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Has anyone ever noticed a correlation between MSG and cluster severity?
I recently had a 24 hour bout of constant up down cluster attacks and found the next day that something I ate was loaded with MSG. It is just another thing to add to my list of aggravating substances like beer, cola, and strawberries. Then two days later I’m back to my usual 5-7 PM window thank GOD! I just can’t do the drugs and don’t want to start up on that crappy road again. Any comments on the MSG or other chemical additives will be appreciated. I think I am starting to become allergic to many things that never bothered me before. I really miss my beloved BEER but found vodka and rum don’t aggravate my CH, it now seems it’s what I mix with my alcohol i.e. cola. I get slammed before I can even drink a third of a can of beer or cola. So I just drink a lot more water and it helps.
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravatie CH?
« Reply #1 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 11:26am » |
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I can't eat Chinese food any more either. I noticed the MSG link about two years ago. 
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravatie CH?
« Reply #2 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 11:28am » |
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I think there MAY be a link to MSG, but its not something I could be 100% on.
Ive noticed that when in cycle my hits are slightly worse if my diet is poor ( processed food, takeaways etc). But most of these foods are low in nutritional value, so its just easier to eat a healthy balanced diet all year through.
Now wheres the closest McDonalds.... 
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravatie CH?
« Reply #3 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 11:30am » |
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Howzit Roland
I have also found a strong link between the type of beer and the reaction. I can drink Stout (Guiness) no problem, and the purer beers such as Windhoek (Local beer proclaiming to be preservative free). but let me touch one of the more popular "mass produced" brands and I'm a gonner after 2 pints. I don't know exactly what it is but I suspect its something they put in to speed up the fermentation process. I'm also ok with whisky and water and, my favourite when I'm worried about a hit, Vodka and Redbull.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 11:31am » |
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MSG is usually not a factor in CH. The hits will still continue.
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #5 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 11:34am » |
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Alcohol is a complete no no for me when in cycle.
Guaranteed a very vicious visit from the beast 
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MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #6 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 11:52am » |
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I am chronic so there’s no in or out of cycle for me. The only difference is how often and the severity of the attacks. Being that I get hit so regularly I have gotten to know my triggers well.
I also think there’s something in the beer or process of brewing that causes the CH aggravation in me personally. As we all know everyone is different in our triggers.
I am more concerned in the MSG issue because it’s a lot harder to know what is in the food I eat on the run. I must take much more care to read the ingredients on packaging.
PF wishes to all!
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 5:59pm » |
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I had some bad hits after beer and after chinese food during the last cycle. I tried to deny the beer thing several times, unsuccessfully. But the beer test is a good way to find out the cycle is truly over. While in cycle, its something I can look forward to.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 1st, 2007, 8:54pm » |
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I never noticed the MSG thing,yet I don't eat that much Chinese food.But the beer or any alcohol for that matter is a no no for me.Boy I wish I could have a cold one again.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 9:00am » |
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Several people have had reactions to MSG (Beer is a widely known trigger for bunches of us). I had a reaction to MSG one time, but not since. Didn't relate it till later but have eaten Chinese food ever since with nada reaction.
Beer I stayed away from for 12 years and then drank one and nothing -- I just don't drink one often, but so far haven't had a headache when I do (I'm chronic). Weird, but.... who knows with these things.
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #10 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:29pm » |
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Hi Roland
I have been eposodic since age 22, i'm 43 now. A year and a half ago I was in Mexico at an all inclusive,(prior to that I was pain free for over a year) After day 3 of REALLY getting into the free beer and food the beast found me. Needless to say I had to watch my buddy drink for the rest of the trip.
I'm now thinking that the food was the trigger, I also got really ill and was unable to eat anthing. That kind of expains why I never got hit again really hard. I had the shadows, but no attack.
I had planned to go again this fall to make up for a wasted, ruined trip, but now I have to re think about not going to an all inclusive.. I learn somthing new every day on this site,, Cheers
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #11 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:37pm » |
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nope.
only trigger I have is annoying people
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 8:02pm » |
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"only trigger I have is annoying people"
You're triggered when you are annoying people?
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #13 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 9:42pm » |
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on Jul 2nd, 2007, 8:02pm, GrandPotentate wrote: "only trigger I have is annoying people"
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You just set one off.
Thanks! 
Anyway,
If you not only read the research but read through thousands of posts, you will see that it is rare that CH'ers have true triggers by definition other than nitroglycerine, alcohol, relaxation (sleep), overexertion to name a few.
There are some who report being triggered by flickering lights, food additives and some other random things.
Do you keep a headache chart?
There is definitely a difference between having things aggrivated and having an attack triggered.
Best of luck
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #14 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:32pm » |
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on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:34am, Shedz wrote:Alcohol is a complete no no for me when in cycle.
