre and post-dose. Not sure how that med you took will affect the dosage.
You had FOUR cups of mushroom tea last night?  Hopefully, one of the 'busters will be along soon to give you a bit more guidance here, but I think you're kind of overdoing it.
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Re: mushroom experience (and hello again)
« Reply #2 on: Sep 6th, 2006, 3:27pm » |
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a few thoughts:
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more is NOT usually better....
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it's a good sign that you responded to the first dose.
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Waiting a few days before the second dose is also good, even if you still have a few HA's in between.
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Consider acquiring some LSA seeds as backup and 2nd line of fire. www.iamshaman.com
RC or HBWr
Good luck OmniBC
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 6th, 2006, 5:57pm » |
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A few more thoughts.... 
It's best to weigh out your doses, so you can keep track of how much you're taking and how much it takes to work.
Dosing is best done on an empty stomach.
They should not be re-used, like teabags.
Give a dose 5 days before you determine whether it's working. If an additional dose is needed, you can add more each time.
Vig is right about LSA seeds. Sometimes their addition will finally bust a stubborn cycle.
It's not at all unusual to get hit pretty hard after dosing. The pain receptors get "excited" before they shut down. Don't use SPUTS for those, it's too soon and they won't work. Try RedBull or oxygen. Try to avoid standard meds between doses, or you'll have to delay the next dose in order to detox again.
Good luck, Barry. Keep us posted, OK?
pain free wishes, nani
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 7th, 2006, 1:31am » |
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Good luck, be carefull and hope to hear good results in the next few days.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 7th, 2006, 8:16pm » |
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UPDATE:
The next day after work I jut decided to eat a whole cap. Yeah, it's more than I am supposed to need, but I felt like getting loopy anyway. I felt the shadows of a headache come and go, and then vanish for the entire night.
It took a while to get to sleep, but when i finally did i slept soundly. However, I woke up about 6 hours later with a kip 8 or 9. I had to pop an Imitrex pill because I couldn't wait it out and i needed to get to work.
I have had half a headache all day. It threatens to come on, but just doesn't. I know two days isn't enough to determine whether or not the mushrooms work, so i'm going to give it a few more days and then maybe try to round up some more mushrooms, maybe.
I have an appointment with my neurologist, so if it comes down to it i can always fall back on a prednisone dospak and some imitrex shots.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 12:19am » |
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Please, please, please go to clusterbusters.com and read everything you can. Imitrex is going to prevent mushrooms from working.
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Re: mushroom experience (and hello again)
« Reply #7 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 11:30am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2006, 8:16pm, omnibuscortex wrote:UPDATE:
The next day after work I jut decided to eat a whole cap. Yeah, it's more than I am supposed to need, but I felt like getting loopy anyway. |
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Hey bro, hope you're feeling better
Be careful, if this medicine is to work, you may have to set aside your desire to get "loopy".
and Imitrex is known to block the effects...
read up on www.clusterbusters.com
we're here to help if we can.
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Re: mushroom experience (and hello again)
« Reply #8 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 11:54am » |
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I'm sorry, but this really makes me angry. 
You're undoing YEARS of hard work that the clusterbuster folks have done...you do realize that, right? You're making a mockery of the treatment by expressing your desire to get 'loopy'. Don't you realize that medical community members follow this progress? How is this going to help the crusaders get this recognized as a viable cluster treatment and not just a 'drug seeker' looking for a high?
Taking imitrex the morning after dosing too -  Seriously, please educate yourself by reading the www.clusterbuster.com site.
You don't realize the damage you're doing here, both to the research AND to yourself. This is NOT what psilocybin therapy is about!!
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 4:56pm » |
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Angry? My headaches make you angry? MY desire to use mushrooms to get out of my head for awhile because it hurts so bad makes you angry? Well excuse me, I wasn't aware that my trigeminal nerve was directly connected to the part of your nervous system that regulates your mood.
I have to work to make money. I need to be out of pain. I don't have time to wait it out without meds and then go to work exhausted. I tried the shrooms and they worked alright the first night. I know it takes a while for them to work, supposedly, but I had a cluster so bad the next day I wanted to put my head through a brick wall. I had no choice but to pop an imitrex just to get to work. The shroom that night worked wonderfully, for that night anyway. After a week of feeling like utter garbage, it was great to be out of pain for the night and even feel good.
Excuse the fuck out of me if i didn't follow your specific regimen of treatment because i absolutely needed to abort my headache that day. Don't you lecture to me about damage. In the moment the pain hits you, you can't possibly tell me that anything on earth is more important than relief.
People like you are why i stopped posting on this board in the first place. I realized that no matter how many people are around to listen to you whine and feel sorry for you, it isn't helping relieve the pain one bit. I seem to have forgotten that.
Last I checked this was a support group site, not a medical research lab. I'd rather suffer alone than put up with crap from people like you.
Thank you to those who expressed concern, and no thank you to Margi. Goodbye again.
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 6:05pm » |
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Hey Omni, hang in here. Don’t worry bout Margi, she just cares a lot , if you know what I mean.
Getting a little loopy is no great sin to me, folks do it all the time with a shot and a beer. Now what if that shot and beer, instead of triggering an attack, ended the cycle when you do it once a week? Be okay with everyone?
And by the way, ‘getting loopy is probably not going to reduce the efficacy, if ‘loopy’ means a trip level 2 or 3. Efficacy seems to go down with the big, entheogenic (shake hands with God) doses, with trip level 4 and 5, which you probably wouldn’t call ‘loopy.’
