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OK, here’s something my wife stumbled upon. Detoxifying.
The concept is that your blood is overloaded with toxins to a level that are triggering the headaches.
Willing to try anything (once), I went on a De-Tox diet which restricted my intake of sugars, primarily. In addition, I found some treatments (mainly herbal) to clean the colon, the liver, and the blood. If interested, I'll list what I used, but basically, all "herbal" suppliments are pretty much the same and are my first choice.
The results have been either amazing or coincidental. Within a week, I was attack free. I may get a slight ache in my left temple on an occasion, but it’s very weak and lasts only about 5 minutes. Sometimes I’ll take three Advil’s which I’m not sure does anything, or not. But who cares so long as that creature from “Alien” isn’t trying to bust out of my head anymore. I've been three weeks free as of the date of this post.
So, here’s something new to try. I hope it works for y’all.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #1 on: Aug 25th, 2006, 1:38pm » |
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Glad it worked for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We'd love to know what you took, what you cut out of the diet, and how long you were on these products/diet.
Great news for you - and thanks for the info!
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #2 on: Aug 26th, 2006, 12:16pm » |
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Glad you discovered this method Dude.
I have been advocating strongly on this board for the past 3 years that a detox diet will always break my CH cycle, and prevent a full blown cycle from starting if I catch it in the early stages. I have broken 2 full blown cluster cycles using this method and prevented at least another 2 from taking hold in the early stages using this method.
Unfortunately most board members don't seem to take it seriously and have been flaming my posts for years.
Recently Rocklobster reported that he broke his CH cycle with a week long fast. Bit more drastic than my method but it worked for him.
My own version consists of a herbal drink and eating only fresh fruit, fresh veg and drinking only water for a week. Within 5 days my cycle stops, although I get a nasty toxic headache that lasts for up to 5 days when detoxing.
This might not work for everyone but it is definately worth a try, costs next to nothing and does not involve drugs - legal or other wise 
Hope it lasts for you
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #3 on: Aug 26th, 2006, 6:21pm » |
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Garys_Girl and jmorgan52 
As this is my first attempt at the Detoxifying method, I can’t say for sure this is the means to the end. But, this is the most normal I’ve felt in over two months. 
My “diet” consists of sugar busting. Nothing with added sugar. If I have anything sweetened, it’s with Splenda and that’s limited.
Little to no sodium.
For supplements I take three capsules of PoopDoctor (available online at PoopDoctor.com) and three capsules of Cardio Chelate with EDTA (available at most Natural Food Stores like Sprouts or Whole Foods) in the morning before a small breakfast. Mid afternoon, I have a cup of Detox Tea (Triple Leaf).
That’s it. If you try it, I hope you get great results as I apparently did.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #4 on: Aug 26th, 2006, 7:10pm » |
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Dude: you take something called "PoopDoctor"? What the hell is that? 
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #5 on: Aug 26th, 2006, 8:16pm » |
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 PoopDoctor is an all natural supplement that flushes your intestines and colon. It helps dissolve trapped particles that can add to toxins your blood, and flush them out of you. It’s the most through and complete supplement of this kind we’ve been able to find.
Also, I made a mistake on the URL. It’s PoopDoc.com.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #6 on: Aug 26th, 2006, 11:10pm » |
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I wish you success, but it seems as if you are practicing 17th century medicine.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #7 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 4:32am » |
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well Dutchman thanks for the perfect example of the lack of open mindedness to this method that I mentioned in my first response. "17th century" medicine or not - it works for me. For your info I also do colonic irrigation. It is faster and more effective than any other poop doctor 
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #8 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 4:49am » |
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on Aug 27th, 2006, 4:32am, jmorgan52 wrote:| For your info I also do colonic irrigation. |
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #9 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 6:47am » |
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Poopdoc = $40/bottle
Expensive SHIT!
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #10 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 10:31am » |
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on Aug 27th, 2006, 4:32am, jmorgan52 wrote:well Dutchman thanks for the perfect example of the lack of open mindedness to this method that I mentioned in my first response. "17th century" medicine or not - it works for me. For your info I also do colonic irrigation. It is faster and more effective than any other poop doctor
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Not particularly desiring to be labeled "closed-minded" here (heaven forbid), but--umm--the headache's on the other end. 
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #11 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 10:42am » |
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on Aug 27th, 2006, 6:47am, Bob P wrote:Poopdoc = $40/bottle
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any on-line herbal company like PapaNature can offer you alternatives that are less expensive.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #12 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 2:05pm » |
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Thanks for the info, Dude. And John, I'm glad you've been able to bust the cycles so easily.
