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Al Gore might be right...
« on: Jan 8th, 2008, 7:21am » |
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Thursday's high was 17 degrees.................Today's projected high--------68 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #1 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 7:28am » |
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If Algore can please tell me what the perfect temperature of earth should be, then I can plan ahead - should I pack a sweater, trunks, a light windbreaker? In the mean time, enjoy the little blast of warmth while it lasts. It's brought to you by (fill in the blank - somebody bigger than Algore). 
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 7:34am » |
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that would be the temp it was the minute before man exhaled his first breath of CO2.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 7:43am » |
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Or the first cow fart.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 8:22am » |
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AlGore is a cow fart 
He should study history and learn that Greenland used to be colonized by the Nords in AD 985 when the seas were open and you could grow crops there. In fact the temps there are ~1 deg. C. cooler now than they were in 1940.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #5 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 8:26am » |
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Global climate change was a natural occurance long before the industrial revolution.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #6 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 8:28am » |
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on Jan 8th, 2008, 8:22am, Paul98 wrote:AlGore is a cow fart
He should study history and learn that Greenland used to be colonized by the Nords in AD 985 when the seas were open and you could grow crops there. In fact the temps there are ~1 deg. C. cooler now than they were in 1940.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #7 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 8:34am » |
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I thought you meant that he was right , he did invent the internet............... Everyone can get something right sometime .... I just have not credited him with being right on much . Noble Prize ????? Take it back........ 
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #8 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 9:40am » |
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on Jan 8th, 2008, 8:22am, Paul98 wrote:| Greenland used to be colonized by the Nords in AD 985... |
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They did land there in a short-lived Medieval Warm Period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record
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It does look close for one year, within an existing trend.
http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/IceAgeBook/history_of_climate.html
I'd imagine info may have been from this article, which also says Iceland was ice-locked just previous to landing on Greenland.
Quote:The sagas tell that Norse voyagers were blown off course and reached Iceland by mistake twice in the 850s. The first attempt at a Norse settlement there, led by a farmer, Floki Vilgerdason, took place in the 860s. He could scarcely have picked a worse time. As we now know from the record in the ice cores, Floki's band of adventurous farmers arrived in the lands of the North Atlantic at the end of a run of cold decades in the middle of the little optimum. He lost his cattle in a severe winter, and came home to Scandinavia with tales of 'a fjord filled up by ice', as the Landnam Saga records. And so, the saga continues, 'he called the country Iceland'.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12517003.900-climate-and-history-- the-westvikings-saga-greenland-wasonce-g... |
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From Industrial Revolution to today. CO2 ppm from 250 to 385, the same time as the black line on the first graph. 450ppm will be kind of a crucial point to stop at.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #10 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 10:21am » |
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Whenever it gets hot in the summer, there are knuckleheads that see that as proof of global warming. And whenever it gets cold in winter, other knuckleheads see it as proof that there is no global warming.
We are in a la nina pattern - happens about every 7 years or so. The last la nina was not very strong. So Canada and parts of the north US are having the coldest winter in 15 years. Which proves - nothing!
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #11 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 10:24am » |
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on Jan 8th, 2008, 10:11am, Paul98 wrote:A bit long but a good read:
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It is Paul, but any near-term warming will simply be precipritated back onto the surface of Greenland for many years appearing as no change. Above 450ppm and going to 500ppm will see that altered.
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on Jan 8th, 2008, 10:24am, Kevin_M wrote:
It is Paul, but any near-term warming will simply be precipritated back onto the surface of Greenland for many years appearing as no change. Above 450ppm and going to 500ppm will see that altered. |
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Do you have a refrence for the ppm for the CO2?
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #13 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 10:53am » |
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Yes, Paul. But a book reference, stats are kept from atop a Hawaiian mountain.
Presently going to the dentist then work. I'll see what I can reprint for you from notes.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #14 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 12:33pm » |
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Out the door to work but a brief capture here. I see from the top of my head the 250ppm from Industrial Revolution is different than quoted here, my recall error, and the 385 was as close to present day 2007 relevance as could recall. 450ppm starts to reflect a point to highly reduce and attempt to reverse. A difficult task.
Quote:Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the concentrations of many of the greenhouse gases have increased. The concentration of CO2 has increased by about 100 ppm (i.e., from 280 ppm to 380 ppm). The first 50 ppm increase took place in about 200 years, from the start of the Industrial Revolution to around 1973; the next 50 ppm increase took place in about 33 years, from 1973 to 2006.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #16 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 4:11pm » |
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on Jan 8th, 2008, 8:26am, Redd wrote:Global climate change was a natural occurance long before the industrial revolution.
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Just not quite as fast or as extreme.
There are still arguments on both sides in the scientific community as to how serious is the change, but there is no denying that change is happening at a faster rate than mother earth can compensate.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 4:23pm » |
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on Jan 8th, 2008, 4:11pm, Annette wrote:
Just not quite as fast or as extreme.
There are still arguments on both sides in the scientific community as to how serious is the change, but there is no denying that change is happening at a faster rate than mother earth can compensate.
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How do you know this as fact?
When the Verdian and Precambrian mass extinctions occured, it would seem Mother nature did a nifty job of things.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #18 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 4:48pm » |
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Just wait until the government decides to start controlling your thermostat.
All because a small group of nincompoops have been able to scare the masses into thinking that mankind has had some dramatic effect on the global mean temperature. It's called political expediency, folks, and it's as evil as trying to meld church and state into one body. "We need to put ________ first (take your pick: Algore says Mother Earth, the Huckster says God, etc.)."
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 4:49pm » |
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I was going by the information given in the movie " An unconvenient truth " about carbon level found in the columns of ice in Antartica, ice core reading as they call it.
Apparently if you cut into a column of ice there it would show you different layers of ice that had formed and melted over the last several milllions of years, much like the tree rings that tell you about the growth of that particular tree during its lifetime.
By measuring carbon level and other chemicals in those column the scientists could calculate when was the last Ice Age and the several ones before that. Within an Ice age there are glacial and interglacial periods depending on the average temperature. We are now currently in an interglacial period where the temperature is warmer.
According to the patterns seen in the ice core, the next glacial period should not start for another 50000 years or so, if carbon level in the atmostphere was the same as before industrial revolution. However, according to the rapid raise in level of carbon produced by men, it ( in theory ) could start a lot earlier than that. This is where the biggest debates come in, some say it can start as early as 50 years and others would say more like 5000 years.
The truth is, even if it is to start 5000 years from now and that means it wont affect any of us or even our great great grandchildren, in the scale of mother earth, 5000 years is a lot shorter than 50000 years.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 5:15pm » |
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Don't even get me started on Al Gore... 
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 5:29pm » |
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I'm getting Mel started on Al Gore:
Al Gore is a poophead
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 5:32pm » |
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And don't even get me started on Huckabee....
Or Algore....
Or McCain....
Or Hillary....
Or.....
Don't get me started. Don't even get me started.
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Re: Al Gore might be right...
« Reply #24 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 5:44pm » |
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Brewcrew - that's what i call a poop pile-up 
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