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Do you work hard for your pay?
« on: Feb 4th, 2008, 6:52pm » |
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Get ready to have some of it taken away from you, and you will not have a damn thing to say about it!
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 6:52pm, Jonny wrote:| Get ready to have some of it taken away from you, and you will not have a damn thing to say about it!!! |
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I self pay 20K now, and I'm thankful.
Massachusetts already has mandatory health ins. in place.
To make it short, if your employer employs more than 6? employees, he's required to provide you with "basic" health ins.
His penalty for non compliance is $250.00 per employee per year.
You do the math.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 7:32pm » |
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I don't understand?
Take the candidate out of the equation, whats wrong with having health ins.?
It sucks not to have it, been there done that.
It costs money no matter how you do it.
I pay 20K. Colins surgery and his hospital stay was 325K. And to make matters worse, it failed. And they'll pay again the hospital said, its just going to take some time unless its an emergency.
I don't know folks, no health care would be a disaster for me. I need it, no buts about it.
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Re: Do you work hard for your pay?
« Reply #4 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 7:38pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 7:32pm, Sean_C wrote:
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You have a choice to pay or not pay, bro....with Hilliary you are going to jail if you dont pay!
See what I mean?
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 7:53pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 7:38pm, Jonny wrote:
You have a choice to pay or not pay, bro....with Hilliary you are going to jail if you dont pay!
See what I mean?
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I know what your saying, believe me I do. However, the choice for me and you is pay or don't pay, for others its, if you can't afford to pay, then get into the welfare troth.
And I'm not talking people who make little wages. A union laborer who makes close to 30.00 per hour in his check, has to have 1000 hours in 2 consequetive quarters to be eligable for health ins. for the next 2 consequetive quarters. If you don't make the hours, no health ins. And the union doesn't give you the money back that you put in for it to get your own privately.
If she ever threw anyone in jail for not providing, or having healthcare, I personally will start the revolution dude 
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:04pm » |
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Let her win the primary for the Dems and her statement will be her Willy Horton moment. All the GOP would have to do is make a plethora of adds and she would go down in smoke.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:09pm » |
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And we already pay for those on welfare, now we will get to pay for everybody thats not on welfare and do not have ins.
Watch the video again and tell me what the sixth word out of her mouth is.....do it!
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:24pm » |
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If that is your only worry jonny fear not... they tried to do it when Bill was in there and it didnt go through. I think we need it though, but I can see your point you would rather chose to have it or not... When you need it, its great to have it there though.
All I know is we need a change here in this country...
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 8:24pm, Ree wrote:they tried to do it when Bill was in there
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Hillary is more of the same.......I dont see no change in that, do you?
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:35pm » |
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unfreakinbelievable.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:46pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 8:09pm, Jonny wrote:
And we already pay for those on welfare, now we will get to pay for everybody thats not on welfare and do not have ins.
Watch the video again and tell me what the sixth word out of her mouth is.....do it! |
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Dude please, me and you are already living it.
Massachusetts makes health insurance mandatory
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Re: Do you work hard for your pay?
« Reply #12 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 9:06pm » |
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"There are questions about how costs will be controlled, considering that the state will not regulate the increase of premiums."
Thats key, Hilliary is going to TELL you how much to pay and your going to jail if you dont.
Not to mention that you will only be allowed to see docs that Hilliary says you can see!
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 9:06pm, Jonny wrote:"There are questions about how costs will be controlled, considering that the state will not regulate the increase of premiums."
Thats key, Hilliary is going to TELL you how much to pay and your going to jail if you dont.
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My premium went up 200 dollars per month. And yes, it was alot to me. Along with gas price increases etc etc.
Give me her no health ins. jail link. Make it quick, I'm off to bed in a half hour, and if its true, I will personally hold a Hillary sucks sign at the polls tomorrow.