Just an FYI: fasting and detoxifying via herbal cleansers and enemas (or colonic irrigation) is 20th/21st century science, not 17th century. As a vegetarian in high school and college, I had to struggle to find organic foods and had to constantly explain the "healthy" argument over and over.
Now almost every supermarket has an organic section and every pharmacy has an extensive herbal supplements section. And the health benefits of colonic irrigation are so well known that almost all high-end spas offer wheat grass enemas. The benefits of antioxidants are now not just well-know, but clinically proven. And if you don't know the benefits of whole grains and unprocessed foods vs. white bread, white rice, and white sugar, then you are living in the dark ages.
An adult that has lived on a traditional meat-eating diet as opposed to a whole grain, vegetarian diet is carrying up to 10 pounds of crap, literally, collected in the pockets/folds of your colon.
The detoxifying method of busting CH cycles here may not work for some to bust the cycles, but they are certainly a healthy practice for any adult to use at least once a year.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #13 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 2:46pm » |
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on Aug 27th, 2006, 2:05pm, Garys_Girl wrote:
An adult that has lived on a traditional meat-eating diet as opposed to a whole grain, vegetarian diet is carrying up to 10 pounds of crap, literally, collected in the pockets/folds of your colon.
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10 pounds? Holy batpoop, Laurie! Do you mean 10 ounces?
10 pounds of crap would cause your colon to fall outa your butt.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 3:01pm » |
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No, I mean 10 pounds. Talk to any GI specialist. Or any coroner.
Just like the waste that travels through the pipes in your home and then through sewers, the waste in our bodies also builds up. It's called impacted waste. And remember - it's hiding in your system at 98.6 degrees.
It not only impairs the ability of your colon to function, it creates toxins and poisons that are then released back into your blood stream. There is already research out there that links this problem to headaches. So it is entirely possible that part of a headache problem does need to be treated at the other end.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #15 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 6:53pm » |
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Now have I got this correct,, after eating my pork chops I guzzel a bottle of poopdokter and it gets rid of my headaches..
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Re: Detoxifying
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on Aug 27th, 2006, 6:53pm, rhino wrote: Now have I got this correct,, after eating my pork chops I guzzel a bottle of poopdokter and it gets rid of my headaches..
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #17 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 11:42pm » |
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #18 on: Aug 28th, 2006, 6:00am » |
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didnt quite get the methot for detoxifying. Still got English problem but my husband suffers pain in his stomach all the time he cant eat most of the thing would you able to mail me what you have use
PS: Most of you may not know but do Stool test and you will find out all the bad bacterias causing you pain
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Re: Detoxifying
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Not sure I agree with the 10 pounds of crap but... The first ever colonic I had last year I weighed myself before and after and did not see that much difference, maybe 2 pounds, but what was significant, to me at least, was the fact that although I have never suffered from any noticeable bowel "movement problems" there were 2 bad blockages about 1/3 and 2/3 into my colon that took 2 treatments about a week apart to clear. The matter that came out at these points was black and hard and I felt "crampy" during the treatment.
This means that my "normal movements" had to squeeze by this hard matter for years maybe. I have been twice since then at 6 month intervals and the matter that came out each time was soft and with no blockages and no cramp. The cost here is about US$30 per 45 min treatment (costs less than 1 imigran injection) which is quite reasonable I think and worth it if it helps me feel better and reduces the risk of colon cancer and maybe headaches.
As for me busting CH "so easily" that's a bit of a joke! I am 54 now and have had CH and Migraines since I can remember and it took me until about 10 years ago when I discovered (very expensive) imigran injections, to find anything to abort my 2-4 daily each 2-4 hour long 2-3 month CH cycles. I just had to suffer them.
When I was offered a detox product out of the blue 3 years ago I was halfway through my cycle and was at the end of my rope stage. I had nothing to lose so I tried it. I ate onlt fruit and veg and water. It made me much worse for the first 3 or 4 days when I had a constant kip 8+ headache the whole time, but I stuck it out and woke up on day 5 feeling wonderful and did not have another headache of any sort for the next year. I actually continued this detox for a total of 4 weeks and lots of other small benefits started to be seen.
I lost 10kgs
My dry scalp and dandruff disapperared
My regular aching knees, back and hands stopped aching
I had more energy
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I slacked off eventually (this lifestyle is not easy to keep up) and the following year my CH cycle started again over Christmas. No matter what, you cannot do this detox over Christmas with house visitors so I was back on 1/2 imitran injs again for 2 weeks and the on 2nd Jan started the same detox with the exact same results as before. I have never had a CH since then.
