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Cnidium & Tea Formula
« on: Feb 11th, 2006, 6:41pm » |
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I'm not normally the type to go to a Chinese herbalist, but for the past 3 weeks my CH's (the first series of them I've ever had) have been so torchureous and painful that today I went to one in Studio City, CA. I told her I was looking for kudzu because of the message boards I saw here for non-prescribed treatmments, but after she told me what my CH symptoms are without even asking me (eyelid closing, pain in eye, head, face, inability to sit still during CH, inability to go back to sleep, etc.), she told me she was giving me a Cnidium & Tea supplement that would work much better and is much more potent. She told me kudzu is good only for hangover type headaches, not severe CH's. I got a bottle of 100 pills for $18, she also gave me a chinese painkiller "Yan Hu Suo' she said will help if the CH does come back. She told me taking 3 pills/day , 3x/day for 2 weeks will prevent CH's from coming back, and then to start taking them again if they do come back. Until then, she said I may not get them at all but if I do they will be extremely less painfull and short in duration. For anyone in LA area, the store is Amy's Vitamin Land on 12069 Ventura Pl. in Studio City. To order online or phone go to www.amysvitamin.com or call 818-763-6602. So far today, no CH since taking my new Chinese remedies  , normally by this time I would have had at least 1. I don't currently have health insurance, so I avoided the doctor's office for $ reasons.
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
« Reply #1 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 7:25pm » |
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Imagine that... 3 weeks into your first episode ever and you stumble across, in a vitamin store of all places, the person who has the cure for CH.
Incredible. Well, I guess we can shut down this board now.
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
« Reply #2 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 7:34pm » |
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So you take Cndium for clusters or for acne, erectile dysfunction, vaginitis, ringworm, open lesions?
What?
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 8:26pm » |
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Sounds just a bit fishy to me. Having had the monster in my head all my life, and never heard of anything that would cure in 3 weeks.
Well, maybe not fishy, but snakey, as in snake oil. Do they have a wagon with ribbions and flashy things too???
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
« Reply #4 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 9:06pm » |
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 6:41pm, jfrench wrote:| she told me she was giving me a Cnidium & Tea supplement that would work much better and is much more potent. |
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Walking into a vitamin store and they found something to sell you for what ails ya. What are the odds?
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 9:22pm » |
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I had a flash of "Flo-ishness"  and looked it up. It does have anti-coagulant properties. I suppose it's possible...
edited to add: It's used for erectile dysfunction. Western ED meds are vaso-dilators...
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 9:22pm, nani wrote:I had a flash of "Flo-ishness" and looked it up. It does have anti-coagulant properties. I suppose it's possible...
edited to add: It's used for erectile dysfunction. Western ED meds are vaso-dilators... |
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
« Reply #7 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 9:38pm » |
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Getting more interesting:
Yan Hu Suo Properties: PUNGENT, BITTER - WARM Dosage: 4.5 – 12g.
Corydalis Rhizome Meridian: HEART, LIVER, LUNG, STOMACH
-invigorate blood, promote movement of Qi
-alleviate pain
Also Used For:
Orally, Yan Hu Suo is used for mild depression, neuroses, emotional disturbances, severe nerve damage, and limb tremors. It is also used orally as a mild sedative and tranquilizer, hallucinogen, to lower blood pressure, and to relax small intestine peristalsis.
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
« Reply #8 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 10:45pm » |
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Not that I'm an herbalist, by any means, and still think Kudzu is the worlds greatest placebo, but does cinchona bark for treating malaria ring a bell?
Whadda I know.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 10:55pm » |
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It's too bad you cynics and skeptics are being complete wiseasses and assh*#les. I took my time today to register as a member to share the remedy I found to help others who share the pain of CH's that I did. I did not stumble in the vitamin store, I called to see if they had kudzu, the bullshit herb u guys on this message board said would help. On a normal day I would have had 2-3 CH's by now and I have had 0 !!! so u can accept my offer or continue to suffer, seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense, but if u think I joined this to waste my time and promote a little old Asian lady's store you're wrong. But for anyone who has sense like me I recommend u try what I did b/c this is the 1st day in 3 weeks I've been fully funtional, happy, and pain-free.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 11:00pm » |
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 9:06pm, Kevin_M wrote:
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Actually Kevin, the kudzu was more expensive than the bottle of 100 pills i bought for $18. But I suppose I should have been a victim of big pharmaceuticals ad campaigns and lobbying doctors and payed hundreds of dollars for the drugs that are recommended on this site opposed to my $18? i don't think so. again, i am now CH free for now, so I'm glad I listened to the little old Asian lady and not you guys, the reason this site is still so active is b/c noone, including doctors, have seemed to find a viable remedial antidote. If anyone's smart, get what I got and do your research if you're bright enough to use google Kevin.
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
« Reply #11 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 11:17pm » |
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I hope it did work for you.
If you are a true clusterhead and this was your very first cycle then it may have just run its course.
You will know when it comes back because they always come back!
Be prepared but don't come talking smack.
Sharing is one thing that is expected and appreciated, but to come here and not explain what brought you to the point of seeking help and attempting to to not be in pain and then making a sales pitch is wrong. Period.
