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What is freedoom of speech?
« on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:00pm » |
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Two days ago at work we had a training seminair on Discrimination in readyness for the new laws (35 years behind the UK) that may be passed this year but definitely will be passed in the next 5 years, the speakers words not mine.
We were told what was said in the room stayed in the room, this was to make us aware of the situation for the future WHEN the law is passed.
As an example of prejudice she used the Irish conflict of the past, stating we are affected by how we are brought up.
i,e "the Catholics were taught to hate the Prodistants and the Prodistants were taught to hate the Catholics". I stated that my Dad used to say 35 years ago when I was growing up "that they should just drop a bomb on them all and that would end the trouble".
Now I know that there is a lot more to the whole situatuion than that, but that is not the issue here.
Remembering that this was a training situation , I got called to see my Director as a complaint had been made about my comment. I explained what had been said to him, who then said if I spoke to the person concerned that they would leave it there and no further action would be taken, and this was just the sort of thing we were being trained about.
So I apoligised to the girl concerned who ranted and raved at me about "How she could not belive how my Dad could had said such a thing and that I had been brought up around people who could think such things"
She went on about how upset she was that people really thought these things in the past , (35 years ago), also that I should apologise to everyone who was at the seminar.
So of course I was devestated that I had upset this girl so much that she had taken it to the big boss with out once leting me know I had upset her, as that was not my intention at all,
I sent an apology to all concerned for any real or imagined slight I had made.
Later that afternoon I was struck by the fact I was apoligising for something my Dad had said years ago and thought why the hell did I have to do that.
I never once insulted the Irish or said I didn't like them but what the hell I was still in the wrong.
There is no freedom of speech in Jersey anymore, the world has gone bloody mad.
Never belive anyone who says whats said in the room stays in the room, its all a load of crap.
Thanks for letting me moan as I was really cheesed of about the whole situation as how easily something could be blown out of all proportion
PS If I have said anything offensive to anyone I apoligise.
Just getting in the habit for the future
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #1 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:04pm » |
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All you were doing was reporting the news as it happened.
You should have told her to sot off.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #2 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:07pm » |
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Yeah but that is were my world has gone bloody crazy, if I had done that I would now be unemployed
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #3 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:07pm » |
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Welcome to the world of political correctness. Soon all of our thoughts will be programmed.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #4 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:09pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 3:07pm, thomas wrote:| Welcome to the world of political correctness. Soon all of our thoughts will be programmed. |
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I don't like this world its shitty
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:25pm » |
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You should have told the bitch that you are offended that she is so bloody sensitive as to what someone she has never met said 35 years ago and she should go and get a life!
You had no reason to appologize to her or anyone else for what was said by a stranger to them. As long as you don't condone and further the thoughts your father had that long ago, you are just stating what someone else said.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #6 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:29pm » |
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In America, I'm still apologizing for:
1: Slavery...neither I nor any relative or friend of mine ever owned slaves but I am white and still apologizing.
2: The native americans. Yes the same ones making billions off of the gambling monopolies they have. I must continually apologize for living in America because someone, some where took their ancestors land LOOOONG before I was a gleam in my daddy's eye.
3: For the fact that I am succesful. In America if you are succcesful, and worse yet a republican, you spend your whole life apologizing to to the people you are supporting on welfare, for being succesful.
I could go on but you get the point. In society, to be noticed, you have to cry that you are a victim. That's all that young lady was doing. She is part of the new wave of young people who go through life looking for some offense, real or imagined, that they can file a grievance against and somehow be a "wronged" party.
The fact that you caught so much flak for a quote from your father....that leaves even me speechless!!! I leave you with this!
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #7 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:41pm » |
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Ooof - sorry you got crunched.
I think Jim Bergerac should be called in. He's the only one who could straighten out this big mess on a little island.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #8 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 3:43pm » |
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Times like that I go into the woods and sit under a tree.
Gives the situation a whole new perspective. 
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #9 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 4:03pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 3:29pm, Guiseppi wrote:
Anyone else here think Guiseppi is starting to sound an awful lot like his Dad  Atta boy Guiseppi!
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #10 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 4:09pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 4:03pm, DennisM1045 wrote:
Anyone else here think Guiseppi is starting to sound an awful lot like his Dad Atta boy Guiseppi!
