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Enlightening viewpoint
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I watched this video in its entirety at the first sitting.  (Small pause for O2 fix) It shook my world. It is presented as researched and documented information contained in this video.
This is a pretty graphic video with gore, coarse language, and shocking information. IMO is not suitable for children but they also should be informed of this as it concerns everyone.
It's a streaming flash movie and most people can watch it online. If you have a slow connection here is what you do.
Press play in the flash window(I am assuming most people have flash installed). Than press pause and the movie will continue to download and the grey bar indicates how much of the movie has been saved to your tempoary internet files.You can press play at anytime in the video to watch the buffered info but it is probably better to wait so you can watch it all at once.
watch the video here:
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Please leave your comment/intellectual conversation starter here after you have watched the vid.Thanks!
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #1 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 9:39am » |
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I disagree with it being enlightening. It's dualistic, it's simplistic, it's too explicit to be considered art and it just hands you someone elses answers exactly like religion does. It talks about finding the truth for yourself and then it tells you what the truth is. It's just propoganda for another dogma. IMHO.
It's easy to blame religion for our aggressive behavior as human beings. It's easy to blame any institution because they are all just groups of us hairless monkeys grooming each other and occasionally throwing stones from the trees. But even more, if they think they can point their finger at any one thing and say this is religion, they are deluded.
Of course, we are also more than hairless monkeys an it's true the stones are scary big these days. So if we as humanity could reach the enlightened point of view that sees the simple connection between the throwing of stones and the real short and long term consequences (as shown in the footage of that movie) that would be a great start. Right now on some level of our being, we think it's a necessary part of our existence- that's why we do it.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #2 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:11am » |
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My opinion is that if we are going to get maximum traction in a light-bodied car, we must use a 4 link suspension with a positraction or Detroit locker rear axle.
This combination is drag race proven and anyone who thinks using lawn mower tires and a Ford Pinto rear differential is ignorant of the science of drag racing physics.
However, I am tolerant of others opinions as it relates to what pizza toppings are best.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #3 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:13am » |
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Vegetable is a term which generally refers to an edible part of a plant. The definition is traditional rather than scientific and is somewhat arbitrary and subjective. All parts of herbaceous plants eaten as food by humans, whole or in part, are normally considered vegetables. Mushrooms, though belonging to the biological kingdom Fungi, are also commonly considered vegetables. In general, vegetables are thought of as being savory, and not sweet, although there are many exceptions. Nuts, grains, herbs, spices and culinary fruits (see below) are normally not considered vegetables.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #4 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:29am » |
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Now you see Jonny, I have a very different...more "enlightened" understanding of mushrooms....but I dont want to start a food fight here 
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:38am » |
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Ahhhh shrooms.....the good old days....LOL 
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:45am » |
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #8 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:49am » |
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Turning off the unnecessary annoying dialogue of the video and timely starting of this far more enlightening and amazing soundtrack makes it a trip back to revisit a more real sounding substance that shook the world coming through in neon surreality.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #9 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 10:50am » |
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- is that not what religion is? God vs.Devil - Good vs. evil, light vs. dark, etc. This is where the divide and conquer theory begins its works, is it not? The incremental segregation of people from each other based on propagandised ideas that divide us. They use these tactics to get us arguing amongst ourselves and while we are occupied with Pro-life/pro-choice topics the big boys are passing bullshit legislation like Patriot Acts and invasion of your personal privacy based on more lies and bullshit. From what I see, the divide and conquer strategy is working well for them.
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Yes it is...when you consider that according to the video that "4.1 billion people believe in an all seeing being that watches over their lives" talk about mass propaganda...ask Rupert Murdoch about that. It's why I threw my TV out the door 8 years ago. At least on the internet you can choose your own propaganda and see what you choose to see.
It's a shame that people know more about what is going on in Brittney Spears life than what their own President is doing while they are glued to the tube.
Anyone heard of the SPP? Security and Prosperity Partnership between Canada, US and Mexico becoming a single entity(North American Union?) This requires the dissolution of the Candian, American, and Mexican constitutions which is partly the reason for the incremental dismantling of the US Bill of Rights thru the Patriot Act and other subversive legislations passed by Congress. Of course most people haven't heard of it because it is being done in SECRET!
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Agreed. It is not just one thing to be trying to nail down religion as being solely responsible for this mess. No, religion is merely one of the tools used for societal control. Another is control of the money. "Give me control over a nations money supply and I care not who makes its laws" Rothschild (Mega-banker family)
Another quote from the zeitgeist movie:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies....If the American people ever allow the private banks to control the issue of currency...the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent that their father's conquered."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
Here is a great president and visionary of the future because in the early to mid 1900's the private banks DID get control of the issuance of currency. And now children ARE waking up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered and continue to fight and die for to this very day.