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 9:15pm, Sean_C wrote:Give me her no health ins. jail link. Make it quick, I'm off to bed in a half hour, and if its true, I will personally hold a Hillary sucks sign at the polls tomorrow.
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Like I said, go back to the video and listen to the sixth word out of her mouth!
Also, do you know what "Wage garnishment" means?
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 9:42pm » |
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Nevertheless; all you have to do is take a look at the people that scream the loudest at socialized medicine: It's always from evil HMOs, bottom feeding drug companies and others that will have to play ball with the rest of us. Not much cash in that as medical costs will fall greatly, not rise with national insurance. It has everywhere else and remains high quality, no matter the lies from Rudy Guilanni on the subject.
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on Feb 4th, 2008, 9:42pm, Charlie wrote:| Not much cash in that as medical costs will fall greatly, not rise with national insurance. It has everywhere else and remains high quality |
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I guess thats why there are endless stories of people coming to the states from Canada for operations.....because they would die before being seen in their own country.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 9:53pm » |
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Check this out Jonny:
Am I missing something here !?!?!?
I took her statements to say that if I am employed somewhere, I will be forced by the State to carry insurance. If I decide not to carry health insurance, my wages will be stolen by the State.
Is this correct???
First of all, health insurance, even for my company who has the benefit of a group plan, is VERY expensive. I pay $35 a week and my company picks up something like $100 a week.
Maybe I could not afford $135 a week for insurance. She claims to make it "affordable"
Now how will she do this !?!?!?! Where does she have the right to tell insurance companies to carry people for half (or whatever) of the normal premium???
Does she expect she has the legal right to "force" all companies to instead provide the difference !?!?!?
Her last "plan" went down in flames, why would this one be any different !?!?!?
Having ACTUALLY OWNED AND OPERATED one for many years, I know that MANY small businesses do not make the kind of money to provide like my company does.
What does she expect them to do ? Run a company that makes no money just to provide insurance for it's employees?
Small businesses employ as many people as bigger companies. Many simply cannot afford it. That is FACT, not some greedy owner talking. I KNOW, my business was great as a side line for me, but I still had to work for a larger company to get the benefits my small business just couldnt afford.
I just don't see what makes her think her "enFORCEment" ideas are Constitutional.
Her "I know better than you" attitude is why so many people find her abhorrent.
Universal health care by itself could easily be Constitutional if that is what the majority wanted.
If that is what she wants, then maybe she should propose plans that are logical and appear to work.... NOT tell people she is going to tell them what to do.
Americans DO NOT like being pushed around. We DO like straight talk and sincere solutions.
I don't like her or her attitude.
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Those endless stories are much rarer than is usually admitted and an awful lot of these are simply recycled over and over by.....insurance and drug companies...for.....perhaps political purposes? Nah...that couldn't be! 
Also, in virtually every instance when Canadians are asked if they would give up they're system for ours, 99% or more say no.
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Health care reform is needed in this country, I'm picking up the tab for those who could afford it, but refuse to obtain it, then request treatment. Thats the bottom line.
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We do need a solution Sean, I agree. As for those who could afford it? It would be foolish to not have it if they could afford it. If they have money and receive treatment for which they dont pay for...they will get sued and the money will be collected. That is unless someone with money and good credit would throw it away by filing bankruptcy.
It's even reasonable to say that funding the dumbass war will cost more than insurance for everyone in the whole country times 4...I believe it !!!
It always comes back to the same arguments of if it is or isnt a good idea.
Cheap insurance for everyone (a fiscal impossibility) wow, I'd love it. 50 bucks a month and I'm gold !!! awesome!!!
Here is what I want: no more stupid arguments about good or bad. Show me proof positive on a plan that works. That simple...yet NOONE can seem to do so.
It is not reasonable to compare Canada with our country. They have a different system that may or may not work under our system of Govt. I dunno, but no one has given any comprehensive plan yet to prove it either way....so it's a pointless argument.
Show me a plan that doesn't rape a business and force them to give up THEIR own money. A plan that is paid by everyone and each person pulls their own weight.