When anything is posted we research it because it may be worth trying.
When all of the literature details the medicinal value of such herb in regards to vaginitis, acne, and many skin disorder then one delves further.
Good luck and just in case, read and arm yourself with information and not just chance
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 11th, 2006, 11:40pm » |
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hey E-Double u guys r the ones talkin smack prick. i offered advice, take it or leave it. u think i'm making a sales pitch for chinese herb selling for $18. I manage talent that u watch on tv and hear on the radio every week. I'm an Irish guy from the projects in Boston who now lives in a 3 million dollar home in studio city. but guess what, I don't have health insurance that covers meds ( I have a shitty entertainment union insurance), and i prefer natural cures because I was once addicted to opiates. You did some crappy research if that's what u found on. type Cnidium on google and the 1st thing u get is about it remedying headaches-pay attention prick, and i don't take disrespect well. when i try to help people and they talk shit after i get pissed, so if u got more to say i'll be happy to give u my phone # cuz u r seriously a prick. by the way i'm CH free feelin good right now, not 1 all day!!!! Listen and learn buddy
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 12:06am » |
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Quote:| Amy's Vitamin Land on 12069 Ventura Pl. in Studio City. To order online or phone go to www.amysvitamin.com or call 818-763-6602. |
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Amy = JFRENCH
JFRENCH = amy
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I'm sorry people...I'm interested. We know that BP lowering drugs can be a prevent, we know that hallucinogenics can be a prevent and an abortive. We know that anti-coagulants may help, we're not sure if the ED function of the herb is because it's a vaso-dilator (that was just my assumption). I'd be very interested to see what Flo has to say about this....
jfrench, can you describe your regimen in more detail?
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 10:55pm, jfrench wrote:| I have a master's degree .... |
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.... in foul language and bad spelling, or what?
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on Feb 12th, 2006, 12:16am, nani wrote:| I'm sorry people...I'm interested. We know that BP lowering drugs can be a prevent, we know that hallucinogenics can be a prevent and an abortive. We know that anti-coagulants may help, we're not sure if the ED function of the herb is because it's a vaso-dilator (that was just my assumption). I'd be very interested to see what Flo has to say about this.... |
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I'm sorry nani, but
of all the drugs to lower blood pressure only calcium cannel blockers (and this Chinese herb) help CH.
of all the hallucinogenics only those containing psilocybin or LSA or related compounds (and this Chinese herb) help CH.
of all the anti-coagulants only Warfarin might be helpful for CH. We all know that Aspirin doesn't help for CH, in contrast to this Chinese herb.
IMNSHO, jfrench probably has not CH, but is a textbook example someone preying on the suffering of others.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 1:20am » |
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Cnidium seed contains several compounds including coumarins, osthol, imperatorin, glucides and hepatoprotective sesquiterpenes. The coumarins may help a little but its pharmacology can't possibly be an effective abortive or preventive for CH.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 1:54am » |
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BB and Ueli...
In no way am I as knowledgeable about this stuff than you two and Flo. I'll get that out of the way first. I'm also not sure this isn't just another attempt by a snake oil vendor. However....call it intuition, or a gut feeling...I just feel like there may something to this.
BB, there are 2 different herbs mentioned. The Yan Hu Suo is the hallucinogen. Didn't I read somewhere about someone using another hallucinogen (other than psilocybin, LSD, or LSA)? Something that may have started with a D or an M?  The info I saw (albeit briefly) on this Yan Hu Suo didn't say what the hallucinogenic substance was.
And we really can't say that the BP lowering properties aren't through calcium channel blocking, yet.
Nothing about kudzu sounded especially applicable, especially prior to Flo's research. The description of a liver tonic and alcohol detox certainly wouldn't apply. It was part desperation and part intuition that drove me to buy that first bottle. Well, that, and Flo's research.
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 3:10am » |
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Nani,
The other hallucinogen I think you refer to is DMT very potent very scary stuff.
Regarding "Yan Hu Suo" Cordyalis root
From the shaman shop
"Corydalis is a relative of the opium poppy that contains similar pain-killing alkaloids, but which are non-addictive as well as analgesic.
The tuber contains more than 20 active alkaloids, the most active of which are the cordalines, tetrahydropalmatine (THP), and protopine.
The alkaloids provide the herb with an analgesic effect that is about 1/10 of the strength of opium or 1/100 of the strength of morphine. The mechanism for its analgesic effect is similar to that of morphine, inhibiting the reticular-activating system in the brain stem, but without impacting opiate receptors. Chinese researchers report that 75 mg of THP daily was effective in reducing nerve pain in 78% of the patients tested.
Although the herb is far weaker than its stronger narcotic cousins, it is safer, and still has value in pain and stress relief, and as a sedative for insomnia. Corydalis can also be very sedating and therefore useful if there is insomnia associated with the pain. In insomnia patients, sleep was induced within 20-30 minutes after oral administration of 100-200mg dl-THP, without subsequent dizziness or vertigo.