Now understand we are talking about tryptamine hallucinogen here, and those prone to mental illness must avoid such chemicals. But I don’t see a sin in enjoying your medicine (No Driving!), especially since tryptamines pose little hazard of addiction.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 6:11pm » |
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I believe the trip level was no more than level 2, by the written descriptions of them. And thanks for the support TommyD.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 6:24pm » |
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And Barry, listen up. Lay off the triptans if you’re going to use the tryptamines. That means no imitrex before or after the psilocybin dose. The shrooms might work anyway, but for a lot of folks the trex will interfere. Best bet for those after-dose hits is oxygen.
And space the doses farther apart. Again, it might work anyway, but most folks find it takes three to seven days between doses for the psilocybin to work properly.
These little rules aren’t absolutes, but experience shows they greatly improve the chances the psilocybin will work.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 9th, 2006, 12:35am » |
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Will just call you Loopy. 
Sounds like the shrooms helped a little bit.
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Think about what you post! This is not a group pf recreational users of anything! We are trying to beat the beast! I have been chronic for 20 yrs. and have not had a pain free day in over four yrs. but I still have not tried what you are talking about. I am not trying to bash you. Just get with the program and don't damage us!......Tim
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on Sep 9th, 2006, 1:46am, tanner wrote:
Think about what you post! This is not a group pf recreational users of anything! We are trying to beat the beast! I have been chronic for 20 yrs. and have not had a pain free day in over four yrs. but I still have not tried what you are talking about. I am not trying to bash you. Just get with the program and don't damage us!......Tim
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"Just get with the program"? What program leaves you chronic for 20 years without a PF day in 4 yrs.?
"don't damage us"? How is Margi damaging anyone?
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Re: mushroom experience (and hello again)
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I screwed up the post 
I was trying to agree with Margi. My comment was directed at omnibuscortex!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 9th, 2006, 9:47pm » |
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Relax everyone. Ten years ago who'd have thought that psilocybin, LSD, or LSA could provide successful treatment for cluster? It's still an experimental treatment that only a few hundred people have tried and has NEVER been tested scientifically. Maybe we'll all learn something from omni's experience breaking the "rules". In scientific circles this is called doing an experiment. As always, there are no guarantees that it will work.
Good luck omni, and please keep reporting on your treatment and the results.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 10th, 2006, 10:29am » |
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on Sep 9th, 2006, 9:47pm, PaulL wrote:Maybe we'll all learn something from omni's experience breaking the "rules". In scientific circles this is called doing an experiment. As always, there are no guarantees that it will work.
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Perhaps. If he wants to give it the best shot at working, he really would be wise to follow the previous testers advice. I'm all for experimenting... once I know that something does work for me. Would it be fair to say it doesn't work, if we don't follow the advice of those it has worked for?
A waste of time, and "medicine", IMO.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 10th, 2006, 11:02am » |
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If it's any help, I have found less is more as it were.
When I first tried the shrooms I was doing sips every day to fend off shadows etc after the initial dose. Since then I have read up a bit and saw some people say leave it to settle down a bit before dosing again.
So this time as soon as the cluster puts in an appearance I did 1.5g. Next day I got hit (in the pub of all places, that'll teach me) and a can of Red Bull killed that. Nothing for two weeks so life carried on as normal, then I get a mild attack in the night. Got up, grabbed a couple of shrooms (probably only .5g if that) and made a cup of tea. Headache went in about 10 mins and I went back to bed. That was a week ago. I have had the odd shadow and even another moment when a can of Red Bull was called for (again, the day after the dosing) but it seems to be settling down again now. It's just having the nerve to ride out the period after a dosing to see what happens I suppose.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 11th, 2006, 6:49am » |
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at the moment i dose once every 4-6 weeks with 2gr of shrooms whether i have any activity or not (mainly not  ) ocassionalyy when i cannot take the nesssecary time of i sput which will keep me going for another 5-10 days
all this has beeen learnt from clusterbusters and other busters(they know who they are )
less is definately more!!!!!
from chronic to virtually pf in a matter of weeks my o2 consumptin has gone from 5000+litres per week to 1400 per 3 months my bill to my doctors sugery for imitrex oxygen verapamil and various other tried and tested meds from over £2000 per month to virtually zero!!!
but i dont do it to 'get loopy'
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Re: mushroom experience (and hello again)
« Reply #21 on: Sep 11th, 2006, 12:46pm » |
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sorry, have been away. Yes, Barry - your cluster headaches DO make me angry and I want them to end almost as much as you do, trust me. I hate ALL cluster headaches and what they do to people I love.
My point was illustrated (much more eloquently) by other posters in this thread. I hope you're adopting the 'less is more' approach and that you've learned the mechanics of how psilocybin can help you.
My apologies for upsetting you - your post just scared me.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 11th, 2006, 1:39pm » |
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It is funny how contentious we clusterheads can get at times.
Omni is trying a treatment from which many of us may benefit in the future, he is also being kind enough to post here abut his findings... I think this is one reason for us to appreciate his efforts.
Good Luck Omni, PF wishes to everyone.
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i would luv to try this method but i don't know where to get some srooms. i live in ga never had to use this. been a cluster H for long as i know... if anyone can help me get some in GA please let me know... im currenty on my cycle.. twice a year for 1month each..
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learn about it on www.clusterbuster.com
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