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SchwarzenSchafe
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Psilocybe anecdote
« on: Aug 20th, 2006, 6:10am » |
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The use of psilocybes to treat CH interests me because I've used P Cubensis recreationally off and on for about 7 years. I just made a list of places I've lived in my life (which I've replaced with numbers below). If I had at least one debilitating headache (defined as "unable to function" at that location I put an x in the H column. If I had a memory of ingesting mushrooms while living at that location I put an x in the M column. I put quite a bit of thought into it and didn't mark an x unless I had a clear memory of a specific instance. For example during number 10 I'm sure I had moderate headaches but nothing severe enough that I could recall a memory of a specific attack. #1 would be about the year 1995, #11 is the present.
Edit: YABB has reformatted this list, making it less than clear. To summarize, during almost every period in my life in which I used mushrooms, my headaches were either nonexistant or so minimal as to be non-memorable.
H M Location
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x 1
x x 2
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Other drug use might be relevant according to some things I've read... I drank alcohol moderately/heavily in high school (1-2), never noticed it to be a trigger but in the last 10 years I've used it only rarely/socially. Used marijuana occasionally from about 3-8. Occasionally it seemed abortive if taken at onset or would mildly mitigate the pain, but I couldn't definitively say it was effective at all and it wasn't consistent enough to be considered a treatment even if it was. Never used caffeine, nicotine, or any synthetic drugs.
As you can see the either-or distrubution of X's above is striking. Even during #2 the only headache I can recall was at the beginning of that time period, and the use of mushrooms occured only in the latter part. It would be premature to say that psilocybes are an effective treatment for me, but I plan on using mushrooms again as soon as my next cycle starts all the same.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #1 on: Aug 20th, 2006, 1:14pm » |
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on Aug 20th, 2006, 6:10am, SchwarzenSchafe wrote:| It would be premature to say that psilocybes are an effective treatment for me, but I plan on using mushrooms again as soon as my next cycle starts all the same. |
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It's not premature to say it's worked for me. www.clusterbusters.com 
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #2 on: Aug 21st, 2006, 2:26am » |
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works for me too 
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Me too.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #4 on: Aug 21st, 2006, 9:19am » |
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It kinda worked for me it broke up my cycle and now I only get one cycle per year instead of two. If I had had a steady supply of the stuff I feel that it would have worked wonders. 
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #5 on: Aug 21st, 2006, 9:24am » |
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The trick, for episodics, is to dose before your next cycle. This will often prevent it altogether. Some of us have to dose pretty regularly in order to keep it under control.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #6 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 2:11am » |
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This afternoon I secured an unlimited supply of my new little blue friends. I'm going to wait till I start another cycle before dosing though.
I noticed a few surveys on the effectiveness of hallucinagens for CH... is there any way to see the results? I've read a lot of the anecdotal reports, but I was wondering if there are any survey results that show effectiveness as a percentage of those that have tried it as a treatment?
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on Aug 21st, 2006, 9:24am, nani wrote:| The trick, for episodics, is to dose before your next cycle. This will often prevent it altogether. Some of us have to dose pretty regularly in order to keep it under control. |
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Agree with Nani. My remission period is currently being extended with this method it seems.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #8 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 6:56am » |
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SchwarzenSchafe -
The case review study done by Drs. Sewell, Halpern and Pope and published in Neurology this spring showed:
Psilocybin ended cycles completely for 52 percent, and was partially effective for another 37 percent and ineffective for the rest. With LSD, seven out of eight (88 percent) ended the cycle.
I have collected a couple hundred reports from the Internet, but I categorized them differently than did the docs.
The (completely unscientific) count: about 80 - 85 percent of episodics found significant (tho not necessarily complete) relief with psilocybin, LSA or LSD, and about 67 percent of chronics found significant relief.
The reports are still coming in, and I haven't tallied them in a while, so I don't have exact, up to date figures.
Hope this helps. Got to go to work now or could provide more detail.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #9 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 2:31pm » |
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An article at about.com describing the study published by Drs. Halpern and Sewell in Neurology (a peer review magazine): http://headaches.about.com/od/clusterheadaches/a/mushrooms_lsd.htm
A summary of the Neurology article at their site: http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/12/1920
The authors note that the results may be skewed to better results than would be seen in large clinical trials of the general CH population as the tendency may be for those with positive results to participate in the study.