Because of its usefulness in blood deficiency as well as in pain relief, it is an ideal herb for menstrual pain relief. Chinese researchers have demonstrated success in treating painful menstruation (dysmenorrhea), abdominal pain after childbirth, and headache with THP.
THP's analgesia and sedation have been shown to work, at least in part, by blocking postsynaptic dopamine receptors in the central nervous system. Unlike tranquilizers though, it does not affect brain serotonin levels, deplete monoamine stores, or block GABA receptors. It also has been shown to stimulate the secretion of ACTH (adreno-corticotrophic hormone) by the pituitary gland, which controls aspects of stress.
THP also has very valuable cardiovascular actions. It has been shown to decrease the stickiness of platelets, thereby protecting against stroke. It has also been shown to lower blood pressure and heart rate. THP also has been shown to have a muscle relaxing effect, working on smooth muscles as well as skeletal muscles. It reduced coronary resistance, increased coronary bloodflow, and dilated coronary blood vessels in rabbits, cats, and mice. The cumulative effect is to promote rhythmic efficiency. This, in effect, vasodilation, has been shown to be very helpful with migraine.
Side effects of Corydalis are minimal and toxicity is low, although CNS depression has been reported at high dosage levels.
The herb does not affect liver or renal functions, blood pressure or heart rate; and side effects associated with morphine such as nausea, respiratory suppression, and addiction are absent. "
You may be onto something there jfrench.
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 10:55pm, jfrench wrote:| i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. |
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For that statement alone you deserve to be beatin to death and your body dragged for miles you piece of shit!
This fucking punk does not have CH.....only a fool would believe that it does.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 4:04am » |
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Hi jfrench
Welcome to the board!
Warning - There are at least a dozen people here who just love to jump on newbie posters who think thay have a cure. They try and intimidate you with derogatory language and unsults to you intelligence. They want you to be very carefull what you say in your first postings and wait until you have long term proof of what works.
Ignore them and stay here long term to keep us informed of your progress.
But.... anyone selling bullshit or promoting real snake oil cures better beware as these guys will catch you out.
I for one don't think you are trying to promote a small healthstore.
You may just be at the end of your CH cycle. The first few can take less than 3-4 weeks to run their course. It may have had a placebo effect which just speeded up you cycle to end.
Whatever it was I'm glad you are PF now.
For the record we get many "off the wall" treatments posted here, some of which turn out to be very effective, but still the cyncics don't believe.
I am open minded to the Kudzu, Mushroom/LSD, Seeds, etc route, but I have never tried them so I can't really comment on their effectiveness. I am also willing to accept that chinese medicine may help.
Unlike Ueli, Rock Lobstrer, Edouble, Dragnlance, Chewy and co who just love to jump on anything alternative without being prepared to give it and try, and then proceed to put others off trying it because they instinctively think they know better than you do because of their wealth of scientific bullshit babble. For instance:
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=medsarchive2 003;action=display;num=1036479389;start=11#11
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Re: Cnidium & Tea Formula
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on Feb 12th, 2006, 4:04am, jmorgan52 wrote:Warning - There are at least a dozen people here who just love to jump on newbie posters who think thay have a cure. They try and intimidate you with derogatory language and unsults to you intelligence.
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 10:55pm, jfrench wrote:| It's too bad you cynics and skeptics are being complete wiseasses and assh*#les. so u can accept my offer or continue to suffer, seeing what jerks and doubters u all are i actually hope u don't try it and keep suffering. . |
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 11:40pm, jfrench wrote:| hey E-Double u guys r the ones talkin smack prick. pay attention prick, u r seriously a prick. |
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This quote is my favorite......LMMFAO!!!! 
on Feb 11th, 2006, 11:40pm, jfrench wrote:| I'm an Irish guy from the projects in Boston who now lives in a 3 million dollar home in studio city. but guess what, I don't have health insurance that covers meds |
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What a fucking putz.....LOL!!!!
on Feb 11th, 2006, 10:55pm, jfrench wrote:| I have a master's degree so I'd like to think I have a little sense |
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A piece of paper means shit, if your so smart how come your health insurance does not cover meds?
What was that phone number again?
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For once I will join in in the bullshit and feed these trolls then I'm out!!!!!!!!!!
Jfrench you scumbag! All I did was ask for more information and you proved yourself a farce!
JMorgan you bigger FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never done anything but support you.
I typically don't jump down peoples throats nor question some of the so-called alts. because of what it may potentially provide in relief.
But both you fuckers just pissed off a typically polite and respectful dude who is on little sleep.
So FUCK YOU!
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on Feb 11th, 2006, 11:40pm, jfrench wrote:| type Cnidium on google and the 1st thing u get is about it remedying headaches-pay attention prick:::::: |
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1st link from goodle dick head
Quote:Cnidium Monnieri herb for sex libido aphrodisiac acne skin care ...Cnidium Monnieri Cnidium Monnieri herb for sex libido aphrodisiac acne skin care itchy skin.
healthyherbs.about.com/cs/chineseherbalism/a/090303.htm - Similar pages |
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If you want to sell your shit properly you would at least tell your prey to specifically type in Cnidium + Headache so that they could find that it helps all types of headaches. It's a miracle.
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