I read Marks newspaper article and so you can see that Jeffersons call is on the bullseye. Here we have a family that is going homeless when it is absolutely unnecessary. The BUSH government is sending 100's of billions to Iraq for "development of infrastructure" when his own levees are breaking and his own people are going without food and shelter. 750,000 homeless American people is a sad commentary on the Bush governments list of priorities.
So what it really boils down to is control of the worlds people through the money supply. They know that if we stand together the people will be undefeatable so they use the divide and conquer method.
I found it somewhat amusing that you used the term "hairless apes" which is analogous to evolution in a somewhat religious type disussion that refutes evolutionary theory...hehehe...just an observation. 
Thanks for the reply John , did you watch the whole video?
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
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The turnip (Brassica rapa var. rapa) is a root vegetable commonly grown in temperate climates worldwide for its white, bulbous taproot. Small, tender, varieties are grown for human consumption, while larger varieties are grown as feed for livestock.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
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Interesting. Thank you for sharing this . I did watch the whole thing . Inspires thought rather than reaction ........ phil h
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
« Reply #12 on: Nov 4th, 2007, 11:15am » |
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Thanks Phil
That is what I was hoping for, and to get one positive comment out of this tuff audience makes it worth all the skeptism and negative feedback from those who would rather close their eyes, cover their ears and chant the la-la-la song so they don't have to hear what anyone else might have to say lest it burst their happy little bubble.
I think you can see it only inspires thought in those who watch it, and reaction from those whom do not.
Kudos to you Phil! 
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on Nov 4th, 2007, 11:15am, mikey-de wrote:
from those who would rather close their eyes, cover their ears and chant the la-la-la song so they don't have to hear what anyone else might have to say lest it burst their happy little bubble.
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They would be who? All that dont agree with you ?
Get over yourself.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
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I hear mule riding is a great high endurance sport - 'specially after all that hard work growing turnips
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If you play George Carlin albums backwards with a wind from the South West blowing you hear Satanic messages.
Of course only if you are within a ring of vegetables.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
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on Nov 4th, 2007, 10:55am, Jonny wrote:
Interesting point about turnips Jonny.
I was aghast when I read this:
"As one of the oldest and most widely eaten vegetables, turnips have traditionally played an important role as a storage vegetable. However, they have gained a reputation as being “common folk’s food” but are currently working hard to overcome that reputation."
Not wanting to sound like an "elitist"....I believe no vegetable platter is complete without our old friend the turnip wedge.
We at the American Turnip Society ARE working hard to dispel the horrible myths perpetrated by various pro-meat/ anti-vegetable groups !!!
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on Nov 4th, 2007, 11:26am, assaultme wrote:
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Dave, that was very interesting, thank you!
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
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I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. The humble potato would, in my opinion, be the most widely eaten vegtable. A whole country was almost lost, due to the great potato famine.
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Re: Enlightening viewpoint
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Pumpkins are members of the family cucurbitaceae which include the other vine crops; melons, cucumbers, and squash.
Having said that:
Canned “pumpkin” pie filling is often a type of squash and not really pumpkin at all. So, pumpkins are a useless vegetable.
This little pumpkin tidbit is a well kept secret. After 35 years of enlightened pumpkin research, I can safely say that all who do not subscribe to my point of view as it relates to pumpkins...are big stupid dummies....and probably Catholics.
Want more proof of the lengths people will go to besmearch the truth?
A man filed for divorce when learned that those "zucchini" pies his wife had been making him were actually made of pumpkin:
A Russian man immediately filed for divorce from his wife of 18 years after he discovered she had been making pies with pumpkins instead of zucchini.
"She knows I absolutely hate pumpkins and she lied to me for months," said Ivan Dimitrov, 47. "What else has she been lying about? What man could trust a woman who fed him pumpkins?" [NY Post]
She lied to him about slipping him pumpkin...what else would she lie about I ask!?!?
I agree, what man would trust a woman who feeds him pumpkins !?!?!?
I suspect she is a Southern Baptist.
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on Nov 4th, 2007, 11:55am, Linda_Howell wrote:
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Damn, this debate is getting lively !!!
Being of Irish descent, I can attest to the importance of the potato. My uncle Shane worked at the "Mr. potato head" factory in Cork Ireland when the potato famine hit.
People were starving and he subsequently lost his job because no one could get potatoes and the toy went the way of the Mattel goobeldy goop creature making hot plate.
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I'm being enlightened right now by eating fun size Hershey bars, M&M's, Milky Way & Twix.
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I guess someone has not been following this thread.
The debate is about whether we should have stayed with D.C. current or whether Teslas A.C. current was the right way to go.
Personally, I believe electricity is the work of the devil.
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on Nov 4th, 2007, 12:17pm, assaultme wrote:
I guess someone has not been following this thread.
The debate is about whether we should have stayed with D.C. current or whether Teslas A.C. current was the right way to go.
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Oh! Oops! Well, I am pro-LP & firewood! I think electricity is highly overrated and that it's corrupted our young people's minds to the point of anarchy.
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