The doses of hallucinogenics are usually at sub-hallucinogenic levels.
BTW - LSA = "seeds," which are usually Rivea Corymbosa (RC) seeds, though HBWR (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) seeds are sometimes used. They are more difficult to work with. Seeds are much easier for people in the U.S. to procure than LSD or psilocybin mushrooms because of the drug laws here vs. those in Europe.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #10 on: Sep 4th, 2006, 7:33am » |
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Works for me (chronic CH), and the remission period being extended, as OUCH-USA say in their last news letter: the best against CH.
Wishing all a PFP
Yours sincerely
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #11 on: Sep 4th, 2006, 3:58pm » |
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I used LSD 3 times in my life during 3 different years when I was younger. I started getting clusters at age 14. All 3 years I took LSD I got no cluster cycle. All the other years during that time period I did.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #12 on: Sep 4th, 2006, 7:27pm » |
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scientific advances often start with anecdotes.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #13 on: Sep 19th, 2006, 9:34pm » |
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Worked for me. 18 month remission. But now the beast has returned and no fungus to be found. 
To make it worse melatonin and B50's is having no effect(it did before the fungus). Been using taurine as well for a weekwith no help. Kudzu ineffective. Bought some magnesium tonight hopefully it will work well with the taurine and give some relief.
To think Willie got popped with 10 grams today.
How quickly I forgot how evil ch's are.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #14 on: Sep 20th, 2006, 1:26am » |
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on Sep 19th, 2006, 9:34pm, beerbarge wrote:Worked for me. 18 month remission. But now the beast has returned and no fungus to be found.
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Not to pick on you...I read this same situation all the time.
I find it hard to figure out why people with success with these, don't grow them while out of cycle. It takes a couple hours of reading, 50 bucks and two hours in the kitchen.
Honestly people, it ain't difficult.
I know all the problems....no one has to explain why. It'll just remain a mystery.
I might suggest checking out the info on clusterbusters.com and looking into ordering some seeds.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #15 on: Sep 20th, 2006, 9:13am » |
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on Sep 20th, 2006, 1:26am, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Not to pick on you...I read this same situation all the time.
I find it hard to figure out why people with success with these, don't grow them while out of cycle. It takes a couple hours of reading, 50 bucks and two hours in the kitchen.
Honestly people, it ain't difficult.
I know all the problems....no one has to explain why. It'll just remain a mystery.
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I've checked out clusterbusters extensively. Mycobags etc.(which there was no info on a couple years ago). I have one main issue to overcome. A wife who freaks out at the thought because we have 2 young children. Black market is a little difficult for me since I'm 36. Back in the day procuring my medicine of choice would have taken a couple hours.....if that. go figure.
I'm at the point of just saying f-it though and knocking out the next cycle in the spring.
I saw Floyd in 94 in Madison, WI. at the time I was 24 and had no problems finding goodies.
Saw Phish at their 3 day millenium show in 1999/2000. Guess what. The kids avaoided me like the plague.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #16 on: Sep 20th, 2006, 4:32pm » |
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Beerbarge -
LSA seeds from flowering vines such as the Rivea corymbosa and the Hawaiian baby wood rose can be legally purchased, possessed and propagated - for gardening purposes only, of course. Eating them (or extracting LSA) is illegal, though, even for cluster headaches.
I will not say LSA works as well as psilocybin, but the early results look good so far, about 70 - 75 percent effective, by unscientific count.
Check out the LSA faq on the Clusterbusters site.
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Re: Psilocybe anecdote
« Reply #17 on: Sep 20th, 2006, 9:14pm » |
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on Sep 20th, 2006, 4:32pm, tommyD wrote:Beerbarge -
LSA seeds from flowering vines such as the Rivea corymbosa and the Hawaiian baby wood rose can be legally purchased, possessed and propagated - for gardening purposes only, of course. Eating them (or extracting LSA) is illegal, though, even for cluster headaches.
I will not say LSA works as well as psilocybin, but the early results look good so far, about 70 - 75 percent effective, by unscientific count.
Check out the LSA faq on the Clusterbusters site.
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tommyD,
Thanks for the heads up. I was under the impression these were in the same classification as Shrooms or lsd.
It's worth a shot for me.
Thanks,
Rob
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