I now start a week long detox about every 6 months (I started one today) as I have had quite a few minor headaches in the past few weeks and have been plucking up the willpower to do it again. It is not that easy 
And paulc & co; grow up - this is serious stuff! We are trying to help people here. If you are really looking to stop your CH then give this method a try instead of making stupid comments.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #20 on: Aug 28th, 2006, 3:14pm » |
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If a person has "toxins" in their blood, they would show up if a blood test was done. The idea of "detoxifying" the body by various diets, supplements, etc. is ancient; while a "detoxifying diet" will not harm someone, unless taken to extremes, it will not affect cluster headaches. I think that it is safe to say that all of the neurologists and other physicians who are experts in cluster headaches, have never recommended such diets as a cure for CH nor as a way of minimizing the pain. They also all agree that the hypothalamus is the area of the body that is the cause of CH, but the exact reason that a malfunctioning hypothalamus causes CH is not yet known, but I have never read a paper claiming that their is a link between what is in your colon and CH. "Cleaning the colon", which does a good job on its own, is unnecessary. If the colon and the digestive tract are not functioning correctly, medical testing will reveal the cause-be it piles(sp), a tumor or other illness. There is no link between the colon and the hypothalamus nor is there a link between the colon and CH. Anecdotal "evidence", which is what has been presented on this post, needs to be proven scientifically. I would suggest that all of those who claim that taking purgatives has helped or "cured" their CH bring their evidence to a competent neuologist and get their opinion-perhaps even sending a letter to Dr. Goadsby and see what he says. Waste does not accumulate in the digestive tract for very long-it is replaced daily by new waste. I urge those new sufferers-and old timers-to check out colonic cleansing with their neurologist before embarking upon it. As I wrote earlier, going on one of these diets will not do any harm in the short term, but it is possible to become addicted to laxatives and that can cause some serious medical problems. There is a clinic in Mexico that claims that it can "cure" cancer through colonic cleansing and they charge a fortune. One of the most famous people to go there was the late, great Steve McQueen; he had cancer and was told that nothing could be done for him, so he went, paid and died. The clinic is still in business and making money and the people with untreatable cancer still pay and die; the ones who have been "cured" never had cancer, according to their American doctors, but the clinic's doctors did their tests and confirmed cancer and then "cured" it. Be careful folks...and I should have written this before I made my other, sarcastic remarks, for which I apologize. My last words on this are get diagnosed by a neurologist who knows about CH and if you are diagnosed as having CH (I am chronic), ask your docs opinion about colonic cleansing with regards to CH and please don't ignore other forms of treatment that might be offered. We suffer enough, both from the illness and the prejudice from non-CH people, which we have all been through, without causing ourselves more suffering by using unproven treatments which may raise our hopes only to find them dashed.
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Re: Detoxifying
« Reply #21 on: Aug 28th, 2006, 4:29pm » |
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Yeh yeh - heard it all before Paul. This is the standard argument response I have had with others on the board for years.
I also never stated that toxins were in the blood either so a blood test may show nothing. I also never stated that there was a link between the colon and CH - I just said I did it to aid my own detox. I bust my previous 2 CH cycles using my version of the Detox diet without the colonic. So did Rocklobster and so it seems did the Dude.
And I have never used laxatives. In fact the colonic experts decry the use of them!
I also never claimed colonics would cure cancer, but it might well prevent it.
So whether you think this is a bunch of crap - well that's just your view, but it works for at least 3 of us.
I have emailed Dr Goadsby at least 3 times on this subject over the years but have never been given a reply to date. And just because we have found that this works has nothing to do with what medical science agrees with or disagrees with. It works for me and I am just so grateful to have discovered this totally drug free method of busting my CH with a diet and willpower
And apologies accepted. Just be more open minded and don't be bogged down with the medical and pharmaceutical profession, a lot of them are just after your money. Lots of other non-medical ways of getting relief are talked about openly here and I doubt many doctors would agree with some of the methods that work to relieve our pain.
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Re: Detoxifying
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on Aug 28th, 2006, 4:29pm, jmorgan52 wrote:| Just be more open minded and don't be bogged down with the medical and pharmaceutical profession, a lot of them are just after your money. |
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It just could be possible the same could be said also for organic and herbal supplement suppliers.
on Aug 27th, 2006, 2:05pm, Garys_Girl wrote:| Now almost every supermarket has an organic section and every pharmacy has an extensive herbal supplements section. |
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John:
Sorry to hear you've suffered for so long. Let me rephrase that post. Glad to hear you've found an alternative method that works for you and has other added health benefits as opposed to health risks.
As to the comments about impacted waste, surely you've heard of diverticulitis? Because it is so prevalent and so well documented, it is easy to illustrate the point.