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He's probably starting to look like him, too.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #11 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 4:15pm » |
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Thanks everyone
I feel so much better, I just came of the phone to my no 1 daughter who is studying for the Bar and full of the legal rights and wrongs, and she agreed that I really hadn't done anything wrong.
Guiseppi
Your post is so true,
I could go on but you get the point. In society, to be noticed, you have to cry that you are a victim. That's all that young lady was doing. She is part of the new wave of young people who go through life looking for some offense, real or imagined, that they can file a grievance against and somehow be a "wronged" party.
Monty
I am looking but can't seem to find Jim Bergerac, maybe he drove of into the sunset in his little red car and fell of the end of our little Island
Paul
If I had said that it would have made me look more gulity, but I can and will think what you said.
don't you find you are always more suspicious of anyone who starts to make excuses,
Melissa
Its too dark and cold to find a tree, but you all have made me see it is not so bad which gives the situation a whole new perspective
Thank you all
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #12 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 5:12pm » |
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He's probably starting to look like him, too.
If that wasn't so spot on I'd probably take offense! 
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #13 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 5:41pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 3:00pm, mummymac wrote:
Remembering that this was a training situation , I got called to see my Director as a complaint had been made about my comment. I explained what had been said to him, who then said if I spoke to the person concerned that they would leave it there and no further action would be taken, and this was just the sort of thing we were being trained about.
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Sorry to hear you were put through such hassles just for mentioning an opinion 35 years old ! That is just ridiculous.
I was wondering whether you asked the Director exactly what "offense" you had committed by doing so, and what "further action" would be taken if you refused to apologise?
It sounded to me that it was just a personal conflict. More than likely the girl didnt like you already and just seized the opportunity to cause you trouble. Since it was personal conflict it should be handled at the personal level. I would have asked for a chance to meet the girl to discuss it face to face, with the Director present if necessary.
I would quiz her that apart from her finding the content of the comment offending to herself, was there anything else wrong with my conduct. The fact she didnt like what was said and the fact you simply repeated the comment were two completely different things. If she didnt like how your dad thought then she could go complain to him. If she didnt like hearing it from you then its tough luck, its not a legal offense to simply repeat someones saying, you werent speaking to her directly. Can you complain that someone is swearing at large and you just happen to be close enough to hear it ? Can you ask for an apology if it wasnt directed at you ?
Furthermore I would refuse to send a blanket apology to anyone else. I would ask if anyone else had problem with the incidence to come see me directly to discuss the matter.
It seems you were determined " guilty " without so much a chance to defend yourself and you "admitted" to the "crime" too quickly and readily.
I always believe in having the opportunity to defend myself, and its much better done face to face at a personal level. Most often people chicken out of doing so.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #14 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:36pm » |
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Send this to the whiney bitch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdaM8mxEBtY
Whaambulance has 2 A's Groov.  Sheesh 
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #15 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:37pm » |
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Pathetic indeed !!!
Oh boo hoo, I am such a victim...everyone feel sorry for me. Maybe you should call her a
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #17 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:42pm » |
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Okay, how did my reply to your post end up above your post, dude? That's just freaky.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 9:42pm, Gator wrote:| Okay, how did my reply to your post end up above your post, dude? That's just freaky. |
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Someone must have gotten offended at your reply and complained to management , and it was held back to check for political correctness !
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 9:42pm, Gator wrote:| Okay, how did my reply to your post end up above your post, dude? That's just freaky. |
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Hmmmm.
How did the chicken get to the other side of the road before he crossed the road to the other side?
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
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I just want someone to give me a list of the words I'm NOT supposed to use and then go on their way.
I hate this contextual bs and having to consider a thought from the "perennially offended's" perspective before expressing it.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 9:42pm, Gator wrote:| Okay, how did my reply to your post end up above your post, dude? That's just freaky. |
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I fixed the word whaambulance Gator. In doing so, I tried to do some things with the html...you know colors etc. I deleted it so it would look good, but it didnt work out anyways. Nothin' to it really.
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 9:47pm, Annette wrote:
Someone must have gotten offended at your reply and complained to management , and it was held back to check for political correctness ! |
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Yes, Gator offended me...in turn, my neighbor Bob was offended that I was offended.
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Hmmmm.
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I think it had something to do with peanut butter...
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Re: What is freedoom of speech?
« Reply #24 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 10:09pm » |
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Political correctness wastes time......lots of it and is boring as hell.
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