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Me too! I'm in the wine biz, so alcohol is a normal part of my life - OUT of cycle. When I'm IN cycle, I can't even taste and spit, the tiny, tiny amount absorped through the mouth is enough to bring on a day-hit, which is something I almost NEVER get any more.
I wish I were one of those that could do a whickey and water while the Beast is a knocking.
I have noticed that the intensity of the hits after Chinese Food/MSG is increased, but not the numbers of hits. That remains constant.
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:18pm » |
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"Even to the one who attempted a dig."
Sorry, but I couldn't pass up on a double entendre from the double-e.
But seriously:
One other weird thing I've noticed myself, and from other posts, is that triggers seem to change during a cycle. The chart is an excellent idea. But it seems that the triggers are complicated - perhaps a combination of things. My cycle is usually over before I figure it out, but each cycle I get a bit smarter. And if you're talkin' Chinese food, who knows what's in it?
I had Chinese early in the last cycle, a rare nice night out with no problem. I had Chinese 2 weeks later and got clobbered. Hard. Beer didn't bother the beast early, but later was a one-hour time bomb. Go figure.
Of course, I also had them with no beer and with no Chinese.
Between cycles, no problem. I even spent a couple weeks in China last year, ate their food, drank their beer.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 8:19pm » |
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MSG doesn't bother my CH. It's a good thing because I probably eat way too much of it. Actually, most people probably eat more of it than they realize:
These things contain (or are) MSG:
glutamate
glutamic acid
gelatin
monosodium glutamate
calcium caseinate
textured protein
monopotassium glutamate
sodium caseinate
yeast nutrient
yeast extract
yeast food
autolyzed yeast
hydrolyzed protein
hydrolyzed corn gluten
These things often contain MSG:
textured protein
carrageenan
vegetable gum
seasonings
spices
flavorings
natural flavorings
chicken flavoring
beef flavoring
pork flavoring
smoke flavoring
bouillon
broth
stock
barley malt
malt extract
malt flavoring
whey protein
whey protein isolate
whey protein concentrate
soy protein
soy protein isolate
soy protein concentrate
soy sauce
soy extract
Also, MSG can be a natural vegetable by-product. For example, as a tomato ripens, the level of glutamate rises. Glutamate can also be the by-product of a fermentation process such as with aged cheese. The body processes artificial MSG and natural glutamates in the same way.
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravate CH?
« Reply #17 on: Jul 5th, 2007, 5:19am » |
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Steve, Thank you for the list.
Excellent stuff from all of you. I gave up ALL alcohol about 15 years ago because the risk / reward ratio went the other way. All booze was a trigger. I was getting hammered ( funny how the same words are also applied to drinking) by CH for 6-8 months cycles.
MSG, in Chinese food, anyway, is a definite explosive in- cycle... may or not be a trigger.
I just finished 3rd O2 hook in 6 hours. It is working well but I am using 4 tanks in 7 days.
Doing not too badly in week #2..... 
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 5:14am » |
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Hmmmmm. Chinese food... I do believe you've just pointed out a trigger that I never really thought about...I got a severe hiding after Chinese last week...
*crosses Chinese food off his list
Does anyone have cravings? I am fruit salad mad at the moment; I feel the need to eat cool, astringent, fresh, light stuff... Its like a compulsion. Weird.
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 6:00am » |
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Buzz I get like that but I don't think its CH related as just a general thing. I go through periods where I obsess with some foods and like you its usually salads or fruit (or tomatoes but that is a long term obsession LOL)
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 8:12am » |
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I would not mind winning the lottery myself...
Seriously, I've got persistent shadows after eating Chinese food twice, but I've been fine many occasions after that. But I made that connection myself, but I kinda wish the beast would stay consistent; if some are off menu, they could stay that way...
My body seems to love carrots. I've been craving them for years now! 
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 9:06am » |
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Never in 40 years can I ever remember a CH being triggered by alcohol.
Unfortunately that doesn't really help me, because I rarely drink anymore.
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MSG has never been a problem for me, but any kind of alcohol, yes. People in my town have been talking of having me tried for treason because I do not drink beer anymore! We take our beer drinking VERY seriously-not to mention our Schnapps drinking, so I won't mention it. 
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Re: MSG Trigger or Aggravatie CH?
« Reply #23 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 11:58am » |
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on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:26am, DennisM1045 wrote:| I can't eat Chinese food any more either. I noticed the MSG link about two years ago. |
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YES.... Make a conscientious effort to stay away from MSG's. Eat only natural foods. It is very hard to do.
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 6:54pm » |
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My cycle seems to be over, and this thread made me really hungry for Chinese. I'll let you know how it works out.
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