Fom emedicine.com (http://www.emedicine.com/radio/topic183.htm):
"Diverticulitis is inflammation in and around a diverticulum. The cause of diverticulitis is probably mechanical. The stagnation of nonsterile inspissated fecal material, termed a fecalith, within the diverticulum may compromise the blood supply to the thin-walled sac and render it susceptible to invasion by colonic bacteria, causing inflammatory erosion of the mucosal lining with perforation. This sequence of events can involve perforation into the colonic wall, with the formation of an intramural abscess. However, perforation usually occurs into the pericolic fat, leading to fibrinous exudate, abscess formation, local adhesions, or peritonitis. Most patients develop sealed-off abscesses or contained sinus tracts and fistulas.... Other potential complications include bowel obstruction and peritonitis.
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* In the US: Diverticular disease is the most common colon disease in Western nations. In the West, colonic diverticula occur in 5% of the population by the time individuals are aged 40 years. They affect 33-50% of the population older than 50 years and more than 50% of the population older than 80 years."
I bolded the part that would refer to what could be called impacted waste. It is discussed specifically in relation to diverticulitis here, but this clearly indicates that western science has identified that nonsterile, "inspissated" (thickened - therefore not new and fresh) fecal material can be present in the colon.
There is a "plain english" discussion in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis
To address the issue of toxins,
"Doctor Colins states, " when the colon becomes burdened with an accumulation of waste material: impacted feces, bacteria, fungi, viruses, parasites, and dead cellular material, the result is termed - bowel toxemia - . This condition causes inflammation and swelling of the bowel surface, and can lead to a host of other health problems. Normal absorption of nutrients, secretory functions, and normal muscular function of the colon are disrupted. Irregular and inefficient bowel movement is the result, further surppressing recovery and encouraging other problems."
"Bowel toxemia and improper digestion can cause a buildup in the intestines of pathological bacteria, viruses, and fermented and putrefactive gases that become dangerous to the body and can lead to other illnesses." http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/colon.html
Also, "Three types of toxins may be present in the intestinal tract. These are as follows:
1. PUTREFACTION – caused by the spoilage of protein. Guanidine, histamine and other organic toxins may be formed as a result of bacterial action.
2. RANCIDITY – caused by the spoilage of fats. This may occur either locally or from the ingestion of rancid fats. The end product of rancidity is peroxides which are harsh irritants.
3. FERMENTATION – caused by the production of gas by bacterial action. Carbohydrates are primarily concerned. Nitrogen is the principal component of intestinal gas. A certain amount of intestinal gas (flatulence) is to be expected in normal persons."
http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Colon%20Health/rod3.htm
Even I did not suggest a connection between CH and excess waste in the colon, however, the claims by just about every "colon hydrotherapist" on the net that sluggish colons can cause and/or exacerbate arthritis and some headaches (among other things) would seem to be supported by potential toxins that can be created in the intestinal tract.
The fact is, no one knows what the mechanism of action is that causes the dysfunction of the hypothalamus that then results in cluster headaches.
Discussing any treatment, including fasting or detoxifying, with one's Doctor is always a good idea. I'm not sure that a neurologist is the best Doc with which to discuss these issues as they specialize in the brain and nervous system, not the GI system. This is both the wonder and the problem with western medicine. The specialization has resulted in fabulous treatments for many diseases; however, it has also dissociated the body into parts, sometimes overlooking the interaction between those parts.
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Re: Detoxifying
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To all my friends on this post, thank you for the stimulating responses. I really appreciate every response whether positive or negative. The pattern I see is that there is a degree of personal uniqueness in each case which one could conclude that no one treatment is a one size fits all, in every occurrence. My personal 20+ years of trial and error has made the same conclusion.
The main point to this wonderful website is that no response or opinion is wrong. It’s to provide possibilities and support. We all share this mysterious condition with some similarity and some uniqueness.
We, as suffers and the medical and herbal communities, can not isolate what actually causes these monsters, or why. One reason could be that no one thing does. It could be a combination of elements or circumstances that react to each individual’s condition at that particular time. Thusly, what worked last time may not necessarily give the same relief the next time (sound familiar?). Or, what helped at the start of the cycle quit helping a couple of weeks later.
Thusly, we come together at this wonderful site to read what other people are doing that we haven’t tried and to give that a try to see if it works. If it does, fantastic!! If not, we try something else, right? If one treatment works time after time for you, great! I wish that were me, but it’s not. So I browse this site to find a possibility I haven’t tried and try it.
I do not preach that my way is only path to relief. It’s not. It’s just one of many paths available. It may be a path one never saw. It may be a good path. It may be a path that yields no relief. It’s an option. And what you may find that works this session, may not work next time. But we don’t give up, do we? 
Thank you again and keep those cards and letters coming! 
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