So far, I've seen absolutely NO logistics, no plan, no fiscal plan as to how we would make health care cut itself in 6ths...cause that is what it would take.
For instance, say I work for a place that is small and cant afford to subsidize me like my current company can.
It would cost me maybe $600 a month at my age and single status. Now, show me a plan that magically makes insurance premiums go down to $140 a month (what I am currently paying)
If not, why would I even entertain the idea???? What good would it do me to pay more? I don't owe anyone anything. I pull my own weight. The day may come where I lose mine and am damn unhappy about it...hope not. But the day will never come when I demand others pay my way.
So, heres the challenge to the politicians who want to implement universal health care: How you gonna do it?
Ok, how about the taxes/ Govt. provided angle? Well, I would have to pay in an additional $5,500 in Federal taxes to make up the difference at the current cost of my insurance. That would be insane, most could never afford that.
For that angle to work, the Gooberment would have to magically make health insurance go down from about $7,200 a year to $1,680 a year. I am using the figures that
my company & I pay currently. Also, remembering I am talking about someone who doesn't have the benefit of company subsidized insurance.
What would we do? Just throw it on the National deficit like we do everything else these days? Pay Doctors 5 bucks an hour? disallow protection against mal-practice?
Where would these great savings come from?
See, thats my problem with the idea. Even though I like the idea, no one has come up with a solution...only endless banter.
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Gotta love it.
2 minute clips from sites like live leak and youtube are used to influence peoples judgements.
No wonder we are systemically fucked.
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Politicians can’t even run an effective government.
They are corrupt, and take money from special interest groups.
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Communism is a great idea, it is truly Christianity at its very best. Everybody pitching in to help everyone else. It's a great concept and would definitely display the greatest traits of humanity, compassion, generosity, caring......problem is, everywhere it's been tried, it has failed, miserably. The greedy always step in and corrupt it.
Capitalism, greed, is the only system that works. People need to believe the harder they work, the more they can accomplish for themselves and their families. Using THAT system, we have created the greatest country in the world. Using that heartless, greedy system, we have created a country that does more charitable good then all the other countries combined. No one feeds as many poverty stricken people as we do, no one responds faster to global calamities then we do, and no one accomplishes more at these calamaties then we do.
Socialized medicine doesn't work. Put a lid on how much someone can earn, (socialized medicine does that), and your great minds turn elsewhere for a career. Find me a country where socialized medecine works, and I'll be more willing to look at it with an open mind. I know too many neighbors to the North, Canada, who come here for their medical care to avoid the 6 month waits, and then return home for the free prescriptions.
Free medical care for all sounds great. The fact that IT DOESN'T WORK ANYWHERE ITS BEEN TRIED concerns me. And that's about as political as I'll ever get!!!!
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I would be happy to find a site that would objectively compare all the damn plan side by side. Show what each offers compared to the other and what the pros and cons are. I'm tired of listening to all the RAH RAH by each of the candidates and all that is Rosy in their plans and all the wonderful f'ing things they are going to do for the country and the world and not want it will actually means to me. "I'm the only one that is doing this." "Or I'm the only one who is ready Day 1" BLAH BLAH BLAH. F'ck, why dont they realize that over half the county does nt understand what the hell they are saying and even the people who are savy enough to get around the political jargon and BS that it is still hard to find the truth in all the crap that flys out of their mouths. I dont want to hear Ted Kennedy tell me that Obama's plan is the best. And then Hilary doing the same. What are the differences between the plans. What are their points, what are they missing? That if one of them actually gave an honest account of what they want to do and gave an actually factual account and breakdown of what they want and how it will effect a person or family, they would probably get elected just because the average American would understand them.
I hate the fact that Voting for the President is more along the lines of voting for the lesser of the 2 evils.
Rather then voting for who will do the best for the Country. We are voting for who we think will not F*ck it up the